News about Chad Daybell (and Lori Vallow)

[Silver Pie]

Anyone know what "number system" Chad Daybell got from LDSFF in 2016? Do those old threads still exist?
Starting at about 21:45.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2o27AfsDv4

From the video: ".. I know about that number system and how it came about. There was a discussion thread on LDS Freedom Forum on multiple probations back in about 2016. It's what first introduced me to the subject. They had an interesting number system that resonated with me as having some merit.." Then the video goes on to mention they (Chad and Julie) refined the system and made it their own thing. Some kind of light and dark number system; I'm not familiar with it.

I tried to find what thread they might be referencing (via forum search and Google search) but couldn't find anything regarding a number system. We've had multiple discussions on multiple mortal probations but couldn't find references to such a number system. Does this sound familiar to anyone?

I've read probably every MMP thread since 2013-14. There was never a number system mentioned that I ever saw.

[Silver Pie]

I thought Chad was on another forum. The one that you had to pay for. If here what was his name? Creepy!

Yeah, it's more likely to have been on AVOW, in my opinion.

[Wolfwoman]

The James and Elena story, in which Chad writes about Chad and Lori’s love story.

They meet and within a short period of time they are kissing, straddling each other (fully clothed), laying on a hotel bed kissing each other and pressing their bodies against each other, but not doing the actual deed because - ?? You’d think it would be because they’re both married to other people. Although that would make kissing and flirting with each other wrong too… But no, apparently they couldn’t have sexual intercourse yet because they needed to go to the temple and do sealings together first.

So, while they’re married to other people, they go to the temple together the next day (after their make out session), because they are really hot for each other and really want to have sex. And, apparently in their minds, if they go to the temple and do sealings together then they have, I guess, renewed their sealing/marriage that they have had done in previous lives together. And then they are okay to have sex with each other.

Anyway, it’s quite bizarre.
And do temple workers just let anyone do sealings together? I remember as a missionary in the MTC the Provo temple let us do sealings if we were proxy for the child. But we couldn’t be proxy for the husband or wife, which honestly made sense to me because I wasn’t married. They didn’t want a male and female missionary to do sealings together and… fall in love, decide to quit their missions, and go home and get married. Lol

But when I was home from my mission and engaged to be married, my fiancé and I were at the temple with my family doing family sealings and the sealer let me and my fiancé act as proxy for the husband and wife. He said we were “practicing” for when we actually got to be sealed to each other.

99.9% of all other times I’ve done sealings have been with my husband, when I’ve been proxy for the wife. I think there may have been a time when we did family sealings and my mother had passed away, and I may have acted as the wife and my dad was acting for the husband. And that was fine. And there may have been a time when my brother in law was acting as the husband and one of my sisters (not his wife) was acting as the wife. So I know it happens sometimes, but I feel like it’s slightly discouraged because it can be kind of awkward to kneel at the altar and hold hands with someone who is not your spouse.

What are your thoughts? Should the temple workers have questioned Chad and Lori on why they wanted to do sealings together when they had different last names? That’s got to be a not-too-frequent occurrence. But I know when I was a temple worker we weren’t to judge the patrons and we were to assume they were worthy to be there, etc. because their bishop and stake president had given them a recommend.

Bizarro story. I think they thought when they did sealings together that Moroni sealed them together at that time and now they were a-ok to have sex even though they were both legally married to others. And they also got legally married to each other later, after both spouses had been killed. How they made this all ok in their minds is so hard to comprehend.

[Lizzy60]

I haven’t heard the court testimony about their temple sealing, but early on in this saga, Lori was recorded telling friends that she and Chad went to the temple with Jason Mow, found an unused room (not hard) and he “sealed” them. Jesus was the witness present.

Jason Mow was most likely told by Chad that he was Moroni in an MMP, so had authority to seal them. Jason is one of those in the inner circle who seems to have dodged a bullet.

[Wolfwoman]

I haven’t heard the court testimony about their temple sealing, but early on in this saga, Lori was recorded telling friends that she and Chad went to the temple with Jason Mow, found an unused room (not hard) and he “sealed” them. Jesus was the witness present.

I have not heard that. Well, I’ve heard it as a rumor. But I haven’t heard Lori saying that in a recording. I wouldn’t believe a word of what she says. She lies like nobody’s business.

I would have to go back and research when they went to the temple together to do sealings so that they could have sex. I feel like it was not in Arizona where Jason Mow lives.

You can do a search for the James and Elena story. East Idaho News has it on their website, but it’s a big pain in the rear to read because it has watermarks all over it and the page loads slowly and reloads all the time and has ads. Some YouTubers have read it on their channels.

[Silver Pie]

I don't see any reason for the temple workers to have questioned them. They were most likely unknown to the temple workers and viewed as just another patron, and temple workers aren't prone to think suspiciously about the patrons.

Might depend on the temple, too, but I know of no requirement that says single people are not allowed to be proxy for a deceased married couple. In fact, I have been a stand-in for a wife while single (I went with my great-aunt, and the people in the room took turns being the child or the parent). In those days, the officiator would go so quickly through the ceremony, that it was mostly not understandable. Because it was the first time I did it, the officiator slowed down so I could understand. Once that was done, he sped up again.

[Silver Pie]

I haven’t heard the court testimony about their temple sealing, but early on in this saga, Lori was recorded telling friends that she and Chad went to the temple with Jason Mow, found an unused room (not hard) and he “sealed” them. Jesus was the witness present.

Jason Mow was most likely told by Chad that he was Moroni in an MMP, so had authority to seal them. Jason is one of those in the inner circle who seems to have dodged a bullet.

She may have said this, but I have a very difficult time believing that non-temple-workers could have access to an empty room long enough for something like that to happen. They keep a close eye on who enters sealing rooms. It is possible, but not probable.

Edit: In the St. George temple, they'd let people go into one of the small sealing rooms off the celestial room, with the caveat to not kneel at the altar (and, of course, the door(s) had to stay open). I used to go in there, sit in one of the chairs, and pray quietly - until they decided they didn't want people to do that anymore (probably a new temple president).

[Lizzy60]

I haven’t heard the court testimony about their temple sealing, but early on in this saga, Lori was recorded telling friends that she and Chad went to the temple with Jason Mow, found an unused room (not hard) and he “sealed” them. Jesus was the witness present.

Jason Mow was most likely told by Chad that he was Moroni in an MMP, so had authority to seal them. Jason is one of those in the inner circle who seems to have dodged a bullet.

She may have said this, but I have a very difficult time believing that non-temple-workers could have access to an empty room long enough for something like that to happen. They keep a close eye on who enters sealing rooms. It is possible, but not probable.

Edit: In the St. George temple, they'd let people go into one of the small sealing rooms off the celestial room, with the caveat to not kneel at the altar (and, of course, the door(s) had to stay open). I used to go in there, sit in one of the chairs, and pray quietly - until they decided they didn't want people to do that anymore (probably a new temple president).

In my years as an ordinance worker in Dallas, on weekdays there was always an unused endowment room as well as sealing rooms, and if it didn’t take too long patrons could go in unnoticed. Either way, Chub and Slut married themselves, blaspheming against all that is holy.

[Silver Pie]

In my years as an ordinance worker in Dallas, on weekdays there was always an unused endowment room as well as sealing rooms, and if it didn’t take too long patrons could go in unnoticed. Either way, Chub and Slut married themselves, blaspheming against all that is holy.

If they slipped in and out quickly, perhaps. I've never been to that temple, and you obviously (as a worker) have a lot of experience there, so you would know more than me.

In the St. George temple, that couldn't have happened in those days. There were a whole lot of temple workers keeping an eye on things, including who went near sealing rooms. And they also kept a close eye on the floor where sealings were, keeping track of everyone who stepped off the elevator.

I'm trying to remember about other temples I've gone to, but I can't really say. The only other one I did sealings in, or saw sealing rooms in, was the Mesa temple (that's where I was married). With all of the others, I only did endowments or initiatory, and I don't recall sealing rooms off the celestial room (or, if there were, people were forbidden to go in there unless they were part of a sealing party.

On the other hand, if they were cozy with a temple worker, they could more easily slip in, depending on what authority and trust that temple worker had.

I don't know. I mean, I obviously haven't been to every temple, and don't know how lax or observant the workers were required to be (or how shorthanded).

[Wolfwoman]

I haven’t heard the court testimony about their temple sealing, but early on in this saga, Lori was recorded telling friends that she and Chad went to the temple with Jason Mow, found an unused room (not hard) and he “sealed” them. Jesus was the witness present.

Jason Mow was most likely told by Chad that he was Moroni in an MMP, so had authority to seal them. Jason is one of those in the inner circle who seems to have dodged a bullet.

I don’t believe Jason Mow is guilty of anything other than being a speaker at the preparing a people conference. If he was in the inner circle they’d most likely have him testify in court. Maybe he still will. I don’t know. But we haven’t heard from him yet and I don’t think his name has even come up in the trial. Actually I think it came up once. When they did the DNA testing they tested the DNA against Chad, Lori, Alex, Melanie, Jason Mow… maybe some others. Jason probably agreed to do it to prove his innocence.

I don’t really think Melanie G or Zulema are guilty of anything either, other than being too trusting and believing in some crazy religious ideas. I don’t think they killed anyone. Maybe they should have reported Chad and Lori to their bishops for having an affair. But that’s about it.

[gkearney]

I haven’t heard the court testimony about their temple sealing, but early on in this saga, Lori was recorded telling friends that she and Chad went to the temple with Jason Mow, found an unused room (not hard) and he “sealed” them. Jesus was the witness present.

Jason Mow was most likely told by Chad that he was Moroni in an MMP, so had authority to seal them. Jason is one of those in the inner circle who seems to have dodged a bullet.

Notice it was described as an “empty room” and not a sealing room. They could have found a closet for all we know.