LDS Freedom Forum

inho wrote: ↑August 4th, 2020, 4:10 pm

EmmaLee wrote: ↑August 4th, 2020, 4:02 pm Indeed, but was Ian a part of their cult when he got divorced? I was thinking of the people directly involved in the cult and how easily and often they swap out (or murder) their spouses for a new model. But yes, since you mention it, it seems most LDS people today have at least one divorce under their belts. We truly are no different than the world anymore.

Good point. I don't know if Ian was involved with the cult before meeting Melani. Actually, I have the impression that he wasn't. Then he was an odd choice for Melani to marry. All the other people formed couples inside the cult.

EmmaLee wrote: ↑August 4th, 2020, 4:23 pm

inho wrote: ↑August 4th, 2020, 4:07 pm

EmmaLee wrote: ↑August 4th, 2020, 3:58 pm

farmerchick wrote: ↑August 4th, 2020, 3:54 pm That info was out about mg knowing about CD and lv....and dw and mg spending the night in Lori's townhouse together.....my thought are she was involved with extra marital activities before her divirce... but I've not heard it from any source except lv

Yeah, that wouldn't surprise me at all. Melanie did say in the hearing that she slept in Tylee's room, and David slept in JJ's room (and JJ slept in Lori's room with her, before they killed him) - but yeah, who knows. The whole group seems to have seriously loose morals to say the least.

This is what Lori said in the phone call:

Melanie Gibb
“Oh, oh. So I haven’t ever seen you with, I’ve never seen you with Chad, kiss him and walk around the track and BYU with him. I never saw that? You say I’m–”

Lori Daybell
“You’re the one who’s feeling guilty about being with someone before they were divorced.”

Melanie Gibb
“Oh honey. I think that’s not what we’re talking about here.”

Lori Daybell
“It’s not what we’re talking about here. That’s why I’m saying. You aren’t going off the deep end. But–”

Melanie Gibb
“I’m just saying, this is not a behavior of someone that sees Jesus Christ. It’s not the behavior.”

It is not my business what has or has not happened between Melanie and David. In my opinion, the conversation tells much more about the character of Lori. She is denying something that Melanie has seen with her own eyes. Instead, Lori accuses her.

I agree with you about Lori's character (or the lack thereof), but what does that have to do with my comment that you quoted?

inho wrote: ↑August 4th, 2020, 4:32 pm

EmmaLee wrote: ↑August 4th, 2020, 4:23 pm

inho wrote: ↑August 4th, 2020, 4:07 pm

EmmaLee wrote: ↑August 4th, 2020, 3:58 pm

Yeah, that wouldn't surprise me at all. Melanie did say in the hearing that she slept in Tylee's room, and David slept in JJ's room (and JJ slept in Lori's room with her, before they killed him) - but yeah, who knows. The whole group seems to have seriously loose morals to say the least.

This is what Lori said in the phone call:

Melanie Gibb
“Oh, oh. So I haven’t ever seen you with, I’ve never seen you with Chad, kiss him and walk around the track and BYU with him. I never saw that? You say I’m–”

Lori Daybell
“You’re the one who’s feeling guilty about being with someone before they were divorced.”

Melanie Gibb
“Oh honey. I think that’s not what we’re talking about here.”

Lori Daybell
“It’s not what we’re talking about here. That’s why I’m saying. You aren’t going off the deep end. But–”

Melanie Gibb
“I’m just saying, this is not a behavior of someone that sees Jesus Christ. It’s not the behavior.”

It is not my business what has or has not happened between Melanie and David. In my opinion, the conversation tells much more about the character of Lori. She is denying something that Melanie has seen with her own eyes. Instead, Lori accuses her.

I agree with you about Lori's character (or the lack thereof), but what does that have to do with my comment that you quoted?

I just pointed out that even though we can't actually know if Melanie and David slept in separate rooms, we do know that Lori thinks that Melanie has done something which makes her "feeling guilty about being with someone before they were divorced.” That's what farmerchick was saying in the quote you quoted.
But then again, I don't trust anything Lori says, especially as she is at the same time lying about her own acts.

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑August 4th, 2020, 4:52 pm I am totally convinced that Ian was part of Chad’s cult, and he and Melani married because they were supposedly destined to in the 144K. The dating app is a cover story.

There is no way that she is fighting to see her children one week, even getting jailed for it, and then the next week she meets a random guy on Mutual dating app, he happens to be living near her in Rexburg, they get married in Vegas the following week.

Occam’s razor, folks.

jmack wrote: ↑August 4th, 2020, 4:06 pm

Connie561 wrote: ↑August 4th, 2020, 3:22 pm

farmerchick wrote: ↑August 4th, 2020, 12:49 pm Sounds like mg may have had an affair with David Warwick and lori was trying to deflect when mg was talking about chad and lori behavior...the obvious affair mg saw was turned around on her...whether mg did or not isn't important in the case...although I would say it goes to why melanie was privy to lori and Chad's dating. Also I saw on webslueths that lori told law enforcement that Adam her brother was trying to kill her for 2 million dollars in life Insurance....also on the phone call lori also brings up that kay was evil because she took Charles life insurance proceeds. Her voice changed from the cutesy sweet little girl voice when she mentioned it. Chad using the word "testify" makes me want to puke....and one more observation.....the throwing of the scriptures back and forth between them was really odd....the way lori coaches mg to say what she wants her to say when they are discussing alma and how he had to run away from wicked king Noah and likening that to Lori's own twisted situation was incredible to me....lori did wrest the scriptures like mg accused her of....I also read mg at first did lie to law enforcement about having jj. She said she did have jj and then lori came to get him....two days ln later she decided to work with law enforcement and told them she hadn't seen jj....so mg is kinda flaky in my opinion and she's obviously very impressionable. . But the best thing about the phone call was that lori and Chad talked soooooo much... ....not even aware melanie would record it...although at the end chad may have hung up the phone....but the damage has been done.....the claim to have seen the savior is pretty out there...they may have seen something but it t wasnt holy......

Melanie G. left her husband and children and is having an affair with David Warwick.

How do you know this?

jmack wrote: ↑August 4th, 2020, 3:55 pm

tdj wrote: ↑August 4th, 2020, 10:28 am

EmmaLee wrote: ↑August 4th, 2020, 10:14 am

tdj wrote: ↑August 4th, 2020, 9:24 am

Not meaning to justify Lori's behavior upon the death of Charles, BUT, if my ex were suddenly shot dead, I'd be cheerful too. Probably would dance a jig.

Thank you for that insight into your character.

Charles wasn't Lori's "ex". They were still legally married when she murdered him, and then laughed, giggled, and flirted with the cop about it.

Were they on good terms though? Legalities aside, it sounds like they were divorced by Gods laws by then. I don't know what kind of person he was behind closed doors, and neither do you. We have a good idea NOW what kind of person Lori is.

As far as I'm concerned, YOU have an ex or close to it who's a sleazebag get killed and then come back to me about character. Talking about MY ex not Charles.

They were back together, after Lori took off for 2 months and Charles filed for divorce, but then stopped the proceedings, so that would assume that they were both trying to make the marriage work. I think since Charles is dead and can't defend himself, and there is no evidence whatsoever that he was a bad husband, it's unfair for you to suggest he was. And we actually do have an idea of what kind of person he was by watching the body cam video from when he was trying to get into his home, he was clearly very concerned, worried and frightened for how his wife was acting, and he still loved her so he later ended the divorce proceedings to try to save the marriage. I think you need to be careful of judging Charles by your own experience with an ex husband and remember that Charles was NEVER Lori's ex husband. They were married and he was still paying all the bills for her lifestyle, always paying for a beautiful home, living expenses, the children and even paying for things for her extended family.

tdj wrote: ↑August 5th, 2020, 9:44 am Back to the case: I saw it mentioned on a Facebook page where someone expressed hope that some DNA, hair or skin pieces of Chad and Lori may be found on the duct tape used to wrap J.J
From the hearing, it sounds like quite a bit of tape was used.

inho wrote: ↑August 5th, 2020, 9:58 am

tdj wrote: ↑August 5th, 2020, 9:44 am Back to the case: I saw it mentioned on a Facebook page where someone expressed hope that some DNA, hair or skin pieces of Chad and Lori may be found on the duct tape used to wrap J.J
From the hearing, it sounds like quite a bit of tape was used.

I think it is pretty clear that Chad was involved in the burial of the bodies. It is his backyard and he told Tammy that he shot a raccoon and buried it. So, he was there at the time when Alex was there too (according to phone location data). However, what is Lori's role in the light of the evidence? She is the mother and she should be concerned if the kids just vanish. Especially JJ, since JJ was there one day and then suddenly wasn't. There isn't as much evidence about Tylee's disappearance, so she can come up with some story that Tylee went somewhere and she don't know what happened to her.
If there is hair or DNA in the duct tape is that enough? She can claim that Alex borrowed the tape from her. She will likely say that she knew that Alex killed the kids, but she didn't say anything because she was protecting him. And that Chad just helped with the burial but had nothing to do with the murders.

I really hope that I am too pessimistic here and there is enough evidence to connect both Lori and Chad to the deaths.

farmerchick wrote: ↑August 5th, 2020, 12:20 pm Does anyone know if the prosecutor is looking at more charges? I havent seen anything that indicates the prosecutor is going to press murder charges. It just seems strange to me that murder charges have not been filed. The bodies clearly show someone murdered them. Circumstantial evidence everywhere. So any theories why......??

farmerchick wrote: ↑August 5th, 2020, 12:20 pm Does anyone know if the prosecutor is looking at more charges? I havent seen anything that indicates the prosecutor is going to press murder charges. It just seems strange to me that murder charges have not been filed. The bodies clearly show someone murdered them. Circumstantial evidence everywhere. So any theories why......??

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑August 5th, 2020, 5:26 pm The Church has put out a reminder letter, dated August 4, 2020, reminding all ward and stake leaders that they should not get involved in any court proceedings involving members of their units without first talking to the Church lawyers in Salt Lake.

I have been unable to find a copy-friendly version of the letter. It’s dated yesterday and signed by the FP.

“If a leader believes he or she should testify or communicate in a legal matter, or if a leader is being required to do so by legal process, that leader MUST contact the Office of General Counsel at Church headquarters (phone #).

They even say why.....”Following the Church’s policy also keeps the Church from being inappropriately implicated in legal matters.”

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑August 5th, 2020, 5:26 pm The Church has put out a reminder letter, dated August 4, 2020, reminding all ward and stake leaders that they should not get involved in any court proceedings involving members of their units without first talking to the Church lawyers in Salt Lake.

I have been unable to find a copy-friendly version of the letter. It’s dated yesterday and signed by the FP.

“If a leader believes he or she should testify or communicate in a legal matter, or if a leader is being required to do so by legal process, that leader MUST contact the Office of General Counsel at Church headquarters (phone #).

They even say why.....”Following the Church’s policy also keeps the Church from being inappropriately implicated in legal matters.”

inho wrote: ↑August 6th, 2020, 2:17 am

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑August 5th, 2020, 5:26 pm The Church has put out a reminder letter, dated August 4, 2020, reminding all ward and stake leaders that they should not get involved in any court proceedings involving members of their units without first talking to the Church lawyers in Salt Lake.

I have been unable to find a copy-friendly version of the letter. It’s dated yesterday and signed by the FP.

“If a leader believes he or she should testify or communicate in a legal matter, or if a leader is being required to do so by legal process, that leader MUST contact the Office of General Counsel at Church headquarters (phone #).

They even say why.....”Following the Church’s policy also keeps the Church from being inappropriately implicated in legal matters.”

The letter is not in the Official Communication Library, which bishoprics and stake presidencies can access. So the letter must be targeted for a geographically limited region and not for worldwide circulation.
However, the reason might be as simple that the church only provides legal counsel in English and in relation to US laws (at least from the phone number from the letter, not sure if there are any other countries were church has legal counsel).

Connie561 wrote: ↑August 4th, 2020, 3:22 pmMelanie G. left her husband and children and is having an affair with David Warwick.

jmack wrote: ↑August 4th, 2020, 4:06 pmHow do you know this?

Connie561 wrote: ↑August 4th, 2020, 5:40 pmI am not naive. If you want to believe she is a woman who honors her marriage vows, I won't stop you from believing that.

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑August 5th, 2020, 5:26 pm The Church has put out a reminder letter, dated August 4, 2020, reminding all ward and stake leaders that they should not get involved in any court proceedings involving members of their units without first talking to the Church lawyers in Salt Lake.

I have been unable to find a copy-friendly version of the letter. It’s dated yesterday and signed by the FP.

“If a leader believes he or she should testify or communicate in a legal matter, or if a leader is being required to do so by legal process, that leader MUST contact the Office of General Counsel at Church headquarters (phone #).

They even say why.....”Following the Church’s policy also keeps the Church from being inappropriately implicated in legal matters.”

Police in Arizona will eventually ask prosecutors to file charges against Lori Vallow Daybell in connection to the 2019 homicide of her former husband, Charles Vallow.

Chandler Police spokesman Sgt. Jason McClimans confirmed to EastIdahoNews.com that detectives plan to submit their case to the Maricopa County Attorney’s Office but still have a ways to go in their investigation.

“Our detectives are still going through active search warrants and subpoenas,” McClimans said.

The charges against Vallow could vary and are up to the prosecutor, but police indicate a conspiracy to commit murder charge is possible.

“This case is a marathon, not a sprint,” Chandler Police Detective Nathan Duncan told EastIdahoNews.com. “We are conducting a very thorough investigation to determine the truth behind the murder of Charles Vallow.”