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As this thread soooooo aptly illustrates...we all fall short of the saviours example...some more than others....some alot more......but we can try ....sincerely try to do better.....honesty is a first step....
Agreed, but the way tdj said it, it wasn't as if they were admitting a character flaw, but that they were saying it to justify the idea of doing sofarmerchick wrote: ↑August 4th, 2020, 1:52 pmAs this thread soooooo aptly illustrates...we all fall short of the saviours example...some more than others....some alot more......but we can try ....sincerely try to do better.....honesty is a first step....
Right..you have no idea of willful intention...she said it...she was honest...everyone's on a journey that's individual to them...and I thought your comment was interesting in light of my earlier comment on tactics used by chad daybell......not that your even in the same league or anything....tdj was being honest about her feelings of negativity toward a spouse and you interrupted the thread to comment using a lori Chad mg tactic....its all very interesting to me as I 9bserve this thread . you took my bait so I'm explaining it to you....of course I dont think your evil or anythimg... we all use tactics and I find it fascinating...sorry you are my Guinea pig......this thread has been full of like disteactions.....and I also distracted pointing out the distraction.....lol....this thread from the beginning has been fascinating to observe and participate in....it really shows humanity at its worst and how others perceive that with bias and thought process....it is interesting to see the forum members participate and watch the untold motivations unfold of some posters.....just my .02Luke wrote: ↑August 4th, 2020, 2:02 pmAgreed, but the way tdj said it, it wasn't as if they were admitting a character flaw, but that they were saying it to justify the idea of doing sofarmerchick wrote: ↑August 4th, 2020, 1:52 pmAs this thread soooooo aptly illustrates...we all fall short of the saviours example...some more than others....some alot more......but we can try ....sincerely try to do better.....honesty is a first step....
But it's online so I don't know what they're thinking. I'm just giving my honest thoughts
Food for thought, thanks for sharing your thoughtsfarmerchick wrote: ↑August 4th, 2020, 2:19 pmRight..you have no idea of willful intention...she said it...she was honest...everyone's on a journey that's individual to them...and I thought your comment was interesting in light of my earlier comment on tactics used by chad daybell......not that your even in the same league or anything....tdj was being honest about her feelings of negativity toward a spouse and you interrupted the thread to comment using a lori Chad mg tactic....its all very interesting to me as I 9bserve this thread . you took my bait so I'm explaining it to you....of course I dont think your evil or anythimg... we all use tactics and I find it fascinating...sorry you are my Guinea pig......this thread has been full of like disteactions.....and I also distracted pointing out the distraction.....lol....this thread from the beginning has been fascinating to observe and participate in....it really shows humanity at its worst and how others perceive that with bias and thought process....it is interesting to see the forum members participate and watch the untold motivations unfold of some posters.....just my .02Luke wrote: ↑August 4th, 2020, 2:02 pmAgreed, but the way tdj said it, it wasn't as if they were admitting a character flaw, but that they were saying it to justify the idea of doing sofarmerchick wrote: ↑August 4th, 2020, 1:52 pmAs this thread soooooo aptly illustrates...we all fall short of the saviours example...some more than others....some alot more......but we can try ....sincerely try to do better.....honesty is a first step....
But it's online so I don't know what they're thinking. I'm just giving my honest thoughts
Ahh yes...the subversion in false doctrines...well said!EmmaLee wrote: ↑August 3rd, 2020, 6:57 pmThat's because you're a normal sane person, and not filled with evil. Of the choices above, my guesses are 1, 3, 5, and maybe 6. He and Lori are most certainly sociopaths/psychopaths (antisocial personality disorder, as the shrinks call it), as they obviously have no conscience to speak of. A person with a conscience doesn't laugh and giggle and flirt with the cops a few minutes after her husband (Charles) has been murdered. A person with a conscience doesn't grin and smile during his hearing when the gruesome details of the children he helped murder and chop up and burn and bury are laid out. That they are filled with evil spirits goes without saying, and can most likely be attributed to their submersion in all the false doctrines they got caught up in, believed in, preached, etc. When you welcome the devil in, he obliges - every single time - and he brings additional guests. And we've seen that even with all the evidence, there are still those who 'believe' in Chad and Lori - who believe what they believe - who preach the same false doctrines - and ignore all the dead bodies and destroyed lives - so the hydra concept is a real thing, for sure.farmerchick wrote: ↑August 3rd, 2020, 6:26 pm So what could be behind the smiles here?????? a couple of ideas.......
1. He is just insane.......nothing behind those beatty pig eyes except a psychopath
2. He's just stupid.....has no idea what is going on behind the pig like eyes.....
3. He is crazy like a fox and believes the hydra will save him at the jury trial....maybe this is soooo much larger than we know
4. He's on some type of drug......have no idea what would allow you to be so carefree....but I'd like some...lol
5. He is possessed and fears nothing....has no remorse and is going down defiant....
6. Really believes his own doctrines and is really just delusional
. a. He is justified and thinks somehow this is all going away....
How could someone who has participated in this be this happy??????? I can't even understand it......
Melanie G. left her husband and children and is having an affair with David Warwick.farmerchick wrote: ↑August 4th, 2020, 12:49 pm Sounds like mg may have had an affair with David Warwick and lori was trying to deflect when mg was talking about chad and lori behavior...the obvious affair mg saw was turned around on her...whether mg did or not isn't important in the case...although I would say it goes to why melanie was privy to lori and Chad's dating. Also I saw on webslueths that lori told law enforcement that Adam her brother was trying to kill her for 2 million dollars in life Insurance....also on the phone call lori also brings up that kay was evil because she took Charles life insurance proceeds. Her voice changed from the cutesy sweet little girl voice when she mentioned it. Chad using the word "testify" makes me want to puke....and one more observation.....the throwing of the scriptures back and forth between them was really odd....the way lori coaches mg to say what she wants her to say when they are discussing alma and how he had to run away from wicked king Noah and likening that to Lori's own twisted situation was incredible to me....lori did wrest the scriptures like mg accused her of....I also read mg at first did lie to law enforcement about having jj. She said she did have jj and then lori came to get him....two days ln later she decided to work with law enforcement and told them she hadn't seen jj....so mg is kinda flaky in my opinion and she's obviously very impressionable. . But the best thing about the phone call was that lori and Chad talked soooooo much... ....not even aware melanie would record it...although at the end chad may have hung up the phone....but the damage has been done.....the claim to have seen the savior is pretty out there...they may have seen something but it t wasnt holy......
Melanie has publicly said that she was with Lori and Chad walking around the track at BYUI in broad daylight during her visit last September (4 weeks before Chad murdered his wife, Tammy), and that during that walk, Lori and Chad were holding hands, hugging, and kissing on the mouth, etc. So anyone could have seen them doing that - they didn't seem like they were trying to hide their affair at all if they're willing to kiss each other during the day on the BYUI campus, where any number of people could have witnessed Tammy's husband kissing another woman. There was no doubt more that Melanie knew about their adultery, but this episode has been public for awhile now.farmerchick wrote: ↑August 4th, 2020, 12:49 pm Sounds like mg may have had an affair with David Warwick and lori was trying to deflect when mg was talking about chad and lori behavior...the obvious affair mg saw was turned around on her...whether mg did or not isn't important in the case...although I would say it goes to why melanie was privy to lori and Chad's dating.
They were back together, after Lori took off for 2 months and Charles filed for divorce, but then stopped the proceedings, so that would assume that they were both trying to make the marriage work. I think since Charles is dead and can't defend himself, and there is no evidence whatsoever that he was a bad husband, it's unfair for you to suggest he was. And we actually do have an idea of what kind of person he was by watching the body cam video from when he was trying to get into his home, he was clearly very concerned, worried and frightened for how his wife was acting, and he still loved her so he later ended the divorce proceedings to try to save the marriage. I think you need to be careful of judging Charles by your own experience with an ex husband and remember that Charles was NEVER Lori's ex husband. They were married and he was still paying all the bills for her lifestyle, always paying for a beautiful home, living expenses, the children and even paying for things for her extended family.tdj wrote: ↑August 4th, 2020, 10:28 amWere they on good terms though? Legalities aside, it sounds like they were divorced by Gods laws by then. I don't know what kind of person he was behind closed doors, and neither do you. We have a good idea NOW what kind of person Lori is.EmmaLee wrote: ↑August 4th, 2020, 10:14 amThank you for that insight into your character.tdj wrote: ↑August 4th, 2020, 9:24 amNot meaning to justify Lori's behavior upon the death of Charles, BUT, if my ex were suddenly shot dead, I'd be cheerful too. Probably would dance a jig.EmmaLee wrote: ↑August 3rd, 2020, 6:57 pm That's because you're a normal sane person, and not filled with evil. Of the choices above, my guesses are 1, 3, 5, and maybe 6. He and Lori are most certainly sociopaths/psychopaths (antisocial personality disorder, as the shrinks call it), as they obviously have no conscience to speak of. A person with a conscience doesn't laugh and giggle and flirt with the cops a few minutes after her husband (Charles) has been murdered. A person with a conscience doesn't grin and smile during his hearing when the gruesome details of the children he helped murder and chop up and burn and bury are laid out. That they are filled with evil spirits goes without saying, and can most likely be attributed to their submersion in all the false doctrines they got caught up in, believed in, preached, etc. When you welcome the devil in, he obliges - every single time - and he brings additional guests. And we've seen that even with all the evidence, there are still those who 'believe' in Chad and Lori - who believe what they believe - who preach the same false doctrines - and ignore all the dead bodies and destroyed lives - so the hydra concept is a real thing, for sure.
Charles wasn't Lori's "ex". They were still legally married when she murdered him, and then laughed, giggled, and flirted with the cop about it.
As far as I'm concerned, YOU have an ex or close to it who's a sleazebag get killed and then come back to me about character. Talking about MY ex not Charles.
It is not just the women leaving their husbands. Ian Pawlowski had a divorce in 2019 too.EmmaLee wrote: ↑August 4th, 2020, 3:47 pm As for Melanie and Warwick, I pointed out in a post a few weeks ago, that she was publicly with Warwick, as a couple, just a couple weeks after she divorced her husband. Whether she divorced her husband FOR Warwick or not, I do not know. Then there's Melani, Lori's niece, who did the same thing to her husband, Brandon (since killing him didn't work as planned). And of course, Lori and Zulema have been married several times each. The women in this cult move fast between men. It's bizarre and disgusting, IMO, but not surprising, considering many of their beliefs.
Yes, you did post this a while back. I just could not remember who said that about Melanie G.EmmaLee wrote: ↑August 4th, 2020, 3:47 pmMelanie has publicly said that she was with Lori and Chad walking around the track at BYUI in broad daylight during her visit last September (4 weeks before Chad murdered his wife, Tammy), and that during that walk, Lori and Chad were holding hands, hugging, and kissing on the mouth, etc. So anyone could have seen them doing that - they didn't seem like they were trying to hide their affair at all if they're willing to kiss each other during the day on the BYUI campus, where any number of people could have witnessed Tammy's husband kissing another woman. There was no doubt more that Melanie knew about their adultery, but this episode has been public for awhile now.farmerchick wrote: ↑August 4th, 2020, 12:49 pm Sounds like mg may have had an affair with David Warwick and lori was trying to deflect when mg was talking about chad and lori behavior...the obvious affair mg saw was turned around on her...whether mg did or not isn't important in the case...although I would say it goes to why melanie was privy to lori and Chad's dating.
As for Melanie and Warwick, I pointed out in a post a few weeks ago, that she was publicly with Warwick, as a couple, just a couple weeks after she divorced her husband. Whether she divorced her husband FOR Warwick or not, I do not know. Then there's Melani, Lori's niece, who did the same thing to her husband, Brandon (since killing him didn't work as planned). And of course, Lori and Zulema have been married several times each. The women in this cult move fast between men. It's bizarre and disgusting, IMO, but not surprising, considering many of their beliefs.
Yeah, that wouldn't surprise me at all. Melanie did say in the hearing that she slept in Tylee's room, and David slept in JJ's room (and JJ slept in Lori's room with her, before they killed him) - but yeah, who knows. The whole group seems to have seriously loose morals to say the least.farmerchick wrote: ↑August 4th, 2020, 3:54 pm That info was out about mg knowing about CD and lv....and dw and mg spending the night in Lori's townhouse together.....my thought are she was involved with extra marital activities before her divirce... but I've not heard it from any source except lv
Indeed, but was Ian a part of their cult when he got divorced? I was thinking of the people directly involved in the cult and how easily and often they swap out (or murder) their spouses for a new model. But yes, since you mention it, it seems most LDS people today have at least one divorce under their belts. We truly are no different than the world anymore.inho wrote: ↑August 4th, 2020, 3:55 pmIt is not just the women leaving their husbands. Ian Pawlowski had a divorce in 2019 too.EmmaLee wrote: ↑August 4th, 2020, 3:47 pm As for Melanie and Warwick, I pointed out in a post a few weeks ago, that she was publicly with Warwick, as a couple, just a couple weeks after she divorced her husband. Whether she divorced her husband FOR Warwick or not, I do not know. Then there's Melani, Lori's niece, who did the same thing to her husband, Brandon (since killing him didn't work as planned). And of course, Lori and Zulema have been married several times each. The women in this cult move fast between men. It's bizarre and disgusting, IMO, but not surprising, considering many of their beliefs.
I didn't get that Melanie had had an affair with David Warwick, I heard nothing to allude to that. From listening to it, I though she was throwing it in Melanie's face that Melanie was dating him before his divorce (or her divorce) was final. That used to be frowned on, but people, even LDS, will date before their divorces are final. The strange thing is, Lori seemed to think it was a badge of honor that Chad was not divorced. Like in her twisted way of thinking, his being divorced would be worse, so it was better for him to likely kill his spouse.farmerchick wrote: ↑August 4th, 2020, 12:49 pm Sounds like mg may have had an affair with David Warwick and lori was trying to deflect when mg was talking about chad and lori behavior...the obvious affair mg saw was turned around on her...whether mg did or not isn't important in the case...although I would say it goes to why melanie was privy to lori and Chad's dating. Also I saw on webslueths that lori told law enforcement that Adam her brother was trying to kill her for 2 million dollars in life Insurance....also on the phone call lori also brings up that kay was evil because she took Charles life insurance proceeds. Her voice changed from the cutesy sweet little girl voice when she mentioned it. Chad using the word "testify" makes me want to puke....and one more observation.....the throwing of the scriptures back and forth between them was really odd....the way lori coaches mg to say what she wants her to say when they are discussing alma and how he had to run away from wicked king Noah and likening that to Lori's own twisted situation was incredible to me....lori did wrest the scriptures like mg accused her of....I also read mg at first did lie to law enforcement about having jj. She said she did have jj and then lori came to get him....two days ln later she decided to work with law enforcement and told them she hadn't seen jj....so mg is kinda flaky in my opinion and she's obviously very impressionable. . But the best thing about the phone call was that lori and Chad talked soooooo much... ....not even aware melanie would record it...although at the end chad may have hung up the phone....but the damage has been done.....the claim to have seen the savior is pretty out there...they may have seen something but it t wasnt holy......
How do you know this?Connie561 wrote: ↑August 4th, 2020, 3:22 pmMelanie G. left her husband and children and is having an affair with David Warwick.farmerchick wrote: ↑August 4th, 2020, 12:49 pm Sounds like mg may have had an affair with David Warwick and lori was trying to deflect when mg was talking about chad and lori behavior...the obvious affair mg saw was turned around on her...whether mg did or not isn't important in the case...although I would say it goes to why melanie was privy to lori and Chad's dating. Also I saw on webslueths that lori told law enforcement that Adam her brother was trying to kill her for 2 million dollars in life Insurance....also on the phone call lori also brings up that kay was evil because she took Charles life insurance proceeds. Her voice changed from the cutesy sweet little girl voice when she mentioned it. Chad using the word "testify" makes me want to puke....and one more observation.....the throwing of the scriptures back and forth between them was really odd....the way lori coaches mg to say what she wants her to say when they are discussing alma and how he had to run away from wicked king Noah and likening that to Lori's own twisted situation was incredible to me....lori did wrest the scriptures like mg accused her of....I also read mg at first did lie to law enforcement about having jj. She said she did have jj and then lori came to get him....two days ln later she decided to work with law enforcement and told them she hadn't seen jj....so mg is kinda flaky in my opinion and she's obviously very impressionable. . But the best thing about the phone call was that lori and Chad talked soooooo much... ....not even aware melanie would record it...although at the end chad may have hung up the phone....but the damage has been done.....the claim to have seen the savior is pretty out there...they may have seen something but it t wasnt holy......
This is what Lori said in the phone call:EmmaLee wrote: ↑August 4th, 2020, 3:58 pmYeah, that wouldn't surprise me at all. Melanie did say in the hearing that she slept in Tylee's room, and David slept in JJ's room (and JJ slept in Lori's room with her, before they killed him) - but yeah, who knows. The whole group seems to have seriously loose morals to say the least.farmerchick wrote: ↑August 4th, 2020, 3:54 pm That info was out about mg knowing about CD and lv....and dw and mg spending the night in Lori's townhouse together.....my thought are she was involved with extra marital activities before her divirce... but I've not heard it from any source except lv
It is not my business what has or has not happened between Melanie and David. In my opinion, the conversation tells much more about the character of Lori. She is denying something that Melanie has seen with her own eyes. Instead, Lori accuses her.Melanie Gibb
“Oh, oh. So I haven’t ever seen you with, I’ve never seen you with Chad, kiss him and walk around the track and BYU with him. I never saw that? You say I’m–”
Lori Daybell
“You’re the one who’s feeling guilty about being with someone before they were divorced.”
Melanie Gibb
“Oh honey. I think that’s not what we’re talking about here.”
Lori Daybell
“It’s not what we’re talking about here. That’s why I’m saying. You aren’t going off the deep end. But–”
Melanie Gibb
“I’m just saying, this is not a behavior of someone that sees Jesus Christ. It’s not the behavior.”
Do we know that they spent the night in the same bedroom? My assumption is that they were both there to attend the conference, but unless there's someone who has confirmed it, we maybe ought to give them the benefit of the doubt. They aren't on trial here.farmerchick wrote: ↑August 4th, 2020, 3:54 pm That info was out about mg knowing about CD and lv....and dw and mg spending the night in Lori's townhouse together.....my thought are she was involved with extra marital activities before her divirce... but I've not heard it from any source except lv
Good point. I don't know if Ian was involved with the cult before meeting Melani. Actually, I have the impression that he wasn't. Then he was an odd choice for Melani to marry. All the other people formed couples inside the cult.EmmaLee wrote: ↑August 4th, 2020, 4:02 pm Indeed, but was Ian a part of their cult when he got divorced? I was thinking of the people directly involved in the cult and how easily and often they swap out (or murder) their spouses for a new model. But yes, since you mention it, it seems most LDS people today have at least one divorce under their belts. We truly are no different than the world anymore.
Its unknown to mejmack wrote: ↑August 4th, 2020, 4:09 pmDo we know that they spent the night in the same bedroom? My assumption is that they were both there to attend the conference, but unless there's someone who has confirmed it, we maybe ought to give them the benefit of the doubt. They aren't on trial here.farmerchick wrote: ↑August 4th, 2020, 3:54 pm That info was out about mg knowing about CD and lv....and dw and mg spending the night in Lori's townhouse together.....my thought are she was involved with extra marital activities before her divirce... but I've not heard it from any source except lv
Since Ian panicked and privately went to the FBI after Melanie P. shared a lot of information about the ''cult', I'd say he was not a member of their intimate circle. He even wore a wire, as I recall.EmmaLee wrote: ↑August 4th, 2020, 4:02 pmIndeed, but was Ian a part of their cult when he got divorced? I was thinking of the people directly involved in the cult and how easily and often they swap out (or murder) their spouses for a new model. But yes, since you mention it, it seems most LDS people today have at least one divorce under their belts. We truly are no different than the world anymore.inho wrote: ↑August 4th, 2020, 3:55 pmIt is not just the women leaving their husbands. Ian Pawlowski had a divorce in 2019 too.EmmaLee wrote: ↑August 4th, 2020, 3:47 pm As for Melanie and Warwick, I pointed out in a post a few weeks ago, that she was publicly with Warwick, as a couple, just a couple weeks after she divorced her husband. Whether she divorced her husband FOR Warwick or not, I do not know. Then there's Melani, Lori's niece, who did the same thing to her husband, Brandon (since killing him didn't work as planned). And of course, Lori and Zulema have been married several times each. The women in this cult move fast between men. It's bizarre and disgusting, IMO, but not surprising, considering many of their beliefs.
Another indictment that many LDS people of today are no different than the world. If a person is still married, they are still married, and they should not be dating other people. It doesn't matter if they are going through a divorce or not. D&C 42:22 hasn't been rescinded and still applies, even if going through a divorce. It is a violation of the higher law that Jesus gave to not even lust after another (Matthew 5:28). The Lord has said that for those who don’t repent, they will lose the Spirit and risk excommunication (D&C 42:23). Going through a divorce doesn't mean the standards of the Church don't apply anymore - and that is that a person has strict fidelity as long as they are married. A person going through a divorce may not attend single's activities, for example (Church Handbook of Instruction 2:16.3.5), so the Church does still frown on it, even if the culture of many members is aligned with the world.jmack wrote: ↑August 4th, 2020, 4:03 pmI didn't get that Melanie had had an affair with David Warwick, I heard nothing to allude to that. From listening to it, I though she was throwing it in Melanie's face that Melanie was dating him before his divorce (or her divorce) was final. That used to be frowned on, but people, even LDS, will date before their divorces are final. The strange thing is, Lori seemed to think it was a badge of honor that Chad was not divorced. Like in her twisted way of thinking, his being divorced would be worse, so it was better for him to likely kill his spouse.farmerchick wrote: ↑August 4th, 2020, 12:49 pm Sounds like mg may have had an affair with David Warwick and lori was trying to deflect when mg was talking about chad and lori behavior...the obvious affair mg saw was turned around on her...whether mg did or not isn't important in the case...although I would say it goes to why melanie was privy to lori and Chad's dating.
https://www.eastidahonews.com/2020/08/c ... y-hearing/Eddins is back from a 10 minute recess. He says the reason preliminary hearings are held is to determine probable cause. Eddins says after reviewing all of the testimony, exhibits and arguments, Wood has met its burden of probable cause. Eddins says there is probable or sufficient cause that Daybell committed the crimes he’s accused of. Daybell’s case is now bound over to District Court and he will go before Judge Steven Boyce on Aug. 21 for an arraignment.
Chad said something very similar - I don't have the reference in front of me, but I believe it was last year, when he said divorce was out of the question. Murder, meh, no biggie - but divorce? No way!
I agree with you about Lori's character (or the lack thereof), but what does that have to do with my comment that you quoted?inho wrote: ↑August 4th, 2020, 4:07 pmThis is what Lori said in the phone call:EmmaLee wrote: ↑August 4th, 2020, 3:58 pmYeah, that wouldn't surprise me at all. Melanie did say in the hearing that she slept in Tylee's room, and David slept in JJ's room (and JJ slept in Lori's room with her, before they killed him) - but yeah, who knows. The whole group seems to have seriously loose morals to say the least.farmerchick wrote: ↑August 4th, 2020, 3:54 pm That info was out about mg knowing about CD and lv....and dw and mg spending the night in Lori's townhouse together.....my thought are she was involved with extra marital activities before her divirce... but I've not heard it from any source except lv
It is not my business what has or has not happened between Melanie and David. In my opinion, the conversation tells much more about the character of Lori. She is denying something that Melanie has seen with her own eyes. Instead, Lori accuses her.Melanie Gibb
“Oh, oh. So I haven’t ever seen you with, I’ve never seen you with Chad, kiss him and walk around the track and BYU with him. I never saw that? You say I’m–”
Lori Daybell
“You’re the one who’s feeling guilty about being with someone before they were divorced.”
Melanie Gibb
“Oh honey. I think that’s not what we’re talking about here.”
Lori Daybell
“It’s not what we’re talking about here. That’s why I’m saying. You aren’t going off the deep end. But–”
Melanie Gibb
“I’m just saying, this is not a behavior of someone that sees Jesus Christ. It’s not the behavior.”