News about Chad Daybell (and Lori Vallow)

[Dent]

Since reading what Lizzy posted...I am wondering about his ecclesiastical leaders are they all in with him....???? I mean he says they believe him when he tells them he's just a regular Joe Mormon.....Sosa clearly defended the murderers and the cult beliefs....soooo what's really going on here?

His reputation is ruined because of his behavior and what has been exposed. He is trying to do damage control.

You all are clearly delusional about all of this. If the truth walked up and bit you you would deny it.

[farmerchick]

Since reading what Lizzy posted...I am wondering about his ecclesiastical leaders are they all in with him....???? I mean he says they believe him when he tells them he's just a regular Joe Mormon.....Sosa clearly defended the murderers and the cult beliefs....soooo what's really going on here?

His reputation is ruined because of his behavior and what has been exposed. He is trying to do damage control.

You all are clearly delusional about all of this. If the truth walked up and bit you you would deny it.

Haha.....clearly some on this thread are....but I can assure you I'm as clear headed as they come......sober and not blinded by the scales most of the followers of these people have in their eyes....obviously your another friend of the associates listed in the chad and lori cult
...the end did not come on July 22....but it is on the way......and the children were found dead on Chad's ranchette....unfortunately there is that heinous detail.....delusional kool aid is all around right now.....I'd suggest putting down the glass, reevaluate and get back to us....#dontdrinkthekoolaid

[Dent]

Since reading what Lizzy posted...I am wondering about his ecclesiastical leaders are they all in with him....???? I mean he says they believe him when he tells them he's just a regular Joe Mormon.....Sosa clearly defended the murderers and the cult beliefs....soooo what's really going on here?

His reputation is ruined because of his behavior and what has been exposed. He is trying to do damage control.

You all are clearly delusional about all of this. If the truth walked up and bit you you would deny it.

Haha.....clearly some on this thread are....but I can assure you I'm as clear headed as they come......sober and not blinded by the scales most of the followers of these people have in their eyes....obviously your another friend of the associates listed in the chad and lori cult
...the end did not come on July 22....but it is on the way......and the children were found dead on Chad's ranchette....unfortunately there is that heinous detail.....delusional kool aid is all around right now.....I'd suggest putting down the glass, reevaluate and get back to us....#dontdrinkthekoolaid

So you're a mind reader? Along with most others on this thread. I choose to look at facts rather than wishful thinking. I'm not denying any of the facts that law enforcement has released. But you go ahead and continue to read my mind....

[tdj]

my responses

Yes, TDJ is right. To be accessory to the shedding of innocent blood after partaking of saving principles is what it takes, in fact, to become a son of perdition:
Read it again
what she said was false, by the definition of son of perdition. I'm sure you know the lamanites who had shed innocent blood knew they'd been forgiven and would not dare take up arms again for fear they would not be forgiven again.

• "And it shall come to pass, that if any persons among you shall kill they shall be delivered up and dealt with according to the laws of the land; for remember that he hath no forgiveness; and it shall be proved according to the laws of the land" (D&C 42:79).
• "The blasphemy against the Holy Ghost, which shall not be forgiven in the world nor out of the world, is in that ye commit murder wherein ye shed innocent blood, and assent unto my death, after ye have received my new and everlasting covenant, saith the Lord God; and he that abideth not this law can in nowise enter into my glory, but shall be damned, saith the Lord" (D&C 132:27).
• "The unpardonable sin is to shed innocent blood, or be accessory thereto" (Joseph Smith, Scriptural Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith [STPJS], p. 301).
  It was on earth for church forgiveness because they had capital punishment and believed it was God's standard for their day. It was then, but it isn't today and it wasn't always in the Nephites time. The lamanites converted and they admitted they had shed innocent blood. Many have done so for various reasons, God will judge who has truly repented, not man.
• "Concerning whom I have said there is no forgiveness in this world nor in the world to come—having denied the Holy Spirit after having received it, and having denied the Only Begotten Son of the Father, having crucified him unto themselves and put him to an open shame. These are they who shall go away into the lake of fire and brimstone, with the devil and his angels—and the only ones on whom the second death shall have any power; yea, verily, the only ones who shall not be redeemed in the due time of the Lord, after the sufferings of his wrath" (D&C 76:34-38).

Christ's blood does not atone for certain sins, such as murder:I'm sure you know that's a false belief. Murder can be forgiven, but not as easily. I know you know this is church position. We don’t insist there is no forgiveness in the world to come, What she wrote was false.

• "For behold, I, God, have suffered these things for all, that they might not suffer if they would [or could] repent; but if they would not [or could not] repent they must suffer even as I" (D&C 19:16-17).That is the unrepentant,
  It doesn't refer to those like the lamanites, as I already gave you them as an example.
• "The contention in heaven was—Jesus said there would be certain souls that would not be saved; and the devil said he could save them all" (Joseph Smith, STPJS, p. 357).

That.doesn't support your claim, he's still referring to the unrepentant.
Repentance for murder does not entail restitution, if repentance is desired, but payment with one's own blood (sometimes called blood atonement):

• "Thou shalt not suffer a murderer to live" (Exodus 22:18 JST)
• "Thou shalt give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe" (Exodus 21:23-25)
• "In debate, George A. Smith said imprisonment was better than hanging. I replied, I was opposed to hanging; even if a man kill another, I will shoot him, or cut off his head, spill his blood on the ground, and let the smoke thereof ascend up to God; and if ever I have the privilege of making a law on that subject, I will have it so" (Joseph Smith as quoted in History of the Church, volume 5, p. 296).

You know the church doesn't support blood atonement, even though some in decades past put it forward. And this is a perfect example of the danger and confusion that fundamentalists cause. Don't use non doctrines, beliefs that have been condemned even, to try to make your case. We're not fundementalists, the church has living prophets and continuing revelation. .please don't mislead others.

When was blood atonement condemned? Is the blood atonement of Christ also a "non doctrine"? Not sure I've ever heard any church authority condemn blood atonement in it's true form as it is perfectly scriptural and the basis of our own salvation. Many people have an inaccurate understanding of blood atonement and that may be preached against. But the real thing is legit.

As for the example of the Lamanites who had shed innocent blood, you are forgetting that one must first receive the new and everlasting covenant before shedding the innocent blood to commit the unpardonable sin. The Lamanites had shed blood (who knows how much of it was innocent blood) before being converted, so forgiveness is still an option without losing their own blood. They had not yet become the salt of the earth, so there was no savor to be lost and no treading under foot to be deserved. (I'm sure you can find the scripture references for that.)

Now, whom do you rail against? Me, whom you suppose to be a fundamentalist (in the pejorative sense, obviously), or your own prophet? Read on...

• "Peter preached repentance and baptism for the remission of sins to the Jews who had been led to acts of violence and blood by their leaders; but to the rulers he said, 'I wot that through ignorance ye did it, as did also your rulers.' 'Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing (redemption) shall come from the presence of the Lord, and He shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you,' &c. The time of redemption here had reference to the time when Christ should come; then, and not till then, would their sins be blotted out. Why? Because they were murderers, and no murderer hath eternal life. Even David must wait for those times of refreshing, before he can come forth and his sins be blotted out. For Peter, speaking of him says, 'David hath not yet ascended into heaven, for his sepulcher is with us to this day.' His remains were then in the tomb. Now, we read that many bodies of the Saints arose at Christ’s resurrection, probably all the Saints, but it seems that David did not. Why? Because he had been a murderer. If the ministers of religion had a proper understanding of the doctrine of eternal judgment, they would not be found attending the man who forfeited his life to the injured laws of his country, by shedding innocent blood; for such characters cannot be forgiven, until they have paid the last farthing. The prayers of all the ministers in the world can never close the gates of hell against a murderer" (Joseph Smith, Scriptural Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pp. 188 – 189, emphasis added).

Even you claim that murder cannot be fully forgiven in this life. Upon what scripture do you base that correct understanding? If you do your research you will see that your appraisal of murder is built upon the artifact of the beliefs you claim to reject. Don't believe it? Then please explain the scriptural or theological basis for your understanding that murder cannot be fully forgiven in this life. You are holding to the sayings of a few more recent general authority statements not realizing that their understanding is from these same quotes and scriptures I have provided.

Read carefully again what I've written and what Joseph Smith has said on the matter and you'll see there's no false doctrine in it, in fact he and I have the scriptures as our guide in this matter. Your scriptural example of the Lamanites was of a people who had not yet received the new and everlasting covenant. The Book of Mormon also talks about one of the most righteous men who ever lived, Captain Moroni, who shed the non-innocent blood of a whole slew of murderous king men yet did no sin. This is a very Biblical righteousness and it is our doctrine that there is a difference between murder and killing—or do you claim that the church disavows that too?

For further reading I suggest Joseph F. Smith's pamphlet, "Blood Atonement and the Origins of Polygamy." It's a great resource, unless, of course, you consider it misleading to have an understanding of our fundamentals...

This thread on Chad Daybell/Lori Vallow is a topic I am interested in and choose to follow on this forum. This derailment is a topic I have no interest arguing. I tried to answer tdj's question, but that's all.

I just asked that question in relation to Chad and lori and the dead kids. It's obvious that they are guilty of shedding innocent blood even if they didn't physically do the deed. It was planned out, which is the same thing, and I'm just curious on whether or not according to doctrine, if chad and lori are going to be cast into outer darkness?

[farmerchick]

His reputation is ruined because of his behavior and what has been exposed. He is trying to do damage control.

You all are clearly delusional about all of this. If the truth walked up and bit you you would deny it.

Haha.....clearly some on this thread are....but I can assure you I'm as clear headed as they come......sober and not blinded by the scales most of the followers of these people have in their eyes....obviously your another friend of the associates listed in the chad and lori cult
...the end did not come on July 22....but it is on the way......and the children were found dead on Chad's ranchette....unfortunately there is that heinous detail.....delusional kool aid is all around right now.....I'd suggest putting down the glass, reevaluate and get back to us....#dontdrinkthekoolaid

So you're a mind reader? Along with most others on this thread. I choose to look at facts rather than wishful thinking. I'm not denying any of the facts that law enforcement has released. But you go ahead and continue to read my mind....

Well it looks like you accused all of us including me as being delusional..so right back at ya...are you a mind reader???? I will say I'm seasoned and can clearly spot sketchy dishonest people if that's the motive....I can tell you that the facts speak from the ground in this case...I call also tell you wishful thinking isnt going to bring back tammy Charles jj and tylee... I can also tell you chad and lori were plotting this disaster from the facts that have been presented... and I can clearly sense when others try to demean and detract or try to change the narrative In regard to this thread....so ya....there is still time to make a change...#thinkforyourself

Edit to add; you dont have to be a mind reader to see what's going on here...you do have to look, comprehend, and think for yourself......js....

[creator]

Based on Dent's first comment I would assume they are only referring to the discussion about Hector Sosa.

@Dent, Hector Sosa was addressing rumors about what had allegedly been said about him on LDSFF without even citing any actual evidence. Obviously he's been misinformed about what was specifically said. No one here was calling him a meth dealer. He also addressed other claims, again with zero citations. It helps to get the facts straight first. Sosa was certainly being called out for other things on this forum.

[Lizzy60]

Since reading what Lizzy posted...I am wondering about his ecclesiastical leaders are they all in with him....???? I mean he says they believe him when he tells them he's just a regular Joe Mormon.....Sosa clearly defended the murderers and the cult beliefs....soooo what's really going on here?

His reputation is ruined because of his behavior and what has been exposed. He is trying to do damage control.

You all are clearly delusional about all of this. If the truth walked up and bit you you would deny it.

Hi Dent, Lizzy here. It looks like you are responding to the conversation about Hector Sosa. I will remind you that we have a screenshot of his where he said that he was deleting and shutting down the entire Pathway To Zion forum/group/website/cult/whatever, and he asked his followers to delete and destroy everything they had pertaining to his Pathway To Zion website/group, and then warned them to never talk about any of their fringe beliefs at church because leaders would be on the lookout for others who believed stuff Chad believed (and Hector believed) and they needed to keep their temple recommends at all costs, because access to the temples was important.

Of course you probably know all this, being a member of his special group and all.

[creator]

Here's the link to that post with the Sosa screenshots

[DesertWonderer2]

Since reading what Lizzy posted...I am wondering about his ecclesiastical leaders are they all in with him....???? I mean he says they believe him when he tells them he's just a regular Joe Mormon.....Sosa clearly defended the murderers and the cult beliefs....soooo what's really going on here?

His reputation is ruined because of his behavior and what has been exposed. He is trying to do damage control.

You all are clearly delusional about all of this. If the truth walked up and bit you you would deny it.

FWIW, I’ve read Sosa’s book, listened to his radio interviews, was a member of PTZ for a time and read other posts of his.

It would be helpful if you were to be specific about what people on this thread were delusional. Also please specify what truths they are not seeing.

[Connie561]

Bible verses related to Mediums from the King James Version (KJV) by Relevance - Sort By Book Order


Leviticus 19:31 - Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I [am] the LORD your God.

Isaiah 8:19 - And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?

Deuteronomy 18:9-12 - When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations. (Read More...)

Leviticus 20:6 - And the soul that turneth after such as have familiar spirits, and after wizards, to go a whoring after them, I will even set my face against that soul, and will cut him off from among his people.

https://medium.com/@hectorsosajr/both-t ... 83501c3709

[farmerchick]

Since reading what Lizzy posted...I am wondering about his ecclesiastical leaders are they all in with him....???? I mean he says they believe him when he tells them he's just a regular Joe Mormon.....Sosa clearly defended the murderers and the cult beliefs....soooo what's really going on here?

His reputation is ruined because of his behavior and what has been exposed. He is trying to do damage control.

You all are clearly delusional about all of this. If the truth walked up and bit you you would deny it.

FWIW, I’ve read Sosa’s book, listened to his radio interviews, was a member of PTZ for a time and read other posts of his.

It would be helpful if you were to be specific about what people on this thread were delusional. Also please specify what truths they are not seeing.

I'm not a mind reader, but it looks to me like dent was calling me and Connie out specifically for commenting about sosa....but further and more generally, dent said that "you all are clearly delusional about all of this". I take him at his words which to me......"all of this" means this thread and the assertions made about the people involved including sosa who said in the last post we were discussing, that he had friends on the forum feeding him information about what was said here. It occurred to me after reading from Sosa's own post about his ecclesiastical leaders that perhaps more people were involved in the "hydra" that is this twisted and tangled forlorn movement that has produced several dead bodies of spouses and children. I guess dent thought that it would be good to classify myself and Connie for asking the questions and giving an answer, as delusional.....it is noteworthy that sosa said, he has friends on ldsff feeding him info.....even if the info he stated wasn't on the thread...soooooo ya...it's all kinda sketchy and the truth seems inconvenient.......so unless dent wants to clarify.....I mean when you use words like "all" twice in one sentence.....that's pretty "all" inclusive in my anti mind reading mind......but dent, feel free to set us straight about what you really meant........I did ask the question about what was really going on here because I don't know.....maybe you do................

[Connie561]

His reputation is ruined because of his behavior and what has been exposed. He is trying to do damage control.

You all are clearly delusional about all of this. If the truth walked up and bit you you would deny it.

FWIW, I’ve read Sosa’s book, listened to his radio interviews, was a member of PTZ for a time and read other posts of his.

It would be helpful if you were to be specific about what people on this thread were delusional. Also please specify what truths they are not seeing.

I'm not a mind reader, but it looks to me like dent was calling me and Connie out specifically for commenting about sosa....but further and more generally, dent said that "you all are clearly delusional about all of this". I take him at his words which to me......"all of this" means this thread and the assertions made about the people involved including sosa who said in the last post we were discussing, that he had friends on the forum feeding him information about what was said here. It occurred to me after reading from Sosa's own post about his ecclesiastical leaders that perhaps more people were involved in the "hydra" that is this twisted and tangled forlorn movement that has produced several dead bodies of spouses and children. I guess dent thought that it would be good to classify myself and Connie for asking the questions and giving an answer, as delusional.....it is noteworthy that sosa said, he has friends on ldsff feeding him info.....even if the info he stated wasn't on the thread...soooooo ya...it's all kinda sketchy and the truth seems inconvenient.......so unless dent wants to clarify.....I mean when you use words like "all" twice in one sentence.....that's pretty "all" inclusive in my anti mind reading mind......but dent, feel free to set us straight about what you really meant........I did ask the question about what was really going on here because I don't know.....maybe you do................

I think you scared him off. That blog that Lizzy60 posted of Hector being Joe Mormon, then he set up a blog about him being a medium....really? No Christian would call themselves a medium. You pegged him for being sketchy and he could not defend himself and took off.

Edit: I also think The Creator scared him off, too.

[farmerchick]

You all are clearly delusional about all of this. If the truth walked up and bit you you would deny it.

FWIW, I’ve read Sosa’s book, listened to his radio interviews, was a member of PTZ for a time and read other posts of his.

It would be helpful if you were to be specific about what people on this thread were delusional. Also please specify what truths they are not seeing.

I'm not a mind reader, but it looks to me like dent was calling me and Connie out specifically for commenting about sosa....but further and more generally, dent said that "you all are clearly delusional about all of this". I take him at his words which to me......"all of this" means this thread and the assertions made about the people involved including sosa who said in the last post we were discussing, that he had friends on the forum feeding him information about what was said here. It occurred to me after reading from Sosa's own post about his ecclesiastical leaders that perhaps more people were involved in the "hydra" that is this twisted and tangled forlorn movement that has produced several dead bodies of spouses and children. I guess dent thought that it would be good to classify myself and Connie for asking the questions and giving an answer, as delusional.....it is noteworthy that sosa said, he has friends on ldsff feeding him info.....even if the info he stated wasn't on the thread...soooooo ya...it's all kinda sketchy and the truth seems inconvenient.......so unless dent wants to clarify.....I mean when you use words like "all" twice in one sentence.....that's pretty "all" inclusive in my anti mind reading mind......but dent, feel free to set us straight about what you really meant........I did ask the question about what was really going on here because I don't know.....maybe you do................

I think you scared him off. That blog that Lizzy60 posted of Hector being Joe Mormon, then he set up a blog about him being a medium....really? No Christian would call themselves a medium. You pegged him for being sketchy and he could not defend himself and took off.

Edit: I also think The Creator scared him off, too.

Lol............Back to angry birds for me.....lol

[inho]

he set up a blog about him being a medium....really? No Christian would call themselves a medium.

Connie, I am confused. Where did Sosa call himself a medium? If you refer to the name of the webpage medium.com, that is not set up by Sosa and has nothing to do with communicating with spirits. That webpage uses the word medium as plural of media or perhaps as means of effecting or conveying something. If you refer to something else, please explain, because I missed it.

[Connie561]

he set up a blog about him being a medium....really? No Christian would call themselves a medium.

Connie, I am confused. Where did Sosa call himself a medium? If you refer to the name of the webpage medium.com, that is not set up by Sosa and has nothing to do with communicating with spirits. That webpage uses the word medium as plural of media or perhaps as means of effecting or conveying something. If you refer to something else, please explain, because I missed it.

Medium has nothing to do with media. He is advertising himself as a psychic medium. You can Google it and look up for yourself how psychic mediums work. If you look at his book, "A Change Is Coming", name one thing any Latter-day prophet has said in that book. He has called himself a visionary when it comes to the last days and as many on this forum have pointed out 22 July came and went. Sosa has made these predictions before. Have you noticed how none of our prophets have given a date? Chad and company do not believe baptism is necessary to belong to a church, since they belong to the church of the first born. Jesus never taught that you do not need to be baptized. Why don't you compare their teachings to what the scriptures teach or words of the prophets and you will find one lie after another. Let's talk about their predictions have any come true? No. Chad, Melanie Gibb, Julie, Hector are deceiving people and that is what Satan does.

[inho]

I don't like Hector Sosa or what he is doing, so I feel bad defending him. But I don't like fake news either. Hector is already claiming that we here on LDSFF are calling him meth dealer. Let's not give him any valid reasons to talk bad about us.

Medium has nothing to do with media. He is advertising himself as a psychic medium.

Where does he call himself a medium?
You linked to something he wrote in medium.com. Here is Wikipedia on that page and you can check the page for yourself to see that it is not about psychics:

Medium is an online publishing platform developed by Evan Williams and launched in August 2012. It is owned by A Medium Corporation. The platform is an example of social journalism, having a hybrid collection of amateur and professional people and publications, or exclusive blogs or publishers on Medium, and is regularly regarded as a blog host.

Here is a link to dictionary definition of the word medium: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/medium

[Connie561]

I don't like Hector Sosa or what he is doing, so I feel bad defending him. But I don't like fake news either. Hector is already claiming that we here on LDSFF are calling him meth dealer. Let's not give him any valid reasons to talk bad about us.

Medium has nothing to do with media. He is advertising himself as a psychic medium.

Where does he call himself a medium?
You linked to something he wrote in medium.com. Here is Wikipedia on that page and you can check the page for yourself to see that it is not about psychics:

Medium is an online publishing platform developed by Evan Williams and launched in August 2012. It is owned by A Medium Corporation. The platform is an example of social journalism, having a hybrid collection of amateur and professional people and publications, or exclusive blogs or publishers on Medium, and is regularly regarded as a blog host.

Here is a link to dictionary definition of the word medium: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/medium

On your link to the definition of medium look at d and e. You will find how Chad and company use the word medium. I agree there are multiple ways one word can be used. They have told everyone that they are visionaries and Chad is a prophet. Hector defends Chad and Julie's beliefs and has included himself.

I think Hectors remarks about this forum are a product of a vain and foolish imagination.

[endlessQuestions]

I don't like Hector Sosa or what he is doing, so I feel bad defending him. But I don't like fake news either. Hector is already claiming that we here on LDSFF are calling him meth dealer. Let's not give him any valid reasons to talk bad about us.

Medium has nothing to do with media. He is advertising himself as a psychic medium.

Where does he call himself a medium?
You linked to something he wrote in medium.com. Here is Wikipedia on that page and you can check the page for yourself to see that it is not about psychics:

Medium is an online publishing platform developed by Evan Williams and launched in August 2012. It is owned by A Medium Corporation. The platform is an example of social journalism, having a hybrid collection of amateur and professional people and publications, or exclusive blogs or publishers on Medium, and is regularly regarded as a blog host.

Here is a link to dictionary definition of the word medium: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/medium

On your link to the definition of medium look at d and e. You will find how Chad and company use the word medium. I agree there are multiple ways one word can be used. They have told everyone that they are visionaries and Chad is a prophet. Hector defends Chad and Julie's beliefs and has included himself.

I think Hectors remarks about this forum are a product of a vain and foolish imagination.

Hector Sosa is a deluded caricature, and nothing more. Oh, and a liar. That, too.

[Lizzy60]

I have been listening to a new podcast series on the Daybell case. It’s done by a married couple. He is a psychologist and she is a journalist, and they delve into the motives, beliefs, and psychology issues with Chad and Lori, and what may have led them to where they are today. So far, 5 episodes in, they have mostly talked about Chad.

The podcast is called Hidden: A True Crime Podcast

In the most recent episode, they said they have talked to some people who are pretty clued in on what Chad believes. Based on this, they discussed the fact that Chad watched from his car while they were digging up his backyard, and then started driving away as soon as JJ’s body was uncovered. Why didn’t he leave sooner, we all wondered. Well, they surmised that Chad is so tied in to his belief system, that he may have believed that unseen angels would keep the remains of the children from being found, or that he would be able to make a clean getaway with divine help. He may still believe that supernatural help will release him from jail, or that end-times catastrophes will occur that will set him free and enable him to complete his calling. Belief can be very powerful.

[Juliet]

https://youtu.be/1uuPERMMSAI

They just started their lunch break and will be back in an hour.

I am thinking about how important is our agency. We get to choose if we will listen to the Holy Spirit as it witnesses truth or if we harden our hearts to it.

[Lizzy60]

https://youtu.be/1uuPERMMSAI

They just started their lunch break and will be back in an hour.

I am thinking about how important is our agency. We get to choose if we will listen to the Holy Spirit as it witnesses truth or if we harden our hearts to it.

Here is a link for those who want to read real-time updates instead of listening. Nate Eaton is summarizing every 5 minutes or so.

https://www.eastidahonews.com/2020/08/l ... continues/

[inho]

Here is a link for those who want to read real-time updates instead of listening. Nate Eaton is summarizing every 5 minutes or so.

https://www.eastidahonews.com/2020/08/l ... continues/

Reading the description of the bodies is just horrible. These were two innocent children.

[EmmaLee]

So we've learned that Chad and Lori were in fact legally married on November 5th. I know there was some question about that. Many people thought the "ceremony" on the beach wasn't a legal wedding as there were no witnesses (other than the person marrying them) - but maybe that's not required in Hawaii. And it caused people to wonder with how the judges everywhere seemed to only refer to Lori as "Miss Vallow" instead of Mrs. Daybell. But Wood showed the marriage certificate today, so that has been answered once and for all.

[Lizzy60]

So we've learned that Chad and Lori were in fact legally married on November 5th. I know there was some question about that. Many people thought the "ceremony" on the beach wasn't a legal wedding as there were no witnesses (other than the person marrying them) - but maybe that's not required in Hawaii. And it caused people to wonder with how the judges everywhere seemed to only refer to Lori as "Miss Vallow" instead of Mrs. Daybell. But Wood showed the marriage certificate today, so that has been answered once and for all.

There was also a photographer, and maybe one witness was enough, or the photographer brought along another person. It is good to know for sure now.

I’m guessing Chori are wishing those photos hadn’t been taken and then made public.

[EmmaLee]

Here is a link for those who want to read real-time updates instead of listening. Nate Eaton is summarizing every 5 minutes or so.

https://www.eastidahonews.com/2020/08/l ... continues/

Reading the description of the bodies is just horrible. These were two innocent children.

It is so sad and horrific what they did to those two children. Absolutely heartbreaking.

Reading how much tape was covering JJ, and especially covering his mouth, really makes me wonder how he was killed. Why cover someone's mouth with duct tape unless they're screaming or crying out? I've been thinking they were murdered after drugging them to sleep - now I doubt that, otherwise, why was JJ's mouth taped shut? Also, the fact that his wrists and ankles were bound with duct tape - makes me think he was struggling.

From the hearing -

"Hermosillo says duct tape was covering the child’s mouth and his hands were folded about chest high. He had duct tape continuously wrapped around his body. Hermosillo says “he had a ball of duct tape over where his hands would be.” Hermosillo says the child was JJ Vallow and his wrists were bound with duct tape. JJ’s ankles were also bound with duct tape. Hermosillo says he observed the second autopsy with charred flesh and bone later that afternoon. Wood says he is done questioning and John Prior will now ask questions.

10:55 a.m. Hermosillo discussing the autopsies in Ada County. He was in the room with other officials. He says the Medical Examiner grabbed a sharp instrument and cut down the middle of the black plastic bag. Hermosillo says he observed a small child in red pajamas – red pajama shirt and pants – along with Skechers socks. A white and blue blanket had been placed on top of him. Hermosillo says the amount of duct tape covering the body – on the head, arms and feet – was noticeable. His head had a white plastic bag over it – an expandable type of trash bag. The duct tape was tightly wrapped around from his chin to forehead – several layers tightly wrapped.