News about Chad Daybell (and Lori Vallow)

[inho]

‘My cousins are beautiful souls.’ Melani Pawlowski releases message expressing love for JJ and Tylee

Clearly I don’t have all the details..we are all just doing the best we can. Without having knowledge or actual evidence to the contrary, we chose to go with what we hoped and believed. I couldn’t go back and say anything different- it was what I knew…it was what I experienced.

While wanting to have every answer and all the missing puzzle pieces, I know the Lord knows all and He has a way of healing and making things right in His time. I’m grateful it is His job to judge, not ours.

[Lizzy60]

Eric Smith (you remember him, right?) tries to distance himself from Chad and Lori.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzhp5uh_bgY

I’m not buying it, not a bit. He’s the guy who fawns over Julie and really seems to believe every word out of Julie’s mouth on the podcasts they do from their cars.

During the interview the scroll bar states that Eric said he was excommunicated a couple weeks ago.

[EmmaLee]

‘My cousins are beautiful souls.’ Melani Pawlowski releases message expressing love for JJ and Tylee

Clearly I don’t have all the details..we are all just doing the best we can. Without having knowledge or actual evidence to the contrary, we chose to go with what we hoped and believed. I couldn’t go back and say anything different- it was what I knew…it was what I experienced.

While wanting to have every answer and all the missing puzzle pieces, I know the Lord knows all and He has a way of healing and making things right in His time. I’m grateful it is His job to judge, not ours.

Fascinating, and quite sickening. Lori's niece, Melani, did NOTHING to help with this case, or to find the children. In fact, while the children were still 'missing', and when police asked her if she knew where they were, she replied, "I've never been close with Tylee, so I don't know where she is." Yet now, she claims to be oh so sad that she's dead?? Melani Pawlowski is a charlatan, and like Lori's mother and sister who were interviewed and said the children were "alive and fine" (when they were, in fact, cold and dead and buried in Chad's backyard) - she's a liar. When all is said and done and revealed, I have zero doubt, Miss Melani Pawlowski will be found to be MUCH more involved in all these heinous activities and crimes. Her feigning sorrow that the two children are dead is revolting.

[EmmaLee]

If Melanie’s account is true, I could tell you one early place where Chad went wrong: pendulum divination. Many years ago after first learning of it, the Lord specifically warned me against that medium as a means of gaining revelation. Never touched it again.

Then surely you understand and accept that others on this forum have received warnings from the Lord specifically about other beliefs and "doctrines" discussed in this thread and pertinent to this case.

[EmmaLee]

Eric Smith (you remember him, right?) tries to distance himself from Chad and Lori.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzhp5uh_bgY

I’m not buying it, not a bit. He’s the guy who fawns over Julie and really seems to believe every word out of Julie’s mouth on the podcasts they do from their cars.

During the interview the scroll bar states that Eric said he was excommunicated a couple weeks ago.

The only surprise here is why it took so long to excommunicate him, when he's been hook, line, and sinker 100% in with Rowe and publicly preaching the same false doctrines she has been preaching for several years. Guess they must move slower in Idaho, or maybe it's because he was a professor at BYUI (more embarrassing for the Church).

I'm not buying his trying to distance himself from Chad and Lori either. He and Julie are Chad and Lori 2.0 - or maybe 'lite', if you will (minus the murders). The woodwork sure is releasing all of its creepy-crawlies all of a sudden....

[Lizzy60]

‘My cousins are beautiful souls.’ Melani Pawlowski releases message expressing love for JJ and Tylee

Clearly I don’t have all the details..we are all just doing the best we can. Without having knowledge or actual evidence to the contrary, we chose to go with what we hoped and believed. I couldn’t go back and say anything different- it was what I knew…it was what I experienced.

While wanting to have every answer and all the missing puzzle pieces, I know the Lord knows all and He has a way of healing and making things right in His time. I’m grateful it is His job to judge, not ours.

Fascinating, and quite sickening. Lori's niece, Melani, did NOTHING to help with this case, or to find the children. In fact, while the children were still 'missing', and when police asked her if she knew where they were, she replied, "I've never been close with Tylee, so I don't know where she is." Yet now, she claims to be oh so sad that she's dead?? Melani Pawlowski is a charlatan, and like Lori's mother and sister who were interviewed and said the children were "alive and fine" (when they were, in fact, cold and dead and buried in Chad's backyard) - she's a liar. When all is said and done and revealed, I have zero doubt, Miss Melani Pawlowski will be found to be MUCH more involved in all these heinous activities and crimes. Her feigning sorrow that the two children are dead is revolving.

Also, Melani divorced her husband (he had no idea anything was wrong in their marriage) and abandoned her children to move to Rexburg and within two weeks get a quickie marriage to one of the Chad Cult members. She is in this up to her neck. She obviously believes in MMP and zombies, as she tried to have her husband killed because he was a zombie. She needs to be excommunicated by the Church and prosecuted on multiple charges.

[justme]

If Melanie’s account is true, I could tell you one early place where Chad went wrong: pendulum divination. Many years ago after first learning of it, the Lord specifically warned me against that medium as a means of gaining revelation. Never touched it again.

Then surely you understand and accept that others on this forum have received warnings from the Lord specifically about other beliefs and "doctrines" discussed in this thread and pertinent to this case.

I remember as a young missionary being very surprised at all the Jews while tracting that were teaching me about their belief in reincarnation. I thought reincarnation was just an eastern or hindu belief. But it occurred to me how effective of a false belief from the adversary that MMP, as it is called here, really is. If this life doesn't work out, no worries you just have the next one. Back then it never occurred to me how dangerous such nonsense could be in the hands of people like Daybell. To me MMP is a horrible false doctrine. It is sad that it's evil head arises from time to time (like with the Orson Whitney story or this current cult or other small cliques)

[OCDMOM]

I am still wondering who told the Police and FBI where the bodies could be found. They were digging in a specific spot.

[inho]

To me MMP is a horrible false doctrine. It is sad that it's evil head arises from time to time (like with the Orson Whitney story or this current cult or other small cliques)

Thanks for reminding about the Orson Whitney story. Here is a post I wrote about it for some time ago:

Dennis B. Horne has written an interesting article about a false prophet. The post can be found on Horne's blog, but it is also cross-posted in FairMormon's blog:
The Strange Saga of a False Prophet: Charles W. Stayner, Orson F. Whitney, and George Q. Cannon
The article is based mostly on Orson F. Whitney's journal entries. For some time, Whitney was persuaded by Charles W. Stayner, who was a self-proclaimed prophet. Horne compares him to Denver Snuffer. Stayner believed in reincarnation (that is the term used in Whitney's journal, a more accurate description would be 'multiple mortal probations'). Stayner's and Whitney's activities were revealed to the church leaders. Prophets and apostles condemned the doctrine of multiple mortal probations time after time in a clear manner.

I recommend the article for those interested in church history. It is quite long, but worth reading.

[EmmaLee]

‘My cousins are beautiful souls.’ Melani Pawlowski releases message expressing love for JJ and Tylee

Clearly I don’t have all the details..we are all just doing the best we can. Without having knowledge or actual evidence to the contrary, we chose to go with what we hoped and believed. I couldn’t go back and say anything different- it was what I knew…it was what I experienced.

While wanting to have every answer and all the missing puzzle pieces, I know the Lord knows all and He has a way of healing and making things right in His time. I’m grateful it is His job to judge, not ours.

Fascinating, and quite sickening. Lori's niece, Melani, did NOTHING to help with this case, or to find the children. In fact, while the children were still 'missing', and when police asked her if she knew where they were, she replied, "I've never been close with Tylee, so I don't know where she is." Yet now, she claims to be oh so sad that she's dead?? Melani Pawlowski is a charlatan, and like Lori's mother and sister who were interviewed and said the children were "alive and fine" (when they were, in fact, cold and dead and buried in Chad's backyard) - she's a liar. When all is said and done and revealed, I have zero doubt, Miss Melani Pawlowski will be found to be MUCH more involved in all these heinous activities and crimes. Her feigning sorrow that the two children are dead is revolving.

Also, Melani divorced her husband (he had no idea anything was wrong in their marriage) and abandoned her children to move to Rexburg and within two weeks get a quickie marriage to one of the Chad Cult members. She is in this up to her neck. She obviously believes in MMP and zombies, as she tried to have her husband killed because he was a zombie. She needs to be excommunicated by the Church and prosecuted on multiple charges.

Yes, and not only all that, she absolutely was at least aware that her previous husband, Brandon, was being targeted for execution by the group - if not actually driving the hit car (Tylee's Jeep) when he was shot at by Alex. She is most definitely in this up to her neck (and then some).

I truly pray the police/FBI are continuing to look very closely at all these other people who were/are involved in all this - Melani, Ian, Melanie, Zulema, Rowe, Smith, Mow, Sosa, Parrett, Bob ("Singer Guy"), etc. etc. etc. This cult was described many months ago as a "hydra", and that is a very apt description. It really needs to be dealt with soon and thoroughly, or the remaining people will just regroup and find ways to hide their nefarious activities even more. They are the very definition of a secret combination (albeit on a lesser scale than the global ones, obviously - but just as sinister and insidious, and deadly).

[EmmaLee]

I am still wondering who told the Police and FBI where the bodies could be found. They were digging in a specific spot.

I think when Chad applied for a permit this spring to lay a concrete slab for a mobile home over what we now know is the exact spot the children were buried - that was a huge red flag for the police. Then very shortly after Chad applied for that permit, his neighbor called the police to report massive bonfires on the exact spot the slab would have been poured (had he gotten the permit, which he didn't). This all happened within a 2-week time period. At that point, I think police put 2 and 2 together, and determined the kids were most likely buried in that same spot/area. That gave them enough to present to a judge, who then issued the search warrant. Then the morning of the search, the police had a cadaver dog, which would have alerted to an even more localized area, as to where the children's bodies were. That's my theory as of now anyway, with the information we have. I do not believe anyone told police where the bodies were.

[Teancum]

‘My cousins are beautiful souls.’ Melani Pawlowski releases message expressing love for JJ and Tylee

Fascinating, and quite sickening. Lori's niece, Melani, did NOTHING to help with this case, or to find the children. In fact, while the children were still 'missing', and when police asked her if she knew where they were, she replied, "I've never been close with Tylee, so I don't know where she is." Yet now, she claims to be oh so sad that she's dead?? Melani Pawlowski is a charlatan, and like Lori's mother and sister who were interviewed and said the children were "alive and fine" (when they were, in fact, cold and dead and buried in Chad's backyard) - she's a liar. When all is said and done and revealed, I have zero doubt, Miss Melani Pawlowski will be found to be MUCH more involved in all these heinous activities and crimes. Her feigning sorrow that the two children are dead is revolving.

Also, Melani divorced her husband (he had no idea anything was wrong in their marriage) and abandoned her children to move to Rexburg and within two weeks get a quickie marriage to one of the Chad Cult members. She is in this up to her neck. She obviously believes in MMP and zombies, as she tried to have her husband killed because he was a zombie. She needs to be excommunicated by the Church and prosecuted on multiple charges.

Yes, and not only all that, she absolutely was at least aware that her previous husband, Brandon, was being targeted for execution by the group - if not actually driving the hit car (Tylee's Jeep) when he was shot at by Alex. She is most definitely in this up to her neck (and then some).

I truly pray the police/FBI are continuing to look very closely at all these other people who were/are involved in all this - Melani, Ian, Melanie, Zulema, Rowe, Smith, Mow, Sosa, Parrett, Bob ("Singer Guy"), etc. etc. etc. This cult was described many months ago as a "hydra", and that is a very apt description. It really needs to be dealt with soon and thoroughly, or the remaining people will just regroup and find ways to hide their nefarious activities even more. They are the very definition of a secret combination (albeit on a lesser scale than the global ones, obviously - but just as sinister and insidious, and deadly).

So if they are guilty by association, some of them have posted here on this forum. How far are you willing to have this witch hunt go?

[endlessQuestions]

I am still wondering who told the Police and FBI where the bodies could be found. They were digging in a specific spot.

I don’t know but they deserve a medal.

[farmerchick]

Fascinating, and quite sickening. Lori's niece, Melani, did NOTHING to help with this case, or to find the children. In fact, while the children were still 'missing', and when police asked her if she knew where they were, she replied, "I've never been close with Tylee, so I don't know where she is." Yet now, she claims to be oh so sad that she's dead?? Melani Pawlowski is a charlatan, and like Lori's mother and sister who were interviewed and said the children were "alive and fine" (when they were, in fact, cold and dead and buried in Chad's backyard) - she's a liar. When all is said and done and revealed, I have zero doubt, Miss Melani Pawlowski will be found to be MUCH more involved in all these heinous activities and crimes. Her feigning sorrow that the two children are dead is revolving.

Also, Melani divorced her husband (he had no idea anything was wrong in their marriage) and abandoned her children to move to Rexburg and within two weeks get a quickie marriage to one of the Chad Cult members. She is in this up to her neck. She obviously believes in MMP and zombies, as she tried to have her husband killed because he was a zombie. She needs to be excommunicated by the Church and prosecuted on multiple charges.

Yes, and not only all that, she absolutely was at least aware that her previous husband, Brandon, was being targeted for execution by the group - if not actually driving the hit car (Tylee's Jeep) when he was shot at by Alex. She is most definitely in this up to her neck (and then some).

I truly pray the police/FBI are continuing to look very closely at all these other people who were/are involved in all this - Melani, Ian, Melanie, Zulema, Rowe, Smith, Mow, Sosa, Parrett, Bob ("Singer Guy"), etc. etc. etc. This cult was described many months ago as a "hydra", and that is a very apt description. It really needs to be dealt with soon and thoroughly, or the remaining people will just regroup and find ways to hide their nefarious activities even more. They are the very definition of a secret combination (albeit on a lesser scale than the global ones, obviously - but just as sinister and insidious, and deadly).

So if they are guilty by association, some of them have posted here on this forum. How far are you willing to have this witch hunt go?

Interesting that the term "witch hunt" is used as I'm pretty sure that's what this will turn into...….melanie gibb says chad was using a pendulum to get answers. I didn't know what that was and still am not 100 percent educated on it. but from what I read it is similar to a Ouija board. So now I'm getting a better idea of why those who are involved with this belief system don't like what Melanie has said. Also why the proponents here on ldsff so want to control the narrative. Naturally the use of the dark arts which would include the Ouija board and the pendulum would go along with the mmp theories. now I'm not involved with the dark arts or new age belief system, but it appears to me that's what we are dipping our toes in with melanie gibbs information. Maybe some here who understand how to use the pendulum can educate us on why this would be used by Chad. I've been wondering why some would post on this thread and try to shut down some of us....now i'm beginning to understand...….I wonder how far and widespread these practices are by the temple recommend holding members and isn't it interesting that the temples have been closed...……..secret combinations indeed!!!!

[endlessQuestions]

Fascinating, and quite sickening. Lori's niece, Melani, did NOTHING to help with this case, or to find the children. In fact, while the children were still 'missing', and when police asked her if she knew where they were, she replied, "I've never been close with Tylee, so I don't know where she is." Yet now, she claims to be oh so sad that she's dead?? Melani Pawlowski is a charlatan, and like Lori's mother and sister who were interviewed and said the children were "alive and fine" (when they were, in fact, cold and dead and buried in Chad's backyard) - she's a liar. When all is said and done and revealed, I have zero doubt, Miss Melani Pawlowski will be found to be MUCH more involved in all these heinous activities and crimes. Her feigning sorrow that the two children are dead is revolving.

Also, Melani divorced her husband (he had no idea anything was wrong in their marriage) and abandoned her children to move to Rexburg and within two weeks get a quickie marriage to one of the Chad Cult members. She is in this up to her neck. She obviously believes in MMP and zombies, as she tried to have her husband killed because he was a zombie. She needs to be excommunicated by the Church and prosecuted on multiple charges.

Yes, and not only all that, she absolutely was at least aware that her previous husband, Brandon, was being targeted for execution by the group - if not actually driving the hit car (Tylee's Jeep) when he was shot at by Alex. She is most definitely in this up to her neck (and then some).

I truly pray the police/FBI are continuing to look very closely at all these other people who were/are involved in all this - Melani, Ian, Melanie, Zulema, Rowe, Smith, Mow, Sosa, Parrett, Bob ("Singer Guy"), etc. etc. etc. This cult was described many months ago as a "hydra", and that is a very apt description. It really needs to be dealt with soon and thoroughly, or the remaining people will just regroup and find ways to hide their nefarious activities even more. They are the very definition of a secret combination (albeit on a lesser scale than the global ones, obviously - but just as sinister and insidious, and deadly).

So if they are guilty by association, some of them have posted here on this forum. How far are you willing to have this witch hunt go?

I’m not sure it’s a witch hunt to follow up on the behaviors of people associated with suspected muderers... I’d call it due diligence.

I sincerely hope they don’t find anything else, but if I were the police, I’d be taking a long, hard look at these associates of the suspects.

[EmmaLee]

Fascinating, and quite sickening. Lori's niece, Melani, did NOTHING to help with this case, or to find the children. In fact, while the children were still 'missing', and when police asked her if she knew where they were, she replied, "I've never been close with Tylee, so I don't know where she is." Yet now, she claims to be oh so sad that she's dead?? Melani Pawlowski is a charlatan, and like Lori's mother and sister who were interviewed and said the children were "alive and fine" (when they were, in fact, cold and dead and buried in Chad's backyard) - she's a liar. When all is said and done and revealed, I have zero doubt, Miss Melani Pawlowski will be found to be MUCH more involved in all these heinous activities and crimes. Her feigning sorrow that the two children are dead is revolving.

Also, Melani divorced her husband (he had no idea anything was wrong in their marriage) and abandoned her children to move to Rexburg and within two weeks get a quickie marriage to one of the Chad Cult members. She is in this up to her neck. She obviously believes in MMP and zombies, as she tried to have her husband killed because he was a zombie. She needs to be excommunicated by the Church and prosecuted on multiple charges.

Yes, and not only all that, she absolutely was at least aware that her previous husband, Brandon, was being targeted for execution by the group - if not actually driving the hit car (Tylee's Jeep) when he was shot at by Alex. She is most definitely in this up to her neck (and then some).

I truly pray the police/FBI are continuing to look very closely at all these other people who were/are involved in all this - Melani, Ian, Melanie, Zulema, Rowe, Smith, Mow, Sosa, Parrett, Bob ("Singer Guy"), etc. etc. etc. This cult was described many months ago as a "hydra", and that is a very apt description. It really needs to be dealt with soon and thoroughly, or the remaining people will just regroup and find ways to hide their nefarious activities even more. They are the very definition of a secret combination (albeit on a lesser scale than the global ones, obviously - but just as sinister and insidious, and deadly).

So if they are guilty by association, some of them have posted here on this forum. How far are you willing to have this witch hunt go?

These are CRIMES that have been committed, and there needs to be an investigation into who aided and abetted - unless of course, you think Chad and Lori did all this all by themselves (which they did not, as has been shown plenty on this thread). If you are unfamiliar with the entirety of the case, perhaps learn more before making such comments. If some of these cult members are posting on LDSFF, as you say (and how would you know this???) it would make sense that they want us to stop talking about it. Perhaps Chad's and Lori's diabolical reach is even bigger than we thought...

[capctr]

So how about circling back around too where this all started. Was it a pre-Snuffer movement? The weird obsession with NDEs, and/or the last days? I am pretty sure it is these and more, culminating into multiple, demented cesspools of pseudo-spiritual bs. However, in my opinion, THIS particular dark pile of manure has it’s origins with the likes of “Spenser’s” fairytale, Sousa’s #metooNDE, and last, but certainly not least: Julie Rowe and her personal brand of sociopathic, attention whore idiocy...huh! Whadya know? By their fruits you really CAN know them...I can’t BELIEVE I actually some of this garbage interesting once upon a time.
I may no longer be overly fascinated by last day’s notions, but I have to be careful not to get too cynical.
Time to thank the Lord for the prophet.

[jmack]

So how about circling back around too where this all started. Was it a pre-Snuffer movement? The weird obsession with NDEs, and/or the last days? I am pretty sure it is these and more, culminating into multiple, demented cesspools of pseudo-spiritual bs. However, in my opinion, THIS particular dark pile of manure has it’s origins with the likes of “Spenser’s” fairytale, Sousa’s #metooNDE, and last, but certainly not least: Julie Rowe and her personal brand of sociopathic, attention whore idiocy...huh! Whadya know? By their fruits you really CAN know them...I can’t BELIEVE I actually some of this garbage interesting once upon a time.
I may no longer be overly fascinated by last day’s notions, but I have to be careful not to get too cynical.
Time to thank the Lord for the prophet.

The prepper/dreams, doomsday cult is pre-snuffer, but many of them fell for Snuffer, at least to listen and agree with some of what he was teaching, such as MMP. Chad's claims of opening portals, his idea of being in charge of the 144,000 and gathering them, Lor'i's belief that she was a translated being, the prominent role of energy healing in their lives, points to Spencer's 'Visions of glory', Mike Stroud's version of energy healing, and Rowe and Sousa's claims of tribulations etc. As Emmalee mentioned, it's been compared to a many headed hydra, and that's for sure. A lot of this is intertwined and I think spawned a lot of it too.

[jmack]

Fascinating, and quite sickening. Lori's niece, Melani, did NOTHING to help with this case, or to find the children. In fact, while the children were still 'missing', and when police asked her if she knew where they were, she replied, "I've never been close with Tylee, so I don't know where she is." Yet now, she claims to be oh so sad that she's dead?? Melani Pawlowski is a charlatan, and like Lori's mother and sister who were interviewed and said the children were "alive and fine" (when they were, in fact, cold and dead and buried in Chad's backyard) - she's a liar. When all is said and done and revealed, I have zero doubt, Miss Melani Pawlowski will be found to be MUCH more involved in all these heinous activities and crimes. Her feigning sorrow that the two children are dead is revolving.

Also, Melani divorced her husband (he had no idea anything was wrong in their marriage) and abandoned her children to move to Rexburg and within two weeks get a quickie marriage to one of the Chad Cult members. She is in this up to her neck. She obviously believes in MMP and zombies, as she tried to have her husband killed because he was a zombie. She needs to be excommunicated by the Church and prosecuted on multiple charges.

Yes, and not only all that, she absolutely was at least aware that her previous husband, Brandon, was being targeted for execution by the group - if not actually driving the hit car (Tylee's Jeep) when he was shot at by Alex. She is most definitely in this up to her neck (and then some).

I truly pray the police/FBI are continuing to look very closely at all these other people who were/are involved in all this - Melani, Ian, Melanie, Zulema, Rowe, Smith, Mow, Sosa, Parrett, Bob ("Singer Guy"), etc. etc. etc. This cult was described many months ago as a "hydra", and that is a very apt description. It really needs to be dealt with soon and thoroughly, or the remaining people will just regroup and find ways to hide their nefarious activities even more. They are the very definition of a secret combination (albeit on a lesser scale than the global ones, obviously - but just as sinister and insidious, and deadly).

So if they are guilty by association, some of them have posted here on this forum. How far are you willing to have this witch hunt go?

How do you know that some of them have posted here on this forum? Are you an associate of theirs? Are you worried for yourself?

I don't think guilt by association is a problem. Just the one's who know they are also culpable should be concerned, because I don't think they're going to be able to keep hiding, I think law enforcement investigators will be thorough in their searches.

[jmack]

Blaming it on MMP is the equivalent of blaming it on the mainstream LDS belief of resurrection and salvation. By that logic, we should kill all kids before the age of accountability to ensure their place in the celestial kingdom.

This is a case of lust, greed and wickedness. People can find innumerable excuses to justify themselves when those motives are driving them. This case happened to involve MMP. It could just have easily involved mainstream LDS or Christian beliefs.

LDS belief of resurrection and salvation does not lead someone to commit these murders. Belief that you have lived before and you will again could lead to a justification of Murder. Also believing you are saving some soul because they are a level 5 dark spirit could lead to a reason of doing this. So you are wrong I could easily see them doing this because of a belief in MMP.

Except wouldn't Lori or Chad believe that by committing such acts, their next life could be spent as worms or cockroaches? I'm not sure how they would thinking killing them would save them, but then again, that's the type of thing that will get hashed out by law enforcement and come to light at trial.

I don't know about Lori and Chad's version of MMP, but the people on this forum who believe in MMP don't believe anyone comes back as anything but a human being, no coming back as worms or cockroaches. I think that's an eastern religious view of Reincarnation that doesn't quite fit with MMP--which is that humans come back as humans.

As has been explained before, the theory is that Lori and Chad believed that their loved ones' bodies had been taken over by evil disembodied spirits, their own spirits had been kicked out and sent to 'limbo'. Their spirits were in 'limbo' until their physical bodies died, then their spirit would be released, and the assumption is that they would be able to live again in human form on earth (MMP). As you can see, there's not a shred of LDS doctrine in this mess, but apparently, they were preaching this to people they were trying to convert to their brand of religion. So, hopefully this helps you understand how they justified the killings.

[Teancum]

Also, Melani divorced her husband (he had no idea anything was wrong in their marriage) and abandoned her children to move to Rexburg and within two weeks get a quickie marriage to one of the Chad Cult members. She is in this up to her neck. She obviously believes in MMP and zombies, as she tried to have her husband killed because he was a zombie. She needs to be excommunicated by the Church and prosecuted on multiple charges.

Yes, and not only all that, she absolutely was at least aware that her previous husband, Brandon, was being targeted for execution by the group - if not actually driving the hit car (Tylee's Jeep) when he was shot at by Alex. She is most definitely in this up to her neck (and then some).

I truly pray the police/FBI are continuing to look very closely at all these other people who were/are involved in all this - Melani, Ian, Melanie, Zulema, Rowe, Smith, Mow, Sosa, Parrett, Bob ("Singer Guy"), etc. etc. etc. This cult was described many months ago as a "hydra", and that is a very apt description. It really needs to be dealt with soon and thoroughly, or the remaining people will just regroup and find ways to hide their nefarious activities even more. They are the very definition of a secret combination (albeit on a lesser scale than the global ones, obviously - but just as sinister and insidious, and deadly).

So if they are guilty by association, some of them have posted here on this forum. How far are you willing to have this witch hunt go?

These are CRIMES that have been committed, and there needs to be an investigation into who aided and abetted - unless of course, you think Chad and Lori did all this all by themselves (which they did not, as has been shown plenty on this thread). If you are unfamiliar with the entirety of the case, perhaps learn more before making such comments. If some of these cult members are posting on LDSFF, as you say (and how would you know this???) it would make sense that they want us to stop talking about it. Perhaps Chad's and Lori's diabolical reach is even bigger than we thought...

I never said there weren't CRIMES committed, and I am not advocating that the investigation be stopped as others suggest. But, since YOU are praying for it, I am asking YOU how far YOU want this witch hunt to go.
It reminds me of many such occurrences throughout the last 100 years, of which I could enumerate on if need be. .

From what I can recall, but it has been back a few years, I believe Julie R. herself, posted on here claiming this and that. I think I remember at least one other (not of those presently incarcerated) that posted on here as well. If its guilt by association, then all on the LDSFF would be considered guilty just by being on here as this is discussed.

Perhaps you yourself should do more due diligence, before - being filled with emotion - you accuse others with unfounded accusations. I don't think that I need to be any part of the cult you refer to, to know what a witch hunt feels like, or to see the emotion that starts and drives a lynching mob. My ancestors had plenty of that to last for many generations. It would be truly a shame if members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints acted in the same manner as did those who, inflamed with emotion, inflicted so much hurt in generations gone by.

[Teancum]

Also, Melani divorced her husband (he had no idea anything was wrong in their marriage) and abandoned her children to move to Rexburg and within two weeks get a quickie marriage to one of the Chad Cult members. She is in this up to her neck. She obviously bel youieves in MMP and zombies, as she tried to have her husband killed because he was a zombie. She needs to be excommunicated by the Church and prosecuted on multiple charges.

Yes, and not only all that, she absolutely was at least aware that her previous husband, Brandon, was being targeted for execution by the group - if not actually driving the hit car (Tylee's Jeep) when he was shot at by Alex. She is most definitely in this up to her neck (and then some).

I truly pray the police/FBI are continuing to look very closely at all these other people who were/are involved in all this - Melani, Ian, Melanie, Zulema, Rowe, Smith, Mow, Sosa, Parrett, Bob ("Singer Guy"), etc. etc. etc. This cult was described many months ago as a "hydra", and that is a very apt description. It really needs to be dealt with soon and thoroughly, or the remaining people will just regroup and find ways to hide their nefarious activities even more. They are the very definition of a secret combination (albeit on a lesser scale than the global ones, obviously - but just as sinister and insidious, and deadly).

So if they are guilty by association, some of them have posted here on this forum. How far are you willing to have this witch hunt go?

How do you know that some of them have posted here on this forum? Are you an associate of theirs? Are you worried for yourself?

I don't think guilt by association is a problem. Just the one's who know they are also culpable should be concerned, because I don't think they're going to be able to keep hiding, I think law enforcement investigators will be thorough in their searches.

Please see my post to EmmaLee above.

[AlbedoEffect]

John Pontius is part of a cult?
Also, simply speaking about end times and using the reference material we have, which just happens to be VoG and NDEs does not mean the layman is part of any cult. Cults are organized. Me reading a book is not organization. I'm still on the fence about VoG though, tbh. I think there are embellishments, but as a sort of mythic archetypal story, I think it has value. Not in determining end times events, but more of a "hero's journey" sort of fiction.
I certainly wouldn't publish any of my visions to the public...

This case reminds me of the show Sneaky Pete. lol

And I think you guys are trying to extrapolate intent in each other's posts that simply isn't there. Calm down with the finger pointing and the accusations. cough cough teancum

[EmmaLee]

Yes, and not only all that, she absolutely was at least aware that her previous husband, Brandon, was being targeted for execution by the group - if not actually driving the hit car (Tylee's Jeep) when he was shot at by Alex. She is most definitely in this up to her neck (and then some).

I truly pray the police/FBI are continuing to look very closely at all these other people who were/are involved in all this - Melani, Ian, Melanie, Zulema, Rowe, Smith, Mow, Sosa, Parrett, Bob ("Singer Guy"), etc. etc. etc. This cult was described many months ago as a "hydra", and that is a very apt description. It really needs to be dealt with soon and thoroughly, or the remaining people will just regroup and find ways to hide their nefarious activities even more. They are the very definition of a secret combination (albeit on a lesser scale than the global ones, obviously - but just as sinister and insidious, and deadly).

So if they are guilty by association, some of them have posted here on this forum. How far are you willing to have this witch hunt go?

These are CRIMES that have been committed, and there needs to be an investigation into who aided and abetted - unless of course, you think Chad and Lori did all this all by themselves (which they did not, as has been shown plenty on this thread). If you are unfamiliar with the entirety of the case, perhaps learn more before making such comments. If some of these cult members are posting on LDSFF, as you say (and how would you know this???) it would make sense that they want us to stop talking about it. Perhaps Chad's and Lori's diabolical reach is even bigger than we thought...

I never said there weren't CRIMES committed, and I am not advocating that the investigation be stopped as others suggest. But, since YOU are praying for it, I am asking YOU how far YOU want this witch hunt to go.
It reminds me of many such occurrences throughout the last 100 years, of which I could enumerate on if need be. .

From what I can recall, but it has been back a few years, I believe Julie R. herself, posted on here claiming this and that. I think I remember at least one other (not of those presently incarcerated) that posted on here as well. If its guilt by association, then all on the LDSFF would be considered guilty just by being on here as this is discussed.

Perhaps you yourself should do more due diligence, before - being filled with emotion - you accuse others with unfounded accusations. I don't think that I need to be any part of the cult you refer to, to know what a witch hunt feels like, or to see the emotion that starts and drives a lynching mob. My ancestors had plenty of that to last for many generations. It would be truly a shame if members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints acted in the same manner as did those who, inflamed with emotion, inflicted so much hurt in generations gone by.

I am praying for justice for the innocents who have been murdered - like any sane, normal, human being would. Unless you believe murderers should go free, and be allowed to continue murdering? You accuse me of "being filled with emotion" - perhaps you should look at your own post?? I will admit to feeling a range of emotions finding out that two innocent children, and two innocent adults (and very likely more), were murdered by these people - so yeah, I guess I'm a horrible person for feeling sad that this horrific thing happened - or maybe I'm just a human being. Glad you're emotionless and feel nothing for such tragedies. Also, it's shameful you keep using the term "witch hunt". No one on here is advocating for a "witch hunt" - that comes from your own mind, so stop trying to shove it off onto me and others. All I've ever suggested is that this hydra of death (not my term - that term comes from someone in Daybell's group) includes more than just Chad and Lori - and quite honestly, only a fool would think otherwise - and those people should be found and dealt with by the law. If the law isn't interested, or finds them innocent - cool, so be it. Nothing and nobody is going to slide past God.

Yes, several of us who have been here for years remember when Rowe came here for a short time - that was many years ago. I am not aware that anyone else that I've mentioned has ever posted on LDSFF. And don't be ridiculous claiming just because Rowe posted here a couple of times many years ago, that EVERYBODY on LDSFF is "guilty by association" - absolutely absurd. Ted Bundy was a baptized member of the LDS Church - oh no!! that must mean we're ALL, including you, guilty of the crimes Bundy committed. Stop trying to claim I and others have said things, or advocate for things, that we haven't.

Also, you have zero idea of what I know, how I know it, who I know, etc. LDSFF is only one of many places I converse with others (some are blood relatives of the principals) about this case. I share about 1/4 of what I know here - so you have no idea if my accusations are unfounded or not. Shame on you for falsely accusing me (but then, I'm guessing you don't see your own hypocrisy here...). You've done far more accusing towards me than I have towards anyone else. So why don't you take a breather, stop letting your emotions run wild, calm down, stop accusing me of things you have no clue about - and if this thread bothers you, scroll and roll (that's what grown-ups do), or if you don't like what I post, foe me.

[farmerchick]

Seriously....maybe there was Freudian slip using the term "witch hunt" used first by teancum…..and just know I am talking about an actual person who uses items like a pendulum that are employed by those in the dark arts.....associated with witchcraft...sorceries.....palm readers....fortune tellers and anyone else like Chad who would use them. I'd like to hear more about this from the practitioners or former practitioners associated with avow or pap or whatever hydra you formerly or currently subscribe...…..oh ya I forgot secret combinations don't normally spill the beans......hence the secret part.....ya. I'm thinking this is a pretty emotionally charged subject......people on both sides are getting a little rattled....which ever side your on.....it's pretty disconcerting...….but again I'm interested in finding out more about the pendulum and why it was used in deciding who was a light or dark spirit...…..there is a disturbing pattern here on this thread of comments used to try and shut down discussion.......people are bothered about this and not because children are dead.........quite a fascinating phenomenon in my opinion.......