The church is hiding its talent in the ground

[Trucker]

The First Presidency statement says that they are acting like the wise steward in the Parable of the Talents. It might seem like that because they are getting a return on their money. But they are are actually hiding and wasting it.

Millions of members faithfully give their tithing, which they have been told is necessary for their salvation and to enter the temple to receive the saving ordinances for themselves and their ancestors, and the church receives it and keeps it. The church now has $100 billion dollars that could be used to do a lot of good, like creating church schools, running humanitarian missions on the scale of the Red Cross, creating job centers around the country or the world. There's a lot that can be done with $100 billion to further the work of the Lord and fulfill the mission of the church.

Yes the church has increased the funds, but it hasn't furthered the work of the Lord with it. It hasn't stepped out and launched impactful initiatives. It has done some humanitarian aid, but often in partnership with some other charity, and often taking a back seat.

Church has acted like the unwise steward who was afraid to take acton and do something with the talent.

There's a huge potential built up, that can only be used within a functioning, modern economy. Stocks, bank accounts, electronic shares mean nothing when the dollar collapses, the economy stops, or when there is a breakdown in society like what will happen during the second coming.

Those funds can only be used now, but the church buries them in the earth. Saving them for a rainy day. Noah didn't save a bunch of money and buy an ark when it started to rain. The time may come and go before the opportunity to use $100 billion to further the Lord's work passes by.

The church is stuck in a defensive, persecuted mentality, afraid to do good and step out and lead, and wasting the talent that's been given to it.

[Matchmaker]

What you have said makes a lot of sense. It will be interesting to see if the leaders of the Church do anything different with the money in the future now that the rest of the world knows how rich they really are.

[Matchmaker]

I need to clarify my above comment. While I would like to see the Church spend more of the tithing surplus helping the poor today, it is not my call. The Lord in his wisdom did not appoint me steward over the money. He appointed others, and whatever they choose to do with it is OK with me, as long as they are not doing anything illegal with it. If the Lord wants them to save it all for building the New Jerusalem, I'm all for it, but I doubt the US Government sees it that way.

[Trucker]

I need to clarify my above comment. While I would like to see the Church spend more of the tithing surplus helping the poor today, it is not my call. The Lord in his wisdom did not appoint me steward over the money. He appointed others, and whatever they choose to do with it is OK with me, as long as they are not doing anything illegal with it. If the Lord wants them to save it all for building the New Jerusalem, I'm all for it, but I doubt the US Government sees it that way.

But the Lord has said all things shall be done by common consent in the the church. Have they asked for that?

[Matchmaker]

I need to clarify my above comment. While I would like to see the Church spend more of the tithing surplus helping the poor today, it is not my call. The Lord in his wisdom did not appoint me steward over the money. He appointed others, and whatever they choose to do with it is OK with me, as long as they are not doing anything illegal with it. If the Lord wants them to save it all for building the New Jerusalem, I'm all for it, but I doubt the US Government sees it that way.

But the Lord has said all things shall be done by common consent in the the church. Have they asked for that?

I'm not sure how that earlier principle actually works in reality. Does it still apply in a big church with over 15 million members?

[Trucker]

I need to clarify my above comment. While I would like to see the Church spend more of the tithing surplus helping the poor today, it is not my call. The Lord in his wisdom did not appoint me steward over the money. He appointed others, and whatever they choose to do with it is OK with me, as long as they are not doing anything illegal with it. If the Lord wants them to save it all for building the New Jerusalem, I'm all for it, but I doubt the US Government sees it that way.

But the Lord has said all things shall be done by common consent in the the church. Have they asked for that?

I'm not sure how that earlier principle actually works in reality. Does it still apply in a big church with over 15 million members?

Somehow we manage to sustain the general authorities every 6 months worldwide. I'm sure we could find a way.

[Chip]

You're right that the opportunity to even spend that money may be perishable. One systemic crash and poof!

Being the sound stewards that they are, they most likely follow accepted best-practices for how they allocate their funds. I think this $100B is just a fraction of what there is. It's amazing if this was grown from $10B in member tithing.

There is a real problem of WHAT to spend money on, in order to help people. In our town, there are plenty of poor people. If you handed them each $100k, the local Indian casino would have 20% of it within 24 hours. Few people are decent stewards.

If you spend to build more church buildings, it doesn't translate into membership increase.

What to do with all that?

Imagine if it was returned to the members, with the 10x increase? Have you tithed $50k? Then you get $500k! That would go a long way to repair damage done by gaslighting. The church would look awesome. Imagine the testimonies after that event! "The Lord saw my family's need and paid our debt!"

[Trucker]

You're right that the opportunity to even spend that money may be perishable. One systemic crash and poof!

Being the sound stewards that they are, they most likely follow accepted best-practices for how they allocate their funds. I think this $100B is just a fraction of what there is. It's amazing if this was grown from $10B in member tithing.

There is a real problem of WHAT to spend money on, in order to help people. In our town, there are plenty of poor people. If you handed them each $100k, the local Indian casino would have 20% of it within 24 hours. Few people are decent stewards.

If you build more church buildings, it doesn't translate to membership increase?

What to do with all that?

Imagine if it was returned to the members, with the 10x increase? Have you tithed $50k? Then you get $500k! That would go a long way to repair damage done by gaslighting. The church would look awesome. Imagine the testimonies after that event! "The Lord saw my family's need and paid our debt!"



I

How about church schools across the world like the Catholics do. How about medical trips like the Red Cross does. How about job and skills training. How about promoting self-sufficient and gardening? How about a BYU-New York or a BYU-London? How about a mall in Africa? How about large-scale organic farming? How about a network of battered women shelters? How about something like what the YMCA used to be for struggling men? How about a youth program that isn't strictly religious? How about free or low cost distance learning? How about a factory to produce parts for clean water in Africa? How about a fund to people to invest in that doesn't invest in companies that oppose the teachings of the gospel? How about family centers around the countries with classes and recreation facilities? How about supporting music, movies, and other media that isn't vulgar? How about creating a cable channel with good programming, even if it operates at a loss?

[Chip]

Think how Youtube has democratized talent appreciation. No need for Hollywood, anymore - or movie stars. It's the peoples' time to build. Institutions are staid. I could put $5M to productive use, giving people jobs and improving the world on a local level.

[Mindfields]

I need to clarify my above comment. While I would like to see the Church spend more of the tithing surplus helping the poor today, it is not my call. The Lord in his wisdom did not appoint me steward over the money.

This is not true. You have every right to demand that the leaders do as the scriptures teach. If the leaders say we'll spend the money this way or save it for a rainy day then produce the revelation and present it to the body of the church for their consent. Their all power at the top secret ways are wrong and we shouldn't stand for it.

[David13]

The First Presidency statement says that they are acting like the wise steward in the Parable of the Talents. It might seem like that because they are getting a return on their money. But they are are actually hiding and wasting it.

Millions of members faithfully give their tithing, which they have been told is necessary for their salvation and to enter the temple to receive the saving ordinances for themselves and their ancestors, and the church receives it and keeps it. The church now has $100 billion dollars that could be used to do a lot of good, like creating church schools, running humanitarian missions on the scale of the Red Cross, creating job centers around the country or the world. There's a lot that can be done with $100 billion to further the work of the Lord and fulfill the mission of the church.

Yes the church has increased the funds, but it hasn't furthered the work of the Lord with it. It hasn't stepped out and launched impactful initiatives. It has done some humanitarian aid, but often in partnership with some other charity, and often taking a back seat.

Church has acted like the unwise steward who was afraid to take acton and do something with the talent.

There's a huge potential built up, that can only be used within a functioning, modern economy. Stocks, bank accounts, electronic shares mean nothing when the dollar collapses, the economy stops, or when there is a breakdown in society like what will happen during the second coming.

Those funds can only be used now, but the church buries them in the earth. Saving them for a rainy day. Noah didn't save a bunch of money and buy an ark when it started to rain. The time may come and go before the opportunity to use $100 billion to further the Lord's work passes by.

The church is stuck in a defensive, persecuted mentality, afraid to do good and step out and lead, and wasting the talent that's been given to it.

Disagree completely. There is nothing wasted.
dc

[David13]

You're right that the opportunity to even spend that money may be perishable. One systemic crash and poof!

Being the sound stewards that they are, they most likely follow accepted best-practices for how they allocate their funds. I think this $100B is just a fraction of what there is. It's amazing if this was grown from $10B in member tithing.

There is a real problem of WHAT to spend money on, in order to help people. In our town, there are plenty of poor people. If you handed them each $100k, the local Indian casino would have 20% of it within 24 hours. Few people are decent stewards.

If you build more church buildings, it doesn't translate to membership increase?

What to do with all that?

Imagine if it was returned to the members, with the 10x increase? Have you tithed $50k? Then you get $500k! That would go a long way to repair damage done by gaslighting. The church would look awesome. Imagine the testimonies after that event! "The Lord saw my family's need and paid our debt!"



I

How about church schools across the world like the Catholics do. How about medical trips like the Red Cross does. How about job and skills training. How about promoting self-sufficient and gardening? How about a BYU-New York or a BYU-London? How about a mall in Africa? How about large-scale organic farming? How about a network of battered women shelters? How about something like what the YMCA used to be for struggling men? How about a youth program that isn't strictly religious? How about free or low cost distance learning? How about a factory to produce parts for clean water in Africa? How about a fund to people to invest in that doesn't invest in companies that oppose the teachings of the gospel? How about family centers around the countries with classes and recreation facilities? How about supporting music, movies, and other media that isn't vulgar? How about creating a cable channel with good programming, even if it operates at a loss?

The Catholics have closed a huge percentage of their schools, in fact also a large percentage of their churches. They don't have the parishioners nor the students. That is not an opportunity for expansion into a new field for the church.

You could, when you are called to the 70 or the 12 present these ideas to the others. They would not be carried out, as they are not wise ideas.
dc


I believe we are talking about the stock market here. I don't know if any of you know how that works with an institution like the church. But it is certainly not comparable to ... the ground.

[Trucker]

You're right that the opportunity to even spend that money may be perishable. One systemic crash and poof!

Being the sound stewards that they are, they most likely follow accepted best-practices for how they allocate their funds. I think this $100B is just a fraction of what there is. It's amazing if this was grown from $10B in member tithing.

There is a real problem of WHAT to spend money on, in order to help people. In our town, there are plenty of poor people. If you handed them each $100k, the local Indian casino would have 20% of it within 24 hours. Few people are decent stewards.

If you build more church buildings, it doesn't translate to membership increase?

What to do with all that?

Imagine if it was returned to the members, with the 10x increase? Have you tithed $50k? Then you get $500k! That would go a long way to repair damage done by gaslighting. The church would look awesome. Imagine the testimonies after that event! "The Lord saw my family's need and paid our debt!"



I

How about church schools across the world like the Catholics do. How about medical trips like the Red Cross does. How about job and skills training. How about promoting self-sufficient and gardening? How about a BYU-New York or a BYU-London? How about a mall in Africa? How about large-scale organic farming? How about a network of battered women shelters? How about something like what the YMCA used to be for struggling men? How about a youth program that isn't strictly religious? How about free or low cost distance learning? How about a factory to produce parts for clean water in Africa? How about a fund to people to invest in that doesn't invest in companies that oppose the teachings of the gospel? How about family centers around the countries with classes and recreation facilities? How about supporting music, movies, and other media that isn't vulgar? How about creating a cable channel with good programming, even if it operates at a loss?

The Catholics have closed a huge percentage of their schools, in fact also a large percentage of their churches. They don't have the parishioners nor the students. That is not an opportunity for expansion into a new field for the church.

You could, when you are called to the 70 or the 12 present these ideas to the others. They would not be carried out, as they are not wise ideas.
dc


I believe we are talking about the stock market here. I don't know if any of you know how that works with an institution like the church. But it is certainly not comparable to ... the ground.

So the church can do absolutely nothing with $100 billion except bail out an insurance company and build a mall? Just because the Catholic Church is closing some schools doesn't mean we can't open a few.

And your sarcastic remark about me being called to the 70 is just a way to try to shame me. You are doing that on other posts too.

[David13]

You're right that the opportunity to even spend that money may be perishable. One systemic crash and poof!

Being the sound stewards that they are, they most likely follow accepted best-practices for how they allocate their funds. I think this $100B is just a fraction of what there is. It's amazing if this was grown from $10B in member tithing.

There is a real problem of WHAT to spend money on, in order to help people. In our town, there are plenty of poor people. If you handed them each $100k, the local Indian casino would have 20% of it within 24 hours. Few people are decent stewards.

If you build more church buildings, it doesn't translate to membership increase?

What to do with all that?

Imagine if it was returned to the members, with the 10x increase? Have you tithed $50k? Then you get $500k! That would go a long way to repair damage done by gaslighting. The church would look awesome. Imagine the testimonies after that event! "The Lord saw my family's need and paid our debt!"



I

How about church schools across the world like the Catholics do. How about medical trips like the Red Cross does. How about job and skills training. How about promoting self-sufficient and gardening? How about a BYU-New York or a BYU-London? How about a mall in Africa? How about large-scale organic farming? How about a network of battered women shelters? How about something like what the YMCA used to be for struggling men? How about a youth program that isn't strictly religious? How about free or low cost distance learning? How about a factory to produce parts for clean water in Africa? How about a fund to people to invest in that doesn't invest in companies that oppose the teachings of the gospel? How about family centers around the countries with classes and recreation facilities? How about supporting music, movies, and other media that isn't vulgar? How about creating a cable channel with good programming, even if it operates at a loss?

The Catholics have closed a huge percentage of their schools, in fact also a large percentage of their churches. They don't have the parishioners nor the students. That is not an opportunity for expansion into a new field for the church.

You could, when you are called to the 70 or the 12 present these ideas to the others. They would not be carried out, as they are not wise ideas.
dc


I believe we are talking about the stock market here. I don't know if any of you know how that works with an institution like the church. But it is certainly not comparable to ... the ground.

So the church can do absolutely nothing with $100 billion except bail out an insurance company and build a mall? Just because the Catholic Church is closing some schools doesn't mean we can't open a few.

And your sarcastic remark about me being called to the 70 is just a way to try to shame me. You are doing that on other posts too.

I'm not trying to shame you at all. I'm trying to figure out what your real purpose is here.
dc

[Trucker]

How about church schools across the world like the Catholics do. How about medical trips like the Red Cross does. How about job and skills training. How about promoting self-sufficient and gardening? How about a BYU-New York or a BYU-London? How about a mall in Africa? How about large-scale organic farming? How about a network of battered women shelters? How about something like what the YMCA used to be for struggling men? How about a youth program that isn't strictly religious? How about free or low cost distance learning? How about a factory to produce parts for clean water in Africa? How about a fund to people to invest in that doesn't invest in companies that oppose the teachings of the gospel? How about family centers around the countries with classes and recreation facilities? How about supporting music, movies, and other media that isn't vulgar? How about creating a cable channel with good programming, even if it operates at a loss?

The Catholics have closed a huge percentage of their schools, in fact also a large percentage of their churches. They don't have the parishioners nor the students. That is not an opportunity for expansion into a new field for the church.

You could, when you are called to the 70 or the 12 present these ideas to the others. They would not be carried out, as they are not wise ideas.
dc


I believe we are talking about the stock market here. I don't know if any of you know how that works with an institution like the church. But it is certainly not comparable to ... the ground.

So the church can do absolutely nothing with $100 billion except bail out an insurance company and build a mall? Just because the Catholic Church is closing some schools doesn't mean we can't open a few.

And your sarcastic remark about me being called to the 70 is just a way to try to shame me. You are doing that on other posts too.

I'm not trying to shame you at all. I'm trying to figure out what your real purpose is here.
dc

Take what I said at face value. You don't have to figure out my angle, or motivation, or anything. That's just a way to avoid the issue.

[David13]

The Catholics have closed a huge percentage of their schools, in fact also a large percentage of their churches. They don't have the parishioners nor the students. That is not an opportunity for expansion into a new field for the church.

You could, when you are called to the 70 or the 12 present these ideas to the others. They would not be carried out, as they are not wise ideas.
dc


I believe we are talking about the stock market here. I don't know if any of you know how that works with an institution like the church. But it is certainly not comparable to ... the ground.

So the church can do absolutely nothing with $100 billion except bail out an insurance company and build a mall? Just because the Catholic Church is closing some schools doesn't mean we can't open a few.

And your sarcastic remark about me being called to the 70 is just a way to try to shame me. You are doing that on other posts too.

I'm not trying to shame you at all. I'm trying to figure out what your real purpose is here.
dc

Take what I said at face value. You don't have to figure out my angle, or motivation, or anything. That's just a way to avoid the issue.

Take it at face value, unless I see and sense an agenda.

The issue is, does the church waste it's talents. And your own accusations prove they do not.
dc

[Trucker]

So the church can do absolutely nothing with $100 billion except bail out an insurance company and build a mall? Just because the Catholic Church is closing some schools doesn't mean we can't open a few.

And your sarcastic remark about me being called to the 70 is just a way to try to shame me. You are doing that on other posts too.

I'm not trying to shame you at all. I'm trying to figure out what your real purpose is here.
dc

Take what I said at face value. You don't have to figure out my angle, or motivation, or anything. That's just a way to avoid the issue.

Take it at face value, unless I see and sense an agenda.

The issue is, does the church waste it's talents. And your own accusations prove they do not.
dc

Official tax forms and docs from the church and the EPA are pretty good evidence, assuming they are legit. It doesn't matter if they guy exposing it is an apostate. You don't get to excuse your own sins because someone else sins. If the church is not following the tax law, I care. If it is misrepresenting to the members it's financial situation and use of tithing funds, I care.

[David13]

I'm not trying to shame you at all. I'm trying to figure out what your real purpose is here.
dc

Take what I said at face value. You don't have to figure out my angle, or motivation, or anything. That's just a way to avoid the issue.

Take it at face value, unless I see and sense an agenda.

The issue is, does the church waste it's talents. And your own accusations prove they do not.
dc

Official tax forms and docs from the church and the EPA are pretty good evidence, assuming they are legit. It doesn't matter if they guy exposing it is an apostate. You don't get to excuse your own sins because someone else sins. If the church is not following the tax law, I care. If it is misrepresenting to the members it's financial situation and use of tithing funds, I care.

What would the EPA have to do with taxes?

They would not be "my sins" if there were any, which I don't believe there are. They would be "the churches" sins, or alleged or imaginary sins.

If the tax law was not followed, wouldn't the IRS be after them rather fast? After all we do know the powers that be, all leftists and lettered perverts would love to destroy the church.
dc

[Trucker]

Take what I said at face value. You don't have to figure out my angle, or motivation, or anything. That's just a way to avoid the issue.

Take it at face value, unless I see and sense an agenda.

The issue is, does the church waste it's talents. And your own accusations prove they do not.
dc

Official tax forms and docs from the church and the EPA are pretty good evidence, assuming they are legit. It doesn't matter if they guy exposing it is an apostate. You don't get to excuse your own sins because someone else sins. If the church is not following the tax law, I care. If it is misrepresenting to the members it's financial situation and use of tithing funds, I care.

What would the EPA have to do with taxes?

They would not be "my sins" if there were any, which I don't believe there are. They would be "the churches" sins, or alleged or imaginary sins.

If the tax law was not followed, wouldn't the IRS be after them rather fast? After all we do know the powers that be, all leftists and lettered perverts would love to destroy the church.
dc

It's Ensign Peak Advisors. Cmon. Look into it before debating it.

[David13]

Take it at face value, unless I see and sense an agenda.

The issue is, does the church waste it's talents. And your own accusations prove they do not.
dc

Official tax forms and docs from the church and the EPA are pretty good evidence, assuming they are legit. It doesn't matter if they guy exposing it is an apostate. You don't get to excuse your own sins because someone else sins. If the church is not following the tax law, I care. If it is misrepresenting to the members it's financial situation and use of tithing funds, I care.

What would the EPA have to do with taxes?

They would not be "my sins" if there were any, which I don't believe there are. They would be "the churches" sins, or alleged or imaginary sins.

If the tax law was not followed, wouldn't the IRS be after them rather fast? After all we do know the powers that be, all leftists and lettered perverts would love to destroy the church.
dc

It's Ensign Peak Advisors. Cmon. Look into it before debating it.

Come indeed, young man, or young woman as the case may be.

I'm not debating Ensign Peak, advisors, amusement park or hunting grounds.

The topic is is ... wasting talents. Or more specifically hiding it's talents. The idea of the talents is that the talents are to be ... multiplied. Seems to me that's what the church is doing here, based on the allegations.

I'm going to determine if I have faith or not. And if I trust the leaders or not.

The indictment is one side of the story. Don't you think I should look to the church for THEIR side of the story?

Do you know what they have said, today, I believe?
dc

[Trucker]

Official tax forms and docs from the church and the EPA are pretty good evidence, assuming they are legit. It doesn't matter if they guy exposing it is an apostate. You don't get to excuse your own sins because someone else sins. If the church is not following the tax law, I care. If it is misrepresenting to the members it's financial situation and use of tithing funds, I care.

What would the EPA have to do with taxes?

They would not be "my sins" if there were any, which I don't believe there are. They would be "the churches" sins, or alleged or imaginary sins.

If the tax law was not followed, wouldn't the IRS be after them rather fast? After all we do know the powers that be, all leftists and lettered perverts would love to destroy the church.
dc

It's Ensign Peak Advisors. Cmon. Look into it before debating it.

Come indeed, young man, or young woman as the case may be.

I'm not debating Ensign Peak, advisors, amusement park or hunting grounds.

The topic is is ... wasting talents. Or more specifically hiding it's talents. The idea of the talents is that the talents are to be ... multiplied. Seems to me that's what the church is doing here, based on the allegations.

I'm going to determine if I have faith or not. And if I trust the leaders or not.

The indictment is one side of the story. Don't you think I should look to the church for THEIR side of the story?

Do you know what they have said, today, I believe?
dc

Yes of course the church claims no wrong doing. That's no surprise. And fair enough, staying on the topic of talents, the first presidency said that's exactly what they are doing. In my OP, I argued that's not really the point of the parable. I don't need to re-argue it. It's my original post.

[nightlight]

You're right that the opportunity to even spend that money may be perishable. One systemic crash and poof!

Being the sound stewards that they are, they most likely follow accepted best-practices for how they allocate their funds. I think this $100B is just a fraction of what there is. It's amazing if this was grown from $10B in member tithing.

There is a real problem of WHAT to spend money on, in order to help people. In our town, there are plenty of poor people. If you handed them each $100k, the local Indian casino would have 20% of it within 24 hours. Few people are decent stewards.

If you build more church buildings, it doesn't translate to membership increase?

What to do with all that?

Imagine if it was returned to the members, with the 10x increase? Have you tithed $50k? Then you get $500k! That would go a long way to repair damage done by gaslighting. The church would look awesome. Imagine the testimonies after that event! "The Lord saw my family's need and paid our debt!"



I

How about church schools across the world like the Catholics do. How about medical trips like the Red Cross does. How about job and skills training. How about promoting self-sufficient and gardening? How about a BYU-New York or a BYU-London? How about a mall in Africa? How about large-scale organic farming? How about a network of battered women shelters? How about something like what the YMCA used to be for struggling men? How about a youth program that isn't strictly religious? How about free or low cost distance learning? How about a factory to produce parts for clean water in Africa? How about a fund to people to invest in that doesn't invest in companies that oppose the teachings of the gospel? How about family centers around the countries with classes and recreation facilities? How about supporting music, movies, and other media that isn't vulgar? How about creating a cable channel with good programming, even if it operates at a loss?

The Catholics have closed a huge percentage of their schools, in fact also a large percentage of their churches. They don't have the parishioners nor the students. That is not an opportunity for expansion into a new field for the church.

You could, when you are called to the 70 or the 12 present these ideas to the others. They would not be carried out, as they are not wise ideas.
dc


I believe we are talking about the stock market here. I don't know if any of you know how that works with an institution like the church. But it is certainly not comparable to ... the ground.

You don't think it wise for the church to open up K-12 church school.........not controlled by Babylon??? Nonsense...how long ago were you in high school? It's not what it was, and even in your day we should of had them...hence slc

Lol your reasoning is because Catholics suck at it...???

[David13]

You're right that the opportunity to even spend that money may be perishable. One systemic crash and poof!

Being the sound stewards that they are, they most likely follow accepted best-practices for how they allocate their funds. I think this $100B is just a fraction of what there is. It's amazing if this was grown from $10B in member tithing.

There is a real problem of WHAT to spend money on, in order to help people. In our town, there are plenty of poor people. If you handed them each $100k, the local Indian casino would have 20% of it within 24 hours. Few people are decent stewards.

If you build more church buildings, it doesn't translate to membership increase?

What to do with all that?

Imagine if it was returned to the members, with the 10x increase? Have you tithed $50k? Then you get $500k! That would go a long way to repair damage done by gaslighting. The church would look awesome. Imagine the testimonies after that event! "The Lord saw my family's need and paid our debt!"



I

How about church schools across the world like the Catholics do. How about medical trips like the Red Cross does. How about job and skills training. How about promoting self-sufficient and gardening? How about a BYU-New York or a BYU-London? How about a mall in Africa? How about large-scale organic farming? How about a network of battered women shelters? How about something like what the YMCA used to be for struggling men? How about a youth program that isn't strictly religious? How about free or low cost distance learning? How about a factory to produce parts for clean water in Africa? How about a fund to people to invest in that doesn't invest in companies that oppose the teachings of the gospel? How about family centers around the countries with classes and recreation facilities? How about supporting music, movies, and other media that isn't vulgar? How about creating a cable channel with good programming, even if it operates at a loss?

The Catholics have closed a huge percentage of their schools, in fact also a large percentage of their churches. They don't have the parishioners nor the students. That is not an opportunity for expansion into a new field for the church.

You could, when you are called to the 70 or the 12 present these ideas to the others. They would not be carried out, as they are not wise ideas.
dc


I believe we are talking about the stock market here. I don't know if any of you know how that works with an institution like the church. But it is certainly not comparable to ... the ground.

You don't think it wise for the church to open up K-12 church school.........not controlled by Babylon??? Nonsense...how long ago were you in high school? It's not what it was, and even in your day we should of had them...hence slc

Lol your reasoning is because Catholics suck at it...???

It was a long long long time ago. But how do you know I didn't go to Catholic schools when they existed.

And you are reading into it what wasn't there.

I DID NOT SAY THEY DON'T DO WELL AT IT. I don't ever use that kid speak word you used there.

False attribution. Very poor reading comprehension.

I said they are closing up. As they have fewer or no people for it. Same reason they are closing churches. No one comes.

Do you think it wise for the COJCOLDS to open schools without knowing if there is any demand for it? I don't.

I can tell you when I was in Catholic school they had a thing that Mormons are not too good at. It was called discipline. No, public school doesn't have it, can't by law in many places.

And it has been decried and disparaged by many, even many in this church. As not working, too harsh, racist, unfair, etc.

So I wonder if they could do it, and not run afoul of the laws today.

I do know there are still some Catholic schools out there. I don't know what they do, or how.

I can tell you I'm against public school, or government (leftist) indoctrination centers, not matter what you erroneously read into my posts.

And notice too that NO, I DID NOT post that I'm all in favor of strict discipline in schools. I say and post here I have no kids, never did and will make no statement about what any and all schools should or shouldn't be.

Than ain't my job.

I can tell you also too that I DO NOT AGREE with Thinker that the church should be a free food institution. Free food for all. No standards, just get in line for free food for all.

I don't think that's any way to end "poverty". I think it just results in lazy dependency. I believe in work, etc.

So just to say the church has to do it the way Thinker says is ... nonsense. Not going to happen, and I'm glad of that.

We already have enough career welfare families and generations.
dc

[Michelle]

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[Trucker]

How about church schools across the world like the Catholics do. How about medical trips like the Red Cross does. How about job and skills training. How about promoting self-sufficient and gardening? How about a BYU-New York or a BYU-London? How about a mall in Africa? How about large-scale organic farming? How about a network of battered women shelters? How about something like what the YMCA used to be for struggling men? How about a youth program that isn't strictly religious? How about free or low cost distance learning? How about a factory to produce parts for clean water in Africa? How about a fund to people to invest in that doesn't invest in companies that oppose the teachings of the gospel? How about family centers around the countries with classes and recreation facilities? How about supporting music, movies, and other media that isn't vulgar? How about creating a cable channel with good programming, even if it operates at a loss?

The Catholics have closed a huge percentage of their schools, in fact also a large percentage of their churches. They don't have the parishioners nor the students. That is not an opportunity for expansion into a new field for the church.

You could, when you are called to the 70 or the 12 present these ideas to the others. They would not be carried out, as they are not wise ideas.
dc


I believe we are talking about the stock market here. I don't know if any of you know how that works with an institution like the church. But it is certainly not comparable to ... the ground.

You don't think it wise for the church to open up K-12 church school.........not controlled by Babylon??? Nonsense...how long ago were you in high school? It's not what it was, and even in your day we should of had them...hence slc

Lol your reasoning is because Catholics suck at it...???

It was a long long long time ago. But how do you know I didn't go to Catholic schools when they existed.

And you are reading into it what wasn't there.

I DID NOT SAY THEY DON'T DO WELL AT IT. I don't ever use that kid speak word you used there.

False attribution. Very poor reading comprehension.

I said they are closing up. As they have fewer or no people for it. Same reason they are closing churches. No one comes.

Do you think it wise for the COJCOLDS to open schools without knowing if there is any demand for it? I don't.

I can tell you when I was in Catholic school they had a thing that Mormons are not too good at. It was called discipline. No, public school doesn't have it, can't by law in many places.

And it has been decried and disparaged by many, even many in this church. As not working, too harsh, racist, unfair, etc.

So I wonder if they could do it, and not run afoul of the laws today.

I do know there are still some Catholic schools out there. I don't know what they do, or how.

I can tell you I'm against public school, or government (leftist) indoctrination centers, not matter what you erroneously read into my posts.

And notice too that NO, I DID NOT post that I'm all in favor of strict discipline in schools. I say and post here I have no kids, never did and will make no statement about what any and all schools should or shouldn't be.

Than ain't my job.

I can tell you also too that I DO NOT AGREE with Thinker that the church should be a free food institution. Free food for all. No standards, just get in line for free food for all.

I don't think that's any way to end "poverty". I think it just results in lazy dependency. I believe in work, etc.

So just to say the church has to do it the way Thinker says is ... nonsense. Not going to happen, and I'm glad of that.

We already have enough career welfare families and generations.
dc

"I can tell you also too that I DO NOT AGREE with Thinker that the church should be a free food institution. Free food for all. No standards, just get in line for free food for all. "

Do you mean me? Trucker? Also, this is not what I said. Man you guys are bad at this. You straw man and presuppose everything about people who raise this concern.

Is there no way to be charitable without just throwing free stuff to the masses?