How would you compare Polygamy to Gay Marriage?

[Benaishtart]

I find it weird we now live in a day where Gay marriage is accepted but Polygamy is like the worse thing possibly imaginable. Since everything on this forum goes back to Polygamy and Gay marriage...how would you rank the following scenarios in terms of how comfortable you are with them:

Interracial marriage, huge age gap (over 25 years) marriage, teenage marriage (like 13-15), Polygamy, cousin marriage, polyamory, polyandry, and finally gay marriage. As for me

1. Interracial, age gap, teenage, and polygamous marriages all have issues but I’ve known plenty of individuals involved in such unions (40’s woman marrying 90’s man, girl getting married at 13, and polygamous women) and for some reason it just doesn’t seem strange close up, different for sure but definitely not strange, gross or deviant.

2. I don’t know any polyandrous people so I realistically can’t comment

3. I actually know plenty of LGBT people and I’m legit very, very close to some of them and Gay marriage (and polyamory) still bothers me 100x more than polygamy. All forms of LGBT is based on demonic influence and is the lowest vibrational form of sexuality and doesn’t even belong on a telestial world. That’s why even on this telestial earth it always gets stamped out.

We surely live in a post-feminist society. I’m sure 99% of people who’ve lived on this planet historically would’ve agreed with me but it’s incredible to think that nowadays the first few different types are considered the greatest evil ever and Gay marriage is normal. I’ll tell you why...it’s because some marriages produce offspring and others can’t. Because of that certain things are more promoted by the Devil’s agenda than others. Oh by the way, I believe the church is true....that means I believe what the church teaches is true....which means Joseph practiced Polygamy. Also elder mcconckie said it’s coming back in the millennium so there’s that. Just sayin’

[Benaishtart]

And for absolute clarification I actually know real life gay married couples and I actually used to know people that were part of the Jeff’s clan and I’d pick short creek over sodom any day. Even if sodom had a way better music and fashion and restaurant scene. By the way I think Polygamy is a no-no unless the Lord commands it just so you guys don’t think I’m a fundy

[Lexew1899]

1. Interracial marriage - I don't really think black males and white females work. They have the highest divorce rate. Interestingly black females to white males have the lowest. I find mixing the culture, and family events are probably a struggle. Asian to white doesn't bother me, Hispanic to whatever doesn't really bother me. For the most part I think black and white is hard to mix.
2. Huge age Gap - Unnecessary. Find someone that won't die a few decades before the other spouse.
3. Teenage marriage - most teens won't be financially able to make it work. 200 years ago they could, but not today.
4. Polygamy - doesn't bother me at all. Seems more natural than monogamy in my opinion.
5. Cousins - mostly a Muslim practice today. Probably contributes to the radicalism in the Middle East. Should be avoided. Genetically not that bad, but if repeated for too many generations it could be very bad.
6. Polyandry - seems unnatural for as man to want this. Perhaps a low T beta &#%! would prefer this. Not me.
7. Gay marriage - don't like it at all, can marginally tolerate it considering it is the law of the land.
8. Hypergamy - one you missed. Perhaps the most common practice in the Western world, where every woman almost wants to marry the wealthy, doctor type. Makes woman a bit of a sex object or commodity. Should be discouraged by other woman the most, but is most encouraged.
9. Incels - one last one you missed. Involuntary celebetes. The nerdy guy in Mom's basement to plays video games, watches porn, and has no ambition. Or the old maid/ cat lady. A darn shame, but very common today.

[Rose Garden]

I have seen so many heartbreaking problems come out of polygamy. I believe it reduces women to objects more than other arrangements and promotes an unnatural state that isn't upheld by birth statistics. Many women in these relationships have been taught throughout their lives some pretty damaging mentalities that allow them to accept this demeaning organization, otherwise, I doubt many would.

As for homosexuality, I don't know that I have enough information to make an assessment. I personally think that there are worse things that happen than homosexuals having sex with one another. In fact, I'm not sure homosexual sex is wrong at all. Who does it hurt? On the other hand, the homosexual population seems to be filled with people who were abused terribly in childhood and who struggle with serious mental health issues. Do they suffer these problems because they are homosexual or are they homosexual because they suffer from these problems?

[JohnnyL]

Fiannan's old thread on this that was brought back to life recently talks about this.

[Zathura]

As far as homosexuality and polygamy? The scriptures condemn both. Ironically, the scriptures are only really explicit and clear about the condemnation about one of them. Care to guess?
POLYGAMY. Which is why it's weird that most Mormons describe homosexuality as being several levels worse than fornication and adultery but defend polygamy to the death and half of those are excited for it to come back. And no, there is no loophole for polygamy. Like 2 verses before the supposed loophole , God essentially says that there are no loopholes(don't use David and Abraham and Solomon and Jacob as justification). The traditional interpretation of that "loophole" is nonsensical given the context

In no way is this a defense of homosexuality, but the scriptures that Christians use to condemn homosexuality are FAR less detailed and explicit than the scriptures are about polygamy.

It's weird and judgmental to add incels(this attitude is the reason why our Church leaders have increased efforts to love and support missionaries who left early) and put them LAST but okay?

[Mike Griffith]

Polygamy is sanctioned in the Old Testament and in the Book of Mormon. The Book of Mormon stipulates that polygamy can only be practiced if God commands it--otherwise, it is sinful. The Old Testament clearly implies this but does not expressly say it. Gay marriage, on the other hand, is condemned in the Bible by virtue of the fact that the Bible condemns homosexuality as unnatural and unholy.

The Church has made it clear that people who suffer from same-gender attraction can be worthy and active members as long as they do not act on the attraction.

[sandman45]

I have seen so many heartbreaking problems come out of polygamy. I believe it reduces women to objects more than other arrangements and promotes an unnatural state that isn't upheld by birth statistics. Many women in these relationships have been taught throughout their lives some pretty damaging mentalities that allow them to accept this demeaning organization, otherwise, I doubt many would.

As for homosexuality, I don't know that I have enough information to make an assessment. I personally think that there are worse things that happen than homosexuals having sex with one another. In fact, I'm not sure homosexual sex is wrong at all. Who does it hurt? On the other hand, the homosexual population seems to be filled with people who were abused terribly in childhood and who struggle with serious mental health issues. Do they suffer these problems because they are homosexual or are they homosexual because they suffer from these problems?

With homosexuality or any LGBTQ+ it is damning to eternal progression. No offspring is damning your progression that is the end of your increase!

Polygamy is a higher more pure law because it’s bringing in more offspring and increase. The only way I see it as evil is when young girls are taken into marriage before they are 18 or if they are forced into it.

*edit* forgot to add that it must be commanded of God before it’s ok

[David13]

I gather here that there have been times when God commanded polygamy.

That was NEVER THE CASE with the perversions of our generation.
dc

[Rick Grimes]

As far as homosexuality and polygamy? The scriptures condemn both. Ironically, the scriptures are only really explicit and clear about the condemnation about one of them. Care to guess?
POLYGAMY. Which is why it's weird that most Mormons describe homosexuality as being several levels worse than fornication and adultery but defend polygamy to the death and half of those are excited for it to come back. And no, there is no loophole for polygamy. Like 2 verses before the supposed loophole , God essentially says that there are no loopholes(don't use David and Abraham and Solomon and Jacob as justification). The traditional interpretation of that "loophole" is nonsensical given the context

In no way is this a defense of homosexuality, but the scriptures that Christians use to condemn homosexuality are FAR less detailed and explicit than the scriptures are about polygamy.

It's weird and judgmental to add incels(this attitude is the reason why our Church leaders have increased efforts to love and support missionaries who left early) and put them LAST but okay?

^so much absolute false doctrine and nonsense in this post.

You arguing against polygamy when Joseph, Brigham, and the rest of the early prophets and apostles all practiced it, is absolutely insane. Yet, you still believe in the book that these men championed only because you think it helps your argument. If these men were lecherous dogs, then surely their "fruit" (i.e. the restored gospel of Christ) would also be false? Yet, rabid so called "mormon feminists" cherry pick the parts of the gospel they like and rewrite the parts they don't. News flash, WE STILL PRACTICE PLURAL MARRIAGE. A man can still be sealed to another woman in the temple for time and all eternity upon his other wife's death or if they simply divorce but dont terminate their temple sealing. This means that he will be sealed to multiple wives in the next life. This happens even now in the church. If polygamy was so wrong we wouldnt see this still being upheld in the Lord's temple. But go on, keep quoting Jacob 2 and believe that you are right. It is the scripture that so many Anti mormon groups use against us as well. They think it so clever to use our own book of scripture to debunk plural marriage. There is indeed a condition that is required for plural marriage to be allowed, and that is upon the Lord's command. David and Solomon are used as the example for how it is NOT to be practised because they both went after women that were not given or allowed to them from the Lord. David with Bathsheba and Solomon chasing all those women from foreign nations that worshiped false gods and idols are the reasons why they are brought up as being offensive to God. The other wives that they were allowed by God was good and wholesome and blessed of God. It was only when they both went beyond those bounds and sought women or a woman that they should not have pursued.

As to the OP,
1. Gay marriage bothers me the most. It's a gross perversion of what God has ordained. The biological parts dont even fit together and no offspring can be had through this unnatural union. One might as well just engage in bestiality for all the good it does to produce young. These are gross perversions against nature and God. (Its funny how feminists will defend this sin to the hilt but will go rabid when plural marriage is brought up)
2. Black men and white women getting married bothers me. I know it seems weird to specify it that way, but it's because the divorce rate is so high and I've known several nice young ladies who have gotten involved in these relationships only to get beat, cheated on, treated like crap, etc... I'm not a racist, and I have many friends who are black and I consider them true friends. They have confided to me that many of their black friends want a white woman simply because "it pisses off whitey". It isnt at all that they love the girl. It's because they are angry at white people and want to hurt and humiliate one of the white man's treasures, their daughters. Unfortunately, these girls dont understand that the deep seated hatred goes beyond their meager understanding of "race relations".
I have zero objections to pretty much any other race marrying, so long as their religion matches up. If not for the couple, but for their children.
2. Polyandry- wow. That is just gross and confusing. Who is the dad when the woman gets pregnant? Are we supposed to keep a DNA tester around the home to answer this question? I could go on, but the thought is just one of shaking my head with "why"? There are more women than there are men in the world, why do you need to share one woman among so many men who are already outnumbered by women.

3. Celibacy- talk about wasted potential. I think it a lesser evil than homosexuality or bestiality, but it is still not right. If we cant find the "right one" is that really a reflection of their own arrogance and unwillingness to humble themselves in accepting that nobody is perfect. We all have faults and we need to be able to forgive one another, as the Savior taught. I dont understand how somebody can go thru life and never once meet a person who could have made a good match for them. One wonders if their own attachment to material possessions or careers are what hold them back.

4. Big age gaps- weird but not offensive. The older one gets, the less age gap matters. Nobody bats an eye with a couple that is 80 and 70 yrs old respectively, but would freak if somebody is 25 and married a 15 yr old. (I would too, btw)

5. Cousins- Meh. Not my cup of tea, but if the selection isnt there, (i.e. nobody else in the true gospel of our Lord) it would be worse to marry outside the gospel.

[Rose Garden]

I have seen so many heartbreaking problems come out of polygamy. I believe it reduces women to objects more than other arrangements and promotes an unnatural state that isn't upheld by birth statistics. Many women in these relationships have been taught throughout their lives some pretty damaging mentalities that allow them to accept this demeaning organization, otherwise, I doubt many would.

As for homosexuality, I don't know that I have enough information to make an assessment. I personally think that there are worse things that happen than homosexuals having sex with one another. In fact, I'm not sure homosexual sex is wrong at all. Who does it hurt? On the other hand, the homosexual population seems to be filled with people who were abused terribly in childhood and who struggle with serious mental health issues. Do they suffer these problems because they are homosexual or are they homosexual because they suffer from these problems?

With homosexuality or any LGBTQ+ it is damning to eternal progression. No offspring is damning your progression that is the end of your increase!

Polygamy is a higher more pure law because it’s bringing in more offspring and increase. The only way I see it as evil is when young girls are taken into marriage before they are 18 or if they are forced into it.

*edit* forgot to add that it must be commanded of God before it’s ok

I reject the idea that no offspring is damning to progression. I would also suggest you look into the lost boys.

[Zathura]

As far as homosexuality and polygamy? The scriptures condemn both. Ironically, the scriptures are only really explicit and clear about the condemnation about one of them. Care to guess?
POLYGAMY. Which is why it's weird that most Mormons describe homosexuality as being several levels worse than fornication and adultery but defend polygamy to the death and half of those are excited for it to come back. And no, there is no loophole for polygamy. Like 2 verses before the supposed loophole , God essentially says that there are no loopholes(don't use David and Abraham and Solomon and Jacob as justification). The traditional interpretation of that "loophole" is nonsensical given the context

In no way is this a defense of homosexuality, but the scriptures that Christians use to condemn homosexuality are FAR less detailed and explicit than the scriptures are about polygamy.

It's weird and judgmental to add incels(this attitude is the reason why our Church leaders have increased efforts to love and support missionaries who left early) and put them LAST but okay?

^so much absolute false doctrine and nonsense in this post.

You arguing against polygamy when Joseph, Brigham, and the rest of the early prophets and apostles all practiced it, is absolutely insane. Yet, you still believe in the book that these men championed only because you think it helps your argument. If these men were lecherous dogs, then surely their "fruit" (i.e. the restored gospel of Christ) would also be false? Yet, rabid so called "mormon feminists" cherry pick the parts of the gospel they like and rewrite the parts they don't. News flash, WE STILL PRACTICE PLURAL MARRIAGE. A man can still be sealed to another woman in the temple for time and all eternity upon his other wife's death or if they simply divorce but dont terminate their temple sealing. This means that he will be sealed to multiple wives in the next life. This happens even now in the church. If polygamy was so wrong we wouldnt see this still being upheld in the Lord's temple. But go on, keep quoting Jacob 2 and believe that you are right. It is the scripture that so many Anti mormon groups use against us as well. They think it so clever to use our own book of scripture to debunk plural marriage. There is indeed a condition that is required for plural marriage to be allowed, and that is upon the Lord's command. David and Solomon are used as the example for how it is NOT to be practised because they both went after women that were not given or allowed to them from the Lord. David with Bathsheba and Solomon chasing all those women from foreign nations that worshiped false gods and idols are the reasons why they are brought up as being offensive to God. The other wives that they were allowed by God was good and wholesome and blessed of God. It was only when they both went beyond those bounds and sought women or a woman that they should not have pursued.

As to the OP,
1. Gay marriage bothers me the most. It's a gross perversion of what God has ordained. The biological parts dont even fit together and no offspring can be had through this unnatural union. One might as well just engage in bestiality for all the good it does to produce young. These are gross perversions against nature and God. (Its funny how feminists will defend this sin to the hilt but will go rabid when plural marriage is brought up)
2. Black men and white women getting married bothers me. I know it seems weird to specify it that way, but it's because the divorce rate is so high and I've known several nice young ladies who have gotten involved in these relationships only to get beat, cheated on, treated like crap, etc... I'm not a racist, and I have many friends who are black and I consider them true friends. They have confided to me that many of their black friends want a white woman simply because "it pisses off whitey". It isnt at all that they love the girl. It's because they are angry at white people and want to hurt and humiliate one of the white man's treasures, their daughters. Unfortunately, these girls dont understand that the deep seated hatred goes beyond their meager understanding of "race relations".
I have zero objections to pretty much any other race marrying, so long as their religion matches up. If not for the couple, but for their children.
2. Polyandry- wow. That is just gross and confusing. Who is the dad when the woman gets pregnant? Are we supposed to keep a DNA tester around the home to answer this question? I could go on, but the thought is just one of shaking my head with "why"? There are more women than there are men in the world, why do you need to share one woman among so many men who are already outnumbered by women.

3. Celibacy- talk about wasted potential. I think it a lesser evil than homosexuality or bestiality, but it is still not right. If we cant find the "right one" is that really a reflection of their own arrogance and unwillingness to humble themselves in accepting that nobody is perfect. We all have faults and we need to be able to forgive one another, as the Savior taught. I dont understand how somebody can go thru life and never once meet a person who could have made a good match for them. One wonders if their own attachment to material possessions or careers are what hold them back.

4. Big age gaps- weird but not offensive. The older one gets, the less age gap matters. Nobody bats an eye with a couple that is 80 and 70 yrs old respectively, but would freak if somebody is 25 and married a 15 yr old. (I would too, btw)

5. Cousins- Meh. Not my cup of tea, but if the selection isnt there, (i.e. nobody else in the true gospel of our Lord) it would be worse to marry outside the gospel.

You mad?

[Rick Grimes]

As far as homosexuality and polygamy? The scriptures condemn both. Ironically, the scriptures are only really explicit and clear about the condemnation about one of them. Care to guess?
POLYGAMY. Which is why it's weird that most Mormons describe homosexuality as being several levels worse than fornication and adultery but defend polygamy to the death and half of those are excited for it to come back. And no, there is no loophole for polygamy. Like 2 verses before the supposed loophole , God essentially says that there are no loopholes(don't use David and Abraham and Solomon and Jacob as justification). The traditional interpretation of that "loophole" is nonsensical given the context

In no way is this a defense of homosexuality, but the scriptures that Christians use to condemn homosexuality are FAR less detailed and explicit than the scriptures are about polygamy.

It's weird and judgmental to add incels(this attitude is the reason why our Church leaders have increased efforts to love and support missionaries who left early) and put them LAST but okay?

^so much absolute false doctrine and nonsense in this post.

You arguing against polygamy when Joseph, Brigham, and the rest of the early prophets and apostles all practiced it, is absolutely insane. Yet, you still believe in the book that these men championed only because you think it helps your argument. If these men were lecherous dogs, then surely their "fruit" (i.e. the restored gospel of Christ) would also be false? Yet, rabid so called "mormon feminists" cherry pick the parts of the gospel they like and rewrite the parts they don't. News flash, WE STILL PRACTICE PLURAL MARRIAGE. A man can still be sealed to another woman in the temple for time and all eternity upon his other wife's death or if they simply divorce but dont terminate their temple sealing. This means that he will be sealed to multiple wives in the next life. This happens even now in the church. If polygamy was so wrong we wouldnt see this still being upheld in the Lord's temple. But go on, keep quoting Jacob 2 and believe that you are right. It is the scripture that so many Anti mormon groups use against us as well. They think it so clever to use our own book of scripture to debunk plural marriage. There is indeed a condition that is required for plural marriage to be allowed, and that is upon the Lord's command. David and Solomon are used as the example for how it is NOT to be practised because they both went after women that were not given or allowed to them from the Lord. David with Bathsheba and Solomon chasing all those women from foreign nations that worshiped false gods and idols are the reasons why they are brought up as being offensive to God. The other wives that they were allowed by God was good and wholesome and blessed of God. It was only when they both went beyond those bounds and sought women or a woman that they should not have pursued.

As to the OP,
1. Gay marriage bothers me the most. It's a gross perversion of what God has ordained. The biological parts dont even fit together and no offspring can be had through this unnatural union. One might as well just engage in bestiality for all the good it does to produce young. These are gross perversions against nature and God. (Its funny how feminists will defend this sin to the hilt but will go rabid when plural marriage is brought up)
2. Black men and white women getting married bothers me. I know it seems weird to specify it that way, but it's because the divorce rate is so high and I've known several nice young ladies who have gotten involved in these relationships only to get beat, cheated on, treated like crap, etc... I'm not a racist, and I have many friends who are black and I consider them true friends. They have confided to me that many of their black friends want a white woman simply because "it pisses off whitey". It isnt at all that they love the girl. It's because they are angry at white people and want to hurt and humiliate one of the white man's treasures, their daughters. Unfortunately, these girls dont understand that the deep seated hatred goes beyond their meager understanding of "race relations".
I have zero objections to pretty much any other race marrying, so long as their religion matches up. If not for the couple, but for their children.
2. Polyandry- wow. That is just gross and confusing. Who is the dad when the woman gets pregnant? Are we supposed to keep a DNA tester around the home to answer this question? I could go on, but the thought is just one of shaking my head with "why"? There are more women than there are men in the world, why do you need to share one woman among so many men who are already outnumbered by women.

3. Celibacy- talk about wasted potential. I think it a lesser evil than homosexuality or bestiality, but it is still not right. If we cant find the "right one" is that really a reflection of their own arrogance and unwillingness to humble themselves in accepting that nobody is perfect. We all have faults and we need to be able to forgive one another, as the Savior taught. I dont understand how somebody can go thru life and never once meet a person who could have made a good match for them. One wonders if their own attachment to material possessions or careers are what hold them back.

4. Big age gaps- weird but not offensive. The older one gets, the less age gap matters. Nobody bats an eye with a couple that is 80 and 70 yrs old respectively, but would freak if somebody is 25 and married a 15 yr old. (I would too, btw)

5. Cousins- Meh. Not my cup of tea, but if the selection isnt there, (i.e. nobody else in the true gospel of our Lord) it would be worse to marry outside the gospel.

You mad?

No. Not at all. I just want to clarify false doctrine. Its material straight out of the anti mormon playbook and you are repeating it like a parrot.

[LDS Watchman]

As far as homosexuality and polygamy? The scriptures condemn both. Ironically, the scriptures are only really explicit and clear about the condemnation about one of them. Care to guess?
POLYGAMY. Which is why it's weird that most Mormons describe homosexuality as being several levels worse than fornication and adultery but defend polygamy to the death and half of those are excited for it to come back. And no, there is no loophole for polygamy. Like 2 verses before the supposed loophole , God essentially says that there are no loopholes(don't use David and Abraham and Solomon and Jacob as justification). The traditional interpretation of that "loophole" is nonsensical given the context

In no way is this a defense of homosexuality, but the scriptures that Christians use to condemn homosexuality are FAR less detailed and explicit than the scriptures are about polygamy.

It's weird and judgmental to add incels(this attitude is the reason why our Church leaders have increased efforts to love and support missionaries who left early) and put them LAST but okay?

I think it's funny how you snuck the practice of plural marriage by Abraham and Jacob into Jacob 2 when it isn't mentioned.

Never let the truth get in the way of a good story I guess.

[Rick Grimes]

As far as homosexuality and polygamy? The scriptures condemn both. Ironically, the scriptures are only really explicit and clear about the condemnation about one of them. Care to guess?
POLYGAMY. Which is why it's weird that most Mormons describe homosexuality as being several levels worse than fornication and adultery but defend polygamy to the death and half of those are excited for it to come back. And no, there is no loophole for polygamy. Like 2 verses before the supposed loophole , God essentially says that there are no loopholes(don't use David and Abraham and Solomon and Jacob as justification). The traditional interpretation of that "loophole" is nonsensical given the context

In no way is this a defense of homosexuality, but the scriptures that Christians use to condemn homosexuality are FAR less detailed and explicit than the scriptures are about polygamy.

It's weird and judgmental to add incels(this attitude is the reason why our Church leaders have increased efforts to love and support missionaries who left early) and put them LAST but okay?

I think it's funny how you snuck the practice of plural marriage by Abraham and Jacob into Jacob 2 when it isn't mentioned.

Never let the truth get in the way of a good story I guess.

It's funny how the anti's will mix the truth with a lie. Glad I wasnt the only one that caught that.

[Zathura]

As far as homosexuality and polygamy? The scriptures condemn both. Ironically, the scriptures are only really explicit and clear about the condemnation about one of them. Care to guess?
POLYGAMY. Which is why it's weird that most Mormons describe homosexuality as being several levels worse than fornication and adultery but defend polygamy to the death and half of those are excited for it to come back. And no, there is no loophole for polygamy. Like 2 verses before the supposed loophole , God essentially says that there are no loopholes(don't use David and Abraham and Solomon and Jacob as justification). The traditional interpretation of that "loophole" is nonsensical given the context

In no way is this a defense of homosexuality, but the scriptures that Christians use to condemn homosexuality are FAR less detailed and explicit than the scriptures are about polygamy.

It's weird and judgmental to add incels(this attitude is the reason why our Church leaders have increased efforts to love and support missionaries who left early) and put them LAST but okay?

I think it's funny how you snuck the practice of plural marriage by Abraham and Jacob into Jacob 2 when it isn't mentioned.

Never let the truth get in the way of a good story I guess.

I think it’s funny that you think God should have to explicitly include them in order for it to be apparent he’s talking about them Too. Kinda how God had to explicitly list out every single possible way we could sin.

Oh wait, he doesn’t do that. We are expected to use our heads and think for ourselves, as difficult as that sounds.

“Them of old”
“One Wife”

Use your head.

[Zathura]

As far as homosexuality and polygamy? The scriptures condemn both. Ironically, the scriptures are only really explicit and clear about the condemnation about one of them. Care to guess?
POLYGAMY. Which is why it's weird that most Mormons describe homosexuality as being several levels worse than fornication and adultery but defend polygamy to the death and half of those are excited for it to come back. And no, there is no loophole for polygamy. Like 2 verses before the supposed loophole , God essentially says that there are no loopholes(don't use David and Abraham and Solomon and Jacob as justification). The traditional interpretation of that "loophole" is nonsensical given the context

In no way is this a defense of homosexuality, but the scriptures that Christians use to condemn homosexuality are FAR less detailed and explicit than the scriptures are about polygamy.

It's weird and judgmental to add incels(this attitude is the reason why our Church leaders have increased efforts to love and support missionaries who left early) and put them LAST but okay?

I think it's funny how you snuck the practice of plural marriage by Abraham and Jacob into Jacob 2 when it isn't mentioned.

Never let the truth get in the way of a good story I guess.

It's funny how the anti's will mix the truth with a lie. Glad I wasnt the only one that caught that.

Again, use your head.

Go ahead and think of the endless list of things that we believe to be a sin and yet God does not ever explicitly say such things are a sin.

Abortion? Not mentioned anywhere. You gotta use your head.

There is no flaw in my scriptural based condemnation of polygamy, so you and Matthias have conjured up this adorable little attack to make it sound like I’ve somehow lied. If I’m a liar, then so is every other Christian who claims abortion is a sin.

Good luck with your little world there buddy, you two can high five each other and tell each other how great you are.

It’s also funny because you’re buddy buddy with Matthias and calling ME “anti” , thinking Matthias must also be laughing at these “antis” like Stahura when you don’t even realize Matthias constantly attacks the church from every angle and is set on the idea that the Church is Currently Apostate and spews that all over every thread that talks about the Current state of the church and I’ve never done such a thing or expressed such a belief.

Yeah, good one buddy. You’ve unknowingly partnered up with someone that’s ACTUALLY openly anti-Mormon

[LDS Watchman]

As far as homosexuality and polygamy? The scriptures condemn both. Ironically, the scriptures are only really explicit and clear about the condemnation about one of them. Care to guess?
POLYGAMY. Which is why it's weird that most Mormons describe homosexuality as being several levels worse than fornication and adultery but defend polygamy to the death and half of those are excited for it to come back. And no, there is no loophole for polygamy. Like 2 verses before the supposed loophole , God essentially says that there are no loopholes(don't use David and Abraham and Solomon and Jacob as justification). The traditional interpretation of that "loophole" is nonsensical given the context

In no way is this a defense of homosexuality, but the scriptures that Christians use to condemn homosexuality are FAR less detailed and explicit than the scriptures are about polygamy.

It's weird and judgmental to add incels(this attitude is the reason why our Church leaders have increased efforts to love and support missionaries who left early) and put them LAST but okay?

I think it's funny how you snuck the practice of plural marriage by Abraham and Jacob into Jacob 2 when it isn't mentioned.

Never let the truth get in the way of a good story I guess.

It's funny how the anti's will mix the truth with a lie. Glad I wasnt the only one that caught that.

Again, use your head.

Go ahead and think of the endless list of things that we believe to be a sin and yet God does not ever explicitly say such things are a sin.

Abortion? Not mentioned anywhere. You gotta use your head.

There is no flaw in my scriptural based condemnation of polygamy, so you and Matthias have conjured up this adorable little attack to make it sound like I’ve somehow lied. If I’m a liar, then so is every other Christian who claims abortion is a sin.

Good luck with your little world there buddy, you two can high five each other and tell each other how great you are.

It’s also funny because you’re buddy buddy with Matthias and calling ME “anti” , thinking Matthias must also be laughing at these “antis” like Stahura when you don’t even realize Matthias constantly attacks the church from every angle and is set on the idea that the Church is Currently Apostate and spews that all over every thread that talks about the Current state of the church and I’ve never done such a thing or expressed such a belief.

Yeah, good one buddy. You’ve unknowingly partnered up with someone that’s ACTUALLY openly anti-Mormon

Gee Staturah, I didn't realize that you were the defender of the faith and I was the bitter apostate teaching false doctrine and hurling unfounded accusations at the Saints of God.

I guess it was me who accused Brigham Young and his associates of being lying whoremongers who invented a fake revelation and spread lies about Joseph Smith so they could get with a bunch of women besides their wives.

I guess it was me who accused Abraham and Jacob of committing whoredoms and abominations contrary to the command of God.

If your narrative is correct, then the Church was completely apostate by the time we got to Utah.

I have defended the Faith time and time again.

But it seems that because I see the corruption in the Church that I love with all my heart, now I'm an anti-Mormon in your book while you who spew false accusations of the worst kind against the early Saints of God in our dispensation and in ancient times for doing their best to live the Celestial law of plural marriage according to God's command are the defender of the faith.

Give me a break.

[Rick Grimes]

As far as homosexuality and polygamy? The scriptures condemn both. Ironically, the scriptures are only really explicit and clear about the condemnation about one of them. Care to guess?
POLYGAMY. Which is why it's weird that most Mormons describe homosexuality as being several levels worse than fornication and adultery but defend polygamy to the death and half of those are excited for it to come back. And no, there is no loophole for polygamy. Like 2 verses before the supposed loophole , God essentially says that there are no loopholes(don't use David and Abraham and Solomon and Jacob as justification). The traditional interpretation of that "loophole" is nonsensical given the context

In no way is this a defense of homosexuality, but the scriptures that Christians use to condemn homosexuality are FAR less detailed and explicit than the scriptures are about polygamy.

It's weird and judgmental to add incels(this attitude is the reason why our Church leaders have increased efforts to love and support missionaries who left early) and put them LAST but okay?

I think it's funny how you snuck the practice of plural marriage by Abraham and Jacob into Jacob 2 when it isn't mentioned.

Never let the truth get in the way of a good story I guess.

It's funny how the anti's will mix the truth with a lie. Glad I wasnt the only one that caught that.

Again, use your head.

Go ahead and think of the endless list of things that we believe to be a sin and yet God does not ever explicitly say such things are a sin.

Abortion? Not mentioned anywhere. You gotta use your head.

There is no flaw in my scriptural based condemnation of polygamy, so you and Matthias have conjured up this adorable little attack to make it sound like I’ve somehow lied. If I’m a liar, then so is every other Christian who claims abortion is a sin.

Good luck with your little world there buddy, you two can high five each other and tell each other how great you are.

It’s also funny because you’re buddy buddy with Matthias and calling ME “anti” , thinking Matthias must also be laughing at these “antis” like Stahura when you don’t even realize Matthias constantly attacks the church from every angle and is set on the idea that the Church is Currently Apostate and spews that all over every thread that talks about the Current state of the church and I’ve never done such a thing or expressed such a belief.

Yeah, good one buddy. You’ve unknowingly partnered up with someone that’s ACTUALLY openly anti-Mormon

Stahura,
I know that Matthias has some real concerns about the church and how we are going. Truth be told, alot of us do. But it's because it hurts our heart to see the beautiful Kingdom of our Lord lose its luster and brilliance of truth and authority when we capitulate to the latest worldly fad such as gay marriage, gender identity, gender roles, etc...

That being said, I have read your own statements and have noticed you have nothing against making accusations against former prophets and apostles all because they don't hold to your version of feminist Mormonism.

As to why I call you an "Anti" is because you are quoting from the anti-mormon drivel that you can find on the internet. The anti mormon Tanners, I'm sure, would be happy to provide further tutelage to you, on any other themes you wish to attack the church on.

Your attacks against plural marriage are not at all scriptural or historically sound. Furthermore, we still practice plural marriage today, just not for this life, but beyond the veil. Unless that is also bunk, you must also accept this as a fact. Plural marriage is indeed allowed by God, when he authorizes it.

[The Airbender]

I find it weird we now live in a day where Gay marriage is accepted but Polygamy is like the worse thing possibly imaginable. Since everything on this forum goes back to Polygamy and Gay marriage...how would you rank the following scenarios in terms of how comfortable you are with them:

Interracial marriage, huge age gap (over 25 years) marriage, teenage marriage (like 13-15), Polygamy, cousin marriage, polyamory, polyandry, and finally gay marriage. As for me

1. Interracial, age gap, teenage, and polygamous marriages all have issues but I’ve known plenty of individuals involved in such unions (40’s woman marrying 90’s man, girl getting married at 13, and polygamous women) and for some reason it just doesn’t seem strange close up, different for sure but definitely not strange, gross or deviant.

2. I don’t know any polyandrous people so I realistically can’t comment

3. I actually know plenty of LGBT people and I’m legit very, very close to some of them and Gay marriage (and polyamory) still bothers me 100x more than polygamy. All forms of LGBT is based on demonic influence and is the lowest vibrational form of sexuality and doesn’t even belong on a telestial world. That’s why even on this telestial earth it always gets stamped out.

We surely live in a post-feminist society. I’m sure 99% of people who’ve lived on this planet historically would’ve agreed with me but it’s incredible to think that nowadays the first few different types are considered the greatest evil ever and Gay marriage is normal. I’ll tell you why...it’s because some marriages produce offspring and others can’t. Because of that certain things are more promoted by the Devil’s agenda than others. Oh by the way, I believe the church is true....that means I believe what the church teaches is true....which means Joseph practiced Polygamy. Also elder mcconckie said it’s coming back in the millennium so there’s that. Just sayin’

Satan is for that which is not of God and against that which is of God. Doesn't get much clearer than that.

[Thinker]

As far as homosexuality and polygamy? The scriptures condemn both. Ironically, the scriptures are only really explicit and clear about the condemnation about one of them. Care to guess?
POLYGAMY. Which is why it's weird that most Mormons describe homosexuality as being several levels worse than fornication and adultery...

Again, use your head.

Please, use your head too.
Homosexuality is worse. It proves to be harmful in multiple ways.

Even if scripture didn’t explicitly condemn homosexuality by stating, “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination” - if you USE YOUR HEAD, you’d realize that people who engage in homosexuality are punished by that sin. Those who engage in homosexuality - especially men - have much higher rates of STDs, HIV/AIDS, mental illness and anal sex complications (because the anus is anatomically designed as an exit, not entrance - another thing you’d realize if you actually used that God-given brain of yours.) Reproductive parts of the same sex do not fit together, but those of the opposite sex do. And it is also obvious that each and every human being on this planet bares testimony of heterosexuality as the natural order - with homosexuality being a disorder (not of the order of nature). It’s also clear that children need a mother and father not only to exist but to be raised under ideal conditions.


Regarding polygamy, as mentioned, there have been times when it was right, and times when it was wrong. Generally, I think marriage between 1 man and 1 woman is the ideal foundation to raise a family. Still, up to 60% of (US) married people cheat at some time - which could be seen as a form of polygamy or polyandry. A non-lds childhood friend teases me about Joseph Smith & all his wives, yet this friend is married but has a girlfriend and kids with her in another area - so I tease him that he emulates well, the old Mormon way.

[Serragon]

I don't believe Stahura is anti-mormon.

[Zathura]

As far as homosexuality and polygamy? The scriptures condemn both. Ironically, the scriptures are only really explicit and clear about the condemnation about one of them. Care to guess?
POLYGAMY. Which is why it's weird that most Mormons describe homosexuality as being several levels worse than fornication and adultery...

Again, use your head.

Please, use your head too.
Homosexuality is worse. It proves to be harmful in multiple ways.

Even if scripture didn’t explicitly condemn homosexuality by stating, “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination” - if you USE YOUR HEAD, you’d realize that people who engage in homosexuality are punished by that sin. Those who engage in homosexuality - especially men - have much higher rates of STDs, HIV/AIDS, mental illness and anal sex complications (because the anus is anatomically designed as an exit, not entrance - another thing you’d realize if you actually used that God-given brain of yours.) Reproductive parts of the same sex do not fit together, but those of the opposite sex do. And it is also obvious that each and every human being on this planet bares testimony of heterosexuality as the natural order - with homosexuality being a disorder (not of the order of nature). It’s also clear that children need a mother and father not only to exist but to be raised under ideal conditions.


Regarding polygamy, as mentioned, there have been times when it was right, and times when it was wrong. Generally, I think marriage between 1 man and 1 woman is the ideal foundation to raise a family. Still, up to 60% of (US) married people cheat at some time - which could be seen as a form of polygamy or polyandry. A non-lds childhood friend teases me about Joseph Smith & all his wives, yet this friend is married but has a girlfriend and kids with her in another area - so I tease him that he emulates well, the old Mormon way.

I never justified or played down the severity of homosexuality. I only pointed out the FACT that polygamy is explicitly condemned much more clearly AND more often than homosexuality in the scriptures , making it incredibly ironic that the same people that fawn over polygamy and can’t wait for it to return and claim the church is fallen because polygamy ended are almost obsessed with the harm homosexuality has/will cause to the church.

This entire post is pointless, you’re preaching to the choir, responding to a phantom post.

In regards to what you said about polygamy, no, it was never right. You can’t find a single instance of Gods approval or command to practice it without wresting the scripture and twisting it to mean something other than what it was intended to mean.

[Zathura]

I think it's funny how you snuck the practice of plural marriage by Abraham and Jacob into Jacob 2 when it isn't mentioned.

Never let the truth get in the way of a good story I guess.

It's funny how the anti's will mix the truth with a lie. Glad I wasnt the only one that caught that.

Again, use your head.

Go ahead and think of the endless list of things that we believe to be a sin and yet God does not ever explicitly say such things are a sin.

Abortion? Not mentioned anywhere. You gotta use your head.

There is no flaw in my scriptural based condemnation of polygamy, so you and Matthias have conjured up this adorable little attack to make it sound like I’ve somehow lied. If I’m a liar, then so is every other Christian who claims abortion is a sin.

Good luck with your little world there buddy, you two can high five each other and tell each other how great you are.

It’s also funny because you’re buddy buddy with Matthias and calling ME “anti” , thinking Matthias must also be laughing at these “antis” like Stahura when you don’t even realize Matthias constantly attacks the church from every angle and is set on the idea that the Church is Currently Apostate and spews that all over every thread that talks about the Current state of the church and I’ve never done such a thing or expressed such a belief.

Yeah, good one buddy. You’ve unknowingly partnered up with someone that’s ACTUALLY openly anti-Mormon

Stahura,
I know that Matthias has some real concerns about the church and how we are going. Truth be told, alot of us do. But it's because it hurts our heart to see the beautiful Kingdom of our Lord lose its luster and brilliance of truth and authority when we capitulate to the latest worldly fad such as gay marriage, gender identity, gender roles, etc...

That being said, I have read your own statements and have noticed you have nothing against making accusations against former prophets and apostles all because they don't hold to your version of feminist Mormonism.

As to why I call you an "Anti" is because you are quoting from the anti-mormon drivel that you can find on the internet. The anti mormon Tanners, I'm sure, would be happy to provide further tutelage to you, on any other themes you wish to attack the church on.

Your attacks against plural marriage are not at all scriptural or historically sound. Furthermore, we still practice plural marriage today, just not for this life, but beyond the veil. Unless that is also bunk, you must also accept this as a fact. Plural marriage is indeed allowed by God, when he authorizes it.

I’m a defender of the church in almost every other aspect and topic, while Matthias attacks the church in almost every other aspect . It should REALLY tell you something about yourself if this single topic makes you so emotional that you team up with a proper anti-Mormon like Matthias and justify his actions while at the same time exaggerating mine and demonizing me.
Really. Look inward for a sec there.

It’s adorable that you just can’t get over your emotions and this causes you to make nonsense up about me and call me a feminist.

I’m sorry that you need to stoop down to the level of the actual SJW feminists and start name dropping because you don’t have a proper argument.

Facts don’t care about your feelings .

feel free to keep teaming up with Matthias, who is actively campaigning against the church. It’s actually hilarious how severely you downplayed how anti-Mormon he is while at the same time exaggerating my own posts.

I have defended the church from proper anti/Mormons my whole life. I have defended Nelson and the brethren in countless threads, I have created my own threads in defense of the members of the church who defend the church, but you’re too angry and blinded by this single
Topic to recognize this. You couldn’t be further from the truth about Matthias and Me, and you really just look ridiculous to people who have actually paid attention to anything I or Matthias have said elsewhere.

[LDS Watchman]

It's funny how the anti's will mix the truth with a lie. Glad I wasnt the only one that caught that.

Again, use your head.

Go ahead and think of the endless list of things that we believe to be a sin and yet God does not ever explicitly say such things are a sin.

Abortion? Not mentioned anywhere. You gotta use your head.

There is no flaw in my scriptural based condemnation of polygamy, so you and Matthias have conjured up this adorable little attack to make it sound like I’ve somehow lied. If I’m a liar, then so is every other Christian who claims abortion is a sin.

Good luck with your little world there buddy, you two can high five each other and tell each other how great you are.

It’s also funny because you’re buddy buddy with Matthias and calling ME “anti” , thinking Matthias must also be laughing at these “antis” like Stahura when you don’t even realize Matthias constantly attacks the church from every angle and is set on the idea that the Church is Currently Apostate and spews that all over every thread that talks about the Current state of the church and I’ve never done such a thing or expressed such a belief.

Yeah, good one buddy. You’ve unknowingly partnered up with someone that’s ACTUALLY openly anti-Mormon

Stahura,
I know that Matthias has some real concerns about the church and how we are going. Truth be told, alot of us do. But it's because it hurts our heart to see the beautiful Kingdom of our Lord lose its luster and brilliance of truth and authority when we capitulate to the latest worldly fad such as gay marriage, gender identity, gender roles, etc...

That being said, I have read your own statements and have noticed you have nothing against making accusations against former prophets and apostles all because they don't hold to your version of feminist Mormonism.

As to why I call you an "Anti" is because you are quoting from the anti-mormon drivel that you can find on the internet. The anti mormon Tanners, I'm sure, would be happy to provide further tutelage to you, on any other themes you wish to attack the church on.

Your attacks against plural marriage are not at all scriptural or historically sound. Furthermore, we still practice plural marriage today, just not for this life, but beyond the veil. Unless that is also bunk, you must also accept this as a fact. Plural marriage is indeed allowed by God, when he authorizes it.

I’m a defender of the church in almost every other aspect and topic, while Matthias attacks the church in almost every other aspect . It should REALLY tell you something about yourself if this single topic makes you so emotional that you team up with a proper anti-Mormon like Matthias and justify his actions while at the same time exaggerating mine and demonizing me.
Really. Look inward for a sec there.

It’s adorable that you just can’t get over your emotions and this causes you to make nonsense up about me and call me a feminist.

I’m sorry that you need to stoop down to the level of the actual SJW feminists and start name dropping because you don’t have a proper argument.

Facts don’t care about your feelings .

feel free to keep teaming up with Matthias, who is actively campaigning against the church. It’s actually hilarious how severely you downplayed how anti-Mormon he is while at the same time exaggerating my own posts.

I have defended the church from proper anti/Mormons my whole life. I have defended Nelson and the brethren in countless threads, I have created my own threads in defense of the members of the church who defend the church, but you’re too angry and blinded by this single
Topic to recognize this. You couldn’t be further from the truth about Matthias and Me, and you really just look ridiculous to people who have actually paid attention to anything I or Matthias have said elsewhere.

I'm truly curious why you keep referring to me as an anti-Mormon.

An anti-Mormon is someone who believes that the Church is false, that Joseph Smith was a false prophet, that the Book of Mormon is not a true record of an ancient people, that the revelations in the D&C are false, basically that everything to do with the Church is false.

This is not what I believe.

I believe 100% in the truthfulness of the restoration of the gospel through Joseph Smith. I believe that the scriptures he brought forth are true. I believe that the Church is the Lord's church and that we are his people. I believe that Brigham Young was the man God chose to lead the Saints west. I believe in the traditional narrative of the Church in every respect, except for one.

The only issue I have with the Church, and it's a big one, is that I believe the changes made in the Church that contradict previous teachings and the scriptures are wrong. Based on this, and the complete absence of prophecy, revelation, and seership from our modern church leaders, I'm forced to conclude that they, are in serious error in at least some of the things they have done in the past and are doing today.

That doesn't mean that I think there isn't anything good left in the Church. Clearly there is. I'm an active member. I pay a full tithing, serve in two callings, plan on sending my son's on missions for the Church, just like any other member.

The difference again is that I see the corruption in the Church and refuse to put my head in the sand about it and blindly nod along to things I believe are wrong.

I don't believe that makes me an anti-Mormon.