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abijah`
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uk elections
anybody paying attention to them?
as of now exit polls show landslide tory victory and labour loss. even if polling is off, it would have to be off by a wild margin for things to even just turn out decent for labour.
wonder how brexit proceedings will go on from here.
as of now exit polls show landslide tory victory and labour loss. even if polling is off, it would have to be off by a wild margin for things to even just turn out decent for labour.
wonder how brexit proceedings will go on from here.
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abijah`
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Re: uk elections
This outcome was Brexit's last hope imho.abijah` wrote: ↑December 12th, 2019, 5:50 pm anybody paying attention to them?
as of now exit polls show landslide tory victory and labour loss. even if polling is off, it would have to be off by a wild margin for things to even just turn out decent for labour.
wonder how brexit proceedings will go on from here.
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Dave62
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Re: uk elections
Boris Johnson, like Donald Trump is neither conservative nor right-winged. He is a national-populist; whereas Corbyn is a global-elitist. This is how traditional Labour seats moved to the conservative side. When you stop using the outdated Left-Right paradigm you will gain clearer analysis.
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Big win for the Conservative party.
I worked as a Presiding Officer at a busy polling station. A lot of exhasperation with politics over the Brexit fiasco in the House of Commons. A lot of people were angry, especially towards the two-faced politicians who have repeatedly attempted to thwart the will of the people.
Now there is clarity, with many of the "remainers" losing their seats, the threat of socialism removed, and Boris giving his word that Brexit will be done by 31st January, and a free trade deal with the EU concluded by the end of 2020.
Interesting times.
The next high level UK/US summit meeting will be the ultimate in bad hair days.
I worked as a Presiding Officer at a busy polling station. A lot of exhasperation with politics over the Brexit fiasco in the House of Commons. A lot of people were angry, especially towards the two-faced politicians who have repeatedly attempted to thwart the will of the people.
Now there is clarity, with many of the "remainers" losing their seats, the threat of socialism removed, and Boris giving his word that Brexit will be done by 31st January, and a free trade deal with the EU concluded by the end of 2020.
Interesting times.
The next high level UK/US summit meeting will be the ultimate in bad hair days.
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Dave62
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Re: uk elections
Robin Hood wrote: ↑December 13th, 2019, 3:04 am
The next high level UK/US summit meeting will be the ultimate in bad hair days.
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lundbaek
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Re: uk elections
Good on you, Robin Hood, for having worked as a Presiding Officer at a polling station.
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Striker
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Re: uk elections
Oh happy day.....now we have clarity we can look forward to the next agitation, which will roll on for years. Namely the SNP pushing for Scottish independence and the beginning of the end of the Union. And years of good work in Northern Ireland being put in grave danger by upsetting the Unionists. But I'm sure Boris has a plan to deal with all of this because he's going to 'pull the British people together'Robin Hood wrote: ↑December 13th, 2019, 3:04 am Big win for the Conservative party.
I worked as a Presiding Officer at a busy polling station. A lot of exhasperation with politics over the Brexit fiasco in the House of Commons. A lot of people were angry, especially towards the two-faced politicians who have repeatedly attempted to thwart the will of the people.
Now there is clarity, with many of the "remainers" losing their seats, the threat of socialism removed, and Boris giving his word that Brexit will be done by 31st January, and a free trade deal with the EU concluded by the end of 2020.
Interesting times.
The next high level UK/US summit meeting will be the ultimate in bad hair days.
The 'British people' have been anything but together since the last long run of Conservative rule under Thatcher and it's not going to change under this clown.
The worrying thing is that he has such a large majority he can now actually do as he wishes...it's a frightening thought.
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How is the threat of socialism removed? I’m not knowledgeable on UK politics.Robin Hood wrote: ↑December 13th, 2019, 3:04 am Big win for the Conservative party.
I worked as a Presiding Officer at a busy polling station. A lot of exhasperation with politics over the Brexit fiasco in the House of Commons. A lot of people were angry, especially towards the two-faced politicians who have repeatedly attempted to thwart the will of the people.
Now there is clarity, with many of the "remainers" losing their seats, the threat of socialism removed, and Boris giving his word that Brexit will be done by 31st January, and a free trade deal with the EU concluded by the end of 2020.
Interesting times.
The next high level UK/US summit meeting will be the ultimate in bad hair days.
Also what is meant by the bad hair day idiom?
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Re: uk elections
The leader of the opposition Labour Party on the UK was a rather hard core socialist. Given the mood of the electorate in the UK he was really the wrong man to be leading Labour into an election.ori wrote: ↑December 13th, 2019, 7:44 pmHow is the threat of socialism removed? I’m not knowledgeable on UK politics.Robin Hood wrote: ↑December 13th, 2019, 3:04 am Big win for the Conservative party.
I worked as a Presiding Officer at a busy polling station. A lot of exhasperation with politics over the Brexit fiasco in the House of Commons. A lot of people were angry, especially towards the two-faced politicians who have repeatedly attempted to thwart the will of the people.
Now there is clarity, with many of the "remainers" losing their seats, the threat of socialism removed, and Boris giving his word that Brexit will be done by 31st January, and a free trade deal with the EU concluded by the end of 2020.
Interesting times.
The next high level UK/US summit meeting will be the ultimate in bad hair days.
Also what is meant by the bad hair day idiom?
The reference to a bad hair day is the fact that both Boris Johnson the Prime Minister of the UK and Donald Trump are both known for the unkempt hair styles.
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tdj
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Re: uk elections
Yes, their hair is absolutely AWFUL to put it mildly. Although as hideous as it is, Trumps unique hairdo has become somewhat of a signature piece.gkearney wrote: ↑December 13th, 2019, 7:54 pmThe leader of the opposition Labour Party on the UK was a rather hard core socialist. Given the mood of the electorate in the UK he was really the wrong man to be leading Labour into an election.ori wrote: ↑December 13th, 2019, 7:44 pmHow is the threat of socialism removed? I’m not knowledgeable on UK politics.Robin Hood wrote: ↑December 13th, 2019, 3:04 am Big win for the Conservative party.
I worked as a Presiding Officer at a busy polling station. A lot of exhasperation with politics over the Brexit fiasco in the House of Commons. A lot of people were angry, especially towards the two-faced politicians who have repeatedly attempted to thwart the will of the people.
Now there is clarity, with many of the "remainers" losing their seats, the threat of socialism removed, and Boris giving his word that Brexit will be done by 31st January, and a free trade deal with the EU concluded by the end of 2020.
Interesting times.
The next high level UK/US summit meeting will be the ultimate in bad hair days.
Also what is meant by the bad hair day idiom?
The reference to a bad hair day is the fact that both Boris Johnson the Prime Minister of the UK and Donald Trump are both known for the unkempt hair styles.
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Re: uk elections
Every time the Labour party move significantly to the left, they are resoundingly rejected by the British electorate. It happened in the 1980's and they were out of office for 18 years as a result. It's as if every couple of decades someone presses the self-destruct button. Only when they went in a different direction under Tony Blair did they become electable.Striker wrote: ↑December 13th, 2019, 5:41 pmOh happy day.....now we have clarity we can look forward to the next agitation, which will roll on for years. Namely the SNP pushing for Scottish independence and the beginning of the end of the Union. And years of good work in Northern Ireland being put in grave danger by upsetting the Unionists. But I'm sure Boris has a plan to deal with all of this because he's going to 'pull the British people together'Robin Hood wrote: ↑December 13th, 2019, 3:04 am Big win for the Conservative party.
I worked as a Presiding Officer at a busy polling station. A lot of exhasperation with politics over the Brexit fiasco in the House of Commons. A lot of people were angry, especially towards the two-faced politicians who have repeatedly attempted to thwart the will of the people.
Now there is clarity, with many of the "remainers" losing their seats, the threat of socialism removed, and Boris giving his word that Brexit will be done by 31st January, and a free trade deal with the EU concluded by the end of 2020.
Interesting times.
The next high level UK/US summit meeting will be the ultimate in bad hair days.
The 'British people' have been anything but together since the last long run of Conservative rule under Thatcher and it's not going to change under this clown.
The worrying thing is that he has such a large majority he can now actually do as he wishes...it's a frightening thought.
It seems they are going to have to go through a similar process for a while, unless the penny drops very quickly. They need to realise that the British people do not want socialism and will not tolerate it. They need to once again become the party of the working class rather than the party of coffee shop middle-class graduates in gender studies, and they need to root out the anti-semitism within the party which has become all too apparent in recent times.
People in the north and midlands who have voted Labour all of their lives voted Conservative for the very first time. When that happens it's clear that something is very wrong with the party.
I'm not a traditional Tory by any stretch, but the Conservative victory is axactly what the nation needs right now. The ridiculous Brexit related shinanigins in Parliament led by Corbyn and his Labour Party were an utter embarrassment and revealed their deep-seated disdain for the people who put them there.
As the architects of their own downfall the Labour Party got exactly what they deserve and it absolutely serves them right.
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Striker
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I agree with some of what you say and I understand that Corbyn was a completely inadequate alternative. The problem is the ridiculous system of union block votes which leans towards a left wing candidate.Robin Hood wrote: ↑December 14th, 2019, 2:39 amEvery time the Labour party move significantly to the left, they are resoundingly rejected by the British electorate. It happened in the 1980's and they were out of office for 18 years as a result. It's as if every couple of decades someone presses the self-destruct button. Only when they went in a different direction under Tony Blair did they become electable.Striker wrote: ↑December 13th, 2019, 5:41 pmOh happy day.....now we have clarity we can look forward to the next agitation, which will roll on for years. Namely the SNP pushing for Scottish independence and the beginning of the end of the Union. And years of good work in Northern Ireland being put in grave danger by upsetting the Unionists. But I'm sure Boris has a plan to deal with all of this because he's going to 'pull the British people together'Robin Hood wrote: ↑December 13th, 2019, 3:04 am Big win for the Conservative party.
I worked as a Presiding Officer at a busy polling station. A lot of exhasperation with politics over the Brexit fiasco in the House of Commons. A lot of people were angry, especially towards the two-faced politicians who have repeatedly attempted to thwart the will of the people.
Now there is clarity, with many of the "remainers" losing their seats, the threat of socialism removed, and Boris giving his word that Brexit will be done by 31st January, and a free trade deal with the EU concluded by the end of 2020.
Interesting times.
The next high level UK/US summit meeting will be the ultimate in bad hair days.
The 'British people' have been anything but together since the last long run of Conservative rule under Thatcher and it's not going to change under this clown.
The worrying thing is that he has such a large majority he can now actually do as he wishes...it's a frightening thought.
It seems they are going to have to go through a similar process for a while, unless the penny drops very quickly. They need to realise that the British people do not want socialism and will not tolerate it. They need to once again become the party of the working class rather than the party of coffee shop middle-class graduates in gender studies, and they need to root out the anti-semitism within the party which has become all too apparent in recent times.
People in the north and midlands who have voted Labour all of their lives voted Conservative for the very first time. When that happens it's clear that something is very wrong with the party.
I'm not a traditional Tory by any stretch, but the Conservative victory is axactly what the nation needs right now. The ridiculous Brexit related shinanigins in Parliament led by Corbyn and his Labour Party were an utter embarrassment and revealed their deep-seated disdain for the people who put them there.
As the architects of their own downfall the Labour Party got exactly what they deserve and it absolutely serves them right.
The clarity we now have is that we leave the EU. So great - 'the British people have spoken' and democracy wins the day. But please don't tell me you know this is a good idea because business leaders and diplomats can't agree what is best..how would anyone know...we are stepping into the unknown here.
What is clear is that there will be more troubled times ahead. The SNP and Ulster Unionists have their own mandates via the same wonderful democratic system. In what is now a divided country....separating from a troubled and divided Europe...there are troubled times ahead.
And all this presided over by a buffoon who looks more like a grotesque game show host than a PM.
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What is clear is that the British people have now voted for Brexit three times.Striker wrote: ↑December 14th, 2019, 8:52 amI agree with some of what you say and I understand that Corbyn was a completely inadequate alternative. The problem is the ridiculous system of union block votes which leans towards a left wing candidate.Robin Hood wrote: ↑December 14th, 2019, 2:39 amEvery time the Labour party move significantly to the left, they are resoundingly rejected by the British electorate. It happened in the 1980's and they were out of office for 18 years as a result. It's as if every couple of decades someone presses the self-destruct button. Only when they went in a different direction under Tony Blair did they become electable.Striker wrote: ↑December 13th, 2019, 5:41 pmOh happy day.....now we have clarity we can look forward to the next agitation, which will roll on for years. Namely the SNP pushing for Scottish independence and the beginning of the end of the Union. And years of good work in Northern Ireland being put in grave danger by upsetting the Unionists. But I'm sure Boris has a plan to deal with all of this because he's going to 'pull the British people together'Robin Hood wrote: ↑December 13th, 2019, 3:04 am Big win for the Conservative party.
I worked as a Presiding Officer at a busy polling station. A lot of exhasperation with politics over the Brexit fiasco in the House of Commons. A lot of people were angry, especially towards the two-faced politicians who have repeatedly attempted to thwart the will of the people.
Now there is clarity, with many of the "remainers" losing their seats, the threat of socialism removed, and Boris giving his word that Brexit will be done by 31st January, and a free trade deal with the EU concluded by the end of 2020.
Interesting times.
The next high level UK/US summit meeting will be the ultimate in bad hair days.
The 'British people' have been anything but together since the last long run of Conservative rule under Thatcher and it's not going to change under this clown.
The worrying thing is that he has such a large majority he can now actually do as he wishes...it's a frightening thought.
It seems they are going to have to go through a similar process for a while, unless the penny drops very quickly. They need to realise that the British people do not want socialism and will not tolerate it. They need to once again become the party of the working class rather than the party of coffee shop middle-class graduates in gender studies, and they need to root out the anti-semitism within the party which has become all too apparent in recent times.
People in the north and midlands who have voted Labour all of their lives voted Conservative for the very first time. When that happens it's clear that something is very wrong with the party.
I'm not a traditional Tory by any stretch, but the Conservative victory is axactly what the nation needs right now. The ridiculous Brexit related shinanigins in Parliament led by Corbyn and his Labour Party were an utter embarrassment and revealed their deep-seated disdain for the people who put them there.
As the architects of their own downfall the Labour Party got exactly what they deserve and it absolutely serves them right.
The clarity we now have is that we leave the EU. So great - 'the British people have spoken' and democracy wins the day. But please don't tell me you know this is a good idea because business leaders and diplomats can't agree what is best..how would anyone know...we are stepping into the unknown here.
What is clear is that there will be more troubled times ahead. The SNP and Ulster Unionists have their own mandates via the same wonderful democratic system. In what is now a divided country....separating from a troubled and divided Europe...there are troubled times ahead.
And all this presided over by a buffoon who looks more like a grotesque game show host than a PM.
The first time was the referendum in 2016, the second was the 2017 general election when around 80% of the electorate voted for party's which gave a manifesto undertaking to implement Brexit, and finally this week when the only party standing on a "stop Brexit" platform (the Liberal Democrats) picked up only 11 seats and millions of votes fewer than the others.
The issue in Scotland is fairly clear cut. It is known that the voting intentions of the people have not changed much since the 2014 referendum. There has been some change apparently, but it is quite small and in favour of staying in the Union.
The SNP have failed to get 50% or more of the electorate to vote for them this time, and even their leader acknowledges that many who voted SNP in order to represent Scottish interests in the House of Commons, would not support independence.
Personally, I don't mind if Scotland leaves the Union. Let's face it they only joined because they were bankrupt and needed an English bail-out.
I want independence for England too. What I mean by that is that the UK should, in my view, reach a new constitutional settlement and create a federal system. Only those things which need to be done on an island wide basis such as defence or environmental legislation would need to be addressed by Westminster, the rest of the island would be administered from Edinburgh, Cardiff and York.
I think the case for a united Ireland is strong, though only with the consent of the people of Northern Ireland. I believe a similar federal system on the island of Ireland would allay many fears, as would Ireland rejoining the Commonwealth.
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Striker
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Yes ....well the Brexit vote was literally just over 50% of those who voted in favour of leave. After a campaign of misinformation and plain lies by Boris. And voted for by a confused electorate who didn't understand the issues. Not that I do. Not that anyone clearly does, we have to see how it unfolds.Robin Hood wrote: ↑December 14th, 2019, 9:21 amWhat is clear is that the British people have now voted for Brexit three times.Striker wrote: ↑December 14th, 2019, 8:52 amI agree with some of what you say and I understand that Corbyn was a completely inadequate alternative. The problem is the ridiculous system of union block votes which leans towards a left wing candidate.Robin Hood wrote: ↑December 14th, 2019, 2:39 amEvery time the Labour party move significantly to the left, they are resoundingly rejected by the British electorate. It happened in the 1980's and they were out of office for 18 years as a result. It's as if every couple of decades someone presses the self-destruct button. Only when they went in a different direction under Tony Blair did they become electable.Striker wrote: ↑December 13th, 2019, 5:41 pm
Oh happy day.....now we have clarity we can look forward to the next agitation, which will roll on for years. Namely the SNP pushing for Scottish independence and the beginning of the end of the Union. And years of good work in Northern Ireland being put in grave danger by upsetting the Unionists. But I'm sure Boris has a plan to deal with all of this because he's going to 'pull the British people together'
The 'British people' have been anything but together since the last long run of Conservative rule under Thatcher and it's not going to change under this clown.
The worrying thing is that he has such a large majority he can now actually do as he wishes...it's a frightening thought.
It seems they are going to have to go through a similar process for a while, unless the penny drops very quickly. They need to realise that the British people do not want socialism and will not tolerate it. They need to once again become the party of the working class rather than the party of coffee shop middle-class graduates in gender studies, and they need to root out the anti-semitism within the party which has become all too apparent in recent times.
People in the north and midlands who have voted Labour all of their lives voted Conservative for the very first time. When that happens it's clear that something is very wrong with the party.
I'm not a traditional Tory by any stretch, but the Conservative victory is axactly what the nation needs right now. The ridiculous Brexit related shinanigins in Parliament led by Corbyn and his Labour Party were an utter embarrassment and revealed their deep-seated disdain for the people who put them there.
As the architects of their own downfall the Labour Party got exactly what they deserve and it absolutely serves them right.
The clarity we now have is that we leave the EU. So great - 'the British people have spoken' and democracy wins the day. But please don't tell me you know this is a good idea because business leaders and diplomats can't agree what is best..how would anyone know...we are stepping into the unknown here.
What is clear is that there will be more troubled times ahead. The SNP and Ulster Unionists have their own mandates via the same wonderful democratic system. In what is now a divided country....separating from a troubled and divided Europe...there are troubled times ahead.
And all this presided over by a buffoon who looks more like a grotesque game show host than a PM.
The first time was the referendum in 2016, the second was the 2017 general election when around 80% of the electorate voted for party's which gave a manifesto undertaking to implement Brexit, and finally this week when the only party standing on a "stop Brexit" platform (the Liberal Democrats) picked up only 11 seats and millions of votes fewer than the others.
The issue in Scotland is fairly clear cut. It is known that the voting intentions of the people have not changed much since the 2014 referendum. There has been some change apparently, but it is quite small and in favour of staying in the Union.
The SNP have failed to get 50% or more of the electorate to vote for them this time, and even their leader acknowledges that many who voted SNP in order to represent Scottish interests in the House of Commons, would not support independence.
Personally, I don't mind if Scotland leaves the Union. Let's face it they only joined because they were bankrupt and needed an English bail-out.
I want independence for England too. What I mean by that is that the UK should, in my view, reach a new constitutional settlement and create a federal system. Only those things which need to be done on an island wide basis such as defence or environmental legislation would need to be addressed by Westminster, the rest of the island would be administered from Edinburgh, Cardiff and York.
I think the case for a united Ireland is strong, though only with the consent of the people of Northern Ireland. I believe a similar federal system on the island of Ireland would allay many fears, as would Ireland rejoining the Commonwealth.
I stand by my opinion that this man is a complete buffoon and that there could be some huge unholy mess made of running the country in the coming years.
I'm glad to be 3000 miles away.
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The lies and misinformation during the referendum campaign were from the Remain side... a provable fact.Striker wrote: ↑December 14th, 2019, 1:24 pmYes ....well the Brexit vote was literally just over 50% of those who voted in favour of leave. After a campaign of misinformation and plain lies by Boris. And voted for by a confused electorate who didn't understand the issues. Not that I do. Not that anyone clearly does, we have to see how it unfolds.Robin Hood wrote: ↑December 14th, 2019, 9:21 amWhat is clear is that the British people have now voted for Brexit three times.Striker wrote: ↑December 14th, 2019, 8:52 amI agree with some of what you say and I understand that Corbyn was a completely inadequate alternative. The problem is the ridiculous system of union block votes which leans towards a left wing candidate.Robin Hood wrote: ↑December 14th, 2019, 2:39 am
Every time the Labour party move significantly to the left, they are resoundingly rejected by the British electorate. It happened in the 1980's and they were out of office for 18 years as a result. It's as if every couple of decades someone presses the self-destruct button. Only when they went in a different direction under Tony Blair did they become electable.
It seems they are going to have to go through a similar process for a while, unless the penny drops very quickly. They need to realise that the British people do not want socialism and will not tolerate it. They need to once again become the party of the working class rather than the party of coffee shop middle-class graduates in gender studies, and they need to root out the anti-semitism within the party which has become all too apparent in recent times.
People in the north and midlands who have voted Labour all of their lives voted Conservative for the very first time. When that happens it's clear that something is very wrong with the party.
I'm not a traditional Tory by any stretch, but the Conservative victory is axactly what the nation needs right now. The ridiculous Brexit related shinanigins in Parliament led by Corbyn and his Labour Party were an utter embarrassment and revealed their deep-seated disdain for the people who put them there.
As the architects of their own downfall the Labour Party got exactly what they deserve and it absolutely serves them right.
The clarity we now have is that we leave the EU. So great - 'the British people have spoken' and democracy wins the day. But please don't tell me you know this is a good idea because business leaders and diplomats can't agree what is best..how would anyone know...we are stepping into the unknown here.
What is clear is that there will be more troubled times ahead. The SNP and Ulster Unionists have their own mandates via the same wonderful democratic system. In what is now a divided country....separating from a troubled and divided Europe...there are troubled times ahead.
And all this presided over by a buffoon who looks more like a grotesque game show host than a PM.
The first time was the referendum in 2016, the second was the 2017 general election when around 80% of the electorate voted for party's which gave a manifesto undertaking to implement Brexit, and finally this week when the only party standing on a "stop Brexit" platform (the Liberal Democrats) picked up only 11 seats and millions of votes fewer than the others.
The issue in Scotland is fairly clear cut. It is known that the voting intentions of the people have not changed much since the 2014 referendum. There has been some change apparently, but it is quite small and in favour of staying in the Union.
The SNP have failed to get 50% or more of the electorate to vote for them this time, and even their leader acknowledges that many who voted SNP in order to represent Scottish interests in the House of Commons, would not support independence.
Personally, I don't mind if Scotland leaves the Union. Let's face it they only joined because they were bankrupt and needed an English bail-out.
I want independence for England too. What I mean by that is that the UK should, in my view, reach a new constitutional settlement and create a federal system. Only those things which need to be done on an island wide basis such as defence or environmental legislation would need to be addressed by Westminster, the rest of the island would be administered from Edinburgh, Cardiff and York.
I think the case for a united Ireland is strong, though only with the consent of the people of Northern Ireland. I believe a similar federal system on the island of Ireland would allay many fears, as would Ireland rejoining the Commonwealth.
I stand by my opinion that this man is a complete buffoon and that there could be some huge unholy mess made of running the country in the coming years.
I'm glad to be 3000 miles away.
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mahalanobis
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Re: uk elections
@Robin Hood.
We Americans have this issue where at the end of an election we hear about a bunch of people who are so upset that they claim they're going to leave and move to <fill in your favorite neighboring country>. It's just a bunch of social media outrage posters throwing a tantrum, and a few celebrities always get involved.
Do you guys have that issue too? Or are you guys more mature?
We Americans have this issue where at the end of an election we hear about a bunch of people who are so upset that they claim they're going to leave and move to <fill in your favorite neighboring country>. It's just a bunch of social media outrage posters throwing a tantrum, and a few celebrities always get involved.
Do you guys have that issue too? Or are you guys more mature?
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In the UK it’s various parts of the Union such as Scotland that make such threatsMahalanobis Distance wrote: ↑December 14th, 2019, 1:54 pm @Robin Hood.
We Americans have this issue where at the end of an election we hear about a bunch of people who are so upset that they claim they're going to leave and move to <fill in your favorite neighboring country>. It's just a bunch of social media outrage posters throwing a tantrum, and a few celebrities always get involved.
Do you guys have that issue too? Or are you guys more mature?
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Striker
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Robin Hood wrote: ↑December 14th, 2019, 1:43 pmThe lies and misinformation during the referendum campaign were from the Remain side... a provable factStriker wrote: ↑December 14th, 2019, 1:24 pmYes ....well the Brexit vote was literally just over 50% of those who voted in favour of leave. After a campaign of misinformation and plain lies by Boris. And voted for by a confused electorate who didn't understand the issues. Not that I do. Not that anyone clearly does, we have to see how it unfolds.Robin Hood wrote: ↑December 14th, 2019, 9:21 amWhat is clear is that the British people have now voted for Brexit three times.Striker wrote: ↑December 14th, 2019, 8:52 am
I agree with some of what you say and I understand that Corbyn was a completely inadequate alternative. The problem is the ridiculous system of union block votes which leans towards a left wing candidate.
The clarity we now have is that we leave the EU. So great - 'the British people have spoken' and democracy wins the day. But please don't tell me you know this is a good idea because business leaders and diplomats can't agree what is best..how would anyone know...we are stepping into the unknown here.
What is clear is that there will be more troubled times ahead. The SNP and Ulster Unionists have their own mandates via the same wonderful democratic system. In what is now a divided country....separating from a troubled and divided Europe...there are troubled times ahead.
And all this presided over by a buffoon who looks more like a grotesque game show host than a PM.
The first time was the referendum in 2016, the second was the 2017 general election when around 80% of the electorate voted for party's which gave a manifesto undertaking to implement Brexit, and finally this week when the only party standing on a "stop Brexit" platform (the Liberal Democrats) picked up only 11 seats and millions of votes fewer than the others.
The issue in Scotland is fairly clear cut. It is known that the voting intentions of the people have not changed much since the 2014 referendum. There has been some change apparently, but it is quite small and in favour of staying in the Union.
The SNP have failed to get 50% or more of the electorate to vote for them this time, and even their leader acknowledges that many who voted SNP in order to represent Scottish interests in the House of Commons, would not support independence.
Personally, I don't mind if Scotland leaves the Union. Let's face it they only joined because they were bankrupt and needed an English bail-out.
I want independence for England too. What I mean by that is that the UK should, in my view, reach a new constitutional settlement and create a federal system. Only those things which need to be done on an island wide basis such as defence or environmental legislation would need to be addressed by Westminster, the rest of the island would be administered from Edinburgh, Cardiff and York.
I think the case for a united Ireland is strong, though only with the consent of the people of Northern Ireland. I believe a similar federal system on the island of Ireland would allay many fears, as would Ireland rejoining the Commonwealth.
I stand by my opinion that this man is a complete buffoon and that there could be some huge unholy mess made of running the country in the coming years.
I'm glad to be 3000 miles away.
Provable facts....in politics? Honestly, I don't need you to explain what they are.
My opinion which isn't fact is that it's a divided unhappy nation now being led by a complete clown and a charlatan.
As I said, we just have to see how it unfolds, you clearly are optimistic and I am extremely sceptical that this is the way forward.
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Striker wrote: ↑December 14th, 2019, 2:14 pmWell here's a fact for you.Robin Hood wrote: ↑December 14th, 2019, 1:43 pmThe lies and misinformation during the referendum campaign were from the Remain side... a provable factStriker wrote: ↑December 14th, 2019, 1:24 pmYes ....well the Brexit vote was literally just over 50% of those who voted in favour of leave. After a campaign of misinformation and plain lies by Boris. And voted for by a confused electorate who didn't understand the issues. Not that I do. Not that anyone clearly does, we have to see how it unfolds.Robin Hood wrote: ↑December 14th, 2019, 9:21 am
What is clear is that the British people have now voted for Brexit three times.
The first time was the referendum in 2016, the second was the 2017 general election when around 80% of the electorate voted for party's which gave a manifesto undertaking to implement Brexit, and finally this week when the only party standing on a "stop Brexit" platform (the Liberal Democrats) picked up only 11 seats and millions of votes fewer than the others.
The issue in Scotland is fairly clear cut. It is known that the voting intentions of the people have not changed much since the 2014 referendum. There has been some change apparently, but it is quite small and in favour of staying in the Union.
The SNP have failed to get 50% or more of the electorate to vote for them this time, and even their leader acknowledges that many who voted SNP in order to represent Scottish interests in the House of Commons, would not support independence.
Personally, I don't mind if Scotland leaves the Union. Let's face it they only joined because they were bankrupt and needed an English bail-out.
I want independence for England too. What I mean by that is that the UK should, in my view, reach a new constitutional settlement and create a federal system. Only those things which need to be done on an island wide basis such as defence or environmental legislation would need to be addressed by Westminster, the rest of the island would be administered from Edinburgh, Cardiff and York.
I think the case for a united Ireland is strong, though only with the consent of the people of Northern Ireland. I believe a similar federal system on the island of Ireland would allay many fears, as would Ireland rejoining the Commonwealth.
I stand by my opinion that this man is a complete buffoon and that there could be some huge unholy mess made of running the country in the coming years.
I'm glad to be 3000 miles away.
Provable facts....in politics? Honestly, I don't need you to explain what they are.
My opinion which isn't fact is that it's a divided unhappy nation now being led by a complete clown and a charlatan.
As I said, we just have to see how it unfolds, you clearly are optimistic and I am extremely sceptical that this is the way forward.
You're 3,000 miles away in another country.
I'm here in the UK.
I would therefore suggest that there is a significant possibility that your opinion is less informed.
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Robin Hood wrote: ↑December 14th, 2019, 3:24 pmGoodness me you are well informed. Everything you tell me is fact and all I claim is that I have an opinion.Striker wrote: ↑December 14th, 2019, 2:14 pmWell here's a fact for you.Robin Hood wrote: ↑December 14th, 2019, 1:43 pmThe lies and misinformation during the referendum campaign were from the Remain side... a provable factStriker wrote: ↑December 14th, 2019, 1:24 pm
Yes ....well the Brexit vote was literally just over 50% of those who voted in favour of leave. After a campaign of misinformation and plain lies by Boris. And voted for by a confused electorate who didn't understand the issues. Not that I do. Not that anyone clearly does, we have to see how it unfolds.
I stand by my opinion that this man is a complete buffoon and that there could be some huge unholy mess made of running the country in the coming years.
I'm glad to be 3000 miles away.
Provable facts....in politics? Honestly, I don't need you to explain what they are.
My opinion which isn't fact is that it's a divided unhappy nation now being led by a complete clown and a charlatan.
As I said, we just have to see how it unfolds, you clearly are optimistic and I am extremely sceptical that this is the way forward.
You're 3,000 miles away in another country.
I'm here in the UK.
I would therefore suggest that there is a significant possibility that your opinion is less informed.
My sister is a Government lawyer working on Brexit currently. She knows MP's personally.
There's stuff I could say but I won't. It's only heresay anyway and I claim no special knowledge. I could be wrong about some of the things I said but only time will tell.
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If what you say is true, then your sister is clearly unprofessional, quilty of a serious breach of confidence, and ought to be fired with immediate effect.
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Remainer?Striker wrote: ↑December 13th, 2019, 5:41 pmOh happy day.....now we have clarity we can look forward to the next agitation, which will roll on for years. Namely the SNP pushing for Scottish independence and the beginning of the end of the Union. And years of good work in Northern Ireland being put in grave danger by upsetting the Unionists. But I'm sure Boris has a plan to deal with all of this because he's going to 'pull the British people together'Robin Hood wrote: ↑December 13th, 2019, 3:04 am Big win for the Conservative party.
I worked as a Presiding Officer at a busy polling station. A lot of exhasperation with politics over the Brexit fiasco in the House of Commons. A lot of people were angry, especially towards the two-faced politicians who have repeatedly attempted to thwart the will of the people.
Now there is clarity, with many of the "remainers" losing their seats, the threat of socialism removed, and Boris giving his word that Brexit will be done by 31st January, and a free trade deal with the EU concluded by the end of 2020.
Interesting times.
The next high level UK/US summit meeting will be the ultimate in bad hair days.
The 'British people' have been anything but together since the last long run of Conservative rule under Thatcher and it's not going to change under this clown.
The worrying thing is that he has such a large majority he can now actually do as he wishes...it's a frightening thought.
