Families can now document same-sex relationships on FamilySearch

[RocknRoll]

Oh no! More for the anti-LGBT crowd to fret about!
https://www.ksl.com/article/46688581/fa ... milysearch

“FamilySearch, one of the most comprehensive collections of genealogical data, now “provides the ability” for families to document same-sex family relationships, according to a Tuesday news release from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.”

How many posts until someone laments about how The Church is “in apostasy” or “the end is near!”.
Let us see…

[gradles21]

This seems totally unnecessary, I don't think there is very many sodomites concerned about doing temple work for their great grandma

[LDS Watchman]

This seems totally unnecessary, I don't think there is very many sodomites concerned about doing temple work for their great grandma

Maybe down the road a child raised by two sodomite dad's might want to be sealed to both of them.

In the meantime I guess enough members want to include their sodomite family member's partner and their children as part of their family tree.

How can anyone not see that the Church is sick from head to foot, with no soundness left in it?

I guess the scriptures are true that Israel is asleep and blind in the last days.

[drtanner]

This seems totally unnecessary, I don't think there is very many sodomites concerned about doing temple work for their great grandma

Maybe down the road a child raised by two sodomite dad's might want to be sealed to both of them.

In the meantime I guess enough members want to include their sodomite family member's partner and their children as part of their family tree.

How can anyone not see that the Church is sick from head to foot, with no soundness left in it?

I guess the scriptures are true that Israel is asleep and blind in the last days.

And how would you document a child raised by two same sex parents on a family tree? Is erasing history even though we don’t agree with it the right approach? Think before you think.

[skylight]

Since people can't be saved IN their sins, documenting a family relationship imbedded in sin seems to be a contraindication to being sealed.

Who would want to be sealed IN their sins? (Family search is after all the church data base to where names are procured to do sealings)

Seems to remind me of the tree of life being barred from entry since Adam and Eve partook of the tree, so they wouldn't be preserved forever IN their sins.

[Lizzy60]

The news article says that Family Search is the final major genealogy site to document homosexual marriages. Therefore, it seems there are numerous other sites that homosexuals and their families have been using for this documentation. Since the LDS site is used to facilitate temple ordinances, and a homosexual marriage cannot be sealed, nor have children sealed to them, it would have been a noble thing to hold the line by not adding sodomite marriages to the database. They just needed to do what ever had been done in the recent past. The only real benefit is that we are now more like Babylon, and the Gay Agenda in the Church is celebrating a victory.

[drtanner]

The news article says that Family Search is the final major genealogy site to document homosexual marriages. Therefore, it seems there are numerous other sites that homosexuals and their families have been using for this documentation. Since the LDS site is used to facilitate temple ordinances, and a homosexual marriage cannot be sealed, nor have children sealed to them, it would have been a noble thing to hold the line by not adding sodomite marriages to the database. They just needed to do what ever had been done in the recent past. The only real benefit is that we are now more like Babylon, and the Gay Agenda in the Church is celebrating a victory.

Or actually trust in what the church’s statement is instead of putting words in their mouth and spreading a false narrative

“FamilySearch seeks to digitally preserve and provide access to genealogical and historical records, and this is part of its efforts to accurately document the human family. The church solemnizes or seals marriages only between people of the opposite sex,”

The church will never perform same sex marriages. How many times are we going to go down this road?

[gkearney]

Family Search records children born out of wedlock, always has as far as I am aware. So what't the difference with recording other types of unions? It not as if those people are somehow magically going to not exists if you don't take note of them.

[mahalanobis]

Family Search records children born out of wedlock, always has as far as I am aware. So what't the difference with recording other types of unions? It not as if those people are somehow magically going to not exists if you don't take note of them.

Nobody is claiming that "those people [will] magically not exist" if we don't document it.

But yes, I agree with your higher-level point about documentation.

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If the church never caves into allowing same-sex sealings, then this is no big deal. Just documentation, like you suggest.

However, if the church eventually caves, this will amount to another step in the gradual gaslighting. (I'm not claiming the church will cave, just pointing this out).

For this reason, the interpretation of these events depends on what one thinks the end trajectory of the church will be.

[RocknRoll]

How many posts until someone laments about how The Church is “in apostasy” or “the end is near!”.
Let us see…

Exactly two.

[h_p]

Our church used to define marriage as between a man and woman. Since we've apparently spent a goodly sum of our tithing money on this effort, does this mean we're now officially conceding to the Babylon definition of marriage?

[drtanner]

Our church used to define marriage as between a man and woman. Since we've apparently spent a goodly sum of our tithing money on this effort, does this mean we're now officially conceding to the Babylon definition of marriage?

Nope:

1. Why is FamilySearch doing this?

The FamilySearch Family Tree is designed to encourage genealogical accuracy based on original source records. The Family Tree provides the ability for users to document all family relationships, including same-sex marriages and same-sex adoptions.

2. Is this a change in Church doctrine?

No. FamilySearch seeks to digitally preserve and provide access to genealogical and historical records, and this is part of its efforts to accurately document the human family. The Church solemnizes or seals marriages only between people of the opposite sex.

3. Can same-sex couples be sealed to each other?

No. Consistent with the Church’s doctrine, same-sex couples are not sealed to each other, even if they have been legally married. A deceased individual who has lived in a same-sex couple relationship or who has been a party to a same-sex marriage may receive all other available religious rites in a temple for which he or she is eligible.

4. Can children of same-sex couples be sealed to them?

No. In accordance with Church doctrine, children are not sealed to same-sex couples, even if the couples have been legally married.

5. Is FamilySearch the first genealogy site to allow the recording of same-sex relationships?

No. FamilySearch is not the first genealogy site to allow for recording same-sex relationships.

6. What changes will I see in Family Tree?

When adding a spouse or parent, the user can now add a spouse or parent of the same sex.

7. What was required to add the functionality?

Several systems that surround Family Tree, such as tree and record searching, had to be significantly redesigned to allow for the documentation of same-sex relationships before Family Tree was able to release this functionality.

8. Does it work in the Family Tree mobile app?

Yes. It will work on the mobile app once the user installs the necessary update(s).

9. Can I submit memories (photos, stories, documents) whose subject matter relates to same-sex relationships?

[h_p]

Nope:

1. Why is FamilySearch doing this?

The FamilySearch Family Tree is designed to encourage genealogical accuracy based on original source records. The Family Tree provides the ability for users to document all family relationships, including same-sex marriages and same-sex adoptions.

So we are recognizing two men living together as a family. How do you get "nope" from that?

[PressingForward]

The LDS church made this change a while back. That is why I refuse to use it. I am done with family search.
Besides, it’s all messed up now. Our family worked hard to insure accuracy. It seemed the last few years I would log on and see someone made changes that were wrong, and I would send emails and ask these people to stop.
Same person baptized 8 times, people suddenly married to their great grandparent. It’s been corrupted and is now corrupt.

[drtanner]

Nope:

1. Why is FamilySearch doing this?

The FamilySearch Family Tree is designed to encourage genealogical accuracy based on original source records. The Family Tree provides the ability for users to document all family relationships, including same-sex marriages and same-sex adoptions.

So we are recognizing two men living together as a family. How do you get "nope" from that?

Because your questions was about marriage. No this does not mean the church recognizes same sex marriage as doctrinal.

[h_p]

Because your questions was about marriage. No this does not mean the church recognizes same sex marriage as doctrinal.

I'm not talking about doctrinal. I'm talking about recognizing it as "marriage" and "family," which is exactly what the church is doing.

For the record, I still don't consider two men living together as married, or a family, regardless of what the rest of the world thinks, including our political or religious leaders.

[drtanner]

Because your questions was about marriage. No this does not mean the church recognizes same sex marriage as doctrinal.

I'm not talking about doctrinal. I'm talking about recognizing it as "marriage" and "family," which is exactly what the church is doing.

For the record, I still don't consider two men living together as married, or a family, regardless of what the rest of the world thinks, including our political or religious leaders.

I agree with you I think the fundamental crux of the marriage issue is in defining marriage. I also don't believe it is possible to be married as a gay person because that is not what marriage is. I just don't see what the church is doing here as accepting same sex marriage rather acknowledging the dynamics of a relationship.

[h_p]

I just don't see what the church is doing here as accepting same sex marriage rather acknowledging the dynamics of a relationship.

By modifying our own family history tools to record it as a marriage, we're by definition recognizing it as a legitimate form of marriage and family. There's no way we as a church can argue anymore that gay "marriage" is not marriage. The only logical position we can hold now is that God only accepts some forms of marriage.

[drtanner]

I just don't see what the church is doing here as accepting same sex marriage rather acknowledging the dynamics of a relationship.

By modifying our own family history tools to record it as a marriage, we're by definition recognizing it as a legitimate form of marriage and family. There's no way we as a church can argue anymore that gay "marriage" is not marriage. The only logical position we can hold now is that God only accepts some forms of marriage.

Well one thing is for sure, we're going to find out.

[gradles21]

My question is what will family search look like when the church decides to legitimize all the sologymists? Do you think they will just create a duplicate of her genealogy record so she can be her own spouse in the family tree or do you think they will just create a genealogy record of one of her cats and assign the cat as her spouse? No offense to cats

[LDS Watchman]

This seems totally unnecessary, I don't think there is very many sodomites concerned about doing temple work for their great grandma

Maybe down the road a child raised by two sodomite dad's might want to be sealed to both of them.

In the meantime I guess enough members want to include their sodomite family member's partner and their children as part of their family tree.

How can anyone not see that the Church is sick from head to foot, with no soundness left in it?

I guess the scriptures are true that Israel is asleep and blind in the last days.

And how would you document a child raised by two same sex parents on a family tree? Is erasing history even though we don’t agree with it the right approach? Think before you think.

Well one option would be to attach the children to their biological parents only.

For example if a set of parents get divorced and the ex husband "marries" a man, you just never include the other man as a parent and vice versa if the ex wife runs off with a woman.

If the ex husband or ex wife was merely living in sin with another member of the opposite sex, they wouldn't be included in the family tree either. It's the same thing.

When this is not possible, say in the case of a same-sex couple adopting and the biological parents are not known, then you could possibly create two sets of trees. One for each "parent" and leave the same sex partner out of the picture in both trees.

Or better yet in the case of adoption, you could put the kids down as orphans since the two "parents" really aren't parents anyway.

Anything to avoid acknowledging the sinful and decrepit union of two same sex persons as a legitimate marriage.

[Elguapo4538]

How many posts until someone laments about how The Church is “in apostasy” or “the end is near!”.
Let us see…

Exactly two.

One too many...

[Elva1045]

Most of the world acknowledges same-sex marriage as being valid. In fact, many countries have legalized it, including the United States.

However, the act of documenting same-sex marriages does not change God's law and never will.

If you doubt this, take it to Heavenly Father in prayer. He will provide the answer you diligently seek. He can give you peace over this, so you can then put your efforts into building up the Kingdom of God.

I think there are many here, who do not understand the extreme importance of gathering the genealogies of every person, who has ever lived, regardless of their sins.

Please let us remember that it is not our responsibility to judge and condemn anyone. That right is reserved for Jesus Christ only.

Our job is to record every person who ever lived, their children, partners, and spouses. So, why the quickness to murmur?

Have ye forgotten that the only valid marriage is a temple sealing, ratified by the Holy Spirit of Promise?

None of the civil unions are actually valid beyond the veil. Don't they say, Til death do you part" when they pronounce the marriage? Yes, they do.

Errors happen all the time by imperfect people. That is a true fact. However, let me assure you that on the other side of the veil, the mistakes are being corrected. Sooner or later, every mistake that has ever been made, with regards to family history, will be rectified.

Just because mistakes happen, it doesn't mean we should give up. The work must go on!

Satan's intent is to try and destroy God's Kingdom. He will not stop trying to rile people up. We can refuse to listen to him.

Elva1045

[mes5464]

Same sex couples can't have children! Only a heterosexual couple can conceive a child. That man and woman are the parents, not the same sex couple.

[Sunain]

I stopped using FamilySearch awhile back. Between this sodomite infestation and the refusal to allow moderation on family and person linking, the site has become unusable. I will continue to do my genealogical research offline. I also can't agree to their licensing terms. You shouldn't have to deal with this kind of nonsense to do temple work!

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