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BruceRGilbert wrote: ↑December 22nd, 2019, 1:54 am

righteousrepublic wrote: ↑December 22nd, 2019, 1:10 am Matthias wrote: ↑
Sun Dec 22, 2019 12:13 am
Since you brought up the parable of the wheat and the tares, let's talk about it, since it appears that you don't understand it.

I didn't get passed the first sentence because

. . . offense was taken. I don't think it was intended. There is merit in what Matthias has pointed out and, certainly, I would apologize to you for that, but it was needful to bring out some truths not generally understood by many. I learned something, for which I am grateful.

righteousrepublic wrote: ↑December 22nd, 2019, 1:10 am

Matthias wrote: ↑December 21st, 2019, 11:13 pmSince you brought up the parable of the wheat and the tares, let's talk about it, since it appears that you don't understand it.

I didn't get passed the first sentence because of your arrogance, judging attitude and pride in yourself. Do you really expect me to take insults and give you credibility? Sorry, that's not how it works. If you decide to settle down and fly right, then we can talk.

Matt 13:38
The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one.

So don't tell me I don't understand it.

Connie561 wrote: ↑December 22nd, 2019, 5:22 am

righteousrepublic wrote: ↑December 22nd, 2019, 1:10 am

Matthias wrote: ↑December 21st, 2019, 11:13 pmSince you brought up the parable of the wheat and the tares, let's talk about it, since it appears that you don't understand it.

I didn't get passed the first sentence because of your arrogance, judging attitude and pride in yourself. Do you really expect me to take insults and give you credibility? Sorry, that's not how it works. If you decide to settle down and fly right, then we can talk.

Matt 13:38
The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one.

So don't tell me I don't understand it.

You are handling it right. You know they can't have the spirit with them when they insult you with saying it appears you don't understand it. It is best to stop reading that nonsense. I have yet to read something of worth from any of the posters who post like that.

drtanner wrote: ↑December 22nd, 2019, 7:45 am To circle back, There is a much easier way to all of this, aka getting your own witness that President Nelson is a prophet.

I’m have done that am at peace with the answer even in spite of all the criticism and news out there. (Which won’t stop but only increase) Peace is one of the feelings that can not be duplicated by the adversary.

I don’t get a sense of peace from the others posting here who are antagonists of President Nelson, in fact just the opposite. That is another witness in and of itself.

You have people on this forum all claiming the Holy Ghost communicated to them that the church is corrupt, that x,y,or,z is a prophet, that polygamy never happened, that a David Is x,y,or z and many other claims. Well someone is wrong, someone is either lying or does not understand the Holy Ghost. Hint When you receive a witness it does not come with feelings of anger, resentment, or malice. It is a peace that passeth understanding and from my experience requires action, sincerity, and real intent to receive.

John Tavner wrote: ↑December 22nd, 2019, 8:19 am

drtanner wrote: ↑December 22nd, 2019, 7:45 am To circle back, There is a much easier way to all of this, aka getting your own witness that President Nelson is a prophet.

I’m have done that am at peace with the answer even in spite of all the criticism and news out there. (Which won’t stop but only increase) Peace is one of the feelings that can not be duplicated by the adversary.

I don’t get a sense of peace from the others posting here who are antagonists of President Nelson, in fact just the opposite. That is another witness in and of itself.

You have people on this forum all claiming the Holy Ghost communicated to them that the church is corrupt, that x,y,or,z is a prophet, that polygamy never happened, that a David Is x,y,or z and many other claims. Well someone is wrong, someone is either lying or does not understand the Holy Ghost. Hint When you receive a witness it does not come with feelings of anger, resentment, or malice. It is a peace that passeth understanding and from my experience requires action, sincerity, and real intent to receive.

Perhaps the frustration comes with others not listening - wrong to be sure-, but it doesn't mean their witness was incorrect. Just because someone evinces a feeling of anger or frustration - and I bet you have done it yourself- does not mean their witness was wrong. Satan likes to work against us at all moments. For instance I received a witness about Pres. Nelson - the same as yours, but different as well. The difference came in how I asked the question. Questions mean a lot, they also can effect answers from God. If you can't see that there is corruption in the church, that is on you. Sure, you can cast stones and say "I'm filled with the devil" i.e. lying or "don't understand the SPirit" A thing people seem to forget is that the "feelings" are merely a representation of the Spirit - the Spirit is to come WITH POWER. It is faulty logic to think that one can receive a true witness of something and then NOT feel anger or resentment. Why? Because Satan works in your hearts and minds and tries to cause people to feel those bad things - even if a witness is true. I can feel an immense amount of peace about something and then logic starts to take over a day later and I get angry because I feel like I was betrayed. The problem in this scenario is me - if I have that view it is because I'm not going back to God and letting HIm work in my life, I'm make ME more important than God and what was revealed.

One of hte biggest struggles in the church is a mass misunderstanding of Galatians. We no longer read the books as letters - as they were intended- but as separate chapters which can hide meaning and context. So I can communicate that I have received a witness that there is corruption - which I have and I am-, but I prefer to witness more on Christ. He is the way, the truth, and the life. I'm sure people said the same thing about Jesus when He called people hypocrites or "vipers." They would say something like "well I don't get a sense of peace from that." You shouldn't be looking for a "sense of peace" but rather looking to "be in a state of peace." I can tell you that I believe whole-heartedly Joseph didn't practice polygamy - because the Spirit witnessed with POWER to me that He didn't. That being said, I always try to maintain the attitude of a little child and am willing to be corrected. After I've learned many of these things I've drawn closer to the Lord. My state of being is more at peace, I feel greater love toward teh Lord. I mean literally sometiems my prayers are Just"thankyou Lord, You are awesome." I am that grateful for His grace and mercy. He is my God. I'm constantly looking for what other "gods" are before Him. When I find it out, God usually tests me. He wants me to choose Him, or tradition and culture. Usually I choose HIm. If I fail once or twice, I think God for HIs forgiveness and am grateful for His mercy and thank HIm for changing me, because the moment I receive forgiveness from HIm, I am not hte same person I was who made the mistake. My past is gone, I am a new person in HIm. Immediately.

So I would be careful who you cast stones at. Years ago, I cast lots of stones and man I was having great spiritual experiences (same as now, but different). I believed exactly as you did. Made many of the same arguments. Defended voraciously the church, but with mostly kindness. I hinted others were tares and we were the wheat. Then the Lord showed me something and opened my eyes. It was something I couldn't unsee. I had put religion before God. I didn't know Christ. As I've sought HIm, I've come to know Him more and realize how merciful He really is. I've also found htat most of us do not know HIm. There are many who proclaim love that do not know HIm. There are many that proclaim works that do not Know HIm. Most people beleive what they are told to believe and do not seek Him themselves. They do not search the scriptures. THey do not spend time in the secret place speaking wiht Him. Prayers are rote, scripture reading is rote - it is to teach rather than to learn who God is, if they do read. I say this as someone who did all this. Now I realize the Lord works in His own timing. Things that I though false 5 years ago, I believe whole-heartedly today. Things I believe true, I realize are false today. What I want is for people to come unto Christ. THat is my desire. They can only do that by learning from God Himself. The Gospels teach it, Paul says Christ entered the Holy of Holies for Us, to show Us that now we could, by taking upon oujrself His name enter the HOly of HOlies and speak to God Himself. We no longer needed someone to be our intermediary, because Christ the Great High Priest is that intermediary. Yes, there are a apostles, prophets, and teachers etc... but they are to teach faith, of how one can come to Christ themselves, to believe so they can know the Father which is to obtain eternal life. We are teh temple if we but see it and accep the fact taht when we receive the Gift of the HOly Ghost, we are made holy or made "saints." Ones who are sanctified i.e Holy. Do we believe it? Do we know God enough to beleive it? If we don't then these are those in the last days to whom the Lord says "Ye never knew me" "Depart ye workers of iniquity" and they proclaim but we cast out devils in thy name, we did many might works! Why? They never knew God. They preached and taught a God that is only accessible by works and not a God that is received by believe and grace. By Belief we are justified. Again, Works come because we are made righteous - they are the "fruits" of righteousness, but not righteousness themselves. Only Christ makes us Righteous. Amen.

drtanner wrote: ↑December 22nd, 2019, 8:26 am

John Tavner wrote: ↑December 22nd, 2019, 8:19 am

drtanner wrote: ↑December 22nd, 2019, 7:45 am To circle back, There is a much easier way to all of this, aka getting your own witness that President Nelson is a prophet.

I’m have done that am at peace with the answer even in spite of all the criticism and news out there. (Which won’t stop but only increase) Peace is one of the feelings that can not be duplicated by the adversary.

I don’t get a sense of peace from the others posting here who are antagonists of President Nelson, in fact just the opposite. That is another witness in and of itself.

You have people on this forum all claiming the Holy Ghost communicated to them that the church is corrupt, that x,y,or,z is a prophet, that polygamy never happened, that a David Is x,y,or z and many other claims. Well someone is wrong, someone is either lying or does not understand the Holy Ghost. Hint When you receive a witness it does not come with feelings of anger, resentment, or malice. It is a peace that passeth understanding and from my experience requires action, sincerity, and real intent to receive.

Perhaps the frustration comes with others not listening - wrong to be sure-, but it doesn't mean their witness was incorrect. Just because someone evinces a feeling of anger or frustration - and I bet you have done it yourself- does not mean their witness was wrong. Satan likes to work against us at all moments. For instance I received a witness about Pres. Nelson - the same as yours, but different as well. The difference came in how I asked the question. Questions mean a lot, they also can effect answers from God. If you can't see that there is corruption in the church, that is on you. Sure, you can cast stones and say "I'm filled with the devil" i.e. lying or "don't understand the SPirit" A thing people seem to forget is that the "feelings" are merely a representation of the Spirit - the Spirit is to come WITH POWER. It is faulty logic to think that one can receive a true witness of something and then NOT feel anger or resentment. Why? Because Satan works in your hearts and minds and tries to cause people to feel those bad things - even if a witness is true. I can feel an immense amount of peace about something and then logic starts to take over a day later and I get angry because I feel like I was betrayed. The problem in this scenario is me - if I have that view it is because I'm not going back to God and letting HIm work in my life, I'm make ME more important than God and what was revealed.

One of hte biggest struggles in the church is a mass misunderstanding of Galatians. We no longer read the books as letters - as they were intended- but as separate chapters which can hide meaning and context. So I can communicate that I have received a witness that there is corruption - which I have and I am-, but I prefer to witness more on Christ. He is the way, the truth, and the life. I'm sure people said the same thing about Jesus when He called people hypocrites or "vipers." They would say something like "well I don't get a sense of peace from that." You shouldn't be looking for a "sense of peace" but rather looking to "be in a state of peace." I can tell you that I believe whole-heartedly Joseph didn't practice polygamy - because the Spirit witnessed with POWER to me that He didn't. That being said, I always try to maintain the attitude of a little child and am willing to be corrected. After I've learned many of these things I've drawn closer to the Lord. My state of being is more at peace, I feel greater love toward teh Lord. I mean literally sometiems my prayers are Just"thankyou Lord, You are awesome." I am that grateful for His grace and mercy. He is my God. I'm constantly looking for what other "gods" are before Him. When I find it out, God usually tests me. He wants me to choose Him, or tradition and culture. Usually I choose HIm. If I fail once or twice, I think God for HIs forgiveness and am grateful for His mercy and thank HIm for changing me, because the moment I receive forgiveness from HIm, I am not hte same person I was who made the mistake. My past is gone, I am a new person in HIm. Immediately.

So I would be careful who you cast stones at. Years ago, I cast lots of stones and man I was having great spiritual experiences (same as now, but different). I believed exactly as you did. Made many of the same arguments. Defended voraciously the church, but with mostly kindness. I hinted others were tares and we were the wheat. Then the Lord showed me something and opened my eyes. It was something I couldn't unsee. I had put religion before God. I didn't know Christ. As I've sought HIm, I've come to know Him more and realize how merciful He really is. I've also found htat most of us do not know HIm. There are many who proclaim love that do not know HIm. There are many that proclaim works that do not Know HIm. Most people beleive what they are told to believe and do not seek Him themselves. They do not search the scriptures. THey do not spend time in the secret place speaking wiht Him. Prayers are rote, scripture reading is rote - it is to teach rather than to learn who God is, if they do read. I say this as someone who did all this. Now I realize the Lord works in His own timing. Things that I though false 5 years ago, I believe whole-heartedly today. Things I believe true, I realize are false today. What I want is for people to come unto Christ. THat is my desire. They can only do that by learning from God Himself. The Gospels teach it, Paul says Christ entered the Holy of Holies for Us, to show Us that now we could, by taking upon oujrself His name enter the HOly of HOlies and speak to God Himself. We no longer needed someone to be our intermediary, because Christ the Great High Priest is that intermediary. Yes, there are a apostles, prophets, and teachers etc... but they are to teach faith, of how one can come to Christ themselves, to believe so they can know the Father which is to obtain eternal life. We are teh temple if we but see it and accep the fact taht when we receive the Gift of the HOly Ghost, we are made holy or made "saints." Ones who are sanctified i.e Holy. Do we believe it? Do we know God enough to beleive it? If we don't then these are those in the last days to whom the Lord says "Ye never knew me" "Depart ye workers of iniquity" and they proclaim but we cast out devils in thy name, we did many might works! Why? They never knew God. They preached and taught a God that is only accessible by works and not a God that is received by believe and grace. By Belief we are justified. Again, Works come because we are made righteous - they are the "fruits" of righteousness, but not righteousness themselves. Only Christ makes us Righteous. Amen.

We agree on Christ.

As far as president Nelson as a prophet If you feel like you have a witness you can’t deny, I’m not trying to take away from that, that witness is yours to do what you will with it.

What I will say is those posting that say they have had a witness but spend there time bashing on the church really have not had a witness. That is not how the Lord spends his time.

John Tavner wrote: ↑December 22nd, 2019, 9:56 amjust like I think those that are spending more time defending the church rather than preaching coming to Christ are wrong.

Regardless, what I'm sure we can agree on is 1) Christ (like before) and 2) that those who set out to stir up contention are not inspired of God, but by Satan in that action - whatever their previous witness may be, whether from God or another source.

righteousrepublic wrote: ↑December 22nd, 2019, 1:10 am

Matthias wrote: ↑December 21st, 2019, 11:13 pmSince you brought up the parable of the wheat and the tares, let's talk about it, since it appears that you don't understand it.

I didn't get passed the first sentence because of your arrogance, judging attitude and pride in yourself. Do you really expect me to take insults and give you credibility? Sorry, that's not how it works. If you decide to settle down and fly right, then we can talk.

Matt 13:38
The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one.

So don't tell me I don't understand it.

drtanner wrote: ↑December 22nd, 2019, 10:54 am Defending Christ’s church and who he has called to lead is preaching- come unto Christ.

No where else will you find his authorized ordinances but in his church, keys of which are held by those he has called. Most Everything else in opposition to this is an attempt to discredit the opportunity for the qualifications for the power of Godliness to be manifest, the other half of those qualifications must come from individual hearts.

righteousrepublic wrote: ↑December 22nd, 2019, 1:10 am

Matthias wrote: ↑December 21st, 2019, 11:13 pmSince you brought up the parable of the wheat and the tares, let's talk about it, since it appears that you don't understand it.

I didn't get passed the first sentence because of your arrogance, judging attitude and pride in yourself. Do you really expect me to take insults and give you credibility? Sorry, that's not how it works. If you decide to settle down and fly right, then we can talk.

Matt 13:38
The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one.

So don't tell me I don't understand it.

drtanner wrote: ↑December 22nd, 2019, 7:45 am To circle back, There is a much easier way to all of this, aka getting your own witness that President Nelson is a prophet.

I’m have done that am at peace with the answer even in spite of all the criticism and news out there. (Which won’t stop but only increase) Peace is one of the feelings that can not be duplicated by the adversary.

I don’t get a sense of peace from the others posting here who are antagonists of President Nelson, in fact just the opposite. That is another witness in and of itself.

You have people on this forum all claiming the Holy Ghost communicated to them that the church is corrupt, that x,y,or,z is a prophet, that polygamy never happened, that a last days servant Is x,y,or z and many other claims. Well someone is wrong, someone is either lying or does not understand the Holy Ghost. Hint When you receive a witness it does not come with feelings of anger, resentment, or malice. It is a peace that passeth understanding and from my experience requires action, sincerity, and real intent to receive.

nightlight wrote: ↑December 22nd, 2019, 10:58 am

righteousrepublic wrote: ↑December 22nd, 2019, 1:10 am

Matthias wrote: ↑December 21st, 2019, 11:13 pmSince you brought up the parable of the wheat and the tares, let's talk about it, since it appears that you don't understand it.

I didn't get passed the first sentence because of your arrogance, judging attitude and pride in yourself. Do you really expect me to take insults and give you credibility? Sorry, that's not how it works. If you decide to settle down and fly right, then we can talk.

Matt 13:38
The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one.

So don't tell me I don't understand it.

Lol give me a break....your own posts condemn you.

Someone telling that they think you dont understand something IS NOT AN INSULT BUT TO YOUR PRIDE.

If this is the case....please apologize right now to Alaris... and everyone else who you claim don't understand the scriptures.

You are weaking all your positions with this display of pride. I suffer from pride when I'm told I don't understand things too...you're not alone. Let's grow together,brother.

drtanner wrote: ↑December 22nd, 2019, 8:26 am
...those posting that say they have had a witness but spend there time bashing on the church really have not had a witness. That is not how the Lord spends his time.

Matthias wrote: ↑December 22nd, 2019, 11:56 am

drtanner wrote: ↑December 22nd, 2019, 8:26 am
...those posting that say they have had a witness but spend there time bashing on the church really have not had a witness. That is not how the Lord spends his time.

During his mortal ministry, the Lord spent a great deal of time telling the people about the false teachings and practices taught by the leaders of the day and warning them to steer clear. He didn't pull any punches when it came to exposing the hypocrisy of the leaders.

John the Baptist did the same, as did Christ's apostles, and the prophets in the scriptures like Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Hosea, Malachi, Lehi, etc.

drtanner wrote: ↑December 22nd, 2019, 12:44 pm

Matthias wrote: ↑December 22nd, 2019, 11:56 am

drtanner wrote: ↑December 22nd, 2019, 8:26 am
...those posting that say they have had a witness but spend there time bashing on the church really have not had a witness. That is not how the Lord spends his time.

During his mortal ministry, the Lord spent a great deal of time telling the people about the false teachings and practices taught by the leaders of the day and warning them to steer clear. He didn't pull any punches when it came to exposing the hypocrisy of the leaders.

John the Baptist did the same, as did Christ's apostles, and the prophets in the scriptures like Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Hosea, Malachi, Lehi, etc.

They didn’t spend there time bashing on themselves. They knew who called them and why they were called. The key is the witness.

They did however receive a lot of criticism from others. There is no difference here.

Matthias wrote: ↑December 22nd, 2019, 1:08 pm

drtanner wrote: ↑December 22nd, 2019, 12:44 pm

Matthias wrote: ↑December 22nd, 2019, 11:56 am

drtanner wrote: ↑December 22nd, 2019, 8:26 am
...those posting that say they have had a witness but spend there time bashing on the church really have not had a witness. That is not how the Lord spends his time.

During his mortal ministry, the Lord spent a great deal of time telling the people about the false teachings and practices taught by the leaders of the day and warning them to steer clear. He didn't pull any punches when it came to exposing the hypocrisy of the leaders.

John the Baptist did the same, as did Christ's apostles, and the prophets in the scriptures like Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Hosea, Malachi, Lehi, etc.

They didn’t spend there time bashing on themselves. They knew who called them and why they were called. The key is the witness.

They did however receive a lot of criticism from others. There is no difference here.

You're argument doesn't make any sense.

If the leaders and the people are in apostasy, there's nothing wrong with pointing out their hypocrisy and the lack of prophetic fruits from those who are called to be our prophets.

There really is no comparison between the brethren today and the prophets and apostles in the scriptures.

There is however a pretty darn good comparison between the brethren today and the legitimate spiritual leaders of the Jews in Christ's day or the leaders of the people in the days of Isaiah, Ezekiel, Jeremiah, Malachi, Hosea, Lehi, etc.

You're acting a lot like Laman and Lemuel, who refused to believe that the Jews were wicked and therefore thought Lehi, Nephi, and the others were crazy or apostate or whatever.

drtanner wrote: ↑December 22nd, 2019, 2:36 pm

Matthias wrote: ↑December 22nd, 2019, 1:08 pm

drtanner wrote: ↑December 22nd, 2019, 12:44 pm

Matthias wrote: ↑December 22nd, 2019, 11:56 am

During his mortal ministry, the Lord spent a great deal of time telling the people about the false teachings and practices taught by the leaders of the day and warning them to steer clear. He didn't pull any punches when it came to exposing the hypocrisy of the leaders.

John the Baptist did the same, as did Christ's apostles, and the prophets in the scriptures like Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Hosea, Malachi, Lehi, etc.

They didn’t spend there time bashing on themselves. They knew who called them and why they were called. The key is the witness.

They did however receive a lot of criticism from others. There is no difference here.

You're argument doesn't make any sense.

If the leaders and the people are in apostasy, there's nothing wrong with pointing out their hypocrisy and the lack of prophetic fruits from those who are called to be our prophets.

There really is no comparison between the brethren today and the prophets and apostles in the scriptures.

There is however a pretty darn good comparison between the brethren today and the legitimate spiritual leaders of the Jews in Christ's day or the leaders of the people in the days of Isaiah, Ezekiel, Jeremiah, Malachi, Hosea, Lehi, etc.

You're acting a lot like Laman and Lemuel, who refused to believe that the Jews were wicked and therefore thought Lehi, Nephi, and the others were crazy or apostate or whatever.

No, you don’t Seem understand the fact that I already have an answer I can’t / won’t deny. If you claimed you had an answer I would respect that and leave you to do as much good as possible with that answer.

drtanner wrote: ↑December 22nd, 2019, 9:26 pm Elder Maxwell:

Some insist upon studying the Church only through the eyes of its defectors--like interviewing Judas to understand Jesus. Defectors always tell us more about themselves than about that from which they have departed.

Church Members will live in this wheat-and-tares situation until the Millennium. Some real tares even masquerade as wheat, including a few eager individuals who lecture the rest of us about the Church doctrines in which they no longer believe. They criticize the use of Church resources to which they no longer contribute. They condescendingly seek to counsel the Brethren whom they no longer sustain. Confrontive, except of themselves of course, they leave the Church, but they cannot leave the Church alone
(Ensign, Becometh As a Child)

The critics of the Church, who are often those within the Church, frequently say, "Why doesn't the Church do this or that?" or "Why does the Church do this or that?" Those who desire to make the greatest demands of the Church are usually those who make the fewest demands of themselves in terms of their discipleship.
(Wherefore, Ye Must Press Forward, 69.)

Church ... leaders are cruelly caricatured by some in the world. For perspective, imagine how television's six o'clock news would have protrayed Noah as he worked on his ark day by day. Besides, attention from the adversary is merely a cruel form of commendation, if we can but stand the "praise." There is such a thing as being praised with faint damns.
(Ensign, The Net Gatherers of Every Kind)

nightlight wrote: ↑December 22nd, 2019, 9:57 pm

drtanner wrote: ↑December 22nd, 2019, 9:26 pm Elder Maxwell:

Some insist upon studying the Church only through the eyes of its defectors--like interviewing Judas to understand Jesus. Defectors always tell us more about themselves than about that from which they have departed.

Church Members will live in this wheat-and-tares situation until the Millennium. Some real tares even masquerade as wheat, including a few eager individuals who lecture the rest of us about the Church doctrines in which they no longer believe. They criticize the use of Church resources to which they no longer contribute. They condescendingly seek to counsel the Brethren whom they no longer sustain. Confrontive, except of themselves of course, they leave the Church, but they cannot leave the Church alone
(Ensign, Becometh As a Child)

The critics of the Church, who are often those within the Church, frequently say, "Why doesn't the Church do this or that?" or "Why does the Church do this or that?" Those who desire to make the greatest demands of the Church are usually those who make the fewest demands of themselves in terms of their discipleship.
(Wherefore, Ye Must Press Forward, 69.)

Church ... leaders are cruelly caricatured by some in the world. For perspective, imagine how television's six o'clock news would have protrayed Noah as he worked on his ark day by day. Besides, attention from the adversary is merely a cruel form of commendation, if we can but stand the "praise." There is such a thing as being praised with faint damns.
(Ensign, The Net Gatherers of Every Kind)

"Church Members will live in this wheat-and-tares situation until the Millennium"

False doctrine.... the Millennium starts once the earth recives it Glory and after the First Resurrection.
Before that happens.....America will have been cleansed, Enochs city returned, 10 Lost Tribes established , etc....all before the Millennium.

Zion Cometh before He comes in Glory. The tares will be torn by then....or am I reading our scriptures wrong?

There is reason why mainstream Mormons don't know this.
It's the same reason why we don't speak/teach of casting out of unclean spirits.

Shhhhh...let us not speak of these massive elephants breaking our couches....people are trying to get sum sleep.