Guns Being Confiscated In California After Voluntary Registration

[Moon1943]

[Aprhys]

And yet he apologized like a little you-know-what the entire time.

[Joel]

[Joel]

[capctr]

So what are the parameters of this seizure? Is it just this one guy? Is it a select few? Or is it everybody?

[tdj]

California is circling the drain anyway. It's sad, but ironic that the more they circle the drain BECAUSE of democrat policy, the more they continue to make the policy, and therefore the more they circle the drain.

California has beautiful geography. At this point that's it's ONLY redeeming quality. What I hate so bad is that all the liberal ca trash are moving into historically conservative states and neighborhoods and they are bringing their crappy ideals with them. They are scattering about the country, ruining the rest of America. They call it progress. I told my husband just the other day that I wish CA would pull its head out of its butt already so that everyone could move BACKA there and leave us alone.

[tdj]

So what are the parameters of this seizure? Is it just this one guy? Is it a select few? Or is it everybody?

I'd like to know that also, but I get the impression they were going house to house on every registrant checking their guns.
What is also scary is the reason they gave for not arresting him. I don't believe for a moment he SHOULD have been arrested, but the reason they gave was a bit disturbing. In other words, if he caused them any inconvenience that would have been arrestable??

[tdj]

I'm on a rant, but almost done. Back in April, I spent the day at a fellow church members house. We watched a cop show, and I noticed several times unethical, bullying and downright unconstitutional behavior on the part of the police. I would say something about it, and the lady I was visiting constantly made excuses for the cops. They could do no wrong in her eyes. It got a bit frustrating, but I didn't want to ruin a friendship by getting all worked up about it, AND I was in her home as a guest. So I was obligated to bite my tongue.
But I realized then that the only way many folk are going to wake up and have that "back the blue" idiocy removed is when they PERSONALLY experience abuse at the hands of cops. When it hits home with them, then maybe they'll scrape off those stupid bumper stickers.
Bumper stickers placed on cars that the govt says you can't drive unless you pay them several extortion fees, in which the police officers are more then willing to cuff you and put you in a cage if you don't pay and have the gall to be caught by them driving said car on a road you have been taxed for and given constitutional right to use.

[EmmaLee]

And then there's this on the other coast.... Don't say stupid things, people!

https://www.theblaze.com/news/new-jerse ... 270%20days

NOVEMBER 22, 2019
New Jersey man's guns seized under red flag law after his rival in a lawsuit filed a petition - Even though both sides agree no threat was made
Matthew Hatcher

A New Jersey man is waiting to find out whether he'll ever get his guns back, after the government seized his firearms and ammunition under the state's new red flag law at the behest of his former doctor who sued him for defamation.

What are the details?

On Sept. 25, police confiscated guns from the home of Alfred Conti, 56, after a surgeon who operated on him, Dr. Matthew Kaufman, and Kaufman's attorney, James Maggs, called authorities to complain that Conti called the lawyer acting agitated.

Conti had been in pain following the neck surgery Kaufman conducted on him, and had an ongoing dispute with the physician. After Conti wrote negative online reviews against Kaufman's practice, The Plastic Surgery Center in Shrewsbury, Kaufman and Maggs sued Conti for defamation over the summer.

Even after being sued, Conti called Maggs twice, begging for Kaufman to treat him for his pain. In the second phone call, Asbury Park Press reported, "Conti used expletives and threatened to bring the police and media with him to force Kaufman to see him. He also said he knew where Maggs and Kaufman lived."

The attorney had recorded the conversation, and played it in court during a hearing on Thursday.

Conti's lawyer, Jason Seidman, asked Maggs if Conti directly threatened to inflict violence. Maggs conceded that he did not, but said that after Conti mentioned knowing where Maggs and Kaufman lived, "that, to me, was something that made me very alarmed."

Officer Dan Campanella with the Rumson Police Department also spoke at the hearing, telling the court that when police served the order to take Conti's guns, "He was very cooperative in assisting us and his conversation with us. As far as (discussing) what had occurred, he maintained that he never threatened anybody and has rightful grievances with both parties."

Anything else?

Cam Edwards of Bearing Arms wrote an assessment of the Conti case, saying, "Here's a man in a dispute with his doctor over what he believes was a botched surgery, who has made no threats against anyone, but who still may lose his right to keep and bear arms along with his good health."

"It doesn't appear that Conti's had any trouble with the law, and even now hasn't been charged with a crime, much less convicted of anything," Edwards continued, adding, "Still, one dumb comment about knowing where the doctor and his attorney live may cause him to lose his Second Amendment rights for the rest of his life."

As the Asbury Park Press noted, the Conti case serves as a test for New Jersey's red flag law, which was signed into law in September. Another hearing for Conti has been scheduled for Dec. 12.

[David13]

So what are the parameters of this seizure? Is it just this one guy? Is it a select few? Or is it everybody?

I don't know the parameters since I'm not in the registration requirement and have moved out of that insane state.

I believe that no one knows the parameters because they are so vague. It's a matter of interpretation as the fat cop said.

If you would like to try to figure some of it out, you might try calguns.net. That is the largest online gun owners forum, located in California and I know they were dealing with this issue for some time now, it was underway before I left 2 1/2 years ago. And yes there were others I believe who posted about having their guns seized. The start of it was a letter from perhaps the CA doj saying you must surrender your gun based on what you put in your registration form. We have determined it to be illegal.

If you knew about the nonsensical laws there that had been in place before that you would understand the ridiculous nature of the whole thing. All these laws are written by people who have no knowledge of guns whatsoever, and are not designed to have anything to do with crime. Only with restricting law abiding citizens.
dc

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This is why I will not register anything. And as far as the guns on the form 4473s...well those were lost in a boating accident years ago.

[ajax]

I fully support Calexit.

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I fully support Calexit.

The Californians can leave the Union and form their own country if they want, I support that too...they just can't take the land and infrastructure with them, that belongs to the American people.

[David13]

I fully support Calexit.

The Californians can leave the Union and form their own country if they want, I support that too...they just can't take the land and infrastructure with them, that belongs to the American people.

They don't want, and why should they. They are turning it into the 3rd whorld s**thold they want it to be in their utopian idiocy.

The impetus comes from those who want the U S to dump them out. But it will never happen.

There long has been a separate movement in northern California and parts of Oregon to set up a separate Republic called Jefferson. But it never knew it it would go left or right or where. So it never got going much.
dc

As far as the California registration, I believe it had to do with California's oddball definition of an 'assault weapon' and was initially voluntary but then became mandatory. I believe it dealt with the believed to be millions who had bought 80% lowers and then built out their gun from that, adding those aspects that they wanted.

I'm not sure as I say I was not a part of that. It did not to my knowledge deal with registration of all guns. But of course they will get around to that soon. Or just go direct to an outright ban and confiscation of any and all guns.

[Joel]

[Joel]

[Thinker]

What is going on? What is the best response to this attack on our rights as Americans?

After Katrina, many people’s guns were confiscated - some by force or gunpoint. One woman explained how it was wrong to take them from law-abiding citizens while criminals who didn’t obey laws could keep them.
https://youtu.be/-taU9d26wT4

A man from NC says similarly how what will happen if they take guns away is it will only disarm law-abiding citizens while making it easier for criminals, so that everyone is less safe. And it breaks our constitutional right.
https://youtu.be/vZSA7QjVT6A

[Joel]

[markharr]

It's important to note that there are millions of conservatives in CA. There are more conservatives in CA than there are in some conservative states, including UT. There are probably more conservatives in CA, than UT, ID, and WY combined, there just happen to be more liberals and if there are enough liberals to vote liberals into power, liberals will rig the system to ensure they are always in power. They attempted to do that on a national level during Obama's terms.

I recently visited California. I was chaperoning a high school group and while there we visited Balboa beach. While at Balboa beach, were approached by a gentleman who complimented us on the well behaved kids, and that we must be teaching these kids good conservative christian values. We spoke for 15 min about gun rights, the loss of liberty, religious liberty, and the state of the country. It was the only political discussion I had. I really wasnt expecting it at all. In a lot of ways, I see that people are more religious than they are in UT. I see churches and crosses on homes and hilltops everywhere. I have been told that Jesus loves you by cashiers and people on the streets.

There are still good people in California, virginia, New York, and other states that have been deemed to be lost to wickedness. We should keep that in mind. They need our help, not our condemnation.

[Joel]

[righteousrepublic]

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One thing that is for certain, if one is going to shoot at cops be prepared to die. It isn't going to be a single cop coming at one's door to engage the tyrannical confiscation. And not everyone has or wants an AR15 or any other high capacity weapon. Even then the guy protecting his rights will die. The cops will shoot hundreds of holes in the house from all angles until they get results. Other family members in the house will be slaughtered as well...all in the name of officer safety.

This is a different scenario, however, this picture shows what a house can look like after cops get done with it. This home was the house of the Tuttle family that cops went in and killed, no, slaughtered both people and their pet dog
in Houston, TX. It was a botched, no-knock warrant fomented by crooked cops.