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Five Stages of Collapse

Posted: December 22nd, 2008, 11:26 am
by Oldemandalton
I had included this article in another thread but thought that in light of what is happening to our financial world that it would make a good topic.

During the Depression we went through stages 1 & 2 and part ways into 3. That was over 70 years ago. Today the whole world’s monetary systems are connected, based on the dollar. If we collapse so does everyone else. My predictions;
1.We will continue into stage 2 due to the printing of trillions of dollars, the bail outs, and almost 0% interest rates which will cause Hyper Inflation. See the German Weimar Republic for the effects of hyper inflation.
2.At this time there will be a cry world wide to come up with a global fix. Banking world wide will be officially connected.
3.This wont work. The World will go into stage 3, Political collapse. Wars will increase and governments across the globe will be overthrown by dictators. Evil men will desire to take over other regions as their economies collapse. What will countries like Russia, China, N. Korea, Iran, Venezuela, Cuba, etc be willing to do to salvage their countries? WW III will be eminent or take place. Areas of the world and our country will fall to stages 4 & 5 during this period. Missionaries called home during the anarchy.
4.In the aftermath the sheeple of the world will be convinced that a World Government and economic system will be required to save mankind. Do away with all these warring armies and have one world army. Do away with all of these collapsing governments when only one is needed. Have one police force. Have one religion incorporating all that is good and get rid of all of the religious strife. The majority of the sheeple will follow. Welcome One World Government and the mark of the Beast, which will be a cashless society with at first smart cards then going to implants under the skin. We all know what happens next!





The Five Stages of Collapse
Dmitry Orlov

Elizabeth Kübler-Ross defined the five stages of coming to terms with grief and tragedy as denial, anger, bargaining, depression, and acceptance, and applied it quite successfully to various forms of catastrophic personal loss, such as death of a loved one, sudden end to one's career, and so forth. Several thinkers, notably James Howard Kunstler and, more recently John Michael Greer, have pointed out that the Kübler-Ross model is also quite terrifyingly accurate in reflecting the process by which society as a whole (or at least the informed and thinking parts of it) is reconciling itself to the inevitability of a discontinuous future, with our institutions and life support systems undermined by a combination of resource depletion, catastrophic climate change, and political impotence. But so far, little has been said specifically about the finer structure of these discontinuities. Instead, there is to be found a continuum of subjective judgments, ranging from "a severe and prolonged recession" (the prediction we most often read in the financial press), to Kunstler's "Long Emergency," to the ever-popular "Collapse of Western Civilization," painted with an ever-wider brush-stroke.

For those of us who have already gone through all of the emotional stages of reconciling ourselves to the prospect of social and economic upheaval, it might be helpful to have a more precise terminology that goes beyond such emotionally charged phrases. Defining a taxonomy of collapses might prove to be more than just an intellectual exercise: based on our abilities and circumstances, some of us may be able to specifically plan for a certain stage of collapse as a temporary, or even permanent, stopping point. Even if society at the current stage of socioeconomic complexity will no longer be possible, and even if, as Tainter points in his "Collapse of Complex Societies," there are circumstances in which collapse happens to be the correct adaptive response, it need not automatically cause a population crash, with the survivors disbanding into solitary, feral humans dispersed in the wilderness and subsisting miserably. Collapse can be conceived of as an orderly, organized retreat rather than a rout.

For instance, the collapse of the Soviet Union - our most recent and my personal favorite example of an imperial collapse - did not reach the point of political disintegration of the republics that made it up, although some of them (Georgia, Moldova) did lose some territory to separatist movements. And although most of the economy shut down for a time, many institutions, including the military, public utilities, and public transportation, continued to function throughout. And although there was much social dislocation and suffering, society as a whole did not collapse, because most of the population did not lose access to food, housing, medicine, or any of the other survival necessities. The command-and-control structure of the Soviet economy largely decoupled the necessities of daily life from any element of market psychology, associating them instead with physical flows of energy and physical access to resources. This situation, as I argue in my forthcoming book, Reinventing Collapse, allowed the Soviet population to inadvertently achieve a greater level of collapse-preparedness than is currently possible in the United States.

Having given a lot of thought to both the differences and the similarities between the two superpowers - the one that has collapsed already, and the one that is collapsing as I write this - I feel ready to attempt a bold conjecture, and define five stages of collapse, to serve as mental milestones as we gauge our own collapse-preparedness and see what can be done to improve it. Rather than tying each phase to a particular emotion, as in the Kübler-Ross model, the proposed taxonomy ties each of the five collapse stages to the breaching of a specific level of trust, or faith, in the status quo. Although each stage causes physical, observable changes in the environment, these can be gradual, while the mental flip is generally quite swift. It is something of a cultural universal that nobody (but a real fool) wants to be the last fool to believe in a lie.

Stages of Collapse

Stage 1: Financial collapse. Faith in "business as usual" is lost. The future is no longer assumed resemble the past in any way that allows risk to be assessed and financial assets to be guaranteed. Financial institutions become insolvent; savings are wiped out, and access to capital is lost.

Stage 2: Commercial collapse. Faith that "the market shall provide" is lost. Money is devalued and/or becomes scarce, commodities are hoarded, import and retail chains break down, and widespread shortages of survival necessities become the norm.

Stage 3: Political collapse. Faith that "the government will take care of you" is lost. As official attempts to mitigate widespread loss of access to commercial sources of survival necessities fail to make a difference, the political establishment loses legitimacy and relevance.

Stage 4: Social collapse. Faith that "your people will take care of you" is lost, as local social institutions, be they charities or other groups that rush in to fill the power vacuum run out of resources or fail through internal conflict.

Stage 5: Cultural collapse. Faith in the goodness of humanity is lost. People lose their capacity for "kindness, generosity, consideration, affection, honesty, hospitality, compassion, charity" (Turnbull, The Mountain People). Families disband and compete as individuals for scarce resources. The new motto becomes "May you die today so that I die tomorrow" (Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago). There may even be some cannibalism.

Although many people imagine collapse to be a sort of elevator that goes to the sub-basement (our Stage 5) no matter which button you push, no such automatic mechanism can be discerned. Rather, driving us all to Stage 5 will require that a concerted effort be made at each of the intervening stages. That all the players seem poised to make just such an effort may give this collapse the form a classical tragedy - a conscious but inexorable march to perdition - rather than a farce ("Oops! Ah, here we are, Stage 5." - "So, whom do we eat first?" - "Me! I am delicious!") Let us sketch out this process.

Financial collapse, as we are are currently observing it, consists of two parts. One is that a part of the general population is forced to move, no longer able to afford the house they bought based on inflated assessments, forged income numbers, and foolish expectations of endless asset inflation. Since, technically, they should never have been allowed to buy these houses, and were only able to do so because of financial and political malfeasance, this is actually a healthy development. The second part consists of men in expensive suits tossing bundles of suddenly worthless paper up in the air, ripping out their remaining hair, and (some of us might uncharitably hope) setting themselves on fire on the steps of the Federal Reserve. They, to express it in their own vernacular, "[screwed] up," and so this is also just as it should be.

The government response to this could be to offer some helpful homilies about "the wages of sin" and to open a few soup kitchens and flop houses in a variety of locations including Wall Street. The message would be: "You former debt addicts and gamblers, as you say, '[screwed] up,' and so this will really hurt for a long time. We will never let you anywhere near big money again. Get yourselves over to the soup kitchen, and bring your own bowl, because we don't do dishes." This would result in a stable Stage 1 collapse - the Second Great Depression.

Re: Five Stages of Collapse

Posted: December 22nd, 2008, 11:57 am
by kathyn
Oldemandalton. All I can say is WOW!

My question is...do the Powers That Be intend for all of these consequences or have they unleashed a sleeping tiger? In other words, I know that the LDG's and SC's are behind these things but will they also "fall into the pit that they digged for others"?

At any rate, we see that the tribulations are indeed coming faster and faster. We do live in very interesting times.

Re: Five Stages of Collapse

Posted: December 22nd, 2008, 12:56 pm
by Oldemandalton
1 Nephi 33:13-14
13 And the blood of that great and aabominable church, which is the whore of all the earth, shall turn upon their own heads; for they shall bwar among themselves, and the sword of their cown hands shall fall upon their own heads, and they shall be drunken with their own blood.
14 And every anation which shall war against thee, O house of Israel, shall be turned one against another, and they shall bfall into the pit which they digged to ensnare the people of the Lord. And all that cfight against Zion shall be destroyed, and that great whore, who hath perverted the right ways of the Lord, yea, that great and abominable church, shall tumble to the ddust and great shall be the fall of it.


I believe that The Latter Day Gadiantons want to take power from the ashes of the chaos as they have in the past. After WW I came the League of Nations, WW II brought The United Nations, what will WW III bring? They’ll try and may succeed for a season but in the end when they set their sights to destroy Zion, it will fall.

Re: Five Stages of Collapse

Posted: December 22nd, 2008, 5:55 pm
by pritchet1
We are positioned to go deeper into WWIV. The so-called Cold-War was WWIII.

http://www.clausewitz.com/VITA/WWIV.htm
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... _war_4.htm

The so-called Soviet Union Collapse isn't real. The KGB never stood down and the Russian military continues to grow. It is part of a 70-year plan. One of the KGB leaders who "defected", came and spoke to us and told us the "grand deception".

http://www.videofact.com/english/cia_kgb.html
http://www.discerningtoday.org/members/ ... eption.htm
http://www.mcalvanyintelligenceadvisor. ... 082701.htm

Re: Five Stages of Collapse

Posted: December 23rd, 2008, 8:10 am
by Oldemandalton
[We are positioned to go deeper into WWIV. The so-called Cold-War was WWIII.]

I never really saw The Cold War as a full blown “World War” as in the first two, but a war using client states where our armies never met face to face. WW I and WW II brought us closer and closer to the New World Order. IMO, WW III will get us there.

Re: Five Stages of Collapse

Posted: December 23rd, 2008, 8:43 am
by pritchet1
Well actually, they did on many occasions - and not just at " Ice Station Zebra" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_Station_Zebra_(film), only we sanitized them in our minds as "Conflicts".

The Korean War was part of WWIII and so was the Vietnam War. In a sense, WWII never ended, as the Soviet Union and "Communism" continued their "domino effect" in Europe, Asia and Latin America, with the latest, longest war being in the Gulf, which also has and continues to involve many nations. Every war involving troops under the UN flag is symbolic of the "world at war", since they supposedly "represent" all nations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars

Joseph Smith said it all started with the Civil War in South Carolina, which I agree was a "punishment to the US" for not repenting for what it had done to the Saints, as elaborated in the Journal of Discourses ("The Saints and the Union: Utah Territory During the Civil War"). http://books.google.com/books?id=S4E3nXtuZD8C

There has never ever been anything "Cold" about the Cold War (WWIII) except in our minds. The world has been in constant war as prophesied. We as US citizens, have been for the most part, insulated from much of it. And we are reminded of our activities in it when the body bags come home.

I remember clearly Cleon Skousen stating that if UN troops fired on Israeli troops in Jerusalem, that prophecy regarding all nations fighting against Israel would be fulfilled.

So yes, whether or not you care to believe it, we are in the unwinnable WWIV (war against "Terrorism"), triggered by the false flag of 9/11.

Re: Five Stages of Collapse

Posted: December 24th, 2008, 9:14 am
by Oldemandalton
[So yes, whether or not you care to believe it, we are in the unwinnable WWIV (war against "Terrorism"), triggered by the false flag of 9/11.]

I guess we agree on substance of what is going on but not on terminology, prichet1. :) I saw the Cold War as part of the “prepatory wars”. Wars at various times and places on the globe not necessarily all at the same time. I see a “World War” as an event that will encompass the whole world at the same time. Large armies invading their neighbors, nuclear strikes, naval battles involving whole fleets, revolutions, etc. This is how I envision the next WW. BTW I have seen other writers refer to the Clod War as WW III also.

As for 9/11 being a “false flag” event you know my view on that theory from another thread, :) see;

http://www.911myths.com/index.html

Merry Christmas Everyone
Old Man