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WE HAVE ONE (several?) HEAVENLY mother(s)

Posted: September 22nd, 2019, 4:02 pm
by SAVELLI1
WE HAVE ONE (several?) HEAVENLY MOTHER (s)
HEAVENLY MOTHER as assumed by some LDS: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1590229 ... 880269292/ On the INTERNET cover of FIGURE CALLING LINK ABOUT MOTHER - https://www.facebook.com/groups/1590229 ... 604514220/ THE LINK ABOUT HEAVENLY MOTHER - https://maisfe.org/para-reflect/referen ... MAbl2qA2LE DETAILED

LINK ABOUT HEAVENLY MOTHER: TEXT partially reproduced below:

Amazing Book of Mormon Reference to Heavenly Mother Posted by Team More Faith | Jul. 5, 2017 |. • • • • Belief in a Heavenly Mother is possibly one of the most distinct beliefs of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. It's not just something that makes us think about it and wonder. It is a doctrinal necessity. Based on our belief in the principles of exaltation, eternal marriage, and spiritual families, it is impossible for us not to have a Heavenly Mother. In fact, according to the revelation Joseph Smith received, Heavenly Father could not be God without a Heavenly Mother. However, no matter how grateful we are for the certainties we have received from modern prophets and general authorities, we yearn to find a reference to the Mother whom we know looks upon us from above. Book of Mormon


Let us assume that the "Tree of Life" is the symbolic representation of our Gods (Father, Son and Holy Spirit, the "God Head") and that Adam is a Gardener near the Tree of Life. –

Figures 1 to 20 are in the following LINK:
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Attached is Figure 1 (general, blurred) and Figure 2 is a clear detail of the central part of Figure 1.

Figure 3 shows that the LIFE TREE can be considered as a single TREE, with the HEAVENLY FATHER TREE being the CENTRAL tree. Such a tree has a right BRANCH which is the SON TREE and has a left BRANCH which is the HOLY SPIRIT TREE. The 3 TREES form one God (“GOD HEAD”), one TREE of LIFE. They are interconnected in such a way that they are inseparable.

Figure 4 shows that HEAVENLY FATHER was once a mortal man who “made progress”, thus while living under another HEAVENLY FATHER, who in turn ... So we have an infinite sequence of GODS, until we reach the SUPREME GOD, the SUPREME BEING, who is only one.

We can assume that all who are God are interconnected (as is the FATHER TREE, the SON TREE, and the HOLY SPIRIT TREE) as infinite TREES of LIFE and yet form one God: One tree of life. They are one and inseparable (as are the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit). This chain of TREES TO THE SUPREME TREE is shown in Figure 4, which shows that the HEAVENLY FATHER TREE, and the HOLY SPIRIT TREE are at the RIGHT end of the SUPERB LIFE TREE and it will continue RIGHT with the FUTURES TREES OF LIFE.

Figure 5 shows in detail the union of the FATHER and SON and HOLY SPIRIT TREES, and the interconnection with the FATHER’S FATHER and so on, infinitely.

We note that the FATHER TREE is “different” from the SON and HOLY SPIRIT TREES. The FATHER TREE has a TOP CUP that represents the HEAVENLY MOTHER forever united with the HEAVENLY FATHER.

Looking more closely at the figure of the “FATHER and MOTHER” TREE we see that the MOTHER portion can be composed of GATED TREES, one over the other (s), representing the various celestial mothers, which are 12 (twelve) parts (mothers) distinct, following a “hierarchy” of mothers (and powers), being one MOTHER for each of the 12 tribes. For the sake of clarity of the design, we only represented 6.

These overlapping trees are superimposed on the FATHER TREE through the most important MOTHER, which is MARY, the HEAVENLY MOTHER who represents all 12 Mothers before the HEAVENLY FATHER. The Heavenly Father is in support of the Heavenly Mothers, and intertwines with the TREES SON and HOLY SPIRIT, and also with the infinite other TREES of LIFE, until they compose the SUPREME TREE of LIFE, with the SUPREME BEING is the PRIMORDIAL tree: It was and is and will be always the "I AM THAT I AM, ETERNALLY, AND ONLY."

We can see that the SON and HOLY TREES do not have the upper FEMININE portion. They are still SINGLE and the Day of the Lamb and Holy Ghost MARRIAGE will come, and they will be joined to PURE, PRUDENT, and WISE VIRGINS, and will become as the HEAVENLY FATHER is: MARRIED.

We can see, in Figure 6, what is the SUPERPOSITION OF LIFE TREES as grafted on top of each other, until the grafting with the HEAVENLY FATHER TREE. The drawing is schematic, and only shows 6 wives instead of 12, for reasons of symbolic clarity. All 13 overlapping trees produce their own fruits. The male fruit together with each female fruit generates the SPIRITUAL SONS, us in the PRE-EXISTENCE. The EVIL Sons, a GARDENER removed them and transported them to the place of the “burning”: hell. See Figure 2, the GARDENER is now the SUPREME BEING, who is supreme in relation to all TREES: he has "hands" and "feet" and is one: I AM THAT I AM ALWAYS.

In Figures 7 and 8 we show that the HEAVENLY FATHER TREE and HEAVENLY MOTHER can be represented schematically by another LIFE TREE model (the Pine of Paraná, MENORAH) in which the change and “support” of the mothers (which are the BRANCHES), is the heavenly father. Instead of the green branch of the pines, we can assume (symbolically) that they are FIRE TORCHES. Thus the complete TREE OF LIFE is the source of PURE LIGHT, the MENORAH, a living candlestick. For the sake of easier design, I only drew 6 BRANCHES. There are actually 12 BRANCHES, each inserted just above the previous one. The lower BRANCH of all 12 represents the QUEEN of all, the PRIMORDIAL WIFE, right side. We can assume that each of the 6 BRANCHES represents 2 BRANCHES, as we will show. In fact the MENORAH is the PROJECTION of a THREE-DIMENSIONAL LIFE TREE, Figure 9, which has made the "MENORAH SHADOW" in a vertical plane, and Moses had seen the "shadow" of the TRIDIMENSIONAL TREE of LIFE and SEVEN FLAMES ... number 7.

Let's look at Figure 9 and its detail, which is Figure 10. Figure is removed from the 2010 YAHOO BRAZIL GROUP, for LDS Mormons. We can see that the FATHER and MOTHER LIFE TREE has 12 BULBS, situated in a single circle of FLAMES, equal spacing (30 degrees), and that the central flame is the FATHER FLAME. We can see that the vertical projection of the 12 branches results in a "shadow" of 6 FEMALE BRANCHES, six lights of the MENORAH. We can see that the torches are interconnected in two TRIANGLES, when in horizontal projection, results in 2 intertwined triangles, forming the DAVID’S STAR or SHIELD, in which is missing the FATHER FLAME = MAIN LIGHT, as if a small conical arrow in the center of the shield.

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VIKING Shield with its “valued center” (“star” in the DAVID”S Shield, with EDGE) is the MODEL for DAVID’S SHIELD and STAR.

In Figures 11 and 12 we can see the horizontal projection of the FATHER and MOTHER'S TREE resulting in the circle (shield boundary) and within 4 interlaced triangles of the DAVID’S SHELL and in the center of it is missing a small DAVID’S STAR, symbolizing the HEAVENLY FATHER LIGHT-FLAME. A DAVID’S star is formed by a triangle with a full line. The other 2 star sides of David’s is 60 degrees away. This is the visible (outer) side of the Shield. Interspersed at 30 degrees is the star in yellow, also forming another invisible David’s star, because it is inside the shield.

In Figure 13 we show the shield of David, without the edge of the shield on its outside, seeing the 2 stars of the shield of David. The other 2 stars of David are hidden by the shield.

Israel's ISRAEL EMBLEM POLITICAL FLAG is incomplete: the boundary circle of the SHIELD is missing, as well is missing the small central star of DAVID representing the HEAVENLY FATHER, right in the Center of the Shield and the 2 triangles of the Star of DAVID. Israel has forgotten God JEOVAH as the MAIN central DETAIL that is missing.

In Figure 14 we show the ISRAEL RELIGIOUS Emblem, with a MENORAH in the central part, and two Branches representing the HEAVENLY MOTHER = MARY on the right side, and on the left side another superimposed heavenly Mother, named I=person + SABaoh + EL=God, the name is ISABEL.

In Figure 15 we see the MENORAH, conquered from JERUSALEM, entering ROME, the “other JERUSALEM”, the (new) capital city of the 10 tribes. It was the retribution of ROMANS = SABELLIS for the contempt and insults and death given to Jesus, the KING OF THE JEWS. The 10 tribes, through a ROMAN = SABELLI representative, acknowledged that Jesus was not worthy of death and "washed the hands of BLOOD" that the Jews caused in Jesus by his death.

In Figure 16 we see a fixed, gold-yellow sponged marine animal that inhabits the Mediterranean Sea and the coast of Israel and was fished (by the 12 tribes) to be sent, due to its softness and value, for cosmetic uses in Egypt and the Middle East. The Jews were unable to recognize the extraordinary resemblance of the ALIVE MENORAH to the INERT MENORAH, and did not give due respect.

After all, how to recognize the Jews and those of the 10 tribes? They would have some "sign" of birth or when grown. In fact it seems that certain favored people are born with the star on the FRONT and we could look at the DAVI’S STAR on the FRONTS of the herd of the 12 tribes.

Figure 17 and Figure 18 are funny drawings of how the 10 tribes blindly view the Jewish brothers. In vain the 10 tribes in Nazi Germany sought and would reward anyone who discovered any "body mark" on the Jews. They were chased based on surnames and of ancestors. The same can be used to, in return, to "hunt" those of the 10 "lost" tribes. The "hunting season" is also open to these "not lost but hidden" sheeps. Done from 2:00 pm to 10:30 pm on 9/21/2019, including the YAHOO cartoon on hunting since 2009, with a rest for dinner and the “universal” party.

I am but a humble LAMANITA (by ancestors) and white warrior: PHOTO 19.
Trip to the LDS Temple, Sep 14, 2019: PHOTO 20

POINTS TO KNOW:

The Book of Mormon, part of the Latter Day Saint canon of scripture, refers to Mary by name in prophecies of her mission, [3] and describes her as "most beautiful and fair above all other virgins" [4] and as a " precious and chosen vessel. "[5]

3 - MOSIAS = MOSES + I (Male) + AH (belonging to) 3: 8

4 - 1 Nephi 11: 13-20 (NEPHin = "dwelling place" of NEPHs) is a high mountain in IRELAND.

5 - Alma 7:10
TRANSLATION OF THE TEXT IN PORTUGUESE:

And behold, (what?) will be born of Mary (HEAVENLY MOTHER) in Jerusalem (HEAVENLY town; in mortality he was born in BETHLEHEM), which is the land of "our" ancestors (ANCESTORS = PRE-EXISTENCE) - end of prophecy by FATHER’S FATHER: Jesus was not born in JERUSALEM (earthly), but in Bethlehem (;)

, being she (MARY MORTAL) a virgin, a precious and chosen vessel; and a shadow shall envelop her; and shall conceive by the power of the Holy Ghost, and bear a son, even the Son of God.

ORIGINAL TEXT IN ENGLISH for Alma 7:10
10 And behold, he (Jehovah, first son of Elohim in pre-existence) shall be born of Mary, at “Jerusalem” which is the land of our forefathers, ( ; )
; she (mortal MARY) being a virgin, a precious and chosen vessel, who shall be overshadowed and conceive by the power of the Holy Ghost, and bring forth a son, yea, even the Son of God.

Re: WE HAVE ONE (several?) HEAVENLY mother(s)

Posted: September 24th, 2019, 2:09 pm
by Eulate
You make some interesting points here. I think what you say makes sense. I'm pretty new as a commenter here as well. I hope some more experienced members of this forum will make a comment.

Re: WE HAVE ONE (several?) HEAVENLY mother(s)

Posted: September 24th, 2019, 2:52 pm
by Robin Hood
I am not convinced by the heavenly mother doctrine.

Re: WE HAVE ONE (several?) HEAVENLY mother(s)

Posted: September 25th, 2019, 6:06 am
by Silas
We have one Heavenly Mother. Our Heavenly Father has many wives though.

Re: WE HAVE ONE (several?) HEAVENLY mother(s)

Posted: September 25th, 2019, 7:41 am
by Kingdom of ZION
First I do not Facebook so you picture references were wasted on me...

As for the Tree of Life (Kabbalah) which I have studied years and years ago, has no such additions.

As for the perpetual Virginity of Mary, you would have to talk with the Catholics to find commonality. After a women has had a Baby... virginity has left the building.

But the heart of the issue here I will address far more specifically: Heavenly Mother(s). Are their Women in heaven? Yes! Are they Mothers? Yes! Did they birth at any time any children ever in heaven? No! And there is not such record to the contrary. Where did ALL the G_ds get their Immortal Bodies from? Right here in hell, in a Telestial realm like this world. Where do the Women get their Bodies? In a Terrestrial realm, like the Millennium just ahead of us.

When we were "Organized" into sentient Beings, we were not created and birthed. Did Heaven Father do this by himself or did it take Him and a Wife (Wives) to do such? It is not revealed! However I will tell you that they do not give Eternal Names to such Children at that time... they only Name the Children that manage to return back into that Celestial realm. Something like a Tithe of a Tithe.

So, is worrying about some women that never birth you in heaven, that you cannot remember, and who you are told nothing about, who have never spoken to us, as there is no record of such ever happening... is a total waste of time.

Love the Mothers you have here. Be grateful for their sacrifices on their part for you and nurturing serve and love they have for you!

Shalom

Re: WE HAVE ONE (several?) HEAVENLY mother(s)

Posted: September 25th, 2019, 10:21 pm
by brianj
Silas wrote: September 25th, 2019, 6:06 am We have one Heavenly Mother. (++ We believe ++) our Heavenly Father has many wives though.
Fixed it for you. There's no doctrinal source to confirm Celestial polygamy, though a strong argument can be made for such. I believe it and have my reasons, others don't believe it and have their reasons, so we'll just have to wait and see.

Re: WE HAVE ONE (several?) HEAVENLY mother(s)

Posted: September 26th, 2019, 5:57 am
by LittleNipper
GOD is ONE and beside HIM there are no others. All other considerations ARE PAGAN.

Isaiah 45:5
"I am the LORD, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God I will gird you, though you have not known Me;

Exodus 20:3
"You shall have no other gods before Me.

Exodus 34:14
--for you shall not worship any other god, for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God--


2 Kings 19:15
Hezekiah prayed before the LORD and said, "O LORD, the God of Israel, who are enthroned above the cherubim, You are the God, You alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth. You have made heaven and earth.

Psalm 86:10
For You are great and do wondrous deeds; You alone are God.

Isaiah 37:16
"O LORD of hosts, the God of Israel, who is enthroned above the cherubim, You are the God, You alone, of all the kingdoms of the earth You have made heaven and earth.

Isaiah 37:20
"Now, O LORD our God, deliver us from his hand that all the kingdoms of the earth may know that You alone, LORD, are God."

Psalm 83:18
That they may know that You alone, whose name is the LORD, Are the Most High over all the earth.

Nehemiah 9:6
"You alone are the LORD You have made the heavens, The heaven of heavens with all their host, The earth and all that is on it, The seas and all that is in them You give life to all of them And the heavenly host bows down before You.

2 Kings 19:19
"Now, O LORD our God, I pray, deliver us from his hand that all the kingdoms of the earth may know that You alone, O LORD, are God."

Isaiah 44:8
'Do not tremble and do not be afraid; Have I not long since announced it to you and declared it? And you are My witnesses Is there any God besides Me, Or is there any other Rock? I know of none.'"


2 Samuel 22:32
"For who is God, besides the LORD? And who is a rock, besides our God?

Psalm 18:31
For who is God, but the LORD? And who is a rock, except our God,

Isaiah 45:14
Thus says the LORD, "The products of Egypt and the merchandise of Cush And the Sabeans, men of stature, Will come over to you and will be yours; They will walk behind you, they will come over in chains And will bow down to you; They will make supplication to you: 'Surely, God is with you, and there is none else, No other God.'"

Isaiah 45:18
For thus says the LORD, who created the heavens (He is the God who formed the earth and made it, He established it and did not create it a waste place, but formed it to be inhabited), "I am the LORD, and there is none else.

Deuteronomy 32:39
'See now that I, I am He, And there is no god besides Me; It is I who put to death and give life I have wounded and it is I who heal, And there is no one who can deliver from My hand.

Isaiah 44:6
"Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: 'I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me.

Isaiah 45:21
"Declare and set forth your case; Indeed, let them consult together Who has announced this from of old? Who has long since declared it? Is it not I, the LORD? And there is no other God besides Me, A righteous God and a Savior; There is none except Me.

Isaiah 45:6
That men may know from the rising to the setting of the sun That there is no one besides Me. I am the LORD, and there is no other,

2 Samuel 7:22
"For this reason You are great, O Lord GOD; for there is none like You, and there is no God besides You, according to all that we have heard with our ears.

Isaiah 64:4
For from days of old they have not heard or perceived by ear, Nor has the eye seen a God besides You, Who acts in behalf of the one who waits for Him.

Deuteronomy 4:35
"To you it was shown that you might know that the LORD, He is God; there is no other besides Him.

Deuteronomy 4:39
"Know therefore today, and take it to your heart, that the LORD, He is God in heaven above and on the earth below; there is no other.

1 Kings 8:60
so that all the peoples of the earth may know that the LORD is God; there is no one else.

Isaiah 45:22
"Turn to Me and be saved, all the ends of the earth; For I am God, and there is no other.

Isaiah 46:9
"Remember the former things long past, For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is no one like Me,

2 Kings 5:15
Verse Concepts
When he returned to the man of God with all his company, and came and stood before him, he said, "Behold now, I know that there is no God in all the earth, but in Israel; so please take a present from your servant now."

1 Corinthians 8:4
Therefore concerning the eating of things sacrificed to idols, we know that there is no such thing as an idol in the world, and that there is no God but one.

John 5:44
"How can you believe, when you receive glory from one another and you do not seek the glory that is from the one and only God?

1 Timothy 1:17
Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.

Mark 12:32
The scribe said to Him, "Right, Teacher; You have truly stated that HE IS ONE, AND THERE IS NO ONE ELSE BESIDES HIM;

Isaiah 43:10
"You are My witnesses," declares the LORD, "And My servant whom I have chosen, So that you may know and believe Me And understand that I am He Before Me there was no God formed, And there will be none after Me.

Hosea 13:4
Yet I have been the LORD your God Since the land of Egypt; And you were not to know any god except Me, For there is no savior besides Me.

Joel 2:27
"Thus you will know that I am in the midst of Israel, And that I am the LORD your God, And there is no other; And My people will never be put to shame.

Re: WE HAVE ONE (several?) HEAVENLY mother(s)

Posted: September 26th, 2019, 6:25 am
by LittleNipper
II Timothy 4:3

for there shall be a season when the sound teaching they will not suffer, but according to their own desires to themselves they shall heap up teachers -- itching in the hearing,

Re: WE HAVE ONE (several?) HEAVENLY mother(s)

Posted: September 26th, 2019, 8:51 am
by Valo
LittleNipper wrote: September 26th, 2019, 6:25 am II Timothy 4:3

for there shall be a season when the sound teaching they will not suffer, but according to their own desires to themselves they shall heap up teachers -- itching in the hearing,
Why do you, LittleNipper, feel like you are not suffering sound teaching? How long have you followed after your "own desires" to "heap up teachers"? Have you considered why you might have "itching in the hearing"?

Valo

Re: WE HAVE ONE (several?) HEAVENLY mother(s)

Posted: September 26th, 2019, 8:55 am
by Valo
LittleNipper wrote: September 26th, 2019, 5:57 am GOD is ONE and beside HIM there are no others. All other considerations ARE PAGAN.
What your statement really means is this: You have a particular belief/faith/opinion. There are beliefs/faiths/opinions out there that are different from yours that you disagree with. Therefore, anything besides your opinion or what you believe is PAGAN.

Funny! :lol:

Valo

Re: WE HAVE ONE (several?) HEAVENLY mother(s)

Posted: September 26th, 2019, 9:03 am
by Zathura
LittleNipper wrote: September 26th, 2019, 6:25 am II Timothy 4:3

for there shall be a season when the sound teaching they will not suffer, but according to their own desires to themselves they shall heap up teachers -- itching in the hearing,
Oh, are you still talking? You kind of drown yourself out with your spamming and refusal to engage in a discussion
Your own special little interpretations have been heard, no need to spam it.

Re: WE HAVE ONE (several?) HEAVENLY mother(s)

Posted: September 26th, 2019, 10:01 am
by Valo
Valo wrote: September 26th, 2019, 8:51 am
LittleNipper wrote: September 26th, 2019, 6:25 am II Timothy 4:3

for there shall be a season when the sound teaching they will not suffer, but according to their own desires to themselves they shall heap up teachers -- itching in the hearing,
Why do you, LittleNipper, feel like you are not suffering sound teaching? How long have you followed after your "own desires" to "heap up teachers"? Have you considered why you might have "itching in the hearing"?

Valo
So, you gonna share about your difficulties accepting sound teachings, having itching ears, and heaping up to yourself teachers that teach what you like, LittleNipper?

Valo

Re: WE HAVE ONE (several?) HEAVENLY mother(s)

Posted: September 26th, 2019, 1:53 pm
by LittleNipper
Valo wrote: September 26th, 2019, 8:51 am
LittleNipper wrote: September 26th, 2019, 6:25 am II Timothy 4:3

for there shall be a season when the sound teaching they will not suffer, but according to their own desires to themselves they shall heap up teachers -- itching in the hearing,
Why do you, LittleNipper, feel like you are not suffering sound teaching? How long have you followed after your "own desires" to "heap up teachers"? Have you considered why you might have "itching in the hearing"?

Valo
There is, was, and are no heavenly GOD wives, concubines and heavenly prostitutes. These are pagan fantasy and such heresies are the climatic result of Mormon theology, You seem to be doing Joseph Smith proud.

Re: WE HAVE ONE (several?) HEAVENLY mother(s)

Posted: September 26th, 2019, 2:07 pm
by Valo
LittleNipper wrote: September 26th, 2019, 1:53 pm
Valo wrote: September 26th, 2019, 8:51 am
LittleNipper wrote: September 26th, 2019, 6:25 am II Timothy 4:3

for there shall be a season when the sound teaching they will not suffer, but according to their own desires to themselves they shall heap up teachers -- itching in the hearing,
Why do you, LittleNipper, feel like you are not suffering sound teaching? How long have you followed after your "own desires" to "heap up teachers"? Have you considered why you might have "itching in the hearing"?

Valo
There is, was, and are no heavenly GOD wives, concubines and heavenly prostitutes. These are pagan fantasy and such heresies are the climatic result of Mormon theology, You seem to be doing Joseph Smith proud.
Ah, now you're being more honest at least and saying what you really feel. As to your ad hominem: I'm like rubber, you're like glue, whatever you say about me bounces off and sticks to you! (I think that's how that saying goes, don't know for sure! :lol: ).

I guess my assumption that you were judging yourself with the Timothy quote was wrong...

Physician, heal thyself!

Valo

Re: WE HAVE ONE (several?) HEAVENLY mother(s)

Posted: September 26th, 2019, 2:30 pm
by LittleNipper
Valo wrote: September 26th, 2019, 8:55 am
LittleNipper wrote: September 26th, 2019, 5:57 am GOD is ONE and beside HIM there are no others. All other considerations ARE PAGAN.
What your statement really means is this: You have a particular belief/faith/opinion. There are beliefs/faiths/opinions out there that are different from yours that you disagree with. Therefore, anything besides your opinion or what you believe is PAGAN.

Funny! :lol:

Valo
My beliefs are founded on the ROCK and not on some slippery slope. The biblical verses I've submitted ABOVE all truly indicate that there are NO OTHER GODS. This would include either male or female. I would like you to prove that GOD the Father begat spirit children without a "GOD MOTHER". And since there are no other GODS, such would seem out of the question. Or do you simply presume that any "female deity" would not be worthy of or equal to GOD the heavenly Father. Perhaps GOD's heavenly abode has many back doors, like some Mormon abodes I've heard speak about.

Sure , there are plenty of beliefs/faiths/opinions that I will not suffer to consider. That is because I believe the Word of GOD (HIS BIBLE) and measure everything up to that divinely inspired standard. I do not presume that GOD allowed man to tear up and loose any portion of HIS WORD. And I certainly do not presume that GOD would contradict anything HE already had transcribed in HIS holy scriptures. And while He allowed portions of His Word to not be fully comprehended to this present day, I do not believe GOD would allow hereto unknown portions of His word to be buried and hidden away. Hide it under a bushel? NO!

GOD is a spirit. He is not a "man" in our created sense of that word. God the Son took on a human form to dwell among us and save us. And we exist for GOD's pleasure and not because we were spirit babies who wanted to prove our loyalty for our own vanity sake. This whole topic is not a laughing matter, It is very serious. Anyone who could believe that GOD has wives

Re: WE HAVE ONE (several?) HEAVENLY mother(s)

Posted: September 26th, 2019, 2:36 pm
by Valo
LittleNipper wrote: September 26th, 2019, 2:30 pm
Valo wrote: September 26th, 2019, 8:55 am
LittleNipper wrote: September 26th, 2019, 5:57 am GOD is ONE and beside HIM there are no others. All other considerations ARE PAGAN.
What your statement really means is this: You have a particular belief/faith/opinion. There are beliefs/faiths/opinions out there that are different from yours that you disagree with. Therefore, anything besides your opinion or what you believe is PAGAN.

Funny! :lol:

Valo
My beliefs are founded on the ROCK and not on some slippery slope. The biblical verses I've submitted ABOVE all truly indicate that there are NO OTHER GODS. This would include either male or female. I would like you to prove that GOD the Father begat spirit children without a "GOD MOTHER". And since there are no other GODS, such would seem out of the question. Or do you simply presume that any "female deity" would not be worthy of or equal to GOD the heavenly Father. Perhaps GOD's heavenly abode has many back doors, like some Mormon abodes I've heard speak about.

Sure , there are plenty of beliefs/faiths/opinions that I will not suffer to consider. That is because I believe the Word of GOD (HIS BIBLE) and measure everything up to that divinely inspired standard. I do not presume that GOD allowed man to tear up and loose any portion of HIS WORD. And I certainly do not presume that GOD would contradict anything HE already had transcribed in HIS holy scriptures. And while He allowed portions of His Word to not be fully comprehended to this present day, I do not believe GOD would allow hereto unknown portions of His word to be buried and hidden away. Hide it under a bushel? NO!

GOD is a spirit. He is not a "man" in our created sense of that word. God the Son took on a human form to dwell among us and save us. And we exist for GOD's pleasure and not because we were spirit babies who wanted to prove our loyalty for our own vanity sake. This whole topic is not a laughing matter, It is very serious. Anyone who could believe that GOD has wives
Hey, man, the issue here is you don't have any credibility with me for me to engage in a conversation with you.

From my perspective, you aren't being honest with your motivations. Further, you aren't honestly engaging in discussions either as you ignore the rules of rational discourse. I've determined that based on your posts that you are here to preach the truth to the Mormon heretics and their prostitute gods and goddesses. Yeah, not interested in your type! :lol:

Valo

Re: WE HAVE ONE (several?) HEAVENLY mother(s)

Posted: September 26th, 2019, 10:03 pm
by Silas
brianj wrote: September 25th, 2019, 10:21 pm
Silas wrote: September 25th, 2019, 6:06 am We have one Heavenly Mother. (++ We believe ++) our Heavenly Father has many wives though.
Fixed it for you. There's no doctrinal source to confirm Celestial polygamy, though a strong argument can be made for such. I believe it and have my reasons, others don't believe it and have their reasons, so we'll just have to wait and see.
The original stands. I don’t accept your edits. I’m obviously not representing what the Church Office Building has officially determined the correct doctrine to be.

If I’m not quoting someone then what I say is what I think. And Heavenly Father does have many wives. I don’t need a stamp of approval to recognize that. Brigham Young, Joseph F Smith, and other early brethren that I accept as prophets clearly taught that Heavenly Father (along with all who are exalted to the highest degree of glory in the Celestial Kingdom) practice plural marriage.

I don’t care if you don’t think that those prophets aren’t “doctrinal sources”.

Re: WE HAVE ONE (several?) HEAVENLY mother(s)

Posted: September 27th, 2019, 6:58 am
by LittleNipper
Valo wrote: September 26th, 2019, 2:36 pm
LittleNipper wrote: September 26th, 2019, 2:30 pm
Valo wrote: September 26th, 2019, 8:55 am
LittleNipper wrote: September 26th, 2019, 5:57 am GOD is ONE and beside HIM there are no others. All other considerations ARE PAGAN.
What your statement really means is this: You have a particular belief/faith/opinion. There are beliefs/faiths/opinions out there that are different from yours that you disagree with. Therefore, anything besides your opinion or what you believe is PAGAN.

Funny! :lol:

Valo
My beliefs are founded on the ROCK and not on some slippery slope. The biblical verses I've submitted ABOVE all truly indicate that there are NO OTHER GODS. This would include either male or female. I would like you to prove that GOD the Father begat spirit children without a "GOD MOTHER". And since there are no other GODS, such would seem out of the question. Or do you simply presume that any "female deity" would not be worthy of or equal to GOD the heavenly Father. Perhaps GOD's heavenly abode has many back doors, like some Mormon abodes I've heard speak about.

Sure , there are plenty of beliefs/faiths/opinions that I will not suffer to consider. That is because I believe the Word of GOD (HIS BIBLE) and measure everything up to that divinely inspired standard. I do not presume that GOD allowed man to tear up and loose any portion of HIS WORD. And I certainly do not presume that GOD would contradict anything HE already had transcribed in HIS holy scriptures. And while He allowed portions of His Word to not be fully comprehended to this present day, I do not believe GOD would allow hereto unknown portions of His word to be buried and hidden away. Hide it under a bushel? NO!

GOD is a spirit. He is not a "man" in our created sense of that word. God the Son took on a human form to dwell among us and save us. And we exist for GOD's pleasure and not because we were spirit babies who wanted to prove our loyalty for our own vanity sake. This whole topic is not a laughing matter, It is very serious. Anyone who could believe that GOD has wives
Hey, man, the issue here is you don't have any credibility with me for me to engage in a conversation with you.

From my perspective, you aren't being honest with your motivations. Further, you aren't honestly engaging in discussions either as you ignore the rules of rational discourse. I've determined that based on your posts that you are here to preach the truth to the Mormon heretics and their prostitute gods and goddesses. Yeah, not interested in your type! :lol:

Valo
Speak to me from the HOLY BIBLE. You shouldn't care what I imagine anymore than I should care for what you imagine ---- when it comes to what GOD says. You are the one who isn't being honest. You're not honest with me nor yourself. You want someone who agrees with you and your perspective, and for that you either need another Mormon or someone who is clueless regarding the Bible. You are not being logical. I've shown you how many verses that indicate GOD cannot possibly have a wife? Wives are co-equal with their husbands. They are not the creation of their husbands. How many Bible verses have you revealed that demonstrate the contrary? You are trying to prop up tales.

Re: WE HAVE ONE (several?) HEAVENLY mother(s)

Posted: September 27th, 2019, 7:15 am
by Valo
LittleNipper wrote: September 27th, 2019, 6:58 am
Valo wrote: September 26th, 2019, 2:36 pm
LittleNipper wrote: September 26th, 2019, 2:30 pm
Valo wrote: September 26th, 2019, 8:55 am

What your statement really means is this: You have a particular belief/faith/opinion. There are beliefs/faiths/opinions out there that are different from yours that you disagree with. Therefore, anything besides your opinion or what you believe is PAGAN.

Funny! :lol:

Valo
My beliefs are founded on the ROCK and not on some slippery slope. The biblical verses I've submitted ABOVE all truly indicate that there are NO OTHER GODS. This would include either male or female. I would like you to prove that GOD the Father begat spirit children without a "GOD MOTHER". And since there are no other GODS, such would seem out of the question. Or do you simply presume that any "female deity" would not be worthy of or equal to GOD the heavenly Father. Perhaps GOD's heavenly abode has many back doors, like some Mormon abodes I've heard speak about.

Sure , there are plenty of beliefs/faiths/opinions that I will not suffer to consider. That is because I believe the Word of GOD (HIS BIBLE) and measure everything up to that divinely inspired standard. I do not presume that GOD allowed man to tear up and loose any portion of HIS WORD. And I certainly do not presume that GOD would contradict anything HE already had transcribed in HIS holy scriptures. And while He allowed portions of His Word to not be fully comprehended to this present day, I do not believe GOD would allow hereto unknown portions of His word to be buried and hidden away. Hide it under a bushel? NO!

GOD is a spirit. He is not a "man" in our created sense of that word. God the Son took on a human form to dwell among us and save us. And we exist for GOD's pleasure and not because we were spirit babies who wanted to prove our loyalty for our own vanity sake. This whole topic is not a laughing matter, It is very serious. Anyone who could believe that GOD has wives
Hey, man, the issue here is you don't have any credibility with me for me to engage in a conversation with you.

From my perspective, you aren't being honest with your motivations. Further, you aren't honestly engaging in discussions either as you ignore the rules of rational discourse. I've determined that based on your posts that you are here to preach the truth to the Mormon heretics and their prostitute gods and goddesses. Yeah, not interested in your type! :lol:

Valo
Speak to me from the HOLY BIBLE. You shouldn't care what I imagine anymore than I should care for what you imagine ---- when it comes to what GOD says. You are the one who isn't being honest. You're not honest with me nor yourself. You want someone who agrees with you and your perspective, and for that you either need another Mormon or someone who is clueless regarding the Bible. You are not being logical. I've shown you how many verses that indicate GOD cannot possibly have a wife? Wives are co-equal with their husbands. They are not the creation of their husbands. How many Bible verses have you revealed that demonstrate the contrary? You are trying to prop up tales.
Ok.

Valo

Re: WE HAVE ONE (several?) HEAVENLY mother(s)

Posted: September 27th, 2019, 8:50 am
by Baurak Ale
LittleNipper wrote: September 27th, 2019, 6:58 am Speak to me from the HOLY BIBLE. You shouldn't care what I imagine anymore than I should care for what you imagine ---- when it comes to what GOD says. You are the one who isn't being honest. You're not honest with me nor yourself. You want someone who agrees with you and your perspective, and for that you either need another Mormon or someone who is clueless regarding the Bible. You are not being logical. I've shown you how many verses that indicate GOD cannot possibly have a wife? Wives are co-equal with their husbands. They are not the creation of their husbands. How many Bible verses have you revealed that demonstrate the contrary? You are trying to prop up tales.
LittleNipper, you are mistaken on your views on the Bible.

Many gods, including us, in the Bible:

  • "For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) but to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him" (1 Cor. 8:5-6).
  • "God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.... I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High" (Psalms 82:1,6).
  • "The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?" (John 10:33-36).
  • "Jesus Christ...washed us from our sins in his own blood, and hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen" (Revelation 1:5-6).
Wives are not entirely co-equal partners with their husbands, in the Bible:

  • "Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands.... For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands: Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord.... Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life" (1 Peter 3:1,5-7).
  • "But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.... [Man] is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.... Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord. For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God" (1 Cor 11:3, 7-9, 11).
Adam and Eve are archetypal of the divine God and his Goddess Wife and sustain New Testament teaching, in the Bible:

  • "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.... And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man" (Genesis 1:26-28; 2:22-23).

LittleNipper, you speak like many of my Calvanist friends who deride the notion of unbiblical "spirit babies." Truly, the mechanics of our origins before this life are elusive even if one includes extra-canonical sources (KoZ is right about spirit birth being unscriptural even from an expanded latter-day revelation point of view, though at the very least it is certainly through women that the souls of men are embodied [see D&C 132]); however, the Bible if taken alone is a witness to our divine nature before birth and our divine destiny after death. I would ask you, as other Calvanists, which translation of the Bible do you consider to be most accurate to the divine hand? (This question is applicable even if you aren't a Calvanist, though you are positively Baptist in your argumentation.) Did the King James translators finally get it right when they put it into the most correct language on earth (sarcasm)? Is English God's language? How about Hebrew? If Hebrew, you do know that Elohim is plural, right? How about the apocrypha? What constitutes divine writing? By what criteria do YOU judge what GOD's word is? The rulings of fourth-century councils of men? Who are they to judge and by extension how do you judge them?

If you insist on only accepting the Bible as the infallible word of God then you must answer these questions or I cannot understand your standard of scriptural exegesis. I am not being fecitious. Per the scriptures I have shared above, you clearly do not take a whollistic view of the Bible. If so, then how do you reconcile your understanding that husbands and wives are co-equal, which is not strictly Biblical, or that the Bible does not state that there are other gods though TO US there is but one whom we must recognize as God, our Father, which is also Biblical?

Re: WE HAVE ONE (several?) HEAVENLY mother(s)

Posted: September 27th, 2019, 7:39 pm
by LittleNipper
Baurak Ale wrote: September 27th, 2019, 8:50 am
LittleNipper wrote: September 27th, 2019, 6:58 am Speak to me from the HOLY BIBLE. You shouldn't care what I imagine anymore than I should care for what you imagine ---- when it comes to what GOD says. You are the one who isn't being honest. You're not honest with me nor yourself. You want someone who agrees with you and your perspective, and for that you either need another Mormon or someone who is clueless regarding the Bible. You are not being logical. I've shown you how many verses that indicate GOD cannot possibly have a wife? Wives are co-equal with their husbands. They are not the creation of their husbands. How many Bible verses have you revealed that demonstrate the contrary? You are trying to prop up tales.
LittleNipper, you are mistaken on your views on the Bible.

Many gods, including us, in the Bible:

  • "For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) but to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him" (1 Cor. 8:5-6).
  • "God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.... I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High" (Psalms 82:1,6).
  • "The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?" (John 10:33-36).
  • "Jesus Christ...washed us from our sins in his own blood, and hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen" (Revelation 1:5-6).
Wives are not entirely co-equal partners with their husbands, in the Bible:

  • "Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands.... For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands: Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord.... Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life" (1 Peter 3:1,5-7).
  • "But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.... [Man] is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.... Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord. For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God" (1 Cor 11:3, 7-9, 11).
Adam and Eve are archetypal of the divine God and his Goddess Wife and sustain New Testament teaching, in the Bible:

  • "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.... And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man" (Genesis 1:26-28; 2:22-23).

LittleNipper, you speak like many of my Calvanist friends who deride the notion of unbiblical "spirit babies." Truly, the mechanics of our origins before this life are elusive even if one includes extra-canonical sources (KoZ is right about spirit birth being unscriptural even from an expanded latter-day revelation point of view, though at the very least it is certainly through women that the souls of men are embodied [see D&C 132]); however, the Bible if taken alone is a witness to our divine nature before birth and our divine destiny after death. I would ask you, as other Calvanists, which translation of the Bible do you consider to be most accurate to the divine hand? (This question is applicable even if you aren't a Calvanist, though you are positively Baptist in your argumentation.) Did the King James translators finally get it right when they put it into the most correct language on earth (sarcasm)? Is English God's language? How about Hebrew? If Hebrew, you do know that Elohim is plural, right? How about the apocrypha? What constitutes divine writing? By what criteria do YOU judge what GOD's word is? The rulings of fourth-century councils of men? Who are they to judge and by extension how do you judge them?

If you insist on only accepting the Bible as the infallible word of God then you must answer these questions or I cannot understand your standard of scriptural exegesis. I am not being fecitious. Per the scriptures I have shared above, you clearly do not take a whollistic view of the Bible. If so, then how do you reconcile your understanding that husbands and wives are co-equal, which is not strictly Biblical, or that the Bible does not state that there are other gods though TO US there is but one whom we must recognize as God, our Father, which is also Biblical?
I cannot read Greek, Hebrew or Aramaic. That said, I depend on English translations of the original language. I can and do compare various translations, and read and compare various notes/explanations that have been provided. I also go to Bible studies, Sunday School, etc., and do ask question of my pastor at his office. I understand that GOD is an eternal being that exists in 3 co-equal parts. Together they are GOD and apart each is GOD, as they fully compliment and have exactly the very same goals and think alike. Jesus is a human manifestation of GOD who became human to be a sacrifice to provide the ONLY means of salvation for fallen mankind. Husbands and wives are fully equal; however, biblically each has a more specific role that they play. Women supports the man. Man protects the woman. Together they beget children and train them. Man cannot continue without woman and woman cannot continue without man. GOD created EVERYTHING that exists. GOD is not a manipulator of pre-existing materials. Satan exists because GOD made him; however, Satan was created by GOD with a mind and Satan decided that he wanted to be GOD. And the Bible clearly demonstrates that Satan cleverly tempted Adam & Eve with the very same notion --- to be as GOD. In other words, Satan told Adam and Eve that GOD was holding out on them, and to be like GOD they must reject what GOD told them not to do --- a just do it!

Re: WE HAVE ONE (several?) HEAVENLY mother(s)

Posted: September 27th, 2019, 7:56 pm
by LittleNipper
Baurak Ale wrote: September 27th, 2019, 8:50 am
LittleNipper wrote: September 27th, 2019, 6:58 am Speak to me from the HOLY BIBLE. You shouldn't care what I imagine anymore than I should care for what you imagine ---- when it comes to what GOD says. You are the one who isn't being honest. You're not honest with me nor yourself. You want someone who agrees with you and your perspective, and for that you either need another Mormon or someone who is clueless regarding the Bible. You are not being logical. I've shown you how many verses that indicate GOD cannot possibly have a wife? Wives are co-equal with their husbands. They are not the creation of their husbands. How many Bible verses have you revealed that demonstrate the contrary? You are trying to prop up tales.
LittleNipper, you are mistaken on your views on the Bible.

Many gods, including us, in the Bible:

  • "For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) but to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him" (1 Cor. 8:5-6).
  • "God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.... I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High" (Psalms 82:1,6).
  • "The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?" (John 10:33-36).
  • "Jesus Christ...washed us from our sins in his own blood, and hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen" (Revelation 1:5-6).
Wives are not entirely co-equal partners with their husbands, in the Bible:

  • "Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands.... For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands: Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord.... Likewise, ye husbands, dwell with them according to knowledge, giving honour unto the wife, as unto the weaker vessel, and as being heirs together of the grace of life" (1 Peter 3:1,5-7).
  • "But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.... [Man] is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.... Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord. For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God" (1 Cor 11:3, 7-9, 11).
Adam and Eve are archetypal of the divine God and his Goddess Wife and sustain New Testament teaching, in the Bible:

  • "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.... And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man. And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man" (Genesis 1:26-28; 2:22-23).

LittleNipper, you speak like many of my Calvanist friends who deride the notion of unbiblical "spirit babies." Truly, the mechanics of our origins before this life are elusive even if one includes extra-canonical sources (KoZ is right about spirit birth being unscriptural even from an expanded latter-day revelation point of view, though at the very least it is certainly through women that the souls of men are embodied [see D&C 132]); however, the Bible if taken alone is a witness to our divine nature before birth and our divine destiny after death. I would ask you, as other Calvanists, which translation of the Bible do you consider to be most accurate to the divine hand? (This question is applicable even if you aren't a Calvanist, though you are positively Baptist in your argumentation.) Did the King James translators finally get it right when they put it into the most correct language on earth (sarcasm)? Is English God's language? How about Hebrew? If Hebrew, you do know that Elohim is plural, right? How about the apocrypha? What constitutes divine writing? By what criteria do YOU judge what GOD's word is? The rulings of fourth-century councils of men? Who are they to judge and by extension how do you judge them?

If you insist on only accepting the Bible as the infallible word of God then you must answer these questions or I cannot understand your standard of scriptural exegesis. I am not being fecitious. Per the scriptures I have shared above, you clearly do not take a whollistic view of the Bible. If so, then how do you reconcile your understanding that husbands and wives are co-equal, which is not strictly Biblical, or that the Bible does not state that there are other gods though TO US there is but one whom we must recognize as God, our Father, which is also Biblical?
I cannot read Greek, Hebrew or Aramaic. That said, I depend on English translations of the original language. I can and do compare various translations, and read and compare various notes/explanations that have been provided. I also go to Bible studies, Sunday School, etc., and do ask questions of my pastor privately, as well as research various commentaries both in books and on the internet. I understand that GOD is an eternal being that exists in 3 co-equal parts. Together they are GOD and apart each is GOD, as they fully compliment and have exactly the very same goals and think alike. Jesus is a human manifestation of GOD being the CHRIST, who became human to be a sacrifice to provide the ONLY means of salvation for fallen mankind. The Holy Spirit is a driving force that creates, convicts, convinces and comforts. The Father is the director. Each has his role; however, unlike corporate pay scales, each is seen as absolute and necessary and not superior in any way.

Husbands and wives are fully equal; however, biblically each has a more specific role that they play. Women supports the man. Man protects the woman. Together they beget children and train them. Man cannot continue without woman and woman cannot continue without man.

GOD created EVERYTHING that exists. GOD is not a manipulator of pre-existing materials. Satan exists because GOD made him; however, Satan was created by GOD with a mind and Satan decided that he wanted to be GOD. And the Bible clearly demonstrates that Satan cleverly tempted Adam & Eve with the very same notion --- to be as GOD. In other words, Satan told Adam and Eve that GOD was holding out on them, and to be like GOD they must reject what GOD told them not to do --- a just do it!

Elohim demonstrates that GOD is a plurality. "Let US make man in OUR image." Jesus HIMSELF said, "If you have seen ME you have seen the Father." The Father is clearly invisible but it is Christ who assumes an image for the Father and the Holy Spirit.