LDS Freedom Forum

Posted: **September 20th, 2019, 5:47 pm**

The mystery is hidden in the following passages.

2Thessalonians 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

2Thessalonians 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Don't confuse yourselves with this group.

2Thessalonians 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

These are the persons of John chapter 17 that belonged to the Father in heaven that were given to Jesus. They are from above as Jesus is from above. The first part of the mystery of salvation is that the vast vast vast majority of people on earth are not of that group. Their path to salvation is different from the vast vast vast majority of humans than it is for that group. That group of persons know the truth and are not under the 'saving' power of the strong delusion. That is the second mystery. It is part of the mystery of iniquity. It is also the mystery of salvation by grace. The salvation by grace will only work if people do not know the truth. Once a person knows the truth then they are under the law. Salvation under the law has never been done away with. And yet right now we are under grace in this world. However, in the world to come we will be under the law when the following happens.

Revelation 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

Revelation 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments (LAW) of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

The messenger of Malachi 3:1 will be on this earth but people will not hear.

Isaiah 28:2 Behold, the Lord hath a mighty and strong one, which as a tempest of hail and a destroying storm, as a flood of mighty waters overflowing, shall cast down to the earth with the hand.

Isaiah 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.

Isaiah 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

Isaiah 28:11 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.

Isaiah 28:12 To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

Why won't they hear? Because they are under strong delusion. They are intoxicated with false teaching. This is the saving grace of salvation. When the angel preaches the gospel (the truth) to every single person on the earth the period of grace is over and the new period under the law begins. Then those, "all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness" are separated from those that hear the truth (the gospel) and, "Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.( Rev 22:14) So yes we are saved by grace because if this period of grace was not extended to us we would all fall short of the Kingdom of God. In the world to come, after the resurrection, we will not be the same as we are now. Our carnal nature will not cumber us
as it does now and we will be able to keep God's law if that is what we take pleasure in.

Posted: **September 20th, 2019, 6:54 pm**

Sorry, Mike. You have ZERO credibility with me, not that I expect you to lose any sleep over it. Show me your research that proves the church was established by Lucifer. I’ll wait.

Posted: **September 20th, 2019, 8:10 pm**

gangbusters wrote: ↑September 20th, 2019, 6:54 pm Sorry, Mike. You have ZERO credibility with me, not that I expect you to lose any sleep over it. Show me your research that proves the church was established by Lucifer. I’ll wait.

The Church of 1830 was not Luciferian. It was when the temple services were added that it became Luciferian. The temple is patterned after Masonry. Seven of the first nine to receive their endowments were Masons. If you think that is not important then you are deceiving yourself. If you think that Brigham Young stating that the Mormons having the true Masonry somehow absolves the issue then you are deceiving yourself. If you think that all the Masonry symbolism at the temples is just decoration then you do not understand the significance. Then there is this quote of Albert Pike in his book Morals and Dogma.

"That which we must say to the crowd is, we worship a god, but it is the god one adores without superstition. To you sovereign grand inspector general, we say this and you may repeat it to the brethren of the 32nd, 31st and 30th degrees - the Masonic religion should be by all of us initiates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the Luciferian doctrine. If Lucifer were not god, would Adonay (the God of the Christians) whose deeds prove cruelty, perfidy and hatred of man, barbarism and repulsion for science, would Adonay and His priests, calumniate Him? Yes, Lucifer is god, and unfortunately Adonay is also God, for the eternal law is that there is no light without shade, no beauty without ugliness, no white without black, for the absolute can only exist as two gods. Darkness being necessary for light to serve as its foil, as the pedestal is necessary to the statue, and the brake to the locomotive. Thus, the doctrine of Satanism is heresy, and the true and pure philosophical religion is the belief in Lucifer, the equal of Adonay, but Lucifer, god of light and god of good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay, the god of darkness and evil." - Albert Pike

Albert Pike was a high level Mason in this country. If you believe that all seven of the nine Masons that received the first endowment were oblivious to Lucifer being the God of the Masons then you are naive. And too that I can add that I personally know a widow whose husband when he made it to the 32nd degree came home from the ceremony in absolute fright and never went back. For years he refused to tell her why. Then one day he told her that "they worship Lucifer".

Then there is the in your face truth that should be obvious. Satan's plan was for man to not have agency. That is just about the first thing that an investigator is taught. What an investigator is not taught that the very last step is to go to the temple and surrender that agency by oath to the leader of the Church. Everything you are and everything you have is put under the authority of the Church. One can still exercise their agency against the wishes of the Church but it means breaking their oath.

Matthew 5:33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:

Matthew 5:34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:

Matthew 5:35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.

Matthew 5:36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.

Matthew 5:37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

Any time we swear an oath we are compromising our agency. That is antichrist. That is the way of Lucifer. In the world to come we are not bound by oath to keep the commandments of God. It is just that simple. We always have the agency to keep God's commandments. Going to the temple and swearing oaths is not God's way. It is the way of Lucifer.

Daniel 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

Daniel 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

Revelation 6:7 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.

Revelation 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse (beast): and his name that sat on him was Death (Satan), and Hell (false prophet) followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts (kingdoms) of the earth.

Horses are beast. Antichrist spirit kingdoms are beast. The four horses of Revelation 6 are beast kingdoms. A kingdom is a kingdom because it has a king. It is not really four different kingdoms. They are all the same kingdom. They are only said to be four kingdoms because there will be four kings. The kingdom itself is the kingdom of Israel or more specifically the kingdom of Ephraim and Manasseh because the name of Israel was named upon them when Jacob blessed them. Judah and the other tribes of Israel did not receive the blessing (curse) of the kingdom. The Antichrist comes from the lineage of Ephraim (but not in the forward direction, hint). The false prophet comes from the lineage of Ephraim. Jesus takes the kingdom from the Antichrist at the battle of Armageddon. Jesus then sets up his eternal kingdom. Put 2 and 2 together!

Posted: **September 20th, 2019, 9:53 pm**

Michael, this is interesting.

Can you say, though, if the apostles and prophet are aware of this?

It is strange that you make an oath in the temple BEFORE the terms are laid out. That is like a secret combination initiation. That pattern happened with Cain and Akish did it in Ether 8.

Posted: **September 20th, 2019, 10:23 pm**

Chip wrote: ↑September 20th, 2019, 9:53 pm Michael, this is interesting.

Can you say, though, if the apostles and prophet are aware of this?

It is strange that you make an oath in the temple BEFORE the terms are laid out. That is like a secret combination initiation. That pattern happened with Cain and Akish did it in Ether 8.

The Spirit has not made known to me anything about the current "prophet" or apostles and what they know. I would be very surprised though if one could rise that high in the Church and not know. Masons do not know until they reach the 32nd degree. At that time many Masons leave. Is there a pattern of LDS leaving their positions at any point along the way? If not then maybe they do not know.

Behold, is there not an account concerning them of old, that they by their secret plans did obtain kingdoms and great glory?

15 And it came to pass that thus they did agree with Akish. And Akish did administer unto them the oaths which were given by them of old who also sought power, which had been handed down even from Cain, who was a murderer from the beginning.

16 And they were kept up by the power of the devil to administer these oaths unto the people, to keep them in darkness, to help such as sought power to gain power, and to murder, and to plunder, and to lie, and to commit all manner of wickedness and whoredoms.

17 And it was the daughter of Jared who put it into his heart to search up these things of old; and Jared put it into the heart of Akish; wherefore, Akish administered it unto his kindred and friends, leading them away by fair promises to do whatsoever thing he desired.

18 And it came to pass that they formed a secret combination, even as they of old; which combination is most abominable and wicked above all, in the sight of God;

19 For the Lord worketh not in secret combinations, neither doth he will that man should shed blood, but in all things hath forbidden it, from the beginning of man.

Matthew 5:33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:

Matthew 5:34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:

Matthew 5:35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.

Matthew 5:36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.

Matthew 5:37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

I was thinking that "cometh of evil" meant cometh of the devil. So yes oaths cometh of the devil and is no part of the Father's plan.

Posted: **September 21st, 2019, 12:15 am**

In the last few years, I have become increasingly sensitive to how the church never misses an opportunity, while teaching scriptures, to entrain people into regarding the church as an indispensible component in their relationship to God. In some cases, it feels like the scriptures are just being exploited as a framework into which relentless plugs for the church are inserted. It's more about church, authority, special ordinances, and leaders, than Christ and God, it seems. I just have a sneaking suspicion that something may be fundamentally wrong. They've pretty well scared the curiosity out of members, so any discussion about these things is not welcome.

What church would even need to tell members NOT to listen to ex-members? That's like a CEO warning his employees to not listen to ex-employees, as if there is some common toxicity among them that is best left undefined for everyone's well-being.

My gut analysis about the state of the church is that it's led by some of the best men in the world who seek inspiration from God to run the church, but they maybe/probably do not have the commission from God that they believe, because they do priestcrafty stuff to entrain the members. Seems to me, anyway.

I, too, have wildly wondered if the whole phenomenon might be "strong delusion".

Posted: **September 21st, 2019, 1:41 am**

Chip wrote: ↑September 21st, 2019, 12:15 am In the last few years, I have become increasingly sensitive to how the church never misses an opportunity, while teaching scriptures, to entrain people into regarding the church as an indispensible component in their relationship to God. In some cases, it feels like the scriptures are just being exploited as a framework into which relentless plugs for the church are inserted. It's more about church, authority, special ordinances, and leaders, than Christ and God, it seems. I just have a sneaking suspicion that something may be fundamentally wrong. They've pretty well scared the curiosity out of members, so any discussion about these things is not welcome.

What church would even need to tell members NOT to listen to ex-members? That's like a CEO warning his employees to not listen to ex-employees, as if there is some common toxicity among them that is best left undefined for everyone's well-being.

My gut analysis about the state of the church is that it's led by some of the best men in the world who seek inspiration from God to run the church, but they maybe/probably do not have the commission from God that they believe, because they do priestcrafty stuff to entrain the members. Seems to me, anyway.

I, too, have wildly wondered if the whole phenomenon might be "strong delusion".

I would say that you are very perceptive. Maybe even hearing from the Spirit's small voice! But only you can judge that. Keep searching for truth.

Posted: **September 21st, 2019, 8:39 am**

Michael Sherwin wrote: ↑September 20th, 2019, 8:10 pm
gangbusters wrote: ↑September 20th, 2019, 6:54 pm Sorry, Mike. You have ZERO credibility with me, not that I expect you to lose any sleep over it. Show me your research that proves the church was established by Lucifer. I’ll wait.
The Church of 1830 was not Luciferian. It was when the temple services were added that it became Luciferian. The temple is patterned after Masonry. Seven of the first nine to receive their endowments were Masons. If you think that is not important then you are deceiving yourself. If you think that Brigham Young stating that the Mormons having the true Masonry somehow absolves the issue then you are deceiving yourself. If you think that all the Masonry symbolism at the temples is just decoration then you do not understand the significance. Then there is this quote of Albert Pike in his book Morals and Dogma.

"That which we must say to the crowd is, we worship a god, but it is the god one adores without superstition. To you sovereign grand inspector general, we say this and you may repeat it to the brethren of the 32nd, 31st and 30th degrees - the Masonic religion should be by all of us initiates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the Luciferian doctrine. If Lucifer were not god, would Adonay (the God of the Christians) whose deeds prove cruelty, perfidy and hatred of man, barbarism and repulsion for science, would Adonay and His priests, calumniate Him? Yes, Lucifer is god, and unfortunately Adonay is also God, for the eternal law is that there is no light without shade, no beauty without ugliness, no white without black, for the absolute can only exist as two gods. Darkness being necessary for light to serve as its foil, as the pedestal is necessary to the statue, and the brake to the locomotive. Thus, the doctrine of Satanism is heresy, and the true and pure philosophical religion is the belief in Lucifer, the equal of Adonay, but Lucifer, god of light and god of good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay, the god of darkness and evil." - Albert Pike

Albert Pike was a high level Mason in this country. If you believe that all seven of the nine Masons that received the first endowment were oblivious to Lucifer being the God of the Masons then you are naive. And too that I can add that I personally know a widow whose husband when he made it to the 32nd degree came home from the ceremony in absolute fright and never went back. For years he refused to tell her why. Then one day he told her that "they worship Lucifer".

Then there is the in your face truth that should be obvious. Satan's plan was for man to not have agency. That is just about the first thing that an investigator is taught. What an investigator is not taught that the very last step is to go to the temple and surrender that agency by oath to the leader of the Church. Everything you are and everything you have is put under the authority of the Church. One can still exercise their agency against the wishes of the Church but it means breaking their oath.

Matthew 5:33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:

Matthew 5:34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:

Matthew 5:35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.

Matthew 5:36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.

Matthew 5:37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

Any time we swear an oath we are compromising our agency. That is antichrist. That is the way of Lucifer. In the world to come we are not bound by oath to keep the commandments of God. It is just that simple. We always have the agency to keep God's commandments. Going to the temple and swearing oaths is not God's way. It is the way of Lucifer.

Daniel 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

Daniel 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

Revelation 6:7 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.

Revelation 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse (beast): and his name that sat on him was Death (Satan), and Hell (false prophet) followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts (kingdoms) of the earth.

Horses are beast. Antichrist spirit kingdoms are beast. The four horses of Revelation 6 are beast kingdoms. A kingdom is a kingdom because it has a king. It is not really four different kingdoms. They are all the same kingdom. They are only said to be four kingdoms because there will be four kings. The kingdom itself is the kingdom of Israel or more specifically the kingdom of Ephraim and Manasseh because the name of Israel was named upon them when Jacob blessed them. Judah and the other tribes of Israel did not receive the blessing (curse) of the kingdom. The Antichrist comes from the lineage of Ephraim (but not in the forward direction, hint). The false prophet comes from the lineage of Ephraim. Jesus takes the kingdom from the Antichrist at the battle of Armageddon. Jesus then sets up his eternal kingdom. Put 2 and 2 together!

My communication with you ought to be yea yea or nay nay, per the context of the verses you quoted in Matthew, for you are an accuser of the brethren claiming to know the way to truth and salvation and stating that the leaders of the church are out of the way. You twist the words of the scriptures to suit your views, claiming that God ever used a beast to represent his kingdom even when his people were in transgression. You are free to believe as you please, but you manifest the fruits of apostasy and don’t understand the scriptures.

The Lord spoke truly, in times of old one should not forswear themselves but to the Lord! This truth is more stringent than ever, and in the HOUSE OF THE LORD one covenants with an oath to WHOM? Not to man, but to God. Should we be upset that the covenants there are administered by someone representing God? His house is a house of order and he often uses representatives (i.e. the prophets) when interacting with his children. If anyone who goes through the ordinances of his holy house think they are making covenants with a man, then they need to clean their ears and listen up.

Zechariah knew that God is a God of covenant, the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow:

“Remember his holy covenant; the oath which he sware to our father Abraham, that he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear, in holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life” (Luke 1:72-75).

It is the false teaching of the devil that has infiltrated many secret circles to say that Lucifer is God. The devil has been propositioning this from the beginning, first with our first parents, thence on to Cain, Moses, etc. It would be naïve for us to believe that the presence of this teaching would come in a full shade of black. Even Albert Pike is essentially quoting Lehi’s masterful discourse on opposition in all things, which is truth, but mingles it with the philosophies of men (or the devil). This is how Satan works. He wants all to be guilty by association for he has his fingers in all things in this world—he claims the whole of it! Joseph Smith became a mason and instantly saw right through it. He took the truth and separated it from the chaff of man. Satan desires the throne of God. The boy prophet threw him off. Now I can make a holy covenant or oath just as Abraham. An oath to do what? To serve him all my days.

There is life in this. Yea, I have come to know God, and his son whom he has sent, through the ordinances of the house of the Lord given through the prophet Joseph Smith.

My experience is very different than yours, Mr. Sherwin. The devil has at times ranted at me, but that feeling came in opposition to the nearness I was experiencing with God. When something hasn’t been of God, there has been a stupor, but not violence of feeling. When I went through the temple for the first time I kept asking my earthly father, for he was beside me as my escort, “When have I done this before? It is all as familiar to me as the walk back to home I have not been to in a long time.” Every gesture and word was known to me, as if coming back to my memory, as I passed through those things for the first time.

I do not leave that testimony with you in my own name, but in the name of the Lord Jesus, for it is true. Whatever invites and entices to believe in Christ is good and of God. Do not judge that which is true and of God to be false and of the devil.

From here on out, Mr. Sherwin, my communication with you will be yea yea or nay nay, for my testimony has been set.

Posted: **September 21st, 2019, 9:22 am**

Nonsense...Michael. Salvation is the greatest mystery of Salvation. Honestly. ...try reading scripture with sum humility. Let go of yourself, brother.

The church, imo, falters (inpart) cuz we are obsessed with brick&mortar...and the way we are perceived by the world.

I once said Nelson has nothing to do with me going to church, to which came replies "of course has everything to do with you going to church, cuz he funds the building,blah,blah etc."

As if i need a building to go to church lol, as if I need a tabernacle to get to the Highest when I already reside in one. The world is born inside of us............not outside of us.
IMO, this is what Jesus was trying to teach a people who were just like us.

I believe Nelson sees this too...though I'm a lil more zealous in this than he is, on account of him having a life time of tradition that gets in the way, IMO, as most modern Mormons do.

“One question we’ve wrestled with,” President Nelson said, “is how to take the gospel in its simple purity and the ordinances with their eternal efficacy to all of God’s children without having basketball hoops get in the way. We are accustomed to a church that is supported at home but accomplished in the chapels. We need a complete turnaround, where we have a home-centered church supported by what takes place inside our buildings. The only buildings that are absolutely essential are temples. Stake centers and chapels are a luxury.”

“This imbalance is on our worry list—high on the list. One Muslim man said it this way, ‘When your Christianity is simple enough that I can take it on the back of a camel, I will be interested.’ Faith, repentance, baptism, the endowment, and the sealing ordinance are essential. Everything you’ll see happening in the Church from this point forward will be in that direction.” —President Nelson

Posted: **September 21st, 2019, 11:31 am**

Baurak Ale wrote: ↑September 21st, 2019, 8:39 am
Michael Sherwin wrote: ↑September 20th, 2019, 8:10 pm
gangbusters wrote: ↑September 20th, 2019, 6:54 pm Sorry, Mike. You have ZERO credibility with me, not that I expect you to lose any sleep over it. Show me your research that proves the church was established by Lucifer. I’ll wait.
The Church of 1830 was not Luciferian. It was when the temple services were added that it became Luciferian. The temple is patterned after Masonry. Seven of the first nine to receive their endowments were Masons. If you think that is not important then you are deceiving yourself. If you think that Brigham Young stating that the Mormons having the true Masonry somehow absolves the issue then you are deceiving yourself. If you think that all the Masonry symbolism at the temples is just decoration then you do not understand the significance. Then there is this quote of Albert Pike in his book Morals and Dogma.

"That which we must say to the crowd is, we worship a god, but it is the god one adores without superstition. To you sovereign grand inspector general, we say this and you may repeat it to the brethren of the 32nd, 31st and 30th degrees - the Masonic religion should be by all of us initiates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the Luciferian doctrine. If Lucifer were not god, would Adonay (the God of the Christians) whose deeds prove cruelty, perfidy and hatred of man, barbarism and repulsion for science, would Adonay and His priests, calumniate Him? Yes, Lucifer is god, and unfortunately Adonay is also God, for the eternal law is that there is no light without shade, no beauty without ugliness, no white without black, for the absolute can only exist as two gods. Darkness being necessary for light to serve as its foil, as the pedestal is necessary to the statue, and the brake to the locomotive. Thus, the doctrine of Satanism is heresy, and the true and pure philosophical religion is the belief in Lucifer, the equal of Adonay, but Lucifer, god of light and god of good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay, the god of darkness and evil." - Albert Pike

Albert Pike was a high level Mason in this country. If you believe that all seven of the nine Masons that received the first endowment were oblivious to Lucifer being the God of the Masons then you are naive. And too that I can add that I personally know a widow whose husband when he made it to the 32nd degree came home from the ceremony in absolute fright and never went back. For years he refused to tell her why. Then one day he told her that "they worship Lucifer".

Then there is the in your face truth that should be obvious. Satan's plan was for man to not have agency. That is just about the first thing that an investigator is taught. What an investigator is not taught that the very last step is to go to the temple and surrender that agency by oath to the leader of the Church. Everything you are and everything you have is put under the authority of the Church. One can still exercise their agency against the wishes of the Church but it means breaking their oath.

Matthew 5:33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:

Matthew 5:34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:

Matthew 5:35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.

Matthew 5:36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.

Matthew 5:37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

Any time we swear an oath we are compromising our agency. That is antichrist. That is the way of Lucifer. In the world to come we are not bound by oath to keep the commandments of God. It is just that simple. We always have the agency to keep God's commandments. Going to the temple and swearing oaths is not God's way. It is the way of Lucifer.

Daniel 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

Daniel 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

Revelation 6:7 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.

Revelation 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse (beast): and his name that sat on him was Death (Satan), and Hell (false prophet) followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts (kingdoms) of the earth.

Horses are beast. Antichrist spirit kingdoms are beast. The four horses of Revelation 6 are beast kingdoms. A kingdom is a kingdom because it has a king. It is not really four different kingdoms. They are all the same kingdom. They are only said to be four kingdoms because there will be four kings. The kingdom itself is the kingdom of Israel or more specifically the kingdom of Ephraim and Manasseh because the name of Israel was named upon them when Jacob blessed them. Judah and the other tribes of Israel did not receive the blessing (curse) of the kingdom. The Antichrist comes from the lineage of Ephraim (but not in the forward direction, hint). The false prophet comes from the lineage of Ephraim. Jesus takes the kingdom from the Antichrist at the battle of Armageddon. Jesus then sets up his eternal kingdom. Put 2 and 2 together!
My communication with you ought to be yea yea or nay nay, per the context of the verses you quoted in Matthew, for you are an accuser of the brethren claiming to know the way to truth and salvation and stating that the leaders of the church are out of the way. You twist the words of the scriptures to suit your views, claiming that God ever used a beast to represent his kingdom even when his people were in transgression. You are free to believe as you please, but you manifest the fruits of apostasy and don’t understand the scriptures.

The Lord spoke truly, in times of old one should not forswear themselves but to the Lord! This truth is more stringent than ever, and in the HOUSE OF THE LORD one covenants with an oath to WHOM? Not to man, but to God. Should we be upset that the covenants there are administered by someone representing God? His house is a house of order and he often uses representatives (i.e. the prophets) when interacting with his children. If anyone who goes through the ordinances of his holy house think they are making covenants with a man, then they need to clean their ears and listen up.

Zechariah knew that God is a God of covenant, the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow:

“Remember his holy covenant; the oath which he sware to our father Abraham, that he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear, in holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life” (Luke 1:72-75).

It is the false teaching of the devil that has infiltrated many secret circles to say that Lucifer is God. The devil has been propositioning this from the beginning, first with our first parents, thence on to Cain, Moses, etc. It would be naïve for us to believe that the presence of this teaching would come in a full shade of black. Even Albert Pike is essentially quoting Lehi’s masterful discourse on opposition in all things, which is truth, but mingles it with the philosophies of men (or the devil). This is how Satan works. He wants all to be guilty by association for he has his fingers in all things in this world—he claims the whole of it! Joseph Smith became a mason and instantly saw right through it. He took the truth and separated it from the chaff of man. Satan desires the throne of God. The boy prophet threw him off. Now I can make a holy covenant or oath just as Abraham. An oath to do what? To serve him all my days.

There is life in this. Yea, I have come to know God, and his son whom he has sent, through the ordinances of the house of the Lord given through the prophet Joseph Smith.

My experience is very different than yours, Mr. Sherwin. The devil has at times ranted at me, but that feeling came in opposition to the nearness I was experiencing with God. When something hasn’t been of God, there has been a stupor, but not violence of feeling. When I went through the temple for the first time I kept asking my earthly father, for he was beside me as my escort, “When have I done this before? It is all as familiar to me as the walk back to home I have not been to in a long time.” Every gesture and word was known to me, as if coming back to my memory, as I passed through those things for the first time.

I do not leave that testimony with you in my own name, but in the name of the Lord Jesus, for it is true. Whatever invites and entices to believe in Christ is good and of God. Do not judge that which is true and of God to be false and of the devil.

From here on out, Mr. Sherwin, my communication with you will be yea yea or nay nay, for my testimony has been set.

yea nay yea___yea yea___nay yea yea___yea yea___nay yea nay yea___yea yea nay___yea nay yea yea___nay nay nay___yea yea nay___yea yea yea

Posted: **September 21st, 2019, 11:40 am**

nightlight wrote: ↑September 21st, 2019, 9:22 am Nonsense...Michael. Salvation is the greatest mystery of Salvation. Honestly. ...try reading scripture with sum humility.

I'm adding scripture up just fine, ty!

Posted: **September 21st, 2019, 4:38 pm**

I was going to do this earlier, but something stayed my hand then. Instead, I asked those on this board to pray for you. Now, those prayers shall come to fruition, and my hand shall not be stayed.

"In the name of the Almighty Father; in the name of the Son, Jesus Christ; and in the name of the Holy Ghost: I hereby say unto you, Michael Sherwin... Be thou cleansed!

When thou dost read these words let all unclean spirits that dwell within thee quake and tremble, for I rebuke them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost; and command them to depart from thee, and henceforth never return unto thine mind."

"AMEN."

Posted: **September 21st, 2019, 7:40 pm**

Well, did anything happen?

Posted: **September 21st, 2019, 10:40 pm**

Michael Sherwin wrote: ↑September 21st, 2019, 11:40 am
nightlight wrote: ↑September 21st, 2019, 9:22 am Nonsense...Michael. Salvation is the greatest mystery of Salvation. Honestly. ...try reading scripture with sum humility.
I'm adding scripture up just fine, ty!

Whoda thunk yellow and green are flying colors of the highest order.

Mighty duck , but not happy hippo

(gbng)x2 and hippo too.

Posted: **September 21st, 2019, 11:32 pm**

Man, we've got apostates, prophets, and poets here, all at once. Is everyone ready for church tomorrow?

Posted: **September 22nd, 2019, 12:04 am**

Durzan wrote: ↑September 21st, 2019, 4:38 pm I was going to do this earlier, but something stayed my hand then. Instead, I asked those on this board to pray for you. Now, those prayers shall come to fruition, and my hand shall not be stayed.

"In the name of the Almighty Father; in the name of the Son, Jesus Christ; and in the name of the Holy Ghost: I hereby say unto you, Michael Sherwin... Be thou cleansed!

When thou dost read these words let all unclean spirits that dwell within thee quake and tremble, for I rebuke them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost; and command them to depart from thee, and henceforth never return unto thine mind."

"AMEN."

Physician, heal thyself.

Posted: **September 22nd, 2019, 12:32 am**

Durzan wrote: ↑September 21st, 2019, 4:38 pm I was going to do this earlier, but something stayed my hand then. Instead, I asked those on this board to pray for you. Now, those prayers shall come to fruition, and my hand shall not be stayed.

"In the name of the Almighty Father; in the name of the Son, Jesus Christ; and in the name of the Holy Ghost: I hereby say unto you, Michael Sherwin... Be thou cleansed!

When thou dost read these words let all unclean spirits that dwell within thee quake and tremble, for I rebuke them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost; and command them to depart from thee, and henceforth never return unto thine mind."

"AMEN."

I appreciate the thought but Jesus has that covered. A refresher on my PB.
God has guided you to this place in your life
one who has received deep understanding
You and the Savior discussed your life many times before your birth
You have the Savior's promise that His angels will be around you to protect and aid you
I bless you to increase your faith to become mighty and strong
God expects you to gather Israel, the living and the dead
You and the Savior planned for the work you would do to prepare for His coming
Before you were born, Michael, you and Jesus discussed the awful problems which would be in the world, the awful dilemmas which the devil would promote to make people miserable
You will not be alone; His angels will be all around you, and he will give you the very words
You will learn that there is very much work that you can do because of your unique position that others cannot
trusting the strength which Jesus will give you to succeed in this most important of all endeavors
You are fortunate now to know who the devil is, where he came from, how miserable he is, and why he seeks misery for others
You will be an example of righteousness
You and Jesus are brothers and great friends
to come ever closer to Jesus sensing the friendship you had with Him before you were born
You and He will have a glorious reunion in the Glorious day of His coming, when he will crown you with glory

Posted: **September 22nd, 2019, 12:42 am**

God expects you to gather Israel, the living and the dead.

Michael, what do you make of this? Do you believe it or think it's wrapped up in Masonic intrigues?

Posted: **September 22nd, 2019, 1:52 am**

Original_Intent wrote: ↑September 22nd, 2019, 12:04 am
Durzan wrote: ↑September 21st, 2019, 4:38 pm I was going to do this earlier, but something stayed my hand then. Instead, I asked those on this board to pray for you. Now, those prayers shall come to fruition, and my hand shall not be stayed.

"In the name of the Almighty Father; in the name of the Son, Jesus Christ; and in the name of the Holy Ghost: I hereby say unto you, Michael Sherwin... Be thou cleansed!

When thou dost read these words let all unclean spirits that dwell within thee quake and tremble, for I rebuke them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost; and command them to depart from thee, and henceforth never return unto thine mind."

"AMEN."
Physician, heal thyself.

It is not by mine own hand that I would be healed, but by God's.

Posted: **September 22nd, 2019, 2:16 am**

Chip wrote: ↑September 22nd, 2019, 12:42 am
God expects you to gather Israel, the living and the dead.
Michael, what do you make of this? Do you believe it or think it's wrapped up in Masonic intrigues?

Right now all I have is "a story" and a lifetime of revelations from "the Spirit" that not one of them has ever been false. So I know but I don't KNOW. I don't KNOW because the source of my story and the revelations has never identified itself. Alaris (and others I'm sure) think the source is the devil. When I analyse all the data points it does not seem all to be within the devil's power. If you want to read about my story then look here. viewtopic.php?f=10&t=51962 Because my story and my PB are in complete harmony I do tend toward believing it. Thanks for asking!

Posted: **September 22nd, 2019, 7:37 am**

Michael Sherwin wrote: ↑September 21st, 2019, 11:31 am
Baurak Ale wrote: ↑September 21st, 2019, 8:39 am
Michael Sherwin wrote: ↑September 20th, 2019, 8:10 pm
gangbusters wrote: ↑September 20th, 2019, 6:54 pm Sorry, Mike. You have ZERO credibility with me, not that I expect you to lose any sleep over it. Show me your research that proves the church was established by Lucifer. I’ll wait.
The Church of 1830 was not Luciferian. It was when the temple services were added that it became Luciferian. The temple is patterned after Masonry. Seven of the first nine to receive their endowments were Masons. If you think that is not important then you are deceiving yourself. If you think that Brigham Young stating that the Mormons having the true Masonry somehow absolves the issue then you are deceiving yourself. If you think that all the Masonry symbolism at the temples is just decoration then you do not understand the significance. Then there is this quote of Albert Pike in his book Morals and Dogma.

"That which we must say to the crowd is, we worship a god, but it is the god one adores without superstition. To you sovereign grand inspector general, we say this and you may repeat it to the brethren of the 32nd, 31st and 30th degrees - the Masonic religion should be by all of us initiates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the Luciferian doctrine. If Lucifer were not god, would Adonay (the God of the Christians) whose deeds prove cruelty, perfidy and hatred of man, barbarism and repulsion for science, would Adonay and His priests, calumniate Him? Yes, Lucifer is god, and unfortunately Adonay is also God, for the eternal law is that there is no light without shade, no beauty without ugliness, no white without black, for the absolute can only exist as two gods. Darkness being necessary for light to serve as its foil, as the pedestal is necessary to the statue, and the brake to the locomotive. Thus, the doctrine of Satanism is heresy, and the true and pure philosophical religion is the belief in Lucifer, the equal of Adonay, but Lucifer, god of light and god of good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay, the god of darkness and evil." - Albert Pike

Albert Pike was a high level Mason in this country. If you believe that all seven of the nine Masons that received the first endowment were oblivious to Lucifer being the God of the Masons then you are naive. And too that I can add that I personally know a widow whose husband when he made it to the 32nd degree came home from the ceremony in absolute fright and never went back. For years he refused to tell her why. Then one day he told her that "they worship Lucifer".

Then there is the in your face truth that should be obvious. Satan's plan was for man to not have agency. That is just about the first thing that an investigator is taught. What an investigator is not taught that the very last step is to go to the temple and surrender that agency by oath to the leader of the Church. Everything you are and everything you have is put under the authority of the Church. One can still exercise their agency against the wishes of the Church but it means breaking their oath.

Matthew 5:33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:

Matthew 5:34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:

Matthew 5:35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.

Matthew 5:36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.

Matthew 5:37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

Any time we swear an oath we are compromising our agency. That is antichrist. That is the way of Lucifer. In the world to come we are not bound by oath to keep the commandments of God. It is just that simple. We always have the agency to keep God's commandments. Going to the temple and swearing oaths is not God's way. It is the way of Lucifer.

Daniel 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

Daniel 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

Revelation 6:7 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.

Revelation 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse (beast): and his name that sat on him was Death (Satan), and Hell (false prophet) followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts (kingdoms) of the earth.

Horses are beast. Antichrist spirit kingdoms are beast. The four horses of Revelation 6 are beast kingdoms. A kingdom is a kingdom because it has a king. It is not really four different kingdoms. They are all the same kingdom. They are only said to be four kingdoms because there will be four kings. The kingdom itself is the kingdom of Israel or more specifically the kingdom of Ephraim and Manasseh because the name of Israel was named upon them when Jacob blessed them. Judah and the other tribes of Israel did not receive the blessing (curse) of the kingdom. The Antichrist comes from the lineage of Ephraim (but not in the forward direction, hint). The false prophet comes from the lineage of Ephraim. Jesus takes the kingdom from the Antichrist at the battle of Armageddon. Jesus then sets up his eternal kingdom. Put 2 and 2 together!
My communication with you ought to be yea yea or nay nay, per the context of the verses you quoted in Matthew, for you are an accuser of the brethren claiming to know the way to truth and salvation and stating that the leaders of the church are out of the way. You twist the words of the scriptures to suit your views, claiming that God ever used a beast to represent his kingdom even when his people were in transgression. You are free to believe as you please, but you manifest the fruits of apostasy and don’t understand the scriptures.

The Lord spoke truly, in times of old one should not forswear themselves but to the Lord! This truth is more stringent than ever, and in the HOUSE OF THE LORD one covenants with an oath to WHOM? Not to man, but to God. Should we be upset that the covenants there are administered by someone representing God? His house is a house of order and he often uses representatives (i.e. the prophets) when interacting with his children. If anyone who goes through the ordinances of his holy house think they are making covenants with a man, then they need to clean their ears and listen up.

Zechariah knew that God is a God of covenant, the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow:

“Remember his holy covenant; the oath which he sware to our father Abraham, that he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear, in holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life” (Luke 1:72-75).

It is the false teaching of the devil that has infiltrated many secret circles to say that Lucifer is God. The devil has been propositioning this from the beginning, first with our first parents, thence on to Cain, Moses, etc. It would be naïve for us to believe that the presence of this teaching would come in a full shade of black. Even Albert Pike is essentially quoting Lehi’s masterful discourse on opposition in all things, which is truth, but mingles it with the philosophies of men (or the devil). This is how Satan works. He wants all to be guilty by association for he has his fingers in all things in this world—he claims the whole of it! Joseph Smith became a mason and instantly saw right through it. He took the truth and separated it from the chaff of man. Satan desires the throne of God. The boy prophet threw him off. Now I can make a holy covenant or oath just as Abraham. An oath to do what? To serve him all my days.

There is life in this. Yea, I have come to know God, and his son whom he has sent, through the ordinances of the house of the Lord given through the prophet Joseph Smith.

My experience is very different than yours, Mr. Sherwin. The devil has at times ranted at me, but that feeling came in opposition to the nearness I was experiencing with God. When something hasn’t been of God, there has been a stupor, but not violence of feeling. When I went through the temple for the first time I kept asking my earthly father, for he was beside me as my escort, “When have I done this before? It is all as familiar to me as the walk back to home I have not been to in a long time.” Every gesture and word was known to me, as if coming back to my memory, as I passed through those things for the first time.

I do not leave that testimony with you in my own name, but in the name of the Lord Jesus, for it is true. Whatever invites and entices to believe in Christ is good and of God. Do not judge that which is true and of God to be false and of the devil.

From here on out, Mr. Sherwin, my communication with you will be yea yea or nay nay, for my testimony has been set.
yea nay yea___yea yea___nay yea yea___yea yea___nay yea nay yea___yea yea nay___yea nay yea yea___nay nay nay___yea yea nay___yea yea yea

Has a babbling idiot come among us... ?

Posted: **September 22nd, 2019, 10:07 am**

Kingdom of ZION wrote: ↑September 22nd, 2019, 7:37 am
Michael Sherwin wrote: ↑September 21st, 2019, 11:31 am
Baurak Ale wrote: ↑September 21st, 2019, 8:39 am
Michael Sherwin wrote: ↑September 20th, 2019, 8:10 pm

The Church of 1830 was not Luciferian. It was when the temple services were added that it became Luciferian. The temple is patterned after Masonry. Seven of the first nine to receive their endowments were Masons. If you think that is not important then you are deceiving yourself. If you think that Brigham Young stating that the Mormons having the true Masonry somehow absolves the issue then you are deceiving yourself. If you think that all the Masonry symbolism at the temples is just decoration then you do not understand the significance. Then there is this quote of Albert Pike in his book Morals and Dogma.

"That which we must say to the crowd is, we worship a god, but it is the god one adores without superstition. To you sovereign grand inspector general, we say this and you may repeat it to the brethren of the 32nd, 31st and 30th degrees - the Masonic religion should be by all of us initiates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the Luciferian doctrine. If Lucifer were not god, would Adonay (the God of the Christians) whose deeds prove cruelty, perfidy and hatred of man, barbarism and repulsion for science, would Adonay and His priests, calumniate Him? Yes, Lucifer is god, and unfortunately Adonay is also God, for the eternal law is that there is no light without shade, no beauty without ugliness, no white without black, for the absolute can only exist as two gods. Darkness being necessary for light to serve as its foil, as the pedestal is necessary to the statue, and the brake to the locomotive. Thus, the doctrine of Satanism is heresy, and the true and pure philosophical religion is the belief in Lucifer, the equal of Adonay, but Lucifer, god of light and god of good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay, the god of darkness and evil." - Albert Pike

Albert Pike was a high level Mason in this country. If you believe that all seven of the nine Masons that received the first endowment were oblivious to Lucifer being the God of the Masons then you are naive. And too that I can add that I personally know a widow whose husband when he made it to the 32nd degree came home from the ceremony in absolute fright and never went back. For years he refused to tell her why. Then one day he told her that "they worship Lucifer".

Then there is the in your face truth that should be obvious. Satan's plan was for man to not have agency. That is just about the first thing that an investigator is taught. What an investigator is not taught that the very last step is to go to the temple and surrender that agency by oath to the leader of the Church. Everything you are and everything you have is put under the authority of the Church. One can still exercise their agency against the wishes of the Church but it means breaking their oath.

Matthew 5:33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:

Matthew 5:34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:

Matthew 5:35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.

Matthew 5:36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.

Matthew 5:37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

Any time we swear an oath we are compromising our agency. That is antichrist. That is the way of Lucifer. In the world to come we are not bound by oath to keep the commandments of God. It is just that simple. We always have the agency to keep God's commandments. Going to the temple and swearing oaths is not God's way. It is the way of Lucifer.

Daniel 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

Daniel 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

Revelation 6:7 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.

Revelation 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse (beast): and his name that sat on him was Death (Satan), and Hell (false prophet) followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts (kingdoms) of the earth.

Horses are beast. Antichrist spirit kingdoms are beast. The four horses of Revelation 6 are beast kingdoms. A kingdom is a kingdom because it has a king. It is not really four different kingdoms. They are all the same kingdom. They are only said to be four kingdoms because there will be four kings. The kingdom itself is the kingdom of Israel or more specifically the kingdom of Ephraim and Manasseh because the name of Israel was named upon them when Jacob blessed them. Judah and the other tribes of Israel did not receive the blessing (curse) of the kingdom. The Antichrist comes from the lineage of Ephraim (but not in the forward direction, hint). The false prophet comes from the lineage of Ephraim. Jesus takes the kingdom from the Antichrist at the battle of Armageddon. Jesus then sets up his eternal kingdom. Put 2 and 2 together!
My communication with you ought to be yea yea or nay nay, per the context of the verses you quoted in Matthew, for you are an accuser of the brethren claiming to know the way to truth and salvation and stating that the leaders of the church are out of the way. You twist the words of the scriptures to suit your views, claiming that God ever used a beast to represent his kingdom even when his people were in transgression. You are free to believe as you please, but you manifest the fruits of apostasy and don’t understand the scriptures.

The Lord spoke truly, in times of old one should not forswear themselves but to the Lord! This truth is more stringent than ever, and in the HOUSE OF THE LORD one covenants with an oath to WHOM? Not to man, but to God. Should we be upset that the covenants there are administered by someone representing God? His house is a house of order and he often uses representatives (i.e. the prophets) when interacting with his children. If anyone who goes through the ordinances of his holy house think they are making covenants with a man, then they need to clean their ears and listen up.

Zechariah knew that God is a God of covenant, the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow:

“Remember his holy covenant; the oath which he sware to our father Abraham, that he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear, in holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life” (Luke 1:72-75).

It is the false teaching of the devil that has infiltrated many secret circles to say that Lucifer is God. The devil has been propositioning this from the beginning, first with our first parents, thence on to Cain, Moses, etc. It would be naïve for us to believe that the presence of this teaching would come in a full shade of black. Even Albert Pike is essentially quoting Lehi’s masterful discourse on opposition in all things, which is truth, but mingles it with the philosophies of men (or the devil). This is how Satan works. He wants all to be guilty by association for he has his fingers in all things in this world—he claims the whole of it! Joseph Smith became a mason and instantly saw right through it. He took the truth and separated it from the chaff of man. Satan desires the throne of God. The boy prophet threw him off. Now I can make a holy covenant or oath just as Abraham. An oath to do what? To serve him all my days.

There is life in this. Yea, I have come to know God, and his son whom he has sent, through the ordinances of the house of the Lord given through the prophet Joseph Smith.

My experience is very different than yours, Mr. Sherwin. The devil has at times ranted at me, but that feeling came in opposition to the nearness I was experiencing with God. When something hasn’t been of God, there has been a stupor, but not violence of feeling. When I went through the temple for the first time I kept asking my earthly father, for he was beside me as my escort, “When have I done this before? It is all as familiar to me as the walk back to home I have not been to in a long time.” Every gesture and word was known to me, as if coming back to my memory, as I passed through those things for the first time.

I do not leave that testimony with you in my own name, but in the name of the Lord Jesus, for it is true. Whatever invites and entices to believe in Christ is good and of God. Do not judge that which is true and of God to be false and of the devil.

From here on out, Mr. Sherwin, my communication with you will be yea yea or nay nay, for my testimony has been set.
yea nay yea___yea yea___nay yea yea___yea yea___nay yea nay yea___yea yea nay___yea nay yea yea___nay nay nay___yea yea nay___yea yea yea
Has a babbling idiot come among us... ?

KoZ - which one are you thinking is the babbler...?

Posted: **September 22nd, 2019, 10:21 am**

Obrien wrote: ↑September 22nd, 2019, 10:07 am
Kingdom of ZION wrote: ↑September 22nd, 2019, 7:37 am
Michael Sherwin wrote: ↑September 21st, 2019, 11:31 am
Baurak Ale wrote: ↑September 21st, 2019, 8:39 am

My communication with you ought to be yea yea or nay nay, per the context of the verses you quoted in Matthew, for you are an accuser of the brethren claiming to know the way to truth and salvation and stating that the leaders of the church are out of the way. You twist the words of the scriptures to suit your views, claiming that God ever used a beast to represent his kingdom even when his people were in transgression. You are free to believe as you please, but you manifest the fruits of apostasy and don’t understand the scriptures.

The Lord spoke truly, in times of old one should not forswear themselves but to the Lord! This truth is more stringent than ever, and in the HOUSE OF THE LORD one covenants with an oath to WHOM? Not to man, but to God. Should we be upset that the covenants there are administered by someone representing God? His house is a house of order and he often uses representatives (i.e. the prophets) when interacting with his children. If anyone who goes through the ordinances of his holy house think they are making covenants with a man, then they need to clean their ears and listen up.

Zechariah knew that God is a God of covenant, the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow:

“Remember his holy covenant; the oath which he sware to our father Abraham, that he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear, in holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life” (Luke 1:72-75).

It is the false teaching of the devil that has infiltrated many secret circles to say that Lucifer is God. The devil has been propositioning this from the beginning, first with our first parents, thence on to Cain, Moses, etc. It would be naïve for us to believe that the presence of this teaching would come in a full shade of black. Even Albert Pike is essentially quoting Lehi’s masterful discourse on opposition in all things, which is truth, but mingles it with the philosophies of men (or the devil). This is how Satan works. He wants all to be guilty by association for he has his fingers in all things in this world—he claims the whole of it! Joseph Smith became a mason and instantly saw right through it. He took the truth and separated it from the chaff of man. Satan desires the throne of God. The boy prophet threw him off. Now I can make a holy covenant or oath just as Abraham. An oath to do what? To serve him all my days.

There is life in this. Yea, I have come to know God, and his son whom he has sent, through the ordinances of the house of the Lord given through the prophet Joseph Smith.

My experience is very different than yours, Mr. Sherwin. The devil has at times ranted at me, but that feeling came in opposition to the nearness I was experiencing with God. When something hasn’t been of God, there has been a stupor, but not violence of feeling. When I went through the temple for the first time I kept asking my earthly father, for he was beside me as my escort, “When have I done this before? It is all as familiar to me as the walk back to home I have not been to in a long time.” Every gesture and word was known to me, as if coming back to my memory, as I passed through those things for the first time.

I do not leave that testimony with you in my own name, but in the name of the Lord Jesus, for it is true. Whatever invites and entices to believe in Christ is good and of God. Do not judge that which is true and of God to be false and of the devil.

From here on out, Mr. Sherwin, my communication with you will be yea yea or nay nay, for my testimony has been set.
yea nay yea___yea yea___nay yea yea___yea yea___nay yea nay yea___yea yea nay___yea nay yea yea___nay nay nay___yea yea nay___yea yea yea
Has a babbling idiot come among us... ?
KoZ - which one are you thinking is the babbler...?

Speaking of babbling idiots, wonder how “I am” is doing

Posted: **September 22nd, 2019, 11:27 am**

Kingdom of ZION wrote: ↑September 22nd, 2019, 7:37 am
Michael Sherwin wrote: ↑September 21st, 2019, 11:31 am
Baurak Ale wrote: ↑September 21st, 2019, 8:39 am
Michael Sherwin wrote: ↑September 20th, 2019, 8:10 pm

The Church of 1830 was not Luciferian. It was when the temple services were added that it became Luciferian. The temple is patterned after Masonry. Seven of the first nine to receive their endowments were Masons. If you think that is not important then you are deceiving yourself. If you think that Brigham Young stating that the Mormons having the true Masonry somehow absolves the issue then you are deceiving yourself. If you think that all the Masonry symbolism at the temples is just decoration then you do not understand the significance. Then there is this quote of Albert Pike in his book Morals and Dogma.

"That which we must say to the crowd is, we worship a god, but it is the god one adores without superstition. To you sovereign grand inspector general, we say this and you may repeat it to the brethren of the 32nd, 31st and 30th degrees - the Masonic religion should be by all of us initiates of the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the Luciferian doctrine. If Lucifer were not god, would Adonay (the God of the Christians) whose deeds prove cruelty, perfidy and hatred of man, barbarism and repulsion for science, would Adonay and His priests, calumniate Him? Yes, Lucifer is god, and unfortunately Adonay is also God, for the eternal law is that there is no light without shade, no beauty without ugliness, no white without black, for the absolute can only exist as two gods. Darkness being necessary for light to serve as its foil, as the pedestal is necessary to the statue, and the brake to the locomotive. Thus, the doctrine of Satanism is heresy, and the true and pure philosophical religion is the belief in Lucifer, the equal of Adonay, but Lucifer, god of light and god of good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay, the god of darkness and evil." - Albert Pike

Albert Pike was a high level Mason in this country. If you believe that all seven of the nine Masons that received the first endowment were oblivious to Lucifer being the God of the Masons then you are naive. And too that I can add that I personally know a widow whose husband when he made it to the 32nd degree came home from the ceremony in absolute fright and never went back. For years he refused to tell her why. Then one day he told her that "they worship Lucifer".

Then there is the in your face truth that should be obvious. Satan's plan was for man to not have agency. That is just about the first thing that an investigator is taught. What an investigator is not taught that the very last step is to go to the temple and surrender that agency by oath to the leader of the Church. Everything you are and everything you have is put under the authority of the Church. One can still exercise their agency against the wishes of the Church but it means breaking their oath.

Matthew 5:33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:

Matthew 5:34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:

Matthew 5:35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.

Matthew 5:36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.

Matthew 5:37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

Any time we swear an oath we are compromising our agency. That is antichrist. That is the way of Lucifer. In the world to come we are not bound by oath to keep the commandments of God. It is just that simple. We always have the agency to keep God's commandments. Going to the temple and swearing oaths is not God's way. It is the way of Lucifer.

Daniel 7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

Daniel 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

Revelation 6:7 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.

Revelation 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse (beast): and his name that sat on him was Death (Satan), and Hell (false prophet) followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts (kingdoms) of the earth.

Horses are beast. Antichrist spirit kingdoms are beast. The four horses of Revelation 6 are beast kingdoms. A kingdom is a kingdom because it has a king. It is not really four different kingdoms. They are all the same kingdom. They are only said to be four kingdoms because there will be four kings. The kingdom itself is the kingdom of Israel or more specifically the kingdom of Ephraim and Manasseh because the name of Israel was named upon them when Jacob blessed them. Judah and the other tribes of Israel did not receive the blessing (curse) of the kingdom. The Antichrist comes from the lineage of Ephraim (but not in the forward direction, hint). The false prophet comes from the lineage of Ephraim. Jesus takes the kingdom from the Antichrist at the battle of Armageddon. Jesus then sets up his eternal kingdom. Put 2 and 2 together!
My communication with you ought to be yea yea or nay nay, per the context of the verses you quoted in Matthew, for you are an accuser of the brethren claiming to know the way to truth and salvation and stating that the leaders of the church are out of the way. You twist the words of the scriptures to suit your views, claiming that God ever used a beast to represent his kingdom even when his people were in transgression. You are free to believe as you please, but you manifest the fruits of apostasy and don’t understand the scriptures.

The Lord spoke truly, in times of old one should not forswear themselves but to the Lord! This truth is more stringent than ever, and in the HOUSE OF THE LORD one covenants with an oath to WHOM? Not to man, but to God. Should we be upset that the covenants there are administered by someone representing God? His house is a house of order and he often uses representatives (i.e. the prophets) when interacting with his children. If anyone who goes through the ordinances of his holy house think they are making covenants with a man, then they need to clean their ears and listen up.

Zechariah knew that God is a God of covenant, the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow:

“Remember his holy covenant; the oath which he sware to our father Abraham, that he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear, in holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life” (Luke 1:72-75).

It is the false teaching of the devil that has infiltrated many secret circles to say that Lucifer is God. The devil has been propositioning this from the beginning, first with our first parents, thence on to Cain, Moses, etc. It would be naïve for us to believe that the presence of this teaching would come in a full shade of black. Even Albert Pike is essentially quoting Lehi’s masterful discourse on opposition in all things, which is truth, but mingles it with the philosophies of men (or the devil). This is how Satan works. He wants all to be guilty by association for he has his fingers in all things in this world—he claims the whole of it! Joseph Smith became a mason and instantly saw right through it. He took the truth and separated it from the chaff of man. Satan desires the throne of God. The boy prophet threw him off. Now I can make a holy covenant or oath just as Abraham. An oath to do what? To serve him all my days.

There is life in this. Yea, I have come to know God, and his son whom he has sent, through the ordinances of the house of the Lord given through the prophet Joseph Smith.

My experience is very different than yours, Mr. Sherwin. The devil has at times ranted at me, but that feeling came in opposition to the nearness I was experiencing with God. When something hasn’t been of God, there has been a stupor, but not violence of feeling. When I went through the temple for the first time I kept asking my earthly father, for he was beside me as my escort, “When have I done this before? It is all as familiar to me as the walk back to home I have not been to in a long time.” Every gesture and word was known to me, as if coming back to my memory, as I passed through those things for the first time.

I do not leave that testimony with you in my own name, but in the name of the Lord Jesus, for it is true. Whatever invites and entices to believe in Christ is good and of God. Do not judge that which is true and of God to be false and of the devil.

From here on out, Mr. Sherwin, my communication with you will be yea yea or nay nay, for my testimony has been set.
yea nay yea___yea yea___nay yea yea___yea yea___nay yea nay yea___yea yea nay___yea nay yea yea___nay nay nay___yea yea nay___yea yea yea
Has a babbling idiot come among us... ?

You have no idea what that is do you? Not that I'd expect anyone to pick up on it since it is hidden under a couple of layers. But to answer your question this place is dotted with babblers As for me I think that I am going to make a dash for the door. It's ridiculous, just ridiculous!

Posted: **September 22nd, 2019, 7:28 pm**

Obrien wrote: ↑September 22nd, 2019, 10:07 am
Kingdom of ZION wrote: ↑September 22nd, 2019, 7:37 am
Michael Sherwin wrote: ↑September 21st, 2019, 11:31 am
Baurak Ale wrote: ↑September 21st, 2019, 8:39 am

My communication with you ought to be yea yea or nay nay, per the context of the verses you quoted in Matthew, for you are an accuser of the brethren claiming to know the way to truth and salvation and stating that the leaders of the church are out of the way. You twist the words of the scriptures to suit your views, claiming that God ever used a beast to represent his kingdom even when his people were in transgression. You are free to believe as you please, but you manifest the fruits of apostasy and don’t understand the scriptures.

The Lord spoke truly, in times of old one should not forswear themselves but to the Lord! This truth is more stringent than ever, and in the HOUSE OF THE LORD one covenants with an oath to WHOM? Not to man, but to God. Should we be upset that the covenants there are administered by someone representing God? His house is a house of order and he often uses representatives (i.e. the prophets) when interacting with his children. If anyone who goes through the ordinances of his holy house think they are making covenants with a man, then they need to clean their ears and listen up.

Zechariah knew that God is a God of covenant, the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow:

“Remember his holy covenant; the oath which he sware to our father Abraham, that he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear, in holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life” (Luke 1:72-75).

It is the false teaching of the devil that has infiltrated many secret circles to say that Lucifer is God. The devil has been propositioning this from the beginning, first with our first parents, thence on to Cain, Moses, etc. It would be naïve for us to believe that the presence of this teaching would come in a full shade of black. Even Albert Pike is essentially quoting Lehi’s masterful discourse on opposition in all things, which is truth, but mingles it with the philosophies of men (or the devil). This is how Satan works. He wants all to be guilty by association for he has his fingers in all things in this world—he claims the whole of it! Joseph Smith became a mason and instantly saw right through it. He took the truth and separated it from the chaff of man. Satan desires the throne of God. The boy prophet threw him off. Now I can make a holy covenant or oath just as Abraham. An oath to do what? To serve him all my days.

There is life in this. Yea, I have come to know God, and his son whom he has sent, through the ordinances of the house of the Lord given through the prophet Joseph Smith.

My experience is very different than yours, Mr. Sherwin. The devil has at times ranted at me, but that feeling came in opposition to the nearness I was experiencing with God. When something hasn’t been of God, there has been a stupor, but not violence of feeling. When I went through the temple for the first time I kept asking my earthly father, for he was beside me as my escort, “When have I done this before? It is all as familiar to me as the walk back to home I have not been to in a long time.” Every gesture and word was known to me, as if coming back to my memory, as I passed through those things for the first time.

I do not leave that testimony with you in my own name, but in the name of the Lord Jesus, for it is true. Whatever invites and entices to believe in Christ is good and of God. Do not judge that which is true and of God to be false and of the devil.

From here on out, Mr. Sherwin, my communication with you will be yea yea or nay nay, for my testimony has been set.
yea nay yea___yea yea___nay yea yea___yea yea___nay yea nay yea___yea yea nay___yea nay yea yea___nay nay nay___yea yea nay___yea yea yea
Has a babbling idiot come among us... ?
KoZ - which one are you thinking is the babbler...?

The one doing the "Yea, nay" Can-Can dance...

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