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Re: psychology of conspiracy theorists
Posted: September 20th, 2019, 5:24 pm
by larsenb
Believing Joseph wrote: ↑September 20th, 2019, 5:17 pm
thestock wrote: ↑September 20th, 2019, 5:05 pm
Again, please allow me to clarify an assumption here.
I am actually a huge Joseph Smith fan. Honestly, I would put my knowledge of the man and his works up against anybody. he was brilliant.
I don’t prescribe to the “all or nothing” mindset. I don’t discount and dismiss anyone who doesn’t tow whatever line I would want them to toe. Everyone is brilliant in something; everyone has weaknesses.
I can simultaneously believe in what Joseph intended and allow it to uplift and inspire me while also believing he embellished a great deal to achieve his ends. I can also believe his heart and works were built upon the rock of Christ.
It is only courtesy to wish myself to be afforded from you and others the agency to hold my own experiences, perspectives, and beliefs.
I think, mostly, I do get that here.
Friday!! Have a nice weekend.
. . . . .though I do find it a bit odd that our criticisms of your beliefs would be seen as amounting to an attack on your agency - . . . . .
Indeed.
Re: psychology of conspiracy theorists
Posted: September 21st, 2019, 9:03 am
by ori
Justme, there is a scripture in D&C that says unequivocally that there are secret combinations today. It’s not just the Book of Mormon.
D&C 42:64
And even now, let him that goeth to the east teach them that shall be converted to flee to the west, and this in consequence of that which is coming on the earth, and of secret combinations.
What do you think about this scripture ?
Re: psychology of conspiracy theorists
Posted: September 21st, 2019, 11:12 am
by Silver Pie
This is what makes a good forum. I really liked the back and forth (and am glad that when it got heated, it didn't escalate to boiling like so many posts on LDSFF seem to do).
Believing Joseph wrote: ↑September 20th, 2019, 5:17 pmone shouldn't sign up for a forum like this with the expectation that everything on says will be well received - at least, that definitely hasn't been my experience!
I can learn so much when all sides of an issue are presented in a well-thought-out way. I don't like the conversations that go, "You have to believe like I do," or, "You are an apostate. You should follow the Brethren."
If some don't believe in following the Brethren, or believe in some of what the Brethren teach but not others (or anything along the spectrum of total belief that they can do no wrong to believing that everything they do is wrong), I think they should be allowed to have their say. Not in an attacking or bashing way, but in a well-thought out "this is what I believe and why" way.
Sometimes, my testimony is strengthened by listening to people I ultimately choose to disagree with. How can I know I've got the truth if I close myself off to opposing views? How can I know what an opposing view is if that person/those people are shut down, or if that person/those people are attacking and defending instead of presenting their views in a clear and open way?
Re: psychology of conspiracy theorists
Posted: September 21st, 2019, 1:59 pm
by Believing Joseph
Silver Pie wrote: ↑September 21st, 2019, 11:12 am
I can learn so much when all sides of an issue are presented in a well-thought-out way. I don't like the conversations that go, "You have to believe like I do....
I think that apotheosis of that sort of conversation might be JustMe's thread "What If You Are Right" that started out with an enumerated list of the ways in which the world would be awful if the people who disagreed with JustMe were right.
Re: psychology of conspiracy theorists
Posted: September 21st, 2019, 6:19 pm
by David13
gkearney wrote: ↑September 13th, 2019, 6:11 pm
I've been thinking here about the original topic, the psychology of conspiracy theorists. I think the driving motivation to want to believe in such things, and they run a full range from the political and financial to to things like flat and hollow earth and weather manipulation
...
Weather manipulation? You mean you don't realize that cloud seeding was invented in about 1946 and has been carried out since then? Just what would you consider cloud seeding? Aerial agriculture? No man, I really don't know where you been. It is ... weather manipulation.
dc
Re: psychology of conspiracy theorists
Posted: September 21st, 2019, 7:21 pm
by gkearney
David13 wrote: ↑September 21st, 2019, 6:19 pm
gkearney wrote: ↑September 13th, 2019, 6:11 pm
I've been thinking here about the original topic, the psychology of conspiracy theorists. I think the driving motivation to want to believe in such things, and they run a full range from the political and financial to to things like flat and hollow earth and weather manipulation
...
Weather manipulation? You mean you don't realize that cloud seeding was invented in about 1946 and has been carried out since then? Just what would you consider cloud seeding? Aerial agriculture? No man, I really don't know where you been. It is ... weather manipulation.
dc
Cloud seeding hardly counts as a conspiracy, no what I am referring to are the dark tales of manipulation the paths of hurricanes using the old HARP transmitters as an example. Similar to this is “chemtrails”, HAARP conspiracy, claims made against Doppler weather radar, and so on. Unseen hands at work for nefarious purposes.
The reason people want to believe in these and other such "conspiracies" is in part because they don’t want to believe that disasters are random or at a minimum are caused by forces out of our control. It’s terrifying to think that a tornado could sweep away your home with only a moment’s notice and that earthquakes can trigger tsunami waves that kill hundreds of thousands of people. The indifference of disasters is an unsettling thought that’s hard for humans to grasp. It’s oddly more comforting to believe that a group of evil people sitting around a table created a superstorm than it is to believe that bad things just happen.
Conspiracy theories are like a gateway drug to one another once you start down the rabbit hole of one of them, like Alice in Wonderland there are a dozen other paths which one can follow each leading to another in an endless warren of interlinking events each father out than the last.
Re: psychology of conspiracy theorists
Posted: September 22nd, 2019, 12:57 am
by cab
Just listen to the mason... There's no conspiracy... Don't investigate conspiracies, you'll be one of the crazy people if you do... Move on, nothing to see here...
Re: psychology of conspiracy theorists
Posted: September 22nd, 2019, 6:49 am
by David13
gkearney wrote: ↑September 21st, 2019, 7:21 pm
David13 wrote: ↑September 21st, 2019, 6:19 pm
gkearney wrote: ↑September 13th, 2019, 6:11 pm
I've been thinking here about the original topic, the psychology of conspiracy theorists. I think the driving motivation to want to believe in such things, and they run a full range from the political and financial to to things like flat and hollow earth and weather manipulation
...
Weather manipulation? You mean you don't realize that cloud seeding was invented in about 1946 and has been carried out since then? Just what would you consider cloud seeding? Aerial agriculture? No man, I really don't know where you been. It is ... weather manipulation.
dc
Cloud seeding hardly counts as a conspiracy, no what I am referring to are the dark tales of manipulation the paths of hurricanes using the old HARP transmitters as an example. Similar to this is “chemtrails”, HAARP conspiracy, claims made against Doppler weather radar, and so on. Unseen hands at work for nefarious purposes.
The reason people want to believe in these and other such "conspiracies" is in part because they don’t want to believe that disasters are random or at a minimum are caused by forces out of our control. It’s terrifying to think that a tornado could sweep away your home with only a moment’s notice and that earthquakes can trigger tsunami waves that kill hundreds of thousands of people. The indifference of disasters is an unsettling thought that’s hard for humans to grasp. It’s oddly more comforting to believe that a group of evil people sitting around a table created a superstorm than it is to believe that bad things just happen.
Conspiracy theories are like a gateway drug to one another once you start down the rabbit hole of one of them, like Alice in Wonderland there are a dozen other paths which one can follow each leading to another in an endless warren of interlinking events each father out than the last.
Amateur psychology.
That's a lot of vivid imagination for a guy who can't imagine that the Book of Mormon is true.
dc
Re: psychology of conspiracy theorists
Posted: September 22nd, 2019, 7:24 am
by gkearney
David13 wrote: ↑September 22nd, 2019, 6:49 am
gkearney wrote: ↑September 21st, 2019, 7:21 pm
David13 wrote: ↑September 21st, 2019, 6:19 pm
gkearney wrote: ↑September 13th, 2019, 6:11 pm
I've been thinking here about the original topic, the psychology of conspiracy theorists. I think the driving motivation to want to believe in such things, and they run a full range from the political and financial to to things like flat and hollow earth and weather manipulation
...
Weather manipulation? You mean you don't realize that cloud seeding was invented in about 1946 and has been carried out since then? Just what would you consider cloud seeding? Aerial agriculture? No man, I really don't know where you been. It is ... weather manipulation.
dc
Cloud seeding hardly counts as a conspiracy, no what I am referring to are the dark tales of manipulation the paths of hurricanes using the old HARP transmitters as an example. Similar to this is “chemtrails”, HAARP conspiracy, claims made against Doppler weather radar, and so on. Unseen hands at work for nefarious purposes.
The reason people want to believe in these and other such "conspiracies" is in part because they don’t want to believe that disasters are random or at a minimum are caused by forces out of our control. It’s terrifying to think that a tornado could sweep away your home with only a moment’s notice and that earthquakes can trigger tsunami waves that kill hundreds of thousands of people. The indifference of disasters is an unsettling thought that’s hard for humans to grasp. It’s oddly more comforting to believe that a group of evil people sitting around a table created a superstorm than it is to believe that bad things just happen.
Conspiracy theories are like a gateway drug to one another once you start down the rabbit hole of one of them, like Alice in Wonderland there are a dozen other paths which one can follow each leading to another in an endless warren of interlinking events each father out than the last.
Amateur psychology.
That's a lot of vivid imagination for a guy who can't imagine that the Book of Mormon is true.
dc
Now when did I ever say that I do not believe the Book of Mormon to be true? I don't think it is historically accurate in every detail, Iindeed I don't think the Bible is so either nor any other scriptural accounts from antiquity but that doesn't mean that they are "not true" or that they do not teach truth. There is a difference there.
Re: psychology of conspiracy theorists
Posted: September 22nd, 2019, 8:42 am
by cab
David13 wrote: ↑September 22nd, 2019, 6:49 am
gkearney wrote: ↑September 21st, 2019, 7:21 pm
David13 wrote: ↑September 21st, 2019, 6:19 pm
gkearney wrote: ↑September 13th, 2019, 6:11 pm
I've been thinking here about the original topic, the psychology of conspiracy theorists. I think the driving motivation to want to believe in such things, and they run a full range from the political and financial to to things like flat and hollow earth and weather manipulation
...
Weather manipulation? You mean you don't realize that cloud seeding was invented in about 1946 and has been carried out since then? Just what would you consider cloud seeding? Aerial agriculture? No man, I really don't know where you been. It is ... weather manipulation.
dc
Cloud seeding hardly counts as a conspiracy, no what I am referring to are the dark tales of manipulation the paths of hurricanes using the old HARP transmitters as an example. Similar to this is “chemtrails”, HAARP conspiracy, claims made against Doppler weather radar, and so on. Unseen hands at work for nefarious purposes.
The reason people want to believe in these and other such "conspiracies" is in part because they don’t want to believe that disasters are random or at a minimum are caused by forces out of our control. It’s terrifying to think that a tornado could sweep away your home with only a moment’s notice and that earthquakes can trigger tsunami waves that kill hundreds of thousands of people. The indifference of disasters is an unsettling thought that’s hard for humans to grasp. It’s oddly more comforting to believe that a group of evil people sitting around a table created a superstorm than it is to believe that bad things just happen.
Conspiracy theories are like a gateway drug to one another once you start down the rabbit hole of one of them, like Alice in Wonderland there are a dozen other paths which one can follow each leading to another in an endless warren of interlinking events each father out than the last.
Amateur psychology.
That's a lot of vivid imagination for a guy who can't imagine that the Book of Mormon is true.
dc
He probably likes all the parts except where it condemns those that participate in secret societies.
Re: psychology of conspiracy theorists
Posted: September 22nd, 2019, 8:59 am
by Fiannan
For those who do not buy into conspiracies, may I introduce you to 4th Nephi?
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/stu ... 1?lang=eng
Re: psychology of conspiracy theorists
Posted: February 9th, 2020, 11:43 pm
by hippypink
gkearney wrote: ↑September 11th, 2019, 3:04 pm
The problem I am having with all this conspiracy stuff, even including the statements from President Benson is this. No one ever seem willing to give any specifics to this. They will not name names, date, places. They will not cite specific and verifiable actions of specific people. It's all this soft of vague notion that there are people, never named, who are involved in some grand conspiracy of some kind. No one is ever able to give an outline of just what specifically is being done and by who and for what reason.
A conspiracy on the scale spoken of would involved tens if not hundreds of thousands of people as well as organizations and even government yet not once in all the general conference talks do you get the names of these. Why is that? No offence is meant here but just how is anyone supposed to fight a conspiracy when we don't know who, where, or how to fight against it? Just some unspecific warning against an unspecific group of unnamed people really isn't very helpful.
You wonder why we don't hear more about it anymore? Perhaps this is the reason.
Look up how many wars were fought over false flag operations, which is a lie, often created by a govt.
Here are 53:
https://www.globalresearch.ca/53-admitt ... ks/5432931
Okay, war is done, now sexual abuse (ritual/satanic perhaps too) by people in power (e.g. politicians):
Best example is Dutroix Affair. You could spend a few days reading about it, but there is a Dutch book about the whole case, and the best video (German public TV documentary) that details the 23 witnesses that all mysteriously died before trial, the indisputable fact that parliment shut down the police investigation for no reason, etc.... This is the shortest route to solid, meaningful, evidence that something clearly happened. I could write a book about it.
In fact, this small yet pervasive trend is a likely way govt's will fail in the future.
Re: psychology of conspiracy theorists
Posted: February 11th, 2020, 10:41 am
by harakim
gkearney wrote: ↑September 11th, 2019, 3:04 pm
The problem I am having with all this conspiracy stuff, even including the statements from President Benson is this. No one ever seem willing to give any specifics to this. They will not name names, date, places. They will not cite specific and verifiable actions of specific people. It's all this soft of vague notion that there are people, never named, who are involved in some grand conspiracy of some kind. No one is ever able to give an outline of just what specifically is being done and by who and for what reason.
A conspiracy on the scale spoken of would involved tens if not hundreds of thousands of people as well as organizations and even government yet not once in all the general conference talks do you get the names of these. Why is that? No offence is meant here but just how is anyone supposed to fight a conspiracy when we don't know who, where, or how to fight against it? Just some unspecific warning against an unspecific group of unnamed people really isn't very helpful.
You wonder why we don't hear more about it anymore? Perhaps this is the reason.
You have to prepare yourself and your neighbors to be strong enough to overcome it once it is exposed. If the corruption conspiracies are true, the conspirators will definitely expose themselves, like they do in most third world countries today. At that point, you have to be ready to stand your ground.