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If you've followed my post over the last few years or read my latest book, you know that I believe we are presently in a 42 month count down to the abomination of desolation (spring 2020) and the Lord's first appearance in the fall of 2020. I believe that the 42 months started in the fall of 2016 very near to election time.

On occasion, I check out what others, even non LDS folks have to say about prophecy and the Second Coming, believing that the Lord can and does speak to some of them. A couple of days ago I came across the fellow in the video below and was rather surprised to find that he too had something to say about a vision covering the very same 42 months or 3 1/2 years. Note that he says that we had four years to prepare and that 3 1/2 years would also be significant. Anyway, thought I'd post an edited version and see what others thought.

friendsofthe wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2019, 10:06 pm If you've followed my post over the last few years or read my latest book, you know that I believe we are presently in a 42 month count down to the abomination of desolation (spring 2020) and the Lord's first appearance in the fall of 2020. I believe that the 42 months started in the fall of 2016 very near to election time.

On occasion, I check out what others, even non LDS folks have to say about prophecy and the Second Coming, believing that the Lord can and does speak to some of them. A couple of days ago I came across the fellow in the video below and was rather surprised to find that he too had something to say about a vision covering the very same 42 months or 3 1/2 years. Note that he says that we had four years to prepare and that 3 1/2 years would also be significant. Anyway, thought I'd post an edited version and see what others thought.

What makes you think it started in fall2016 ???

friendsofthe wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2019, 10:06 pm If you've followed my post over the last few years or read my latest book, you know that I believe we are presently in a 42 month count down to the abomination of desolation (spring 2020) and the Lord's first appearance in the fall of 2020. I believe that the 42 months started in the fall of 2016 very near to election time.

On occasion, I check out what others, even non LDS folks have to say about prophecy and the Second Coming, believing that the Lord can and does speak to some of them. A couple of days ago I came across the fellow in the video below and was rather surprised to find that he too had something to say about a vision covering the very same 42 months or 3 1/2 years. Note that he says that we had four years to prepare and that 3 1/2 years would also be significant. Anyway, thought I'd post an edited version and see what others thought.

When you say "His first appearance" not His coming in glory?
That time or appearance is one year away. How you word it above, I would assume that it would be a public appearance.


While I am here with you, I want to talk to the Saints. I like to look at them; I like to instruct them, and to be instructed. We pray continually for the redemption of Zion, for the Lord to hasten the time when we can return and establish the Center Stake of Zion, and build up the great temple of the Lord upon which his glory will rest as a cloud by day, and a pillar of fire by night. We pray that we may be sanctified, that we may be made pure in heart; and we pray that the Lord will teach us his will continually, and reveal unto us precisely his mind, so that we may have the mind of Christ, and know precisely what to do.

BY:
When will Zion be redeemed? When will the Savior make his appearance in the midst of his people? When will the veil be taken away, that we may behold the glory of God? Can any of you answer these questions? Yes, readily, when I tell you. The redemption of Zion is the first step preparatory to the two last-named events. Just as soon as the Latter-day Saints are ready and prepared to return to Independence, Jackson County, in the State of Missouri, North America, just so soon will the voice of the Lord be heard, “Arise now, Israel, and make your way to the Center Stake of Zion.” Do you think there is any danger of our being ready before the Lord prepares the other end of the route? Do you believe that we, as Latter-day Saints, are preparing our own hearts, our own lives, to return to take possession of the Center Stake of Zion, as fast as the Lord is preparing to cleanse the land from those ungodly persons who dwell there? You can read, reflect, and make your own calculations. If we are not very careful, the earth will be cleansed from wickedness before we are prepared to take possession of it. We must be pure to be prepared to build up Zion. To all appearance, the Lord is preparing that end of the route faster than we are preparing ourselves to go there.

His grace is here, his judgments are here, his wisdom and Spirit are here, and every qualification that Saints can require is here ready to be poured out upon the people, if they are prepared to receive them. Are we prepared to receive those qualifications? Are we prepared to march back and take possession of the Center Stake of Zion, build up the great Temple of the Lord, and gather in the nations of the earth?

looks like some building would need to be done in Jackson County before He comes.....

friendsofthe wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2019, 10:06 pm If you've followed my post over the last few years or read my latest book, you know that I believe we are presently in a 42 month count down to the abomination of desolation (spring 2020) and the Lord's first appearance in the fall of 2020. I believe that the 42 months started in the fall of 2016 very near to election time.

On occasion, I check out what others, even non LDS folks have to say about prophecy and the Second Coming, believing that the Lord can and does speak to some of them. A couple of days ago I came across the fellow in the video below and was rather surprised to find that he too had something to say about a vision covering the very same 42 months or 3 1/2 years. Note that he says that we had four years to prepare and that 3 1/2 years would also be significant. Anyway, thought I'd post an edited version and see what others thought.

I believe you are completely mistaken and I can practically guarantee your predictions are wrong.

One aspect I believe you have got wrong is the meaning of "a time, times, and half a time". You have interpreted this as meaning three and a half years (42 months/1,260 days). In reality it refers to... 1,260 years. In Hebrew scriptural prophecy years and days are interchangeable as I'm sure you know.
Joseph Smith understood the prophecy to mean 1,260 years and believed the establishment of the church in 1830 marked its fulfillment. He believed the clock started to tick in 570AD which was when the great apostasy became complete, Gregory the Great established the holy Roman empire, and Muhammed was born.

I know many believe that the prophecy has more than one meaning and more than one timeline. Multiple fulfillment is sometimes the case in OT prophetic writings, but this can be over-egged and often is.

Fortunately, we don't have to wait very long now until we will see that you are mistaken.

I too don’t believe his 1st appearance is that close. In my humble opinion I think the 1st appearance will be when Adam unseats the 4th beast, fulfilling Daniels prophecy. I also believe that is when we will start building New Jerusalem. Will he appoint a davidic servant then? He has 3 official visits here, he will make the most of them. Of course, my humble opinion.

I'm thinking Mainland China will have to hear the gospel in a big way before anything significant happens.
The whole purpose of mortality is to separate the wheat from the chaff.
Like the pre-mortal war where only those who chose HF's plan got to come down to this mortal earth for a probationary experience.

There is a lot more that has to be presented to general humanity so the personal choices can be made whether to exercise a modicum of faith in the Savior, or reject Him.

Either way, it's gonna be a long time.... a really long time before the end wraps up.

Remember how the early converts to Christianity were waiting on-the-edge-of-their seats for Christs return... (two thousand years later and still counting).
They like us, couldn't see the forest for the trees.

Just be personally ready to meet your maker at any time, cause we are all going to die sometime. Could be tomorrow, next weeks or in ten years.

Robin Hood wrote: ↑September 4th, 2019, 8:58 am

friendsofthe wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2019, 10:06 pm If you've followed my post over the last few years or read my latest book, you know that I believe we are presently in a 42 month count down to the abomination of desolation (spring 2020) and the Lord's first appearance in the fall of 2020. I believe that the 42 months started in the fall of 2016 very near to election time.

On occasion, I check out what others, even non LDS folks have to say about prophecy and the Second Coming, believing that the Lord can and does speak to some of them. A couple of days ago I came across the fellow in the video below and was rather surprised to find that he too had something to say about a vision covering the very same 42 months or 3 1/2 years. Note that he says that we had four years to prepare and that 3 1/2 years would also be significant. Anyway, thought I'd post an edited version and see what others thought.

I believe you are completely mistaken and I can practically guarantee your predictions are wrong.

One aspect I believe you have got wrong is the meaning of "a time, times, and half a time". You have interpreted this as meaning three and a half years (42 months/1,260 days). In reality it refers to... 1,260 years. In Hebrew scriptural prophecy years and days are interchangeable as I'm sure you know.
Joseph Smith understood the prophecy to mean 1,260 years and believed the establishment of the church in 1830 marked its fulfillment. He believed the clock started to tick in 570AD which was when the great apostasy became complete, Gregory the Great established the holy Roman empire, and Muhammed was born.

I know many believe that the prophecy has more than one meaning and more than one timeline. Multiple fulfillment is sometimes the case in OT prophetic writings, but this can be over-egged and often is.

Fortunately, we don't have to wait very long now until we will see that you are mistaken.

Do you have a source on this? I've never heard it before.

Many people expect China to be open to the gospel before the Lord comes back. China is already open. The church is organized in red China, not just in Hong-Kong, Macau, Taiwan. There members in cities like Peking, Shanghai... & they attend legally in their church buildings. You may not see LDS missionaries in those streets but the church is officially recognized. There are some LDS stakes in Moslem countries too. The gospel is all over the world through the internet. I guess the 10 virgins are slumbering (even the wise ones) with this prophecy thinking that the gospel is still no preached through out the world "so He will not come back yet". Wake up! He's coming soon!!

NIGHTLIGHT wrote: ↑September 4th, 2019, 6:34 am

friendsofthe wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2019, 10:06 pm If you've followed my post over the last few years or read my latest book, you know that I believe we are presently in a 42 month count down to the abomination of desolation (spring 2020) and the Lord's first appearance in the fall of 2020. I believe that the 42 months started in the fall of 2016 very near to election time.

On occasion, I check out what others, even non LDS folks have to say about prophecy and the Second Coming, believing that the Lord can and does speak to some of them. A couple of days ago I came across the fellow in the video below and was rather surprised to find that he too had something to say about a vision covering the very same 42 months or 3 1/2 years. Note that he says that we had four years to prepare and that 3 1/2 years would also be significant. Anyway, thought I'd post an edited version and see what others thought.

What makes you think it started in fall2016 ???

This is all explained in my book. www.thebridegroomcometh.net/book It's a free pdf download...

Robin Hood wrote: ↑September 4th, 2019, 8:58 am

friendsofthe wrote: ↑September 3rd, 2019, 10:06 pm If you've followed my post over the last few years or read my latest book, you know that I believe we are presently in a 42 month count down to the abomination of desolation (spring 2020) and the Lord's first appearance in the fall of 2020. I believe that the 42 months started in the fall of 2016 very near to election time.

On occasion, I check out what others, even non LDS folks have to say about prophecy and the Second Coming, believing that the Lord can and does speak to some of them. A couple of days ago I came across the fellow in the video below and was rather surprised to find that he too had something to say about a vision covering the very same 42 months or 3 1/2 years. Note that he says that we had four years to prepare and that 3 1/2 years would also be significant. Anyway, thought I'd post an edited version and see what others thought.

I believe you are completely mistaken and I can practically guarantee your predictions are wrong.

One aspect I believe you have got wrong is the meaning of "a time, times, and half a time". You have interpreted this as meaning three and a half years (42 months/1,260 days). In reality it refers to... 1,260 years. In Hebrew scriptural prophecy years and days are interchangeable as I'm sure you know.
Joseph Smith understood the prophecy to mean 1,260 years and believed the establishment of the church in 1830 marked its fulfillment. He believed the clock started to tick in 570AD which was when the great apostasy became complete, Gregory the Great established the holy Roman empire, and Muhammed was born.

I know many believe that the prophecy has more than one meaning and more than one timeline. Multiple fulfillment is sometimes the case in OT prophetic writings, but this can be over-egged and often is.

Fortunately, we don't have to wait very long now until we will see that you are mistaken.

I don't have any problem with the idea that what's talked about in Rev. 12 has to do with the apostasy and restoration. In face I wrote a blog about that back in Oct of 2017, you can read about it here: http://thebridegroomcometh.net/and-ther ... in-heaven/