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Re: God will make lemonade of the Church

Posted: August 29th, 2019, 12:35 am
by Doc
Michael Sherwin wrote: August 28th, 2019, 11:25 pm
Doc wrote: August 28th, 2019, 10:49 pm
Michael Sherwin wrote: August 28th, 2019, 8:55 pm
Doc wrote: August 28th, 2019, 8:31 pm

If Joseph Smith fits the bill...then why are you in these forums?

There is only one author of confusion...and you my friend are being deceived by him. You’re drawing incorrect interpretations and not acknowledging the full ramifications of your claims. If Joseph Smith is not a dispensational prophet called to restore the fullness of the gospel...then you should forget everything you know about Mormonism and move on because it would be a terrible waste of time. There is no gray area here.
You can say anything you want but God is not going to abandon the remnant.

I thought I was here because this is the LDS freedom forum. If you do not like the freedom then maybe it is you that should leave and find somewhere else to hang out.
You can’t call the LDS church Ephraim and then proceed to say Joseph Smith is a false prophet. Name another (non Book of Mormon believing) church who claims a large chunk of Ephraim resides within the United States. If Joseph Smith is a false prophet, then a different country and remnant would be Ephraim, since that interpretation is an LDS view. Look, all I’m saying is you cannot logically use LDS interpretations of the Bible against the LDS church in that manner. If the LDS church was founded by the devil, then a different religion or interpretation thereof should be correct...then you would have to use that interpretation against us.

Also, if Joseph Smith is a true prophet and the LDS church primarily is composed of the descendants of Ephraim, then why can the interpretation of “drunkards of Ephraim” not refer to the United States as a whole and not just specifically the LDS church?
Worldwide church of God. Herbert W. Armstrong
Minute 11 sec 30
You seem to think that I do not know what I'm talking about. When you show that you are the one that does not know!
I read your thread about your story...I’ve read a lot of what you have posted on the forums. I won’t attack you or what you feel you may be. All I’m saying is you cannot call Joseph Smith a false prophet in one sentence, then reference your patriarchal blessing to support your cause in the next.

Re: God will make lemonade of the Church

Posted: August 29th, 2019, 12:40 am
by Michael Sherwin
Doc wrote: August 29th, 2019, 12:35 am
Michael Sherwin wrote: August 28th, 2019, 11:25 pm
Doc wrote: August 28th, 2019, 10:49 pm
Michael Sherwin wrote: August 28th, 2019, 8:55 pm

You can say anything you want but God is not going to abandon the remnant.

I thought I was here because this is the LDS freedom forum. If you do not like the freedom then maybe it is you that should leave and find somewhere else to hang out.
You can’t call the LDS church Ephraim and then proceed to say Joseph Smith is a false prophet. Name another (non Book of Mormon believing) church who claims a large chunk of Ephraim resides within the United States. If Joseph Smith is a false prophet, then a different country and remnant would be Ephraim, since that interpretation is an LDS view. Look, all I’m saying is you cannot logically use LDS interpretations of the Bible against the LDS church in that manner. If the LDS church was founded by the devil, then a different religion or interpretation thereof should be correct...then you would have to use that interpretation against us.

Also, if Joseph Smith is a true prophet and the LDS church primarily is composed of the descendants of Ephraim, then why can the interpretation of “drunkards of Ephraim” not refer to the United States as a whole and not just specifically the LDS church?
Worldwide church of God. Herbert W. Armstrong
Minute 11 sec 30
You seem to think that I do not know what I'm talking about. When you show that you are the one that does not know!
I read your thread about your story...I’ve read a lot of what you have posted on the forums. I won’t attack you or what you feel you may be. All I’m saying is you cannot call Joseph Smith a false prophet in one sentence, then reference your patriarchal blessing to support your cause in the next.
NP! :) I feel as though I'm wanting to force my story to fruition out of frustration. I should be patient and wait on the Lord.

Re: God will make lemonade of the Church

Posted: August 29th, 2019, 7:37 am
by Rand
Michael Sherwin wrote: August 28th, 2019, 1:24 pm
Rand wrote: August 28th, 2019, 12:53 pm
Michael Sherwin wrote: August 27th, 2019, 11:40 pm

And oh yeah. Do you see that with the Lord is his anointed one the one that is termed the DS?
You think? The spirit of his writings have always been off putting to me. I have to say it is funny you put so much credibility in your PB, but it came from a fallen corrupt tree from what you say. How can you trust it that much?
I said to myself that I really need to go take a nap if there isn't anything else. I really need a nap. Oh well.

Before I joined the Church I had "a story". As amazing as my story is how can I trust it. It is not a matter of trust. It is a matter of consistency and persistence. My story went from coincidences to synergy a long time ago. So I was looking forward to my PB mostly , selfishly, because I was hoping for confirmation of my story. So I prayed inwardly with much fervor before and during my PB for that confirmation. I think the Lord answered my prayer because my PB totally confirms my story. I consider it as just as much hard evidence as the USS Mitscher was and the alignment of the planets on my birth date just to name a few. There is nothing in my PB that is contradictory to my story. What are the odds? My story is not random. It is either of God or the adversary. However, the planetary alignment on my birth date can only be coincidence or from God. And I have ruled out coincidence a long time ago.
I'm not trying to attack you. It just seems contradictory to me. I hear your story. Sounds amazing and fantastical. Sounds like your PB does give confirmation to your story. But, that doesn't mean we all have to believe it. We have to look at the fruits, taste the fruit, see if it feels good, or is congruent with other good fruit we have tasted and are currently tasting that are divine in their origin. And to me, you use your PB as validation, but it comes from what you term as a fallen entity. How can you use that as confirmation? Again, not doubting, just seems to be contradictory to me. I have learned some things from you. I have disagreed with some things. But so far for me, I am not sure what the fruit of your tree will be, so I must ask, seek and knock. Thanks for your response.

Re: God will make lemonade of the Church

Posted: August 29th, 2019, 8:41 am
by Michael Sherwin
Concerning whether Ephraim in Isaiah 28:1 is the US as a whole or refers specifically to the LDS Church. It refers to priest and prophets being intoxicated on false teaching and false doctrine. Already that rules out pointing at the US as a whole. It is pointing at a church. It is pointing at a church that has a prophet. Is there any other church that has a living prophet? It references the OMAS as teaching knowledge and doctrine to this people but they won't hear. So he is talking to a people and not a nation. He is talking to a people that search the scriptures! In Isaiah 28:15 it is a people that denies that the overflowing scourge will come to them. That means these people believe they are in a true church. That's because they are in a true church that death and hell cannot touch them and they are in agreement, in covenant that protects them. They don't realize that, "for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves".

If New Jerusalem will really be here in the US it is the remnant that will build it. It is the OMAS that will lead the remnant. The OMAS is therefore, "for a foundation a stone, a tried stone, a precious corner stone, a sure foundation: he that believeth shall not make haste". From an LDS point of view the OMAS therefore can only come to the LDS Church to sweep away the refuge of lies.

Re: God will make lemonade of the Church

Posted: August 29th, 2019, 9:20 am
by jmack
The Airbender wrote: August 28th, 2019, 6:34 pm
jmack wrote: August 28th, 2019, 9:00 am
The Airbender wrote: August 27th, 2019, 10:07 pm
The Airbender wrote: August 27th, 2019, 10:05 pm The covenant with death was when the church gave up the Kingdom of God, the United Order and Plural Marriage in order to fit in and take the pressure off. It was a covenant with Babylon and it was the day we decided we preferred to live in the world and be of the world rather than build Zion.


To be clear, we will never build Zion until we have begun to live again the things we abandoned in 1890.
What is it about the allure of practicing polygamy? So many have left the church and some even started their own so they could get more than one woman to have sex with them and pretend it's a godly thing to do. It was never meant to replace the Lord’s standard of marriage, but to be temporary, to raise seed. It was part of the restoration of all things and was stopped when the time came. Let it go, before it drives you crazy because if you look at the eventual outcome of those who have done it after it was forbidden, for many it is horrible. Murder, abuse, oppression, sexual deviance, ignorance and fear, suffering of innocents. For the lucky ones it still removes them from the true Church to wander in strange paths. Do yourself a favor and don't dwell on the desires you may feel, don't entertain those thoughts.
I listed several reasons and most latched on to plural marriage. There have been many, many discussions on that topic here. Let’s not make this about plural marriage. But I will say you do not understand the nature of the thing or the motivation if that’s what you believe. And you must have never studied what the prophets have said about it or if you did you don’t believe them.
You must have latched onto all the peripheral speculation (not scripural in the least) that was taught to encourage the members to practice it. All that bunk about needing it to get into the uppermost part of the Celestial kingdom, needing at least three wives to qualify, trying to mollify the women that they'll have a higher status in the hearafter sealed to a polygamist than in monogamy, telling the miserable first wife that her position in heaven will be secured and she'll be higher rank than the rest. You know who still clings to those worldly and obviously false notions that were no better than pseudospiritualpropaganda? Fundamentalist polygamists who are still desperately trying to distinguish themselves as special and elite.And a handful of members who are planning their future harems. :geek:

Re: God will make lemonade of the Church

Posted: August 29th, 2019, 9:25 am
by jmack
Michael Sherwin wrote: August 28th, 2019, 6:38 pm
Doc wrote: August 28th, 2019, 6:07 pm
Michael Sherwin wrote: August 28th, 2019, 4:43 pm
jmack wrote: August 28th, 2019, 3:58 pm

Sounds like you're backpedaling what you said. You were talking about the man of sin, heading the church and administering oaths in the temple to bind the members and how this was following Lucifer's plan. You can see why I asked, you even suggested it would be the church of Lucifer because you believe the Lord's church will not be the lds church.
I also said that if the man of sin does become the president that would make Joseph Smith the false prophet of Revelation. Then just minutes ago I was prompted to look at Joseph Smith's birth date in Stellarium. So I say something and even the stars testify to the truth of what I say. Saturn represents Satan and Uranus represents a fallen angel. And Virgo represents the earth.

Isaiah 66:7 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.

Isaiah 66:8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.


She is the sign of the woman, Virgo. She also is the earth.

So the fallen angel Satan is on the earth on Joseph Smith's birth date. What can you say when even the stars testify to the truth?
So let me make sure I understand...you think Joseph Smith is Lucifer?
Haven't I said enough? Joseph Smith fits the bill for the false prophet. Is the false prophet Lucifer in the flesh? Idk. I think it is more complicated than what English can describe. The Lamb with seven horns and seven eyes is the manifestation of the Father in his creation. The Lamb is also the seven Spirits of God that are sent forth into all the earth. They are all God when they are in the earth. But only one of them is our God. And our God is the highest of the seven and is the LORD of Lords. I do not fully understand that. Do you? Is Satan also one of the seven. Or is he just below them? Idk. I think he is one of the seven. If he is one of the seven and is one, "who is like God" then can he be in more than one place at a time? Does he have multiple avatars like the Father? Idk. What I do know is that the false prophet will have his spirit. What does that mean exactly? Idk. I don't think human language can express all this heavenly stuff.
Good to know where you stand, which is firmly against my church and my Lord and his true prophets. Thanks for being honest.

Re: God will make lemonade of the Church

Posted: August 29th, 2019, 9:31 am
by jmack
Michael Sherwin wrote: August 28th, 2019, 8:55 pm
Doc wrote: August 28th, 2019, 8:31 pm
Michael Sherwin wrote: August 28th, 2019, 6:38 pm
Doc wrote: August 28th, 2019, 6:07 pm

So let me make sure I understand...you think Joseph Smith is Lucifer?
Haven't I said enough? Joseph Smith fits the bill for the false prophet. Is the false prophet Lucifer in the flesh? Idk. I think it is more complicated than what English can describe. The Lamb with seven horns and seven eyes is the manifestation of the Father in his creation. The Lamb is also the seven Spirits of God that are sent forth into all the earth. They are all God when they are in the earth. But only one of them is our God. And our God is the highest of the seven and is the LORD of Lords. I do not fully understand that. Do you? Is Satan also one of the seven. Or is he just below them? Idk. I think he is one of the seven. If he is one of the seven and is one, "who is like God" then can he be in more than one place at a time? Does he have multiple avatars like the Father? Idk. What I do know is that the false prophet will have his spirit. What does that mean exactly? Idk. I don't think human language can express all this heavenly stuff.
If Joseph Smith fits the bill...then why are you in these forums?

There is only one author of confusion...and you my friend are being deceived by him. You’re drawing incorrect interpretations and not acknowledging the full ramifications of your claims. If Joseph Smith is not a dispensational prophet called to restore the fullness of the gospel...then you should forget everything you know about Mormonism and move on because it would be a terrible waste of time. There is no gray area here.
You can say anything you want but God is not going to abandon the remnant.

I thought I was here because this is the LDS freedom forum. If you do not like the freedom then maybe it is you that should leave and find somewhere else to hang out.
Doc is right, if you think the church is Lucifer's, and Joseph Lucifer's prophet, what brings you to an Lds forum? You talk about the remnant and your belief that you are called by God to be a prophet of some kind, are you here to spread your version of faith to bring members out of the church to join your remnant? If that isn't it, what is it?

Re: God will make lemonade of the Church

Posted: August 29th, 2019, 9:39 am
by jmack
Doc wrote: August 29th, 2019, 12:35 am
Michael Sherwin wrote: August 28th, 2019, 11:25 pm
Doc wrote: August 28th, 2019, 10:49 pm
Michael Sherwin wrote: August 28th, 2019, 8:55 pm

You can say anything you want but God is not going to abandon the remnant.

I thought I was here because this is the LDS freedom forum. If you do not like the freedom then maybe it is you that should leave and find somewhere else to hang out.
You can’t call the LDS church Ephraim and then proceed to say Joseph Smith is a false prophet. Name another (non Book of Mormon believing) church who claims a large chunk of Ephraim resides within the United States. If Joseph Smith is a false prophet, then a different country and remnant would be Ephraim, since that interpretation is an LDS view. Look, all I’m saying is you cannot logically use LDS interpretations of the Bible against the LDS church in that manner. If the LDS church was founded by the devil, then a different religion or interpretation thereof should be correct...then you would have to use that interpretation against us.

Also, if Joseph Smith is a true prophet and the LDS church primarily is composed of the descendants of Ephraim, then why can the interpretation of “drunkards of Ephraim” not refer to the United States as a whole and not just specifically the LDS church?
Worldwide church of God. Herbert W. Armstrong
Minute 11 sec 30
You seem to think that I do not know what I'm talking about. When you show that you are the one that does not know!
I read your thread about your story...I’ve read a lot of what you have posted on the forums. I won’t attack you or what you feel you may be. All I’m saying is you cannot call Joseph Smith a false prophet in one sentence, then reference your patriarchal blessing to support your cause in the next.
Bingo. It's totally illogical to diss the church, claiming it's false and run by Lucifer, set up by Lucifer's prophet and still believe your patriarchal blessing is from God. That makes zero sense Michael.

Re: God will make lemonade of the Church

Posted: August 29th, 2019, 9:42 am
by BeNotDeceived
jmack wrote: August 29th, 2019, 9:39 am
Doc wrote: August 29th, 2019, 12:35 am
Michael Sherwin wrote: August 28th, 2019, 11:25 pm
Doc wrote: August 28th, 2019, 10:49 pm You can’t call the LDS church Ephraim and then proceed to say Joseph Smith is a false prophet. Name another (non Book of Mormon believing) church who claims a large chunk of Ephraim resides within the United States. If Joseph Smith is a false prophet, then a different country and remnant would be Ephraim, since that interpretation is an LDS view. Look, all I’m saying is you cannot logically use LDS interpretations of the Bible against the LDS church in that manner. If the LDS church was founded by the devil, then a different religion or interpretation thereof should be correct...then you would have to use that interpretation against us.

Also, if Joseph Smith is a true prophet and the LDS church primarily is composed of the descendants of Ephraim, then why can the interpretation of “drunkards of Ephraim” not refer to the United States as a whole and not just specifically the LDS church?
Worldwide church of God. Herbert W. Armstrong
Minute 11 sec 30
You seem to think that I do not know what I'm talking about. When you show that you are the one that does not know!
I read your thread about your story...I’ve read a lot of what you have posted on the forums. I won’t attack you or what you feel you may be. All I’m saying is you cannot call Joseph Smith a false prophet in one sentence, then reference your patriarchal blessing to support your cause in the next.
Bingo. It's totally illogical to diss the church, claiming it's false and run by Lucifer, set up by Lucifer's prophet and still believe your patriarchal blessing is from God. That makes zero sense Michael.
Priest , but not Judas the Apostl :mrgreen:

Re: God will make lemonade of the Church

Posted: August 29th, 2019, 10:10 am
by nightlight
Hopefully it's pink lemonade, that stuff is my favorite

Re: God will make lemonade of the Church

Posted: August 29th, 2019, 10:55 am
by Michael Sherwin
jmack wrote: August 29th, 2019, 9:31 am
Michael Sherwin wrote: August 28th, 2019, 8:55 pm
Doc wrote: August 28th, 2019, 8:31 pm
Michael Sherwin wrote: August 28th, 2019, 6:38 pm

Haven't I said enough? Joseph Smith fits the bill for the false prophet. Is the false prophet Lucifer in the flesh? Idk. I think it is more complicated than what English can describe. The Lamb with seven horns and seven eyes is the manifestation of the Father in his creation. The Lamb is also the seven Spirits of God that are sent forth into all the earth. They are all God when they are in the earth. But only one of them is our God. And our God is the highest of the seven and is the LORD of Lords. I do not fully understand that. Do you? Is Satan also one of the seven. Or is he just below them? Idk. I think he is one of the seven. If he is one of the seven and is one, "who is like God" then can he be in more than one place at a time? Does he have multiple avatars like the Father? Idk. What I do know is that the false prophet will have his spirit. What does that mean exactly? Idk. I don't think human language can express all this heavenly stuff.
If Joseph Smith fits the bill...then why are you in these forums?

There is only one author of confusion...and you my friend are being deceived by him. You’re drawing incorrect interpretations and not acknowledging the full ramifications of your claims. If Joseph Smith is not a dispensational prophet called to restore the fullness of the gospel...then you should forget everything you know about Mormonism and move on because it would be a terrible waste of time. There is no gray area here.
You can say anything you want but God is not going to abandon the remnant.

I thought I was here because this is the LDS freedom forum. If you do not like the freedom then maybe it is you that should leave and find somewhere else to hang out.
Doc is right, if you think the church is Lucifer's, and Joseph Lucifer's prophet, what brings you to an Lds forum? You talk about the remnant and your belief that you are called by God to be a prophet of some kind, are you here to spread your version of faith to bring members out of the church to join your remnant? If that isn't it, what is it?
You do not understand how it works. The Spirit moves me. It is like I have no skin in the game. I do not have a goal or a plan and am not looking for followers. I just do what the Spirit directs me to do. I'll give you a non religious real life example. I had cataracts. They were really bad. If I went out in the Sun I was blind. I wanted to go get ocular implants. The Spirit kept saying not yet. So I waited and I waited and I waited. One day the Spirit said, now. So I went to the eye clinic and the eye doctor told me that if I had come in the week before that I would not have fared so well. That the lenses I needed because of my extreme astigmatism were not available until "this" week. I can relate hundreds of such stories. So if you want to know "what is it". You'll have to ask the Spirit. I'd ask but the Spirit never engages me in idle conversation. It only tells me what it wants me to know or do.

Re: God will make lemonade of the Church

Posted: August 29th, 2019, 11:10 am
by Michael Sherwin
jmack wrote: August 29th, 2019, 9:39 am
Doc wrote: August 29th, 2019, 12:35 am
Michael Sherwin wrote: August 28th, 2019, 11:25 pm
Doc wrote: August 28th, 2019, 10:49 pm

You can’t call the LDS church Ephraim and then proceed to say Joseph Smith is a false prophet. Name another (non Book of Mormon believing) church who claims a large chunk of Ephraim resides within the United States. If Joseph Smith is a false prophet, then a different country and remnant would be Ephraim, since that interpretation is an LDS view. Look, all I’m saying is you cannot logically use LDS interpretations of the Bible against the LDS church in that manner. If the LDS church was founded by the devil, then a different religion or interpretation thereof should be correct...then you would have to use that interpretation against us.

Also, if Joseph Smith is a true prophet and the LDS church primarily is composed of the descendants of Ephraim, then why can the interpretation of “drunkards of Ephraim” not refer to the United States as a whole and not just specifically the LDS church?
Worldwide church of God. Herbert W. Armstrong
Minute 11 sec 30
You seem to think that I do not know what I'm talking about. When you show that you are the one that does not know!
I read your thread about your story...I’ve read a lot of what you have posted on the forums. I won’t attack you or what you feel you may be. All I’m saying is you cannot call Joseph Smith a false prophet in one sentence, then reference your patriarchal blessing to support your cause in the next.
Bingo. It's totally illogical to diss the church, claiming it's false and run by Lucifer, set up by Lucifer's prophet and still believe your patriarchal blessing is from God. That makes zero sense Michael.
I guess I have to repeat myself endlessly but to no avail. Before and during my PB I prayed fervently for confirmation. Are you putting God in a box because it fits your reasoning. Do you think that I am not aware of the irony. Do you think the word irony exist for no good reason. Are you telling God that he could not have answered my prayer.

Re: God will make lemonade of the Church

Posted: August 29th, 2019, 11:12 am
by Michael Sherwin
NIGHTLIGHT wrote: August 29th, 2019, 10:10 am Hopefully it's pink lemonade, that stuff is my favorite
With all the blood there is likely to be, pink might be the right color.

Re: God will make lemonade of the Church

Posted: August 29th, 2019, 11:30 am
by nightlight
Michael Sherwin wrote: August 29th, 2019, 11:12 am
NIGHTLIGHT wrote: August 29th, 2019, 10:10 am Hopefully it's pink lemonade, that stuff is my favorite
With all the blood there is likely to be, pink might be the right color.
I urge caution, brother

"When you are invited by anyone to a wedding feast, do not sit down in the best place, lest one more honorable than you be invited by him;

9 "and he who invited you and him come and say to you, 'Give place to this man,' and then you begin with shame to take the lowest place.

10 "But when you are invited, go and sit down in the lowest place, so that when he who invited you comes he may say to you, 'Friend, go up higher.' Then you will have glory in the presence of those who sit at the table with you.

11 "For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted."

Re: God will make lemonade of the Church

Posted: August 29th, 2019, 11:36 am
by Michael Sherwin
NIGHTLIGHT wrote: August 29th, 2019, 11:30 am
Michael Sherwin wrote: August 29th, 2019, 11:12 am
NIGHTLIGHT wrote: August 29th, 2019, 10:10 am Hopefully it's pink lemonade, that stuff is my favorite
With all the blood there is likely to be, pink might be the right color.
I urge caution, brother

"When you are invited by anyone to a wedding feast, do not sit down in the best place, lest one more honorable than you be invited by him;

9 "and he who invited you and him come and say to you, 'Give place to this man,' and then you begin with shame to take the lowest place.

10 "But when you are invited, go and sit down in the lowest place, so that when he who invited you comes he may say to you, 'Friend, go up higher.' Then you will have glory in the presence of those who sit at the table with you.

11 "For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted."
I sit where the Spirit tells me to sit.

Re: God will make lemonade of the Church

Posted: August 29th, 2019, 11:40 am
by Robin Hood
Michael Sherwin wrote: August 27th, 2019, 7:48 pm

I have known who the devil is for decades. My PB even says that I know who he is. The Church is wrong that he never incarnated. He did incarnate, lived and died thousands of years ago. From his line will come the false prophet that would start a church. The false prophet has come and he did start a church. The church of Lucifer is alive and well on planet earth. It is a little horn but it will be world wide one day.

It is hopeless educating the people. They won't hear. The overwhelming scourge will come.
So you think that Joseph Smith is the descendent of Lucifer, a false prophet who would start a church. And you know this from a Patriarchal Blessing received from someone who ultimately got their priesthood from.... Joseph Smith.
Yep... makes perfect sense.

In other news, Hilary Clinton reveals that she voted for Donald Trump and that the two of them are planning to elope.

Re: God will make lemonade of the Church

Posted: August 29th, 2019, 11:44 am
by Michael Sherwin
Robin Hood wrote: August 29th, 2019, 11:40 am
Michael Sherwin wrote: August 27th, 2019, 7:48 pm A Vision of President John Taylor (1877)
The Vision of John Taylor ...(Vision 1)
As related by Wilford Woodruff
Salt Lake City, Utah, Dec 16, 1877

I retired to bed about half past nine. That evening I had been reading a revelation contained in the Doctrine and Covenants and my mind was calmer if possible than usual. I could not sleep. I felt a dreamy feeling coming over me, and soon I became partially unconscious as to where I was.

Presently I discovered that I was in the Ogden Tabernacle sitting on a back seat to avoid being called upon to speak. After the second hymn was sung, I was called to the stand. I arose and said that I did not know that I had anything special to say further than to bear my testimony as to the truthfulness of the Gospel. Then I seemed to be lifted, as it were, out of myself and said, “Yes, I have something to say which is this: Some of the brethren have been asking me concerning coming events, and I will now tell you some of the things which will shortly come to pass.”

I then found myself wandering about the streets of Salt Lake City and noticed on the doors of every house, including my own, badges of mourning, and said to myself, can it be possible that I am dead? Just then I heard a voice say, “No, you will live through it all.” No one seemed to be passing along the streets and everything was as still as death, except the prayers of the people that could be heard in the houses. I saw no funerals, and the scourge or whatever it was, seemed to be under control. I then looked over the country; in every direction as far as I could see, a similar condition prevailed. I then passed eastward above the earth and looking down saw many people coming west, mostly women who were carrying small bundles on their backs, and I thought it strange that there were so few men among them. They were on their way to the mountains, and I wondered how they could get there as the railroads were abandoned and the rails were in bad condition. I continued on my way passing through Omaha, Council Bluffs, and Iowa, and saw many women moving about in an excited manner

Sickness and death prevailed on all sides. The inhabitants of Illinois and Missouri were (were) in dreadful condition, the men and women killing each other in the most brutal manner.

Next I visited the City of Washington, D.C., and found the place deserted and in ruins. From there I went to Baltimore and on the square, where stands the monument of 1812, dead bodies of the inhabitants of the place were piled in heaps. While there I saw mothers cut the throats of their own children and drink the blood in order to quench their thirst. The waters of the Chesapeake Bay were so befouled from the effect of dead bodies that the water could not be used. Sickness and death prevailed throughout the city and the stench was something awful. I thought surely that this must be the end of suffering, but when I visited the City of Philadelphia, I found the place in ruins and the smell from dead bodies was beyond anything one could imagine.

In New York I saw men crawl out of cellars, ravish beautiful women, kill them and rob them of their jewels. I saw parents eating the flesh of their own offspring and then roll over and die. Looking back while on my way to Central Park, I saw fire break out and a heavy wind carried the flames over the city, and all the buildings, wharfs and ships in the harbor were burned. The stench from the burning bodies was carried by the wind across the Hudson River spreading death and destruction wherever it went. The sights that met my view on all sides were so horrible to look upon that it would be impossible for me to describe them.
After these scenes had passed, I found myself standing on the left bank of the Missouri River, just opposite to where stood the City of Independence and soon discovered that the states of Illinois, Missouri, and part of Iowa had been swept clean of its inhabitants and the surrounding country was a complete wilderness.

A short distance across the river, I beheld twelve men dressed in their temple robes standing in a square with their hands raised, and it was made known to me that they represented the twelve gates of the New Jerusalem. They then consecrated the grounds and laid the cornerstones of the city and temple; and while they were doing so, I saw myriads of heavenly angels hovering over them. I heard the most beautiful music and singing that I ever listened to and these were the words they repeated:
“Now is established the Kingdom of our God and His Christ which shall no more be thrown down or given to another people.”

I then saw a multitude of people coming from various directions to take part in the upbuilding of the city and temple and even the angels were on hand to assist in the glorious work. A great cloud arose above them and many of the saints were clothed in their temple robes.
All of a sudden I found myself standing at the pulpit of the Ogden Tabernacle, yet I could see the building of the city of Zion and temple going on and the cloud that hovered above the place.

I had become so animated by this time that I called upon the congregation to listen to the sweet music and singing of the angels that seemed to fill the house. Then I heard a voice say, “Now has come to pass that which was spoken by the mouth of Isaiah the Prophet, where he declares that `Seven women shall take hold of one man saying, We will eat our own bread and wear our own apparel, only let us be called by thy name to take away our reproach.’”

By this time I was so exhausted that I staggered backwards, and Brother Franklin D. Richards and some of the other brethren caught me before I fell. I then asked Brother Richards to apologize for me stopping so abruptly in my remarks, and to tell them that I had not fainted, but was overcome from exhaustion. I then rolled over in bed and the clock in the City and County Building struck twelve.


Source:Wilford Woodruff’s Journal, June 15, 1878, “A Vision, Salt Lake City, Night of Dec 16, 1877″

Does anyone think this will come to a church that was right with God? That has and practises the truth? No, it will come to a church that has made a covenant with death and an agreement with hell. It will come to the LDS Church. It will start in the LDS Church. When one enters the temple and surrenders their agency they are making a covenant with death and enrolling in Lucifer's plan. It does not matter what words are said. It only matters that you have entered Lucifer's plan when you surrender your agency. It is just as simple as that. Remember the blood oaths? That is the Luciferian way. That has been done away with but that is not what leads to damnation. Giving up your agency and being subjected to an organization with a man at the top ... . And what happens when it is the man of sin that is at the top? The overwhelming scourge happens to disannull such an organization, etc.

I have known who the devil is for decades. My PB even says that I know who he is. The Church is wrong that he never incarnated. He did incarnate, lived and died thousands of years ago. From his line will come the false prophet that would start a church. The false prophet has come and he did start a church. The church of Lucifer is alive and well on planet earth. It is a little horn but it will be world wide one day.

It is hopeless educating the people. They won't hear. The overwhelming scourge will come.
So you think that Joseph Smith is the descendent of Lucifer, a false prophet who would start a church. And you know this from a Patriarchal Blessing received from someone who ultimately got their priesthood from.... Joseph Smith.
Yep... makes perfect sense.
So you are also saying God could not have answered my prayer. You will say anything to discredit me even if it means dissing God.

Re: God will make lemonade of the Church

Posted: August 29th, 2019, 11:46 am
by Robin Hood
Michael Sherwin wrote: August 29th, 2019, 11:44 am
Robin Hood wrote: August 29th, 2019, 11:40 am
Michael Sherwin wrote: August 27th, 2019, 7:48 pm A Vision of President John Taylor (1877)
The Vision of John Taylor ...(Vision 1)
As related by Wilford Woodruff
Salt Lake City, Utah, Dec 16, 1877

I retired to bed about half past nine. That evening I had been reading a revelation contained in the Doctrine and Covenants and my mind was calmer if possible than usual. I could not sleep. I felt a dreamy feeling coming over me, and soon I became partially unconscious as to where I was.

Presently I discovered that I was in the Ogden Tabernacle sitting on a back seat to avoid being called upon to speak. After the second hymn was sung, I was called to the stand. I arose and said that I did not know that I had anything special to say further than to bear my testimony as to the truthfulness of the Gospel. Then I seemed to be lifted, as it were, out of myself and said, “Yes, I have something to say which is this: Some of the brethren have been asking me concerning coming events, and I will now tell you some of the things which will shortly come to pass.”

I then found myself wandering about the streets of Salt Lake City and noticed on the doors of every house, including my own, badges of mourning, and said to myself, can it be possible that I am dead? Just then I heard a voice say, “No, you will live through it all.” No one seemed to be passing along the streets and everything was as still as death, except the prayers of the people that could be heard in the houses. I saw no funerals, and the scourge or whatever it was, seemed to be under control. I then looked over the country; in every direction as far as I could see, a similar condition prevailed. I then passed eastward above the earth and looking down saw many people coming west, mostly women who were carrying small bundles on their backs, and I thought it strange that there were so few men among them. They were on their way to the mountains, and I wondered how they could get there as the railroads were abandoned and the rails were in bad condition. I continued on my way passing through Omaha, Council Bluffs, and Iowa, and saw many women moving about in an excited manner

Sickness and death prevailed on all sides. The inhabitants of Illinois and Missouri were (were) in dreadful condition, the men and women killing each other in the most brutal manner.

Next I visited the City of Washington, D.C., and found the place deserted and in ruins. From there I went to Baltimore and on the square, where stands the monument of 1812, dead bodies of the inhabitants of the place were piled in heaps. While there I saw mothers cut the throats of their own children and drink the blood in order to quench their thirst. The waters of the Chesapeake Bay were so befouled from the effect of dead bodies that the water could not be used. Sickness and death prevailed throughout the city and the stench was something awful. I thought surely that this must be the end of suffering, but when I visited the City of Philadelphia, I found the place in ruins and the smell from dead bodies was beyond anything one could imagine.

In New York I saw men crawl out of cellars, ravish beautiful women, kill them and rob them of their jewels. I saw parents eating the flesh of their own offspring and then roll over and die. Looking back while on my way to Central Park, I saw fire break out and a heavy wind carried the flames over the city, and all the buildings, wharfs and ships in the harbor were burned. The stench from the burning bodies was carried by the wind across the Hudson River spreading death and destruction wherever it went. The sights that met my view on all sides were so horrible to look upon that it would be impossible for me to describe them.
After these scenes had passed, I found myself standing on the left bank of the Missouri River, just opposite to where stood the City of Independence and soon discovered that the states of Illinois, Missouri, and part of Iowa had been swept clean of its inhabitants and the surrounding country was a complete wilderness.

A short distance across the river, I beheld twelve men dressed in their temple robes standing in a square with their hands raised, and it was made known to me that they represented the twelve gates of the New Jerusalem. They then consecrated the grounds and laid the cornerstones of the city and temple; and while they were doing so, I saw myriads of heavenly angels hovering over them. I heard the most beautiful music and singing that I ever listened to and these were the words they repeated:
“Now is established the Kingdom of our God and His Christ which shall no more be thrown down or given to another people.”

I then saw a multitude of people coming from various directions to take part in the upbuilding of the city and temple and even the angels were on hand to assist in the glorious work. A great cloud arose above them and many of the saints were clothed in their temple robes.
All of a sudden I found myself standing at the pulpit of the Ogden Tabernacle, yet I could see the building of the city of Zion and temple going on and the cloud that hovered above the place.

I had become so animated by this time that I called upon the congregation to listen to the sweet music and singing of the angels that seemed to fill the house. Then I heard a voice say, “Now has come to pass that which was spoken by the mouth of Isaiah the Prophet, where he declares that `Seven women shall take hold of one man saying, We will eat our own bread and wear our own apparel, only let us be called by thy name to take away our reproach.’”

By this time I was so exhausted that I staggered backwards, and Brother Franklin D. Richards and some of the other brethren caught me before I fell. I then asked Brother Richards to apologize for me stopping so abruptly in my remarks, and to tell them that I had not fainted, but was overcome from exhaustion. I then rolled over in bed and the clock in the City and County Building struck twelve.


Source:Wilford Woodruff’s Journal, June 15, 1878, “A Vision, Salt Lake City, Night of Dec 16, 1877″

Does anyone think this will come to a church that was right with God? That has and practises the truth? No, it will come to a church that has made a covenant with death and an agreement with hell. It will come to the LDS Church. It will start in the LDS Church. When one enters the temple and surrenders their agency they are making a covenant with death and enrolling in Lucifer's plan. It does not matter what words are said. It only matters that you have entered Lucifer's plan when you surrender your agency. It is just as simple as that. Remember the blood oaths? That is the Luciferian way. That has been done away with but that is not what leads to damnation. Giving up your agency and being subjected to an organization with a man at the top ... . And what happens when it is the man of sin that is at the top? The overwhelming scourge happens to disannull such an organization, etc.

I have known who the devil is for decades. My PB even says that I know who he is. The Church is wrong that he never incarnated. He did incarnate, lived and died thousands of years ago. From his line will come the false prophet that would start a church. The false prophet has come and he did start a church. The church of Lucifer is alive and well on planet earth. It is a little horn but it will be world wide one day.

It is hopeless educating the people. They won't hear. The overwhelming scourge will come.
So you think that Joseph Smith is the descendent of Lucifer, a false prophet who would start a church. And you know this from a Patriarchal Blessing received from someone who ultimately got their priesthood from.... Joseph Smith.
Yep... makes perfect sense.
So you are also saying God could not have answered my prayer.
Yep.

Re: God will make lemonade of the Church

Posted: August 29th, 2019, 12:14 pm
by Michael Sherwin
Robin Hood wrote: August 29th, 2019, 11:46 am
Michael Sherwin wrote: August 29th, 2019, 11:44 am
Robin Hood wrote: August 29th, 2019, 11:40 am
Michael Sherwin wrote: August 27th, 2019, 7:48 pm A Vision of President John Taylor (1877)
The Vision of John Taylor ...(Vision 1)
As related by Wilford Woodruff
Salt Lake City, Utah, Dec 16, 1877

I retired to bed about half past nine. That evening I had been reading a revelation contained in the Doctrine and Covenants and my mind was calmer if possible than usual. I could not sleep. I felt a dreamy feeling coming over me, and soon I became partially unconscious as to where I was.

Presently I discovered that I was in the Ogden Tabernacle sitting on a back seat to avoid being called upon to speak. After the second hymn was sung, I was called to the stand. I arose and said that I did not know that I had anything special to say further than to bear my testimony as to the truthfulness of the Gospel. Then I seemed to be lifted, as it were, out of myself and said, “Yes, I have something to say which is this: Some of the brethren have been asking me concerning coming events, and I will now tell you some of the things which will shortly come to pass.”

I then found myself wandering about the streets of Salt Lake City and noticed on the doors of every house, including my own, badges of mourning, and said to myself, can it be possible that I am dead? Just then I heard a voice say, “No, you will live through it all.” No one seemed to be passing along the streets and everything was as still as death, except the prayers of the people that could be heard in the houses. I saw no funerals, and the scourge or whatever it was, seemed to be under control. I then looked over the country; in every direction as far as I could see, a similar condition prevailed. I then passed eastward above the earth and looking down saw many people coming west, mostly women who were carrying small bundles on their backs, and I thought it strange that there were so few men among them. They were on their way to the mountains, and I wondered how they could get there as the railroads were abandoned and the rails were in bad condition. I continued on my way passing through Omaha, Council Bluffs, and Iowa, and saw many women moving about in an excited manner

Sickness and death prevailed on all sides. The inhabitants of Illinois and Missouri were (were) in dreadful condition, the men and women killing each other in the most brutal manner.

Next I visited the City of Washington, D.C., and found the place deserted and in ruins. From there I went to Baltimore and on the square, where stands the monument of 1812, dead bodies of the inhabitants of the place were piled in heaps. While there I saw mothers cut the throats of their own children and drink the blood in order to quench their thirst. The waters of the Chesapeake Bay were so befouled from the effect of dead bodies that the water could not be used. Sickness and death prevailed throughout the city and the stench was something awful. I thought surely that this must be the end of suffering, but when I visited the City of Philadelphia, I found the place in ruins and the smell from dead bodies was beyond anything one could imagine.

In New York I saw men crawl out of cellars, ravish beautiful women, kill them and rob them of their jewels. I saw parents eating the flesh of their own offspring and then roll over and die. Looking back while on my way to Central Park, I saw fire break out and a heavy wind carried the flames over the city, and all the buildings, wharfs and ships in the harbor were burned. The stench from the burning bodies was carried by the wind across the Hudson River spreading death and destruction wherever it went. The sights that met my view on all sides were so horrible to look upon that it would be impossible for me to describe them.
After these scenes had passed, I found myself standing on the left bank of the Missouri River, just opposite to where stood the City of Independence and soon discovered that the states of Illinois, Missouri, and part of Iowa had been swept clean of its inhabitants and the surrounding country was a complete wilderness.

A short distance across the river, I beheld twelve men dressed in their temple robes standing in a square with their hands raised, and it was made known to me that they represented the twelve gates of the New Jerusalem. They then consecrated the grounds and laid the cornerstones of the city and temple; and while they were doing so, I saw myriads of heavenly angels hovering over them. I heard the most beautiful music and singing that I ever listened to and these were the words they repeated:
“Now is established the Kingdom of our God and His Christ which shall no more be thrown down or given to another people.”

I then saw a multitude of people coming from various directions to take part in the upbuilding of the city and temple and even the angels were on hand to assist in the glorious work. A great cloud arose above them and many of the saints were clothed in their temple robes.
All of a sudden I found myself standing at the pulpit of the Ogden Tabernacle, yet I could see the building of the city of Zion and temple going on and the cloud that hovered above the place.

I had become so animated by this time that I called upon the congregation to listen to the sweet music and singing of the angels that seemed to fill the house. Then I heard a voice say, “Now has come to pass that which was spoken by the mouth of Isaiah the Prophet, where he declares that `Seven women shall take hold of one man saying, We will eat our own bread and wear our own apparel, only let us be called by thy name to take away our reproach.’”

By this time I was so exhausted that I staggered backwards, and Brother Franklin D. Richards and some of the other brethren caught me before I fell. I then asked Brother Richards to apologize for me stopping so abruptly in my remarks, and to tell them that I had not fainted, but was overcome from exhaustion. I then rolled over in bed and the clock in the City and County Building struck twelve.


Source:Wilford Woodruff’s Journal, June 15, 1878, “A Vision, Salt Lake City, Night of Dec 16, 1877″

Does anyone think this will come to a church that was right with God? That has and practises the truth? No, it will come to a church that has made a covenant with death and an agreement with hell. It will come to the LDS Church. It will start in the LDS Church. When one enters the temple and surrenders their agency they are making a covenant with death and enrolling in Lucifer's plan. It does not matter what words are said. It only matters that you have entered Lucifer's plan when you surrender your agency. It is just as simple as that. Remember the blood oaths? That is the Luciferian way. That has been done away with but that is not what leads to damnation. Giving up your agency and being subjected to an organization with a man at the top ... . And what happens when it is the man of sin that is at the top? The overwhelming scourge happens to disannull such an organization, etc.

I have known who the devil is for decades. My PB even says that I know who he is. The Church is wrong that he never incarnated. He did incarnate, lived and died thousands of years ago. From his line will come the false prophet that would start a church. The false prophet has come and he did start a church. The church of Lucifer is alive and well on planet earth. It is a little horn but it will be world wide one day.

It is hopeless educating the people. They won't hear. The overwhelming scourge will come.
So you think that Joseph Smith is the descendent of Lucifer, a false prophet who would start a church. And you know this from a Patriarchal Blessing received from someone who ultimately got their priesthood from.... Joseph Smith.
Yep... makes perfect sense.
So you are also saying God could not have answered my prayer.
Yep.
Mark 3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:

Mark 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.


To say God could not have answered my prayer whether he did or not is blasphemy against the Holy Ghost.

Re: God will make lemonade of the Church

Posted: August 29th, 2019, 1:30 pm
by The Airbender
jmack wrote: August 29th, 2019, 9:20 am
The Airbender wrote: August 28th, 2019, 6:34 pm
jmack wrote: August 28th, 2019, 9:00 am
The Airbender wrote: August 27th, 2019, 10:07 pm



To be clear, we will never build Zion until we have begun to live again the things we abandoned in 1890.
What is it about the allure of practicing polygamy? So many have left the church and some even started their own so they could get more than one woman to have sex with them and pretend it's a godly thing to do. It was never meant to replace the Lord’s standard of marriage, but to be temporary, to raise seed. It was part of the restoration of all things and was stopped when the time came. Let it go, before it drives you crazy because if you look at the eventual outcome of those who have done it after it was forbidden, for many it is horrible. Murder, abuse, oppression, sexual deviance, ignorance and fear, suffering of innocents. For the lucky ones it still removes them from the true Church to wander in strange paths. Do yourself a favor and don't dwell on the desires you may feel, don't entertain those thoughts.
I listed several reasons and most latched on to plural marriage. There have been many, many discussions on that topic here. Let’s not make this about plural marriage. But I will say you do not understand the nature of the thing or the motivation if that’s what you believe. And you must have never studied what the prophets have said about it or if you did you don’t believe them.
You must have latched onto all the peripheral speculation (not scripural in the least) that was taught to encourage the members to practice it. All that bunk about needing it to get into the uppermost part of the Celestial kingdom, needing at least three wives to qualify, trying to mollify the women that they'll have a higher status in the hearafter sealed to a polygamist than in monogamy, telling the miserable first wife that her position in heaven will be secured and she'll be higher rank than the rest. You know who still clings to those worldly and obviously false notions that were no better than pseudospiritualpropaganda? Fundamentalist polygamists who are still desperately trying to distinguish themselves as special and elite.And a handful of members who are planning their future harems. :geek:
No. None of the things you listed have to do with why I believe as I do.

Re: God will make lemonade of the Church

Posted: August 29th, 2019, 3:12 pm
by BeNotDeceived
Robin Hood wrote: August 29th, 2019, 11:40 am
Michael Sherwin wrote: August 27th, 2019, 7:48 pm
I have known who the devil is for decades. My PB even says that I know who he is. The Church is wrong that he never incarnated. He did incarnate, lived and died thousands of years ago. From his line will come the false prophet that would start a church. The false prophet has come and he did start a church. The church of Lucifer is alive and well on planet earth. It is a little horn but it will be world wide one day.

It is hopeless educating the people. They won't hear. The overwhelming scourge will come.
So you think that Joseph Smith is the descendent of Lucifer, a false prophet who would start a church. And you know this from a Patriarchal Blessing received from someone who ultimately got their priesthood from.... Joseph Smith.
Yep... makes perfect sense.

In other news, Hilary Clinton reveals that she voted for Donald Trump and that the two of them are planning to elope.
Originally , but not as amended under the constitution We’d endure Hildabeast as VP. :geek:

Hillary , but not Hildabeast except tuples trump all. :mrgreen:

Re: God will make lemonade of the Church

Posted: August 29th, 2019, 3:38 pm
by Robin Hood
Michael Sherwin wrote: August 29th, 2019, 12:14 pm
Robin Hood wrote: August 29th, 2019, 11:46 am
Michael Sherwin wrote: August 29th, 2019, 11:44 am
Robin Hood wrote: August 29th, 2019, 11:40 am

So you think that Joseph Smith is the descendent of Lucifer, a false prophet who would start a church. And you know this from a Patriarchal Blessing received from someone who ultimately got their priesthood from.... Joseph Smith.
Yep... makes perfect sense.
So you are also saying God could not have answered my prayer.
Yep.
Mark 3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:

Mark 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.


To say God could not have answered my prayer whether he did or not is blasphemy against the Holy Ghost.
No it's not, don't be so bloody daft.

Re: God will make lemonade of the Church

Posted: August 29th, 2019, 4:09 pm
by gangbusters
Robin Hood wrote: August 29th, 2019, 3:38 pm
Michael Sherwin wrote: August 29th, 2019, 12:14 pm
Robin Hood wrote: August 29th, 2019, 11:46 am
Michael Sherwin wrote: August 29th, 2019, 11:44 am

So you are also saying God could not have answered my prayer.
Yep.
Mark 3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:

Mark 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.


To say God could not have answered my prayer whether he did or not is blasphemy against the Holy Ghost.
No it's not, don't be so bloody daft.
Hey vicar! Isn't bloody a bad word where you're from??

Re: God will make lemonade of the Church

Posted: August 29th, 2019, 4:15 pm
by Michael Sherwin
Robin Hood wrote: August 29th, 2019, 3:38 pm
Michael Sherwin wrote: August 29th, 2019, 12:14 pm
Robin Hood wrote: August 29th, 2019, 11:46 am
Michael Sherwin wrote: August 29th, 2019, 11:44 am

So you are also saying God could not have answered my prayer.
Yep.
Mark 3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:

Mark 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.


To say God could not have answered my prayer whether he did or not is blasphemy against the Holy Ghost.
No it's not.
Don't be so bloody daft.
Well you can just say anything you want to can't you. You can say, 'I don't believe God answered your prayer' and you are entitled and I couldn't complain because you are allowed to believe anything you want. But you are saying (tongue in cheek maybe) that God could not have answered my prayer. God answers prayers via the Holy Ghost. So if God wanted to answer my prayer but couldn't then you are saying the Holy Ghost couldn't. That is blasphemy. And it is against the Holy Ghost. Now it may not have been your intent to blaspheme the Holy Ghost and I don't know if you get points subtracted for that but words have meaning and we are held accountable for our words. So if all you can say is, "No it's not. Don't be so bloody daft" means you don't care if your words slight the Lord. It shows you have a lack of piety for the Lord because you do not chose your words more carefully. You may have the last word.

Re: God will make lemonade of the Church

Posted: August 29th, 2019, 11:55 pm
by Robin Hood
Michael Sherwin wrote: August 29th, 2019, 4:15 pm
Robin Hood wrote: August 29th, 2019, 3:38 pm
Michael Sherwin wrote: August 29th, 2019, 12:14 pm
Robin Hood wrote: August 29th, 2019, 11:46 am

Yep.
Mark 3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:

Mark 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation.


To say God could not have answered my prayer whether he did or not is blasphemy against the Holy Ghost.
No it's not.
Don't be so bloody daft.
Well you can just say anything you want to can't you. You can say, 'I don't believe God answered your prayer' and you are entitled and I couldn't complain because you are allowed to believe anything you want. But you are saying (tongue in cheek maybe) that God could not have answered my prayer. God answers prayers via the Holy Ghost. So if God wanted to answer my prayer but couldn't then you are saying the Holy Ghost couldn't. That is blasphemy. And it is against the Holy Ghost. Now it may not have been your intent to blaspheme the Holy Ghost and I don't know if you get points subtracted for that but words have meaning and we are held accountable for our words. So if all you can say is, "No it's not. Don't be so bloody daft" means you don't care if your words slight the Lord. It shows you have a lack of piety for the Lord because you do not chose your words more carefully. You may have the last word.
We have had some silly posts on this forum over the years. But to say that someone is a son of perdition because they don't believe you is an absolute peach. Top of the premier league of silly posts.
I believe you're clearly unhinged and have an inflated opinion of yourself.

So here's a question for you.
What about all those who claim to have received an answer to prayer which is the opposite of yours, i.e. the majority of people on this forum?
I take it they're all wrong and you're right. Not only that, but if they dare to say that your "answer to prayer" is not from God they're damned to perdition. So much for agency.

Your position is more than ridiculous and I'm surprised you can't see that.