OK, believe that it's the wrong question if you like. I've come to the conclusion that this is the only question that really matters.jmack wrote: ↑September 4th, 2019, 8:12 amThat’s the wrong question. Have I experienced real charity? Do I know how it feels? Do I know the Master's vioce? You only know the master you serve. He loves us and sometimes he chastens us, I know that myself. The Master's voice is not in poe's writing, that I can discern, I'm not going to pretend to humor him or anyone else here. I don't mock him because I don't know his heart and why he does this. But neither is he who he claims to be, regardless.Valo wrote: ↑August 28th, 2019, 9:17 amYes, because He loves us He will bring us low.jmack wrote: ↑August 28th, 2019, 9:13 amAnd still the Lord loves us, he died for us lowly sinful, flawed people and he continually calls us to strive to be like him and follow him, that love is what's missing from poe111. Because he's claiming to be the Lord but is obviously not, I think I'd rather read actual scriptures to receive the Lord's messages to us.Valo wrote: ↑August 28th, 2019, 9:01 am What tpoe111 is saying makes sense to me because the Holy Scriptures say the same thing.
Tpoe111 is saying that us LDS are mostly hypocrites. We haven't established Zion, we have rejected the principles of charity in favor of a lower law because of unbelief.
We don't really believe our own doctrine.
We are blind to this fact. We think we are special, in a better position than others because, well, we have our temples and our priesthoods, and our special rituals, and ordinances, and we spend our time doing these activities, yet we judge and neglect the weak, the poor, the downtrodden, the ill, the sick, the strange, the ones who God made different, the abused, etc.
We mock, we ridicule, we put down, we bicker, we fight, we focus our time and energy on things that will fade away in time.
Only a few have the true spirit of Christ in them.
Mankind is prone to be haughty and prideful until they are brought low and for their sakes, mankind will be brought low until they remember again their God, remember again their true covenants, until they remember again Zion
Valo
God does that from time to time.
Point is, do you have charity? Real charity?
It's been almost 200 years and no Zion.
Valo
Whatever you wanna say, everything that has been written by this person is echoed in the Holy Scriptures. EVERYTHING!
The point is that the Church is living in error because we have not established Zion. The Church is not set apart. We are no more special than any other Christian denomination out there. Don't talk theory, talk reality.
Valo