LDS Freedom Forum

Intro: Name: Chris, Married: Yes, Seattle Temple 8 years Kids: Yes 3; 2 boys and a girl Occupation: full time student of Chiropractic and the healing arts Where: Dallas Tx.
Well I have been lurking here for a while now... I never post, most of you may understand my desire for anonymity, especially if you are undergoing the same course of study that I have been under going for the past 10 years. I picked up a copy of the great work "None Dare Call it Conspiracy" at a garage sale of my former YM advisor just after my mission in 1997. He saw me looking at it and said "Chirs you want that? You can have it. It'll change your life." He was right. I was already interested in the NWO and the "new slavery" which I saw all around me. I thought a few times to write a book about the things I was feeling, a book to open peoples eyes to what is going on around them. I wanted to show the people the system of slavery that is keeping us all from the greatness within each of us. A system that divides us even though the truth brings us together and makes us one and as a people we still don’t see it. I would from time to time get started on my book but then to discover the thoughts I had, had already been covered by someone else with more experience and knowledge than me. So I read and I talked to those close to me, as it is expedient of a man that has been warned to warn his neighbor. My eyes have been open from the time I can remember and I've seen the problem with the system implemented by that king of liars to trap us and bind us down as well. I know that the gospel of Jesus Christ is the answer to the problem just as well as I know the power of the Priesthood is the power by which this war is/will be fought and eventually won.
Went I speak to people concerning the things that have been brought to my knowledge and the depth and breadth of the combination and offer them the “red pill” to awaken them to an awful sense of their situation, they readily accept the red pill and enter the search for this line of truth. When confronted with the awful truth they undoubtedly look at me with broken and lost glances some near to tears and ask me “what do we do?” Ah, I think to myself they have progressed to the next stage and affirm that there is in fact a problem. Actually they are ready for the next stage, which is to act. At this point I tell them (if they are LDS) that they have been given the answer already as a matter of fact if they grew up in the church they probably knew the answer before entering the public school system. It is this my friend we must read the scriptures, we must follow the Prophet, we must attend our Sunday meetings, we must have FHE, we must pray night and day and overtime in between, (didn’t we, nearly every week, roll our eyes and repeat this same message as we grew in those early years in the Church). We did not at that time fully comprehend the message and the strength there of, that was re-presented to us week after week but I say unto you now that we have our answer. Even the weakest of mind among us can grasp those few principles and observe them. The Gospel is simple brothers and sisters and it will lead us back to live with Him. I am so glad to have found a community with in my faith that is dedicated to seeking the truth as am I, and as always I am glad to know that the truth leads us home.
I have been in school full time for the past 4 years to become a Chiropractor and my Educational path has mirrored my spiritual path. I have met may wise guides on the way both in undergrad and in chiro school. I was in a seminar when one of these wise teachers spoke of the secret combination from his own point of view. A man of great intelligence and knowledge, he knew how the world worked, until that point I did not see the full picture, that I can see now. I saw random instances of the combination never did I put them all together and never did I see that anyone at all could see them if they looked. He however did and he connected the dots he knew who the master of the combinations was and called on each one in the room to use our power as healers to fight back against the evil that is being perpetrated upon the people of the world. To fight against the attack that is being made on our health and the health of our children (if you don’t know ask). I promised my friend then and many times since that I would stand and fight (just as we all did heretofore). This call to fight came from a good man out side of the Church without the authority but it is the call of a brother and it is a true cause for action. We must all heed the call to fight because this is indeed our fight. Knowing that the call of my friend was an honest and true call for action helped to show me that as we learn all truth is one eternal round and everyone is entitled to that truth as a child of God. The fact that he found the same conspiracy from his point of view as I had seen from mine was a revelation to me, it has been found every time it pokes its ugly head up out of the hole it came from. All the good people see though is there own dealings with it not the big picture.
As the noose tightens around our collective neck most people in the world (LDS included) are blinded by the trivial things of this world (gods/idols/junk) they are working too much to pay too many credit card bills they eat more than they should and don’t follow the other points of the W of W, they drive fancy new cars to keep them selves in debt they buy houses much bigger than they need just to appear well off. They spend their free time in search of pleasure not in service. They desecrate their personal temples and defile the work of God. They spend their free time in search of the naked human form on the Internet perverting the true desires for a family, instead of searching for truth and seeking for pearls of knowledge. In short, as this list could go on for weeks but I am sure you get my point, they sell their noble birthright for potage.
Well, what’s my point? I know the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the restored church of the Son of God. The Priesthood has been given us in these days to use for the good of all mankind, the Scriptures and the words of our Prophets are given to us to lead us as literally as we can understand them. The spirit is with us as a gift from God to confirm to us all truth and will if we but ask. We are in the midst of a great and dreadful war. Each day we must fight but in the end we must surely win. Take courage my brothers and sisters for victory is ours and in that day we shall rejoice for we shall rest with the Lord once more. Take care to stand in holly places daily that you may be here to further serve the Lord. In loving service, Cjex

P.S. Now I see from the former posters on this topic that they all get hundreds of views but only a few sparse replies so please if you made it this far into my post you pretty well owe me, don’t just click to the next post, reply to what I have said tell me what you think. You read all that you have got to think something.

I almost did not read this because of the title, but you got my curiousity, so I decided if I didn't like the message I would just send a reply that said, "reply". Anyway, it's good that you came out of lurking, and now you can offer some insight and reply to others as well right!?!

Anyhow, I agree with your insights, and I think you are correct that it all boils down to the "sunday school answer" - the monotonous "Pray, read your scriptures, etc" It really is simple to prepare yet we so often put off the simple things in life, or avoid them altogether!

Welcome to the forum!

cjex,

Welcome. Not only do I have a similar story in regards to finally understanding the power of the "Sunday School" answers, I also already think highly of you due to your marriage in the Seattle temple. We lived in that area for about 5 years and it will always be a second home to me.

Did you grow up there?

Anyway, welcome and we look forward to your participation.

Thanks for sharing the experience of your awakening. I wish I had caught on to the secret combinations as early in my life as you have in yours. I hope you will participate on some of the other threads here.

I noticed your join date, and skipped reading your post until now, thinking that you had posted this long ago and for some odd reason someone replied now.

At any rate I agree wholly. I have had the experience of sitting down and writing a few books only to feel that others had written the same things before. I got to the point that I considered not reading what others had written on the subject so that I would not have to omit covering the same ground. It is interesting that when a new concept is revealed to us, that it often comes as revelation that we did not know existed. Then we find that it was hiding all along in some book or talk somewhere waiting for us. How much knowledge is out there waiting for us to prepare to receive it? I wrote a lot and was finally told "Seek not to declare my word but seek first to obtain my word." I needed a good humbling, so I got it.

I have enjoyed posting here as it helps me to try various seeds that have taken root in me. I hope that you will actively assist us all here in testing the fruit that we bring forth and rebuking when neccesary.

Welcome aboard (even though you've been here like forever.)

I read the whole thing. I haven't had much luck getting people to understand the new slavery (that's a great term). Maybe's it's me, my approach, or my friends and family. Probably some combination. I and my family are seen by some as weird. So it's kind of a weird situation to have warned people, who then just think your warning is silly.

It's funny how certain behaviors and beliefs of people who have taken that red pill seem to have things in common. Not to say that everyone is the same on these certain issues, but how many of these seem to go together: homeschooling, eating little meat, knoweledge of the Fed, skeptical of the war of terror, not into taking many or any vaccines, eating organic food, not comsuming fast food or soda, distrust of the media, not watching much TV if any at all. not drinking the city water without filtering. not getting a huge mortgage or incurring a lot of debt. It seems like if you do one of those, chances are you do most of them. I suppose it's because once you buck the status quo, the collective understanding of one thing, you're already "odd" so you may as well buck other things aw well, or perhaps you might be more prone to be looking for other things to buck.

I went to vote in my district here in nice suburban area in Utah and they had all those new electronic voting machines for the first time. I said that I needed a paper ballot. The poll workers were confused. They really didn't know what I meant. I said I wasn't going to vote on the machines. They seriously asked me why, and I told them they weren't secure and they have problems, etc. They looked up what to do in this situation and they one worker showed me her notes from her training where she wrote the question: "What to do in the event that someon refuses to vote on the electronic machines." The answer, from her official training, she wrote: "Tell them tough luck. Next time they should vote absentee." I told her to give me the state elections complaint form. They said they didn't have one (they were nice ladies, just doing what they were told). I told them that they should then give me their names and the information about this polling place. One of the workers said that she would call up (to whomever) and ask if they can't do something. While I waited, another poll worker that I hadn't talked to asked what the problem was. I told him. He was shocked, shocked that wouldn't vote on the machines. He told he that he has been doing this with the machines for two years and never had a problem. I asked him whether he had heard anything about problems with the machines, in California, anywhere, and he said no. I just was baffled. The lady on the phone came back. I asked her if no one had asked for a paper ballot all day (it was like 3pm), and she said no. I said something sarcastic about our "informed populace." The lady on the phone got off the phone and said that I could use a paper ballot and vote proviincial, like what one would do if they were registering to vote and also voting right there on the spot, which I did. Then I left. I told my wife what to do and she went to vote about an hour after me and as soon as she said who she was, the poll workers said, Oh she's the wife of the gentleman that wouldn't use the machines." They were very nice to her, they gave her a ballot, and she had no problem. The one poller worker guy was appologizing to her that the reason it took so long for me to vote was because I came at a busy time, etc. Amazing. These were all good members (I suppose) that were totally clueless. They were almost programmed. And no other voter had even asked for a paper ballot. Eternal vigilance my foot.

The reason I bring up the voting story is to show the sorry state we are in, even in one of the best lds communities. We are being carefully down to hell, and no one seems to even be questioning it. Granted electronic voting machines and not the worst thing and paper ballot won't save us, but how can I get people to wake up, when I can't even convince them that they should voet with paper ballots.

A lot of my inlaws like the restrictions at the airport. They like not knowing what the government does to protect them from terorrists. They don't want to hear the bad stuff that goes on in the name of America. I have been told that they know what I am saying is wrong because it's "felt bad." So any icky stuff that makes you sick to hear must not be true. They don't know evil. They can't recognize it. They see nothing to fight against, and acutally they support it.

Chronic illnesses, overwieght, problem schools, seem to have no effect in getting them to re-think some things. Last Sunday we talked about Daniel refusing to eat the Kings meat and eating pulse instead. The manual says that it was probably wrong to eat that meat because it wasn't prepared right, or that it was probably an offering to the king, and that Daniel was healthier, not because he was eating meat "sparaingly," but because the Lord blessed him for his obedience. he class interpreted it this way, too. No one even brought up the idea that maybe it was because eating a lot meat, let alone only meat, maybe wasn't healthy? Even the footnotes point to the word of wisdom. (But I guess the WoW only means no alcholo, tea, and coffee). I guess when the eunuch made all the boys eat pulse instead of the meat and they excelled, I guess they all were blessed only because of their obedience to the Mosaic Law.

I'm not sure what more I can do. I see parents sending their kids off to school at younger and younger ages, for longer and longer, and filling up their schedules with extracirriculars. When can you take time and think? When are you doing things on your own? When are you exercising your independence? "Support the troops so we can keep our freedom." Yeah, well, I'm not sure anyone knows what being free means anymore.

I think things will get very bad sometime. I think some people will wake up, but I don't even know if the majority will. I trust the Lord is in control and his servants in church leadership or doing according to his will. I just try to live my life, and so far it has been really good. I feel free, more and more so over time. But it's hard when people, family, good members think that that is weird.

I agree whole heartedly with your post Shineon - I just taught that lesson to my kidlets at church two weeks ago, and we focused entirely on the word of wisdom, and specifically I emphasized the promises at the end to them. I always beg them to talk to their parents about it after class, and so far my class of girls always seems very interested in the things we talk about.

I voted on the machines, and still do not trust them. I will keep that in mind next time and demand a paper ballot. I couldn't believe how little was made of the dangers of these machines. They do print out a hard copy, but it doesn't matter if the numbers can be tweaked just enough so no one questions it.

We voted on a paper ballot! Which was then fed into a machine for counting...Oh well, you can't win for losing.

Yes, very good points Shineon, all of them.

How can the God many among us worship be so great if they minimize and trivilize the power and literal works and influence of the adversary.

The GOSPEL is indeed TRUE as are the forces of evil that are much more than a group of terrorists. Thinking optherwise I believe minimizes the acceptance of our reposnsibility and the true power of our Creator that has given us this opportunity to learn and challenge us with much more than just opposing some outside force of evil.

Thank you for the warm welcome all, I look forward to being much more active on this fourm now that my finals are over.

jd... I grew up in Renton and will be moving back there in 4 or 5 months when I am done with school. Where abouts did you live?

Well I will see ya'll soon. Cjex

Do you know any Fergus' in Renton?

cjex wrote:jd... I grew up in Renton and will be moving back there in 4 or 5 months when I am done with school. Where abouts did you live?

We lived in Bellevue for two years (in a small apartment next to the Factoria Mall if you know where that is). When we finally got into a house, the only place we could afford was 30 miles south or 30 miles north. We chose north and spent three other great years in Monroe. I'm from Idaho originally and we are back here now, but we sure loved our time in the Seattle area (although I do have to admit I'm glad I'm not there right now with all the storms, etc.)

Anyway, I look forward to hearing more from you on the forum.