Here's a sign of the times if I've ever seen one
Posted: August 25th, 2019, 9:25 pm
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Re: Here's a sign of the times if I've ever seen one
Posted: August 25th, 2019, 9:34 pm
Simply incredible how quickly that changed. And it's amazing how folks who are pro homosexuality say it's forward thinking. There's the oldest profession and then there's the oldest civilization destroying ideology.
Re: Here's a sign of the times if I've ever seen one
Posted: August 25th, 2019, 9:41 pm
If that's true, society is pretty much doomed.
Funny how it doesn't matter who the president is, for all the strident controversy. Social decay continues unabated, as if it's on a trajectory all its own. Of course, this could the common case of libs polling libs. Probably a good dose of that.
...Science.
Funny how it doesn't matter who the president is, for all the strident controversy. Social decay continues unabated, as if it's on a trajectory all its own. Of course, this could the common case of libs polling libs. Probably a good dose of that.
...Science.
Re: Here's a sign of the times if I've ever seen one
Posted: August 26th, 2019, 2:17 am
When our children come home from school asking us parents about girls kissing girls and boys kissing boys and other ungodly acts, should not that be a sign?
Re: Here's a sign of the times if I've ever seen one
Posted: August 26th, 2019, 4:10 am
The reason for what is happening as far as the "trajectory" that we are on was given by Edgar Casey. He said that all the most vile souls would be born just before the coming of Christ.
Re: Here's a sign of the times if I've ever seen one
Posted: August 26th, 2019, 4:14 am
heyyyy i read about Cayce as wellMichael Sherwin wrote: ↑August 26th, 2019, 4:10 am The reason for what is happening as far as the "trajectory" that we are on was given by Edgar Casey. He said that all the most vial souls would be born just before the coming of Christ.
Re: Here's a sign of the times if I've ever seen one
Posted: August 26th, 2019, 4:41 am
Re: Here's a sign of the times if I've ever seen one
Posted: August 26th, 2019, 7:18 am
Yup, Frances was a weird deal involving a name, and other things that are now a vague memory.User989 wrote: ↑August 26th, 2019, 4:14 amheyyyy i read about Cayce as wellMichael Sherwin wrote: ↑August 26th, 2019, 4:10 am The reason for what is happening as far as the "trajectory" that we are on was given by Edgar Casey. He said that all the most vial souls would be born just before the coming of Christ.
Re: Here's a sign of the times if I've ever seen one
Posted: August 26th, 2019, 7:38 am
A good example of modern technology yielding eyes too see.LDS Physician wrote: ↑August 25th, 2019, 9:25 pm Sort of looks like a couple of crossing eclipse paths, eh?
https://i.redd.it/zlbux9d5jni31.jpg
Anyone know when crossing paths were first plotted with any precision?
Re: Here's a sign of the times if I've ever seen one
Posted: August 26th, 2019, 7:40 am
The other day, my 6-year-old daughter said " Daddy, is this true: <other kids name> said some boys marry boys". You should have heard the confusion in her voice.
While it is true that (legally) some men marry men, the reason I was shocked was because this other kid is the child of prominent ward leader. Why is she learning this from church friends at the age of 6?
Re: Here's a sign of the times if I've ever seen one
Posted: August 26th, 2019, 8:02 am
We are toast! Time to bring in the bulldozers and make this earth a parking lot.LDS Physician wrote: ↑August 25th, 2019, 9:25 pm Sort of looks like a couple of crossing eclipse paths, eh?
https://i.redd.it/zlbux9d5jni31.jpg
Re: Here's a sign of the times if I've ever seen one
Posted: August 26th, 2019, 9:03 am
“Vial souls”? Are they test tube babies then?Michael Sherwin wrote: ↑August 26th, 2019, 4:10 am The reason for what is happening as far as the "trajectory" that we are on was given by Edgar Casey. He said that all the most vial souls would be born just before the coming of Christ.
Re: Here's a sign of the times if I've ever seen one
Posted: August 26th, 2019, 9:20 am
Mormons Building Bridges has a post with the idea that a Primary teacher can make Froot Loop necklaces with her class, while teaching them about Pride, and calling them Pride necklaces. Just sick.Mahalanobis Distance wrote: ↑August 26th, 2019, 7:40 amThe other day, my 6-year-old daughter said " Daddy, is this true: <other kids name> said some boys marry boys". You should have heard the confusion in her voice.
While it is true that (legally) some men marry men, the reason I was shocked was because this other kid is the child of prominent ward leader. Why is she learning this from church friends at the age of 6?
Why can a Tabernacle Choir singer, a Salt Lake Temple ordinance worker, bishops, YM and YW leaders, and Primary teachers (among others) openly endorse gay marriage, and total inclusion of all LGBTQ in the church (even those acting on it) and not be facing any church discipline? They post under their own names. They are very open and aboveboard about what they are doing. They keep their temple recommends, while a minor word of wisdom infraction will get your recommend snatched away.
Re: Here's a sign of the times if I've ever seen one
Posted: August 26th, 2019, 9:49 am
It's interesting that the start of the major downturn of the intolerance and uptick of the tolerance coincides with the end of the cold war when we entered into the "3rd Way", i.e., merging the best (so-called) of the Communist and Capitalist worlds into one.
In other words, the focus on fighting a real, outward enemy on all fronts, was removed and then replaced w/the PTB focusing on changing society after their hearts desire. We are now seeing the effects and 'fruit' of this new focus.
In other words, the focus on fighting a real, outward enemy on all fronts, was removed and then replaced w/the PTB focusing on changing society after their hearts desire. We are now seeing the effects and 'fruit' of this new focus.
Re: Here's a sign of the times if I've ever seen one
Posted: August 26th, 2019, 10:04 am
No offense, but that chart looks really fake and I question the origins of their data. On top of that, remember the three types lies...
Re: Here's a sign of the times if I've ever seen one
Posted: August 26th, 2019, 10:18 am
It looks weird that the "Almost always wrong" hasn't changed much, whereas "Always wrong" has changed in such a dramatic fashion.
Re: Here's a sign of the times if I've ever seen one
Posted: August 26th, 2019, 10:29 am
Re: Here's a sign of the times if I've ever seen one
Posted: August 26th, 2019, 10:54 am
That's a rhetorical question, right?Lizzy60 wrote: ↑August 26th, 2019, 9:20 amMormons Building Bridges has a post with the idea that a Primary teacher can make Froot Loop necklaces with her class, while teaching them about Pride, and calling them Pride necklaces. Just sick.Mahalanobis Distance wrote: ↑August 26th, 2019, 7:40 amThe other day, my 6-year-old daughter said " Daddy, is this true: <other kids name> said some boys marry boys". You should have heard the confusion in her voice.
While it is true that (legally) some men marry men, the reason I was shocked was because this other kid is the child of prominent ward leader. Why is she learning this from church friends at the age of 6?
Why can a Tabernacle Choir singer, a Salt Lake Temple ordinance worker, bishops, YM and YW leaders, and Primary teachers (among others) openly endorse gay marriage, and total inclusion of all LGBTQ in the church (even those acting on it) and not be facing any church discipline? They post under their own names. They are very open and aboveboard about what they are doing. They keep their temple recommends, while a minor word of wisdom infraction will get your recommend snatched away.
Re: Here's a sign of the times if I've ever seen one
Posted: August 26th, 2019, 12:11 pm
Gee, I make one mistake in 287 post and someone has to be sure to call me on it, lol. It was 4:10 am. I'm surprised I did not make a half dozen more mistakes. Anyway, who knows, maybe God does create souls in test tubes. At least the most vile anyway.ori wrote: ↑August 26th, 2019, 9:03 am“Vial souls”? Are they test tube babies then?Michael Sherwin wrote: ↑August 26th, 2019, 4:10 am The reason for what is happening as far as the "trajectory" that we are on was given by Edgar Casey. He said that all the most vial souls would be born just before the coming of Christ.
Re: Here's a sign of the times if I've ever seen one
Posted: August 26th, 2019, 12:27 pm
But what about when a YW leader in a lesson on the proclamation have girls crying that they don't belong in this church. It is sad when our youth are being weeded out of the church in their youth. I guess we need to get used to the idea of a small church, kindof like the idea that only a few, single digit percentages, will go to the celestial kingdom. How did this sneak into our culture?Lizzy60 wrote: ↑August 26th, 2019, 9:20 amMormons Building Bridges has a post with the idea that a Primary teacher can make Froot Loop necklaces with her class, while teaching them about Pride, and calling them Pride necklaces. Just sick.Mahalanobis Distance wrote: ↑August 26th, 2019, 7:40 amThe other day, my 6-year-old daughter said " Daddy, is this true: <other kids name> said some boys marry boys". You should have heard the confusion in her voice.
While it is true that (legally) some men marry men, the reason I was shocked was because this other kid is the child of prominent ward leader. Why is she learning this from church friends at the age of 6?
Why can a Tabernacle Choir singer, a Salt Lake Temple ordinance worker, bishops, YM and YW leaders, and Primary teachers (among others) openly endorse gay marriage, and total inclusion of all LGBTQ in the church (even those acting on it) and not be facing any church discipline? They post under their own names. They are very open and aboveboard about what they are doing. They keep their temple recommends, while a minor word of wisdom infraction will get your recommend snatched away.
Re: Here's a sign of the times if I've ever seen one
Posted: August 26th, 2019, 1:11 pm
Either same-sex marriage, and same-sex sexual activity is a sin, or it's not. If it's a sinful activity, then it is the obligation of the church to teach this. Otherwise, they are leading the youth into the devil's clutches. If it's NOT a sin, then we need to have a revelation from God to the First Presidency and Q12 that what has been taught in the past is incorrect. We need to open the doors of the sealing rooms to homosexual marriages, or we need to teach the youth that homosexual sexual activity is sinful. This is a two-way doctrine. I don't see any gray area.justme wrote: ↑August 26th, 2019, 12:27 pmBut what about when a YW leader in a lesson on the proclamation have girls crying that they don't belong in this church. It is sad when our youth are being weeded out of the church in their youth. I guess we need to get used to the idea of a small church, kindof like the idea that only a few, single digit percentages, will go to the celestial kingdom. How did this sneak into our culture?Lizzy60 wrote: ↑August 26th, 2019, 9:20 amMormons Building Bridges has a post with the idea that a Primary teacher can make Froot Loop necklaces with her class, while teaching them about Pride, and calling them Pride necklaces. Just sick.Mahalanobis Distance wrote: ↑August 26th, 2019, 7:40 amThe other day, my 6-year-old daughter said " Daddy, is this true: <other kids name> said some boys marry boys". You should have heard the confusion in her voice.
While it is true that (legally) some men marry men, the reason I was shocked was because this other kid is the child of prominent ward leader. Why is she learning this from church friends at the age of 6?
Why can a Tabernacle Choir singer, a Salt Lake Temple ordinance worker, bishops, YM and YW leaders, and Primary teachers (among others) openly endorse gay marriage, and total inclusion of all LGBTQ in the church (even those acting on it) and not be facing any church discipline? They post under their own names. They are very open and aboveboard about what they are doing. They keep their temple recommends, while a minor word of wisdom infraction will get your recommend snatched away.
I don't understand your final question -- how did what sneak into our culture?
Re: Here's a sign of the times if I've ever seen one
Posted: August 26th, 2019, 3:42 pm
Elitism: on an institutional and eternal level.Lizzy60 wrote: ↑August 26th, 2019, 1:11 pmEither same-sex marriage, and same-sex sexual activity is a sin, or it's not. If it's a sinful activity, then it is the obligation of the church to teach this. Otherwise, they are leading the youth into the devil's clutches. If it's NOT a sin, then we need to have a revelation from God to the First Presidency and Q12 that what has been taught in the past is incorrect. We need to open the doors of the sealing rooms to homosexual marriages, or we need to teach the youth that homosexual sexual activity is sinful. This is a two-way doctrine. I don't see any gray area.justme wrote: ↑August 26th, 2019, 12:27 pmBut what about when a YW leader in a lesson on the proclamation have girls crying that they don't belong in this church. It is sad when our youth are being weeded out of the church in their youth. I guess we need to get used to the idea of a small church, kindof like the idea that only a few, single digit percentages, will go to the celestial kingdom. How did this sneak into our culture?Lizzy60 wrote: ↑August 26th, 2019, 9:20 amMormons Building Bridges has a post with the idea that a Primary teacher can make Froot Loop necklaces with her class, while teaching them about Pride, and calling them Pride necklaces. Just sick.Mahalanobis Distance wrote: ↑August 26th, 2019, 7:40 am
The other day, my 6-year-old daughter said " Daddy, is this true: <other kids name> said some boys marry boys". You should have heard the confusion in her voice.
While it is true that (legally) some men marry men, the reason I was shocked was because this other kid is the child of prominent ward leader. Why is she learning this from church friends at the age of 6?
Why can a Tabernacle Choir singer, a Salt Lake Temple ordinance worker, bishops, YM and YW leaders, and Primary teachers (among others) openly endorse gay marriage, and total inclusion of all LGBTQ in the church (even those acting on it) and not be facing any church discipline? They post under their own names. They are very open and aboveboard about what they are doing. They keep their temple recommends, while a minor word of wisdom infraction will get your recommend snatched away.
I don't understand your final question -- how did what sneak into our culture?
I grew up as a youth in the church thinking very strongly that I simply would never make the celestial kingdom. That only a very few around me would like the stake patriarch and his wife, maybe one or two more. I had a testimony of the gospel but not of me. I finally realized years later as a missionary that it the devil lying in my ears that the gospel was only meant for a few. I have now adopted a very universal view of the gospel. But there are still people outright teaching the elitist view. You can find quotes from authorities that the majority of people will go to the telestial kingdom (thus hell) and others speculating 10 percent or less in the celestial kingdom. Many insist that the phrase a third part means 33 percent (hint: it doesn't). We are very elitist in our culture and in our interpretation of scriptures and doctrine. How do we comfort are youth that are actively discarded by their church leaders and teachers?
I agree, Lizzy, that somethings are sins. But everylast single one of us besides the savior are sinners. Why do we pick and choose which sins are allowed for membership?
Re: Here's a sign of the times if I've ever seen one
Posted: August 26th, 2019, 5:35 pm
I agree with some of these points. I have no problem accepting people at church and letting all worship with me (including racists and the whatnot). I'm okay teaching Grace for all and Resurrection for all who keep their first estate. What I'm not okay with is softening the definition of a sin in order to make everyone feel good.justme wrote: ↑August 26th, 2019, 3:42 pmElitism: on an institutional and eternal level.Lizzy60 wrote: ↑August 26th, 2019, 1:11 pmEither same-sex marriage, and same-sex sexual activity is a sin, or it's not. If it's a sinful activity, then it is the obligation of the church to teach this. Otherwise, they are leading the youth into the devil's clutches. If it's NOT a sin, then we need to have a revelation from God to the First Presidency and Q12 that what has been taught in the past is incorrect. We need to open the doors of the sealing rooms to homosexual marriages, or we need to teach the youth that homosexual sexual activity is sinful. This is a two-way doctrine. I don't see any gray area.justme wrote: ↑August 26th, 2019, 12:27 pmBut what about when a YW leader in a lesson on the proclamation have girls crying that they don't belong in this church. It is sad when our youth are being weeded out of the church in their youth. I guess we need to get used to the idea of a small church, kindof like the idea that only a few, single digit percentages, will go to the celestial kingdom. How did this sneak into our culture?Lizzy60 wrote: ↑August 26th, 2019, 9:20 am
Mormons Building Bridges has a post with the idea that a Primary teacher can make Froot Loop necklaces with her class, while teaching them about Pride, and calling them Pride necklaces. Just sick.
Why can a Tabernacle Choir singer, a Salt Lake Temple ordinance worker, bishops, YM and YW leaders, and Primary teachers (among others) openly endorse gay marriage, and total inclusion of all LGBTQ in the church (even those acting on it) and not be facing any church discipline? They post under their own names. They are very open and aboveboard about what they are doing. They keep their temple recommends, while a minor word of wisdom infraction will get your recommend snatched away.
I don't understand your final question -- how did what sneak into our culture?
I grew up as a youth in the church thinking very strongly that I simply would never make the celestial kingdom. That only a very few around me would like the stake patriarch and his wife, maybe one or two more. I had a testimony of the gospel but not of me. I finally realized years later as a missionary that it the devil lying in my ears that the gospel was only meant for a few. I have now adopted a very universal view of the gospel. But there are still people outright teaching the elitist view. You can find quotes from authorities that the majority of people will go to the telestial kingdom (thus hell) and others speculating 10 percent or less in the celestial kingdom. Many insist that the phrase a third part means 33 percent (hint: it doesn't). We are very elitist in our culture and in our interpretation of scriptures and doctrine. How do we comfort are youth that are actively discarded by their church leaders and teachers?
I agree, Lizzy, that somethings are sins. But everylast single one of us besides the savior are sinners. Why do we pick and choose which sins are allowed for membership?
Also, just because there's a hierarchy, doesn't make it elitist. There is a hierarchy in heaven and I'm okay with not making it to the top. I think Satan was the one who had a problem accepting that.
Re: Here's a sign of the times if I've ever seen one
Posted: August 26th, 2019, 5:45 pm
Maybe it is just a deeply entrenched character flaw in me but I bristle at the very notion of a hierarchy in any form. This includes church structure and career. I simply do not care for the concept of authority, leadership, or hierarchy. I hope the next life is different. My personal view of the Plan as taught in DC 76 is different.Mahalanobis Distance wrote: ↑August 26th, 2019, 5:35 pmI agree with some of these points. I have no problem accepting people at church and letting all worship with me (including racists and the whatnot). I'm okay teaching Grace for all and Resurrection for all who keep their first estate. What I'm not okay with is softening the definition of a sin in order to make everyone feel good.justme wrote: ↑August 26th, 2019, 3:42 pmElitism: on an institutional and eternal level.Lizzy60 wrote: ↑August 26th, 2019, 1:11 pmEither same-sex marriage, and same-sex sexual activity is a sin, or it's not. If it's a sinful activity, then it is the obligation of the church to teach this. Otherwise, they are leading the youth into the devil's clutches. If it's NOT a sin, then we need to have a revelation from God to the First Presidency and Q12 that what has been taught in the past is incorrect. We need to open the doors of the sealing rooms to homosexual marriages, or we need to teach the youth that homosexual sexual activity is sinful. This is a two-way doctrine. I don't see any gray area.justme wrote: ↑August 26th, 2019, 12:27 pm
But what about when a YW leader in a lesson on the proclamation have girls crying that they don't belong in this church. It is sad when our youth are being weeded out of the church in their youth. I guess we need to get used to the idea of a small church, kindof like the idea that only a few, single digit percentages, will go to the celestial kingdom. How did this sneak into our culture?
I don't understand your final question -- how did what sneak into our culture?
I grew up as a youth in the church thinking very strongly that I simply would never make the celestial kingdom. That only a very few around me would like the stake patriarch and his wife, maybe one or two more. I had a testimony of the gospel but not of me. I finally realized years later as a missionary that it the devil lying in my ears that the gospel was only meant for a few. I have now adopted a very universal view of the gospel. But there are still people outright teaching the elitist view. You can find quotes from authorities that the majority of people will go to the telestial kingdom (thus hell) and others speculating 10 percent or less in the celestial kingdom. Many insist that the phrase a third part means 33 percent (hint: it doesn't). We are very elitist in our culture and in our interpretation of scriptures and doctrine. How do we comfort are youth that are actively discarded by their church leaders and teachers?
I agree, Lizzy, that somethings are sins. But everylast single one of us besides the savior are sinners. Why do we pick and choose which sins are allowed for membership?
Also, just because there's a hierarchy, doesn't make it elitist. There is a hierarchy in heaven and I'm okay with not making it to the top. I think Satan was the one who had a problem accepting that.
Re: Here's a sign of the times if I've ever seen one
Posted: August 26th, 2019, 6:00 pm
In any form? I can see in some forms for sure, but I think God has other ideas about how hierarchy works.justme wrote: ↑August 26th, 2019, 5:45 pm Maybe it is just a deeply entrenched character flaw in me but I bristle at the very notion of a hierarchy in any form. This includes church structure and career. I simply do not care for the concept of authority, leadership, or hierarchy. I hope the next life is different. My personal view of the Plan as taught in DC 76 is different.
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