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Primary Outcast wrote: ↑August 24th, 2019, 11:12 pm I feel like as I study and ponder, more and more questions and mysteries come to my mind. The more you know, the more you realize what you don't know (not saying I know very much either). If you're not learning during regular scripture study you might want to consider changing up your approach.

Amonhi wrote: ↑August 25th, 2019, 9:50 am

User989 wrote: ↑August 24th, 2019, 6:16 pm I became a believer in Jesus just before 21. Before that i was an atheist searching for the truth of life. this consumed me. i enjoyed every minute researching things on the internet, pondering possibilities, etc. I was in love with the search for truth. The day i found out Jesus was real and the answer was the greatest day of my life. That was 7 years ago or so. Since then my life has been dull, i feel that what consumed me (the search for truth) is gone. I no longer know what to do in my spare time. I am bored.

Some mysteries i found since becoming a believer are
Premortal life
Other things in the churches doctrine
end times scenarios
secret combinations
other conspiracy
the anti christ
and the biggest thing: the davidic servant or the end times servant.

The last one is fascinating to me, but there is very little information about him. The two biggest sources of info i found are ldsanarchy and lord of the seraphim. But i seem to have poured through everything each source has on the topic.

What other mysteries are out there that are potentially real and worth contemplating/researching? any tips would be much appreciated. I miss the search for truth. thank you.

Oh my gosh! There are so many more and ones that are essential to you're own progression.

Try learning about:
- The Holy Spirit of Promise
- Calling and Election made sure
- The Second Comforter
- The Church of the Firstborn
- Who is Azazel and why was he required to make an Atonement with Jehovah
- The Atonement
- Ministering of Angels
- Perfection (what it means, how to do it, when it can be done)
- The minimum requirements for each kingdom of Glory
- The tongue of Angels (which you are already supposed to be experiencing)
- The Only doctrines of God the Father, His Son and the Holy Ghost (Hint: there are only 6)
- Assent to the death of Christ (What does it mean, why shouldn't we do it and how do we do it)
- Why do women hold the priesthood but can only use it in Temples
- Second Anointing (Still performed in secret meetings by Apostles in the Temple)
- The sealing power of Love
- The difference between sin and transgression and why all transgressions are covered by the atonement without repentance.
- Who are "they that are without the law" and why they are considered innocent like children
- What is the Preparatory Gospel
- What is the Fulness of the Gospel
- Is it Ok for women to wear pants in Church
- The Pauline Paradox
- The Garment (When it was given, why it was given, the symbolic meaning and when it is or will be removed)
- The gospel and the church (How they are different where the line is drawn between them)
- The Voice of God (What it is, how you can speak with it, what it means when you speak with God's voice, who should speak as God)
- Tithing (What the Lord taught, why we don't live what the Lord taught, How living what the Lord taught will make you financially wealthy)
- The Endowment (Why does Adam keep doing the wrong thing like praying with the words of his mouth using vain repetitions, etc. Which of all the things Adam tells the Lord does the Lord say are correct and why, etc.. I also suggest that you read the pre-1990 version and ask why did you participate in singing the hymn led by the false preacher.)
- What is unrighteous dominion? Where is the line drawn, how can you recognize it? What should you do if it happens to you?
- Why does the WoW say not to eat meat accept to save your life under specific circumstances and whether the advice is scientifically/medically sound?
- What is a prophet and how do you know if and when you or someone else is being one?
- What is a seer and how do you know if and when you or someone else is being one?
- What is a revelator and how do you know if and when you or someone else is being one?
- What gifts of the Spirit do you have?
- When Are Writings and Sermons of Church Leaders Entiled to the Claim of Scripture
- What are the fruits by which we know false prophets and how can you use them to recognize a false prophet?
- Who are the 144,000, what do or will they do and how will you recognize them?
- How do you receive personal revelation, call down angels to minister to you, breach the veil to receive visions, Speak with Christ and God and commune with the Church of the Firstborn?

Above all else, don't just learn about the Gospel like a history, live it like an experience. Receive the Holy Ghost, have visions, get your calling and election made sure, Meet Christ for yourself by receiving the Second Comforter, etc. Don't be book smart, be experience smart.

Peace,
Amonhi

User989 wrote: ↑August 25th, 2019, 11:31 pmHello. Can you explain the sin in Eden bit? Not sure i am following

“Behold, the man whose name is the Branch: for he shall branch out from his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD.
It is he who shall build the temple of the LORD and shall bear royal honor, and shall sit and rule on his throne. And there shall be a priest on his throne, and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.”

And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance.

For at that time I will change the speech of the peoples to a pure speech, that all of them may call upon the name of the LORD and serve him with one accord.

Endtime material besides the obvious - I recommend Blavatsky, lovecraft, Pythagoras, and ancient Egyptian traditions. Edgar Cayce knows stuff, as you also realise.

Thirdly I recommend the study of language. Who and what we all collectively are stems from the scrambling of language at Babel’s tower (the name “Magdalene” means tower) and the necessary dispersion of what knowledge came in Gen 6. Thus the linguistic, and eschatological significance of the dual-flaming tongues of the Holy Ghost in acts 2, a type of such dispersion from that tower to become resolved in one monolithic structure.

User989 wrote: ↑August 24th, 2019, 6:16 pm I became a believer in Jesus just before 21. Before that i was an atheist searching for the truth of life. this consumed me. i enjoyed every minute researching things on the internet, pondering possibilities, etc. I was in love with the search for truth. The day i found out Jesus was real and the answer was the greatest day of my life. That was 7 years ago or so. Since then my life has been dull, i feel that what consumed me (the search for truth) is gone. I no longer know what to do in my spare time. I am bored.

Some mysteries i found since becoming a believer are
Premortal life
Other things in the churches doctrine
end times scenarios
secret combinations
other conspiracy
the anti christ
and the biggest thing: the davidic servant or the end times servant.

The last one is fascinating to me, but there is very little information about him. The two biggest sources of info i found are ldsanarchy and lord of the seraphim. But i seem to have poured through everything each source has on the topic.

What other mysteries are out there that are potentially real and worth contemplating/researching? any tips would be much appreciated. I miss the search for truth. thank you.

NIGHTLIGHT wrote: ↑August 25th, 2019, 12:51 pm

Amonhi wrote: ↑August 25th, 2019, 9:50 am

User989 wrote: ↑August 24th, 2019, 6:16 pm I became a believer in Jesus just before 21. Before that i was an atheist searching for the truth of life. this consumed me. i enjoyed every minute researching things on the internet, pondering possibilities, etc. I was in love with the search for truth. The day i found out Jesus was real and the answer was the greatest day of my life. That was 7 years ago or so. Since then my life has been dull, i feel that what consumed me (the search for truth) is gone. I no longer know what to do in my spare time. I am bored.

Some mysteries i found since becoming a believer are
Premortal life
Other things in the churches doctrine
end times scenarios
secret combinations
other conspiracy
the anti christ
and the biggest thing: the davidic servant or the end times servant.

The last one is fascinating to me, but there is very little information about him. The two biggest sources of info i found are ldsanarchy and lord of the seraphim. But i seem to have poured through everything each source has on the topic.

What other mysteries are out there that are potentially real and worth contemplating/researching? any tips would be much appreciated. I miss the search for truth. thank you.

Oh my gosh! There are so many more and ones that are essential to you're own progression.

Try learning about:
- The Holy Spirit of Promise
- Calling and Election made sure
- The Second Comforter
- The Church of the Firstborn
- Who is Azazel and why was he required to make an Atonement with Jehovah
- The Atonement
- Ministering of Angels
- Perfection (what it means, how to do it, when it can be done)
- The minimum requirements for each kingdom of Glory
- The tongue of Angels (which you are already supposed to be experiencing)
- The Only doctrines of God the Father, His Son and the Holy Ghost (Hint: there are only 6)
- Assent to the death of Christ (What does it mean, why shouldn't we do it and how do we do it)
- Why do women hold the priesthood but can only use it in Temples
- Second Anointing (Still performed in secret meetings by Apostles in the Temple)
- The sealing power of Love
- The difference between sin and transgression and why all transgressions are covered by the atonement without repentance.
- Who are "they that are without the law" and why they are considered innocent like children
- What is the Preparatory Gospel
- What is the Fulness of the Gospel
- Is it Ok for women to wear pants in Church
- The Pauline Paradox
- The Garment (When it was given, why it was given, the symbolic meaning and when it is or will be removed)
- The gospel and the church (How they are different where the line is drawn between them)
- The Voice of God (What it is, how you can speak with it, what it means when you speak with God's voice, who should speak as God)
- Tithing (What the Lord taught, why we don't live what the Lord taught, How living what the Lord taught will make you financially wealthy)
- The Endowment (Why does Adam keep doing the wrong thing like praying with the words of his mouth using vain repetitions, etc. Which of all the things Adam tells the Lord does the Lord say are correct and why, etc.. I also suggest that you read the pre-1990 version and ask why did you participate in singing the hymn led by the false preacher.)
- What is unrighteous dominion? Where is the line drawn, how can you recognize it? What should you do if it happens to you?
- Why does the WoW say not to eat meat accept to save your life under specific circumstances and whether the advice is scientifically/medically sound?
- What is a prophet and how do you know if and when you or someone else is being one?
- What is a seer and how do you know if and when you or someone else is being one?
- What is a revelator and how do you know if and when you or someone else is being one?
- What gifts of the Spirit do you have?
- When Are Writings and Sermons of Church Leaders Entiled to the Claim of Scripture
- What are the fruits by which we know false prophets and how can you use them to recognize a false prophet?
- Who are the 144,000, what do or will they do and how will you recognize them?
- How do you receive personal revelation, call down angels to minister to you, breach the veil to receive visions, Speak with Christ and God and commune with the Church of the Firstborn?

Above all else, don't just learn about the Gospel like a history, live it like an experience. Receive the Holy Ghost, have visions, get your calling and election made sure, Meet Christ for yourself by receiving the Second Comforter, etc. Don't be book smart, be experience smart.

Peace,
Amonhi

What are some of your thoughts on Azazel?

Lev. 16
10 But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat (AZAZEL), shall be presented alive before the Lord, to make an atonement with him (JEHOVAH), and to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness.

SJR3t2 wrote: ↑August 28th, 2019, 2:56 pm There is plenty of mystery. For example when does the BoM say the scriptural day/24 hour starts? It's there, I wrote an article about it. My main point, there are plenty of mysteries if we care to ask and seek, and then we will find.

BeNotDeceived wrote: ↑August 29th, 2019, 3:14 pm

SJR3t2 wrote: ↑August 28th, 2019, 2:56 pm There is plenty of mystery. For example when does the BoM say the scriptural day/24 hour starts? It's there, I wrote an article about it. My main point, there are plenty of mysteries if we care to ask and seek, and then we will find.

Please supply link to said article.

abijah wrote: ↑August 26th, 2019, 2:58 pm Davidic servant = the master of language.

Nothing more than that, just watch and see.

nightlight wrote: ↑August 25th, 2019, 12:51 pm

Amonhi wrote: ↑August 25th, 2019, 9:50 am

User989 wrote: ↑August 24th, 2019, 6:16 pm I became a believer in Jesus just before 21. Before that i was an atheist searching for the truth of life. this consumed me. i enjoyed every minute researching things on the internet, pondering possibilities, etc. I was in love with the search for truth. The day i found out Jesus was real and the answer was the greatest day of my life. That was 7 years ago or so. Since then my life has been dull, i feel that what consumed me (the search for truth) is gone. I no longer know what to do in my spare time. I am bored.

Some mysteries i found since becoming a believer are
Premortal life
Other things in the churches doctrine
end times scenarios
secret combinations
other conspiracy
the anti christ
and the biggest thing: the davidic servant or the end times servant.

The last one is fascinating to me, but there is very little information about him. The two biggest sources of info i found are ldsanarchy and lord of the seraphim. But i seem to have poured through everything each source has on the topic.

What other mysteries are out there that are potentially real and worth contemplating/researching? any tips would be much appreciated. I miss the search for truth. thank you.

Oh my gosh! There are so many more and ones that are essential to you're own progression.

Try learning about:
- The Holy Spirit of Promise
- Calling and Election made sure
- The Second Comforter
- The Church of the Firstborn
- Who is Azazel and why was he required to make an Atonement with Jehovah
- The Atonement
- Ministering of Angels
- Perfection (what it means, how to do it, when it can be done)
- The minimum requirements for each kingdom of Glory
- The tongue of Angels (which you are already supposed to be experiencing)
- The Only doctrines of God the Father, His Son and the Holy Ghost (Hint: there are only 6)
- Assent to the death of Christ (What does it mean, why shouldn't we do it and how do we do it)
- Why do women hold the priesthood but can only use it in Temples
- Second Anointing (Still performed in secret meetings by Apostles in the Temple)
- The sealing power of Love
- The difference between sin and transgression and why all transgressions are covered by the atonement without repentance.
- Who are "they that are without the law" and why they are considered innocent like children
- What is the Preparatory Gospel
- What is the Fulness of the Gospel
- Is it Ok for women to wear pants in Church
- The Pauline Paradox
- The Garment (When it was given, why it was given, the symbolic meaning and when it is or will be removed)
- The gospel and the church (How they are different where the line is drawn between them)
- The Voice of God (What it is, how you can speak with it, what it means when you speak with God's voice, who should speak as God)
- Tithing (What the Lord taught, why we don't live what the Lord taught, How living what the Lord taught will make you financially wealthy)
- The Endowment (Why does Adam keep doing the wrong thing like praying with the words of his mouth using vain repetitions, etc. Which of all the things Adam tells the Lord does the Lord say are correct and why, etc.. I also suggest that you read the pre-1990 version and ask why did you participate in singing the hymn led by the false preacher.)
- What is unrighteous dominion? Where is the line drawn, how can you recognize it? What should you do if it happens to you?
- Why does the WoW say not to eat meat accept to save your life under specific circumstances and whether the advice is scientifically/medically sound?
- What is a prophet and how do you know if and when you or someone else is being one?
- What is a seer and how do you know if and when you or someone else is being one?
- What is a revelator and how do you know if and when you or someone else is being one?
- What gifts of the Spirit do you have?
- When Are Writings and Sermons of Church Leaders Entiled to the Claim of Scripture
- What are the fruits by which we know false prophets and how can you use them to recognize a false prophet?
- Who are the 144,000, what do or will they do and how will you recognize them?
- How do you receive personal revelation, call down angels to minister to you, breach the veil to receive visions, Speak with Christ and God and commune with the Church of the Firstborn?

Above all else, don't just learn about the Gospel like a history, live it like an experience. Receive the Holy Ghost, have visions, get your calling and election made sure, Meet Christ for yourself by receiving the Second Comforter, etc. Don't be book smart, be experience smart.

Peace,
Amonhi

What are some of your thoughts on Azazel?

Michael Sherwin wrote: ↑August 25th, 2019, 1:15 pm

User989 wrote: ↑August 25th, 2019, 4:38 am

Michael Sherwin wrote: ↑August 25th, 2019, 3:11 am

User989 wrote: ↑August 24th, 2019, 6:16 pm I became a believer in Jesus just before 21. Before that i was an atheist searching for the truth of life. this consumed me. i enjoyed every minute researching things on the internet, pondering possibilities, etc. I was in love with the search for truth. The day i found out Jesus was real and the answer was the greatest day of my life. That was 7 years ago or so. Since then my life has been dull, i feel that what consumed me (the search for truth) is gone. I no longer know what to do in my spare time. I am bored.

Some mysteries i found since becoming a believer are
Premortal life
Other things in the churches doctrine
end times scenarios
secret combinations
other conspiracy
the anti christ
and the biggest thing: the davidic servant or the end times servant.

The last one is fascinating to me, but there is very little information about him. The two biggest sources of info i found are ldsanarchy and lord of the seraphim. But i seem to have poured through everything each source has on the topic.

What other mysteries are out there that are potentially real and worth contemplating/researching? any tips would be much appreciated. I miss the search for truth. thank you.

I'm curious. You cited two blogs that are completely opposed to each other concerning the Davidic Servant. And you stated that you have the truth. So which blog do you believe is the truth? ldsanarchy is totally blind to the fact that Jesus sends an anointed one just prior to the time of judgement. And Lord of the Seraphim (Alaris) uses non canonical sources to refine his understanding of the anointed one that Jesus sends. I only joined the church in early 2013. However, I knew of the anointed one that was to come before judgement just from the Bible alone. I did not call him the "Davidic Servant" because I was not aware of that moniker until I started reading here. ldsanarchy insist that all references to the branch and the anointed one or Christ and many other references to a special man ALL refer to just Jesus and only Jesus. It is a common Christian misconception.

Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

That is absolutely true! However, it is not as simple as that. Jesus is Lord of lords. More precisely though, Jesus is LORD of Lords. Jesus is the LORD of host. And this is what it means.

Hebrews 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

These angels (messengers) are not the created angels. They are all from before the creation. Jesus was one of them. He was made better than the others. How was he made better?

Psalm 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Psalm 2:8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

Psalm 2:9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

Psalm 2:10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.

Jesus received the anointing of sonship. There is "someone" else that receives the anointing of sonship from Jesus.

Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

Revelation 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

Revelation 2:28 And I will give him the morning star.

This "person" is of course the man child.

Revelation 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

Some say the man child was Jesus two thousand years ago. Others say that the man child represents the church. The man child is not the church because the man child was born before the church was born.

Isaiah 66:7 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.

The church (Israel with grafted in gentiles) is born in the next passage.

Isaiah 66:8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.

Jesus anoints the man child with the same anointing that he received from his Father. So who or what is this man child? We need to look back once again at the angels that were before the creation.

Hebrews 1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

These are not the created angels that can pass for human. These are the angels talked about in hebrews one.

Revelation 4:5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.

Revelation 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

The Lamb with seven horns and seven eyes represents the Father. Jesus is also the Lamb as he and the Father are one. At the point of time of Rev 5:6 Jesus and all the other Spirits of God have returned. Here is when Jesus returned.

John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

Jesus merged with and is part of the Lamb with seven horns and seven eyes. Don't get upset at the analogy. It just means they are one. All seven Spirits of God incarnate at some point in time. They must if they are to be part of the eternal kingdom of God. Jesus is not the last of the seven Spirits of God to go out into the earth. This is what Jesus says of the last one to go out.

Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Here he is seen in heaven before being born on earth.

Revelation 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

Here is the promise of his coming.

Malachi 3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the LORD (should be Lord), whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant (angel of the LORD), whom ye delight in (they delight in their prince): behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts (Jesus).

Here he is cut off and caught up.

Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

Revelation 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

And here he returns.

Malachi 3:18 Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not.

Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord (Jesus), and of his Christ (anointed one); and he shall reign for ever and ever.

So Jesus the LORD of host sends his angel, the angel of the LORD, to be born on earth as his messenger and anoints him with the anointing of sonship and writes his name upon him the only name by which we may be saved. And Jesus sends his angels to gather his elect.

Malachi 3:5 And I will come near to you to judgment; ...

Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Matthew 24:31 And he (Jesus) shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet (the trump of God), and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

1Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord (not Jesus, because Jesus only comes near) himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

1Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord (LORD, Jesus) in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Is it correct to label this future anointed one the Davidic Servant? I don't think what we call him is important. I think that the fact that he exist is what is important!

I do not have the truth about the Davidic Servant. What i meant to say was that the Davidic Servant was a mystery i found and am fascinated by, and that those are two blogs where i found information about him. I do not know which one is correct or more correct. I find them both very fascinating. And i found the bit you wrote very fascinating. Thank you for sharing. If you have more information about this man please let me know, whether its from you or another source. I want as much about this man as possible. The fact that he exists is surely whats important i agree.

The more we try to learn about him the more chance error can creep in to distort the truth about him. Then we become like the persons that look for Jesus in the scriptures that only see Jesus everywhere they look. That is one reason that the DS is hidden from them.

One of the precepts that we need to understand is that this earth is a low energy environment. The Father is in a high energy environment. When we read about God on his throne in heaven we read of tongues of fire and lightning and incredible brightness. We read that the LORD is a consuming fire. God is high energy and lives in a high energy environment. God in his fullness has never appeared to anyone in person. If God came to earth in his fullness the earth would be consumed by fire. Jesus cannot come down to this earth without destroying it with fire as Jesus is now clothed by the Father. Jesus laid down his glory to be born on earth. Therefore the Lord that visited earth as the angel of the LORD was never God the Father or God the Son. It is this angel of the LORD that will be (has been) born on earth. And while he is not the LORD he is the Lord. He also has laid down his glory to be born on earth. His glory while incredible is will not consume the earth. Jesus has the glory of the sun. This "another angel" has the glory of the moon. He can have and will have his glory restored and he will walk among us.

There are five personages that come/stand just before judgement. They all have the power/strength/anointing of the LORD. And they are all messengers/teachers.
1. The messenger of Malachi 3:1 (seen in Revelation 11:15)
2. The mighty and strong one of Isaiah 28:2 (references Revelation 12)
3. The man child of Revelation 12:5 and Isaiah 66:7 (" be instructed, ye judges of the earth", Psalm 2:10)
4. The one who stands (Mic 5:4) that feeds in the strength of the LORD after the sign of the woman (Rev 12), Mic 5:3.
5. The one "who is like God" the great prince of Daniel 12:1. (seen in Revelation 12)

All 5 are the same personage. That is the one we call the DS. He is Michael TGP. Is his name really Michael or is Michael used by Daniel because translated Michael is one, "who is like God". We need to understand what the definition of God is. God means creator. God the Father is God over what he created. Jesus is God over what he created. The God of Jesus is the Father because the Father "made" Jesus better than the rest. We pray to the Father even though Jesus is our God. So the term God is one of relation. Even though Michael TGP is the Lord he is not our God. He did not create us. He is one, "who is like God".

The Church is right when they say Adam was Michael. But they do not understand what that means. One, "who is like God" became Adam. That is why it is correct to say Michael became Adam. The trouble is that the name Michael does not specify an exact personage. Jesus is also Michael in the sense that Jesus is one, "who is like God". All seven Spirits of God are ones that are, "who is like God". They are all Michael. Long story short, the Michael that became Adam was Jesus. The Michael that is the messenger/man child/one who stands/TGP is a different Michael. His name will also be David meaning "beloved". That does not mean he will have the first name David just like Jesus' name was not really Emmanuel that means, "God with us".

So Michael the great prince is one, "who is like God" and is beloved. He is the angel of the Lord that appeared to "Israel" many times in the old testament that spoke for the LORD. And he is the Lord of the old testament. Not the LORD of host. He remains nameless.

Exodus 3:13 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?

Exodus 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

The above is said to be a christophanie meaning this was a visitation by the preincarnate Jesus. This was not Jesus. This is one sent by Jesus. He is an angel, the angel of the LORD.

Genesis 48:15,16 And he blessed Joseph, and said, God, before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac did walk, the God which fed me all my life long unto this day, the Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.

When this angel is sent by the I AM he acts with the power and authority (trump) of God. He speaks for God. And because he is one of the seven Spirits of God that proceed directly from the bosom of God he is God. He is not our creator God so he is not our God in that sense but he is God nonetheless.

So let's clarify that the Michael that became Adam was really Jesus idea. Only the one that commits an act can atone for their act. That is why that the Michael that became Adam was Jesus and not the Michael that is the great prince. Jesus proceeded from the bosom of the Father. Adam proceeded from the bosom of the Father when the Father breathed life into Adam. And Jesus is the life of the world. And then there is this.

15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last (man) Adam was made a quickening spirit.

Adam is the first and the last. That is because he caused the fall and he atoned for the fall.

And Jesus is the first and the last. So yes the Church has it right that Adam is Michael. However, that particular Michael was Jesus. Michael TGP is a different Michael. The archangel Michael is TGP.

That is about as close as I can get to explaining who the DS is. He is the Beloved Servant".

BeNotDeceived wrote: ↑November 16th, 2019, 3:52 pm

abijah wrote: ↑August 26th, 2019, 2:58 pm Davidic servant = the master of language.

Nothing more than that, just watch and see.

Language goes beyond words. Just ask Noah and inquire about flying colors.

See , but not watch. (dbnp)
Look , but not see. dbnp_special_oo_case.



Overly colorful meaning at a very colorful school.

abijah wrote: ↑January 1st, 2023, 10:42 am

BeNotDeceived wrote: ↑November 16th, 2019, 3:52 pm

abijah wrote: ↑August 26th, 2019, 2:58 pm Davidic servant = the master of language.

Nothing more than that, just watch and see.

Language goes beyond words. Just ask Noah and inquire about flying colors.

See , but not watch. (dbnp)
Look , but not see. dbnp_special_oo_case.



Overly colorful meaning at a very colorful school.

a very colorful school?

User989 wrote: ↑August 25th, 2019, 11:33 pm

NIGHTLIGHT wrote: ↑August 24th, 2019, 9:33 pm

User989 wrote: ↑August 24th, 2019, 6:16 pm I became a believer in Jesus just before 21. Before that i was an atheist searching for the truth of life. this consumed me. i enjoyed every minute researching things on the internet, pondering possibilities, etc. I was in love with the search for truth. The day i found out Jesus was real and the answer was the greatest day of my life. That was 7 years ago or so. Since then my life has been dull, i feel that what consumed me (the search for truth) is gone. I no longer know what to do in my spare time. I am bored.

Some mysteries i found since becoming a believer are
Premortal life
Other things in the churches doctrine
end times scenarios
secret combinations
other conspiracy
the anti christ
and the biggest thing: the davidic servant or the end times servant.

The last one is fascinating to me, but there is very little information about him. The two biggest sources of info i found are ldsanarchy and lord of the seraphim. But i seem to have poured through everything each source has on the topic.

What other mysteries are out there that are potentially real and worth contemplating/researching? any tips would be much appreciated. I miss the search for truth. thank you.

We don't have to be subject to reality. Only our lack of faith is stopping us from doing what Jesus did. We look at people sick or dying and assume..."it's what God wants", I don't believe this.

Understanding the possible way of walking through this reality...is the true mysteries and meat of the Gospel, imo.

6Wherefore, we search the prophets, and we have many revelations and the spirit of prophecy; and having all these witnesses we obtain a hope, and our faith becometh unshaken, insomuch that we truly can ccommand in the name of Jesus and the very trees obey us, or the mountains, or the waves of the sea.
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But...these words are just wind until we can learn to master our man.

We have nothing to be bored about, bro. There is to much evil within and without us to be bored...OR to worry about things of tomorrow.

34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

This reminds me of the law of attractions/quantum mechanics. Do you have any thoughts on those topics?

User989 wrote: ↑August 24th, 2019, 6:16 pm I became a believer in Jesus just before 21. Before that i was an atheist searching for the truth of life. this consumed me. i enjoyed every minute researching things on the internet, pondering possibilities, etc. I was in love with the search for truth. The day i found out Jesus was real and the answer was the greatest day of my life. That was 7 years ago or so. Since then my life has been dull, i feel that what consumed me (the search for truth) is gone. I no longer know what to do in my spare time. I am bored.

Some mysteries i found since becoming a believer are
Premortal life
Other things in the churches doctrine
end times scenarios
secret combinations
other conspiracy
the anti christ
and the biggest thing: the davidic servant or the end times servant.

The last one is fascinating to me, but there is very little information about him. The two biggest sources of info i found are ldsanarchy and lord of the seraphim. But i seem to have poured through everything each source has on the topic.

What other mysteries are out there that are potentially real and worth contemplating/researching? any tips would be much appreciated. I miss the search for truth. thank you.