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“I feel like I’m one of the first cosmonauts going into space,” said Vladimir Irminku, one of the chief engineers of the Akademik Lomonosov, as he stood on the deck of the giant, box-like platform on a chilly summer morning at Kola Bay in the Barents Sea.

Russia is planning to dispatch the vessel, its first floating nuclear power station, on a 4,000-mile journey along the Northern Sea Route, in a milestone for the country’s growing use of nuclear power in its plans for Arctic expansion.


If all goes to plan, the Akademik Lomonosov will be towed to the Arctic port of Pevek this month, where it will use its twin nuclear reactors to provide heat and energy to homes and support mining and drilling operations in Russia’s mineral-rich Chukotka region.

mes5464 wrote: ↑August 23rd, 2019, 9:00 am Don't forget Fukushima has been dumping radiation into the ocean for years now. The think this revelation is well on its way to being fulfilled.

BeNotDeceived wrote: ↑August 23rd, 2019, 10:08 am

mes5464 wrote: ↑August 23rd, 2019, 9:00 am Don't forget Fukushima has been dumping radiation into the ocean for years now. The think this revelation is well on its way to being fulfilled.

Had OTEC been developed to produce abundant hydrogen, Fukushima couldn’t of happened.

Japanese are/were much involved, and the first big project was in 1930 off the coast of Cuba. But the world went to war and opted for cheap OPEC oil. Saudi oil sands were placed in the Earth, but doesn’t mean mans agency was optimally utilized. The oceans are a tremendous resource, that will turn deadly as we continue failing to “subdue” the Earth as commanded in the first chapter of Genesis.

The Rape of , but not subduing the Earth is leading to its destruction.

markharr wrote: ↑August 23rd, 2019, 6:32 am 9 And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.

“I feel like I’m one of the first cosmonauts going into space,” said Vladimir Irminku, one of the chief engineers of the Akademik Lomonosov, as he stood on the deck of the giant, box-like platform on a chilly summer morning at Kola Bay in the Barents Sea.

Russia is planning to dispatch the vessel, its first floating nuclear power station, on a 4,000-mile journey along the Northern Sea Route, in a milestone for the country’s growing use of nuclear power in its plans for Arctic expansion.


If all goes to plan, the Akademik Lomonosov will be towed to the Arctic port of Pevek this month, where it will use its twin nuclear reactors to provide heat and energy to homes and support mining and drilling operations in Russia’s mineral-rich Chukotka region.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/ ... byl-on-ice

Mahalanobis Distance wrote: ↑August 25th, 2019, 1:45 pm

BeNotDeceived wrote: ↑August 23rd, 2019, 10:08 am

mes5464 wrote: ↑August 23rd, 2019, 9:00 am Don't forget Fukushima has been dumping radiation into the ocean for years now. The think this revelation is well on its way to being fulfilled.

Had OTEC been developed to produce abundant hydrogen, Fukushima couldn’t of happened.

Japanese are/were much involved, and the first big project was in 1930 off the coast of Cuba. But the world went to war and opted for cheap OPEC oil. Saudi oil sands were placed in the Earth, but doesn’t mean mans agency was optimally utilized. The oceans are a tremendous resource, that will turn deadly as we continue failing to “subdue” the Earth as commanded in the first chapter of Genesis.

The Rape of , but not subduing the Earth is leading to its destruction.

That tech will warm up the deep oceans. The temperature difference between deep and shallow ocean isn't THAT big. What that means is you'll need to go through a LOT of water to match the power output of a coal plant. You might say: "fine, there's lots of water down there". But the real question is whether the earth can replenish the temperature differential faster than we deplete it. If not, then we will mess up the ocean ecology.

Perhaps otec is what will kill 1/3 of the ocean life.

http://www.otecnews.org/2012/10/how-much-ocean-thermal-energy-can-be-converted-to-electricity/ wrote: The conversion of ocean thermal energy into electricity (OTEC) relies on the availability of temperature differences of the order of 20°C in the upper water column. The area of interest covers about a third of all oceans. Intense solar radiation keeps the surface layer of most tropical seas warm, as large surface heat fluxes between the ocean and the atmosphere reach a subtle balance. The existence of a pool of deep cold seawater at low latitudes is less obvious, and was not discovered until the 18th Century. It actually takes a vast network of planetary currents to transport sinking polar water virtually everywhere. Because OTEC seawater temperature differentials are small, their maintenance is essential, while large seawater flow rates must be used in OTEC plants.

This brings out an interesting question about the size of the OTEC resource. Could a massive deployment of this technology affect ocean temperatures on which the process itself depends? In other words, could OTEC be self limiting? Some years ago, I attempted to answer this theoretical sustainability question with very simple models. Results suggested that OTEC resources might indeed have a limit of about 3 to 5 TW [Nihous, G.C., Journal of Energy Resources Technology, 129(1), 10-17, 2007]. Although such estimates may seem disappointing when weighed against environmental fluxes, they still represent an enormous potential given mankind’s total energy use of 16 TW today.

To frame the problem correctly, however, the complex interplay between planetary heat fluxes, a fully three-dimensional oceanic general circulation and potentially large OTEC intakes and discharges spread over more than 100 million square kilometers would have to be captured with state-of-the-art analytical and numerical tools. First steps in that direction were taken over the past two years, with support from the U.S. Department of Energy’s HawaiiNationalMarineRenewableEnergyCenter, and results were recently published [Rajagopalan, K. and G.C. Nihous, Renewable Energy, 50, 532-540, 2013].

This effort confirmed a maximum for global OTEC power production, but a significantly higher one (≈ 30 TW). As OTEC flow rates increase, the erosion of vertical seawater temperature gradients is much slower in three-dimensional ocean models, because any heat locally added to the system can be horizontally transported and re-distributed at a relatively fast rate. Another distinctive feature of the model results is the persistence of slightly cooler surface waters in the OTEC region. This is compensated, however, by a warming trend at higher latitudes. A boost of the planetary circulation responsible for the overall supply of deep cold seawater is also shown. Taken at face value, predicted environmental effects at maximal OTEC power production suggest that lower outputs should be considered. On a positive note, a more modest OTEC scenario with a global potential of the order of 7 TW showed little impact. The corresponding net power density is shown in the Figure, and should be interpreted as cautiously conservative. Work with better numerical resolution and improved physics is under way.

By Gérard C. Nihous

Associate Professor
Dept. of Ocean and Resources Engineering
University of Hawaii, Honolulu, Hawaii

BeNotDeceived wrote: ↑August 25th, 2019, 3:56 pm

Mahalanobis Distance wrote: ↑August 25th, 2019, 1:45 pm

BeNotDeceived wrote: ↑August 23rd, 2019, 10:08 am

mes5464 wrote: ↑August 23rd, 2019, 9:00 am Don't forget Fukushima has been dumping radiation into the ocean for years now. The think this revelation is well on its way to being fulfilled.

Had OTEC been developed to produce abundant hydrogen, Fukushima couldn’t of happened.

Japanese are/were much involved, and the first big project was in 1930 off the coast of Cuba. But the world went to war and opted for cheap OPEC oil. Saudi oil sands were placed in the Earth, but doesn’t mean mans agency was optimally utilized. The oceans are a tremendous resource, that will turn deadly as we continue failing to “subdue” the Earth as commanded in the first chapter of Genesis.

The Rape of , but not subduing the Earth is leading to its destruction.

That tech will warm up the deep oceans. The temperature difference between deep and shallow ocean isn't THAT big. What that means is you'll need to go through a LOT of water to match the power output of a coal plant. You might say: "fine, there's lots of water down there". But the real question is whether the earth can replenish the temperature differential faster than we deplete it. If not, then we will mess up the ocean ecology.

Perhaps otec is what will kill 1/3 of the ocean life.

http://www.otecnews.org/2012/10/how-much-ocean-thermal-energy-can-be-converted-to-electricity/ wrote: The conversion of ocean thermal energy into electricity (OTEC) relies on the availability of temperature differences of the order of 20°C in the upper water column. The area of interest covers about a third of all oceans. Intense solar radiation keeps the surface layer of most tropical seas warm, as large surface heat fluxes between the ocean and the atmosphere reach a subtle balance. The existence of a pool of deep cold seawater at low latitudes is less obvious, and was not discovered until the 18th Century. It actually takes a vast network of planetary currents to transport sinking polar water virtually everywhere. Because OTEC seawater temperature differentials are small, their maintenance is essential, while large seawater flow rates must be used in OTEC plants.

This brings out an interesting question about the size of the OTEC resource. Could a massive deployment of this technology affect ocean temperatures on which the process itself depends? In other words, could OTEC be self limiting? Some years ago, I attempted to answer this theoretical sustainability question with very simple models. Results suggested that OTEC resources might indeed have a limit of about 3 to 5 TW [Nihous, G.C., Journal of Energy Resources Technology, 129(1), 10-17, 2007]. Although such estimates may seem disappointing when weighed against environmental fluxes, they still represent an enormous potential given mankind’s total energy use of 16 TW today.

To frame the problem correctly, however, the complex interplay between planetary heat fluxes, a fully three-dimensional oceanic general circulation and potentially large OTEC intakes and discharges spread over more than 100 million square kilometers would have to be captured with state-of-the-art analytical and numerical tools. First steps in that direction were taken over the past two years, with support from the U.S. Department of Energy’s HawaiiNationalMarineRenewableEnergyCenter, and results were recently published [Rajagopalan, K. and G.C. Nihous, Renewable Energy, 50, 532-540, 2013].

This effort confirmed a maximum for global OTEC power production, but a significantly higher one (≈ 30 TW). As OTEC flow rates increase, the erosion of vertical seawater temperature gradients is much slower in three-dimensional ocean models, because any heat locally added to the system can be horizontally transported and re-distributed at a relatively fast rate. Another distinctive feature of the model results is the persistence of slightly cooler surface waters in the OTEC region. This is compensated, however, by a warming trend at higher latitudes. A boost of the planetary circulation responsible for the overall supply of deep cold seawater is also shown. Taken at face value, predicted environmental effects at maximal OTEC power production suggest that lower outputs should be considered. On a positive note, a more modest OTEC scenario with a global potential of the order of 7 TW showed little impact. The corresponding net power density is shown in the Figure, and should be interpreted as cautiously conservative. Work with better numerical resolution and improved physics is under way.

By Gérard C. Nihous

Associate Professor
Dept. of Ocean and Resources Engineering
University of Hawaii, Honolulu, Hawaii

There was an excellent video explaining the effect and remediation if vast quantities are used, but sadly it’s prolly gone. 1 terawatt is 10,000 x 100 megawatt plants. So no worries for many years to come. Algae blooms were a major concern, but testing has shown how to subdue those too.

OTEC is net cooling with zero emissions. Nuclear could add heat, if temps are on the decline.

In the grand scheme of things, subduing the Earth is the first commandment given that we were expected to keep, but alas we haven’t and must suffer the consequences. 911 will look like a popgun, compared to what’s coming.

Mahalanobis Distance wrote: ↑August 25th, 2019, 4:38 pm Net cooling on the ocean surface maybe, but the general overall claim breaks the second law of thermodynamics. The deep layers will warm up gradually.

I remain skeptical. Obviously the technology is possible, but those plants are going to be enormous and extremely expensive due to the required flow rate needed to eek out power from a 20deg deferential.

Don't get me wrong. The concept is cool. I just doubt it's the silver bullet you think it is.

BeNotDeceived wrote: ↑August 26th, 2019, 10:53 am

Mahalanobis Distance wrote: ↑August 25th, 2019, 4:38 pm Net cooling on the ocean surface maybe, but the general overall claim breaks the second law of thermodynamics. The deep layers will warm up gradually.

I remain skeptical. Obviously the technology is possible, but those plants are going to be enormous and extremely expensive due to the required flow rate needed to eek out power from a 20deg deferential.

Don't get me wrong. The concept is cool. I just doubt it's the silver bullet you think it is.

Hmm ,

Me thought a statistician would understand closed systems. U is a constant, so extracting energy from the ocean must reduce the energy it contains, which means its temperature is lowered.

The sun puts energy in, and weather events take it out, mostly by evaporation. Mist lift and “open” OTEC designs evaporate and condense tons of pure water, which lessens the impact of droughts, besides the energy produced. Pumping cold water through tropical soil can triple crop production. Gold and other mineral extractions, are valuable byproducts too. Tropical storms could also be subdued, saving billions of dollars and many lives. And additional aquaculture as sterile seas are brought to life.

Mahalanobis Distance wrote: ↑August 26th, 2019, 7:15 pm

BeNotDeceived wrote: ↑August 26th, 2019, 10:53 am

Mahalanobis Distance wrote: ↑August 25th, 2019, 4:38 pm Net cooling on the ocean surface maybe, but the general overall claim breaks the second law of thermodynamics. The deep layers will warm up gradually.

I remain skeptical. Obviously the technology is possible, but those plants are going to be enormous and extremely expensive due to the required flow rate needed to eek out power from a 20deg deferential.

Don't get me wrong. The concept is cool. I just doubt it's the silver bullet you think it is.

Hmm ,

Me thought a statistician would understand closed systems. U is a constant, so extracting energy from the ocean must reduce the energy it contains, which means its temperature is lowered.

The sun puts energy in, and weather events take it out, mostly by evaporation. Mist lift and “open” OTEC designs evaporate and condense tons of pure water, which lessens the impact of droughts, besides the energy produced. Pumping cold water through tropical soil can triple crop production. Gold and other mineral extractions, are valuable byproducts too. Tropical storms could also be subdued, saving billions of dollars and many lives. And additional aquaculture as sterile seas are brought to life.

You can never extract working energy from raw heat (according to secular understanding at least). You can only derive power from heat from a differential as the conflict been the two temperatures fight to approach equilibrium. When the process is "done", the resulting equilibrium will be in the middle of the two temps. So the top layers will be colder, the bottom layers will be warmer, with very little net cooling overall from the power generation process. So my statement stands: that the deep ocean will warm as the cold water is gradually sucked up (I never said net warming, I said deep warming)

The sun can warm back up the higher layers, but the colder layers will be restored from what? From cold water that trickles down there from the poles. That is what makes the process renewable. How quickly can the colder layers regenerate? That is the question 1.

Question 2 is about thermodynamic efficiency which with further limit the answer to #1

Question 3 is the cost per kWh, the economics of it, which determines feasibility. The low numbers you read about are probably assuming 100-year generator lifespan without any maintenance cost.

https://preview.mailerlite.com/k9s7r4/1 ... _hash=c4z1

I was talking with a friend today who lives in Florida. Hurricane Dorian is expected to make landfall in the next couple of days, right about at her front door.

She says it isn't so bad sitting out the hurricane itself, it's the fall-out from it that disrupts life so much. That includes loss of power, which means no air conditioner in very hot, very humid weather; loss of water — pump systems don't work with no power — and disruptions in work flow.

Where I live on British Columbia's west coast, it's not windy this week. In fact, the weather is fine and beautiful. Yet, I spent three whole days working on this week's new video and blog post (which should have taken half that long) because of internet disruptions from my provider.

No matter where we are, stuff happens that we have no control over. All we can do is prepare as best we can, and be happy anyway

ThePowerofEternity111 wrote: ↑August 30th, 2019, 5:01 am No it shall be a asteroid type object that will be aloud to hit the sea upon the time appointed of the trumpets, I am holding it back for now until the time appointed. Is it not clear in the revelation it shall be a mountain... Understand ye not what will occur if a object hits ocean, title waves the size of mountains and much life of sea also destroyed in the impact. Such will occur in your generation in the near future.

lemuel wrote: ↑August 30th, 2019, 10:41 am

ThePowerofEternity111 wrote: ↑August 30th, 2019, 5:01 am No it shall be a asteroid type object that will be aloud to hit the sea upon the time appointed of the trumpets, I am holding it back for now until the time appointed. Is it not clear in the revelation it shall be a mountain... Understand ye not what will occur if a object hits ocean, title waves the size of mountains and much life of sea also destroyed in the impact. Such will occur in your generation in the near future.

Thanks for holding the meteor back bro.

ThePowerofEternity111 wrote: ↑August 30th, 2019, 10:45 am

lemuel wrote: ↑August 30th, 2019, 10:41 am

ThePowerofEternity111 wrote: ↑August 30th, 2019, 5:01 am No it shall be a asteroid type object that will be aloud to hit the sea upon the time appointed of the trumpets, I am holding it back for now until the time appointed. Is it not clear in the revelation it shall be a mountain... Understand ye not what will occur if a object hits ocean, title waves the size of mountains and much life of sea also destroyed in the impact. Such will occur in your generation in the near future.

Thanks for holding the meteor back bro.

It is more a asteroid but meteorites will be involved also, it will be held back until I withdraw then it will be aloud to manifest into the timeline. There is a larger picture to why the Heavens will allow destruction upon the earth and other worlds. Afterward mankind will understand but many do suffer in those days of sorrow but afterward will know why and that it was only way for some to be rescued.

gangbusters wrote: ↑August 30th, 2019, 10:59 am

ThePowerofEternity111 wrote: ↑August 30th, 2019, 10:45 am

lemuel wrote: ↑August 30th, 2019, 10:41 am

ThePowerofEternity111 wrote: ↑August 30th, 2019, 5:01 am No it shall be a asteroid type object that will be aloud to hit the sea upon the time appointed of the trumpets, I am holding it back for now until the time appointed. Is it not clear in the revelation it shall be a mountain... Understand ye not what will occur if a object hits ocean, title waves the size of mountains and much life of sea also destroyed in the impact. Such will occur in your generation in the near future.

Thanks for holding the meteor back bro.

It is more a asteroid but meteorites will be involved also, it will be held back until I withdraw then it will be aloud to manifest into the timeline. There is a larger picture to why the Heavens will allow destruction upon the earth and other worlds. Afterward mankind will understand but many do suffer in those days of sorrow but afterward will know why and that it was only way for some to be rescued.

I have heard tell of a prophecy that several servants will go forth on the timeline from mankind to overcome the asteroids by alighting to it on a spacecraft and drilling a hole deep forth into it and detonating explosives. Then the asteroid will break in two, with twain side narrowly missing the earth.

Oh wait, that was Armageddon with Ben Affleck. I'll see myself out.

ThePowerofEternity111 wrote: ↑August 30th, 2019, 11:05 am

Mahalanobis Distance wrote: ↑August 30th, 2019, 11:11 am

ThePowerofEternity111 wrote: ↑August 30th, 2019, 11:05 am

I have a question POE111, if my doctor prescribes for me some medicine, should I take it? What if I'm feeling fine?

ThePowerofEternity111 wrote: ↑August 30th, 2019, 11:14 am

Mahalanobis Distance wrote: ↑August 30th, 2019, 11:11 am

ThePowerofEternity111 wrote: ↑August 30th, 2019, 11:05 am

I have a question POE111, if my doctor prescribes for me some medicine, should I take it? What if I'm feeling fine?

Does thou have faith as a mustard seed, if so then heal thine-self in name of Yehoshua if hold the priesthood. Why rely ye on arms of flesh when all things are possible to God, if a saint be worthy of the power. Such will be shown in last days when the truly righteous are revealed in those days of desolation.

Mahalanobis Distance wrote: ↑August 30th, 2019, 12:14 pm

ThePowerofEternity111 wrote: ↑August 30th, 2019, 11:14 am

Mahalanobis Distance wrote: ↑August 30th, 2019, 11:11 am

ThePowerofEternity111 wrote: ↑August 30th, 2019, 11:05 am

I have a question POE111, if my doctor prescribes for me some medicine, should I take it? What if I'm feeling fine?

Does thou have faith as a mustard seed, if so then heal thine-self in name of Yehoshua if hold the priesthood. Why rely ye on arms of flesh when all things are possible to God, if a saint be worthy of the power. Such will be shown in last days when the truly righteous are revealed in those days of desolation.

I see. And dost thou heal thine self? Havest thou faith even as a seed of mustard?

ThePowerofEternity111 wrote: ↑August 30th, 2019, 12:42 pm

Mahalanobis Distance wrote: ↑August 30th, 2019, 12:14 pm

ThePowerofEternity111 wrote: ↑August 30th, 2019, 11:14 am

Mahalanobis Distance wrote: ↑August 30th, 2019, 11:11 am

I have a question POE111, if my doctor prescribes for me some medicine, should I take it? What if I'm feeling fine?

Does thou have faith as a mustard seed, if so then heal thine-self in name of Yehoshua if hold the priesthood. Why rely ye on arms of flesh when all things are possible to God, if a saint be worthy of the power. Such will be shown in last days when the truly righteous are revealed in those days of desolation.

I see. And dost thou heal thine self? Havest thou faith even as a seed of mustard?

Yes as the Father permits, that is why eternity is in process of correction, ye will understand after.

If you desire the kingdom of God let this world Go, it is a trap. This world is the Kingdom of the Beast, even just being too caught up in it education and work force is enough to bind souls.