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Man, Emmalee! We both posted the same part of the speech and highlighted the exact same words.

UGh.... politics....
We were saddled with Harry Reid for decades...
Hopefully you Utahans can flush the toilet sooner...

I do believe that many Church leaders were hoping for a Hillary victory, and today hope Biden wins. Just my thoughts on the matter. But then again, in recent years, our Church has started to sound a lot like "mainstream" churches did in the 1970s as they transformed into liberal institutions. Hope I am wrong.

If Romney had attacked Obama 1/3 as much as he attacks Trump he'd be in the golden years of his second term right now....

It's hard to believe that Mitt is not compromised. I'm reminded of how abject and depressed he looked when cameras panned him during Trump's last State of the Union speech. Every other Republican was thoroughly enjoying the speech and feeling very happy with the situation. Not Mitt . . . . by a long shot. Why??

Benaishtart wrote: ↑August 21st, 2019, 8:34 am

Vision wrote: ↑August 21st, 2019, 7:44 am I read early this morning that this was the hottest July on record. The questions I have are these.

First off how long have thermostats been in existence?

They have record of July's temperature back to the beginning of Earth's existence?

How long has July been a month measured in time?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uMldKLR0Vwc

Check out some of his videos, they’re very eye opening. For the last 10-15 years there has been rampant tampering of data.

Thank you. Tony Heller is awesome.

Mitt Romney's character in the Book of Mormon is Zeniff. If you recall Zeniff was so desirous for a kingdom that he led his people into bondage in the land Lehi-Nephi (Mosiah 9-3). Countless lives were lost by Zeniff's people in their wars to free/protect themselves.

In 2012 I used this example in a sacrament talk trying to wake the members of my ward to the dangers of people that have a desire to rule over people. Political expediency is a dangerous trait.

After his additional comments today I'm surprised there hasn't been a recall effort started. I'm tempted to start one myself.

"“I don’t like tariffs being placed on our friends and allies, I think the likes of Putin and Kim Jong-un deserve censure instead of flattery, and I think demonstrating personal character is one of the most important responsibilities of the leader of the land,” he said, echoing an op-ed he authored in the Washington Post days before taking office in January."

in other words, he wants to go back to what hasn't been working for decades. China, and Mexico taking advantage of us on trade, and censuring Kim Jong-Un in public while giving them grain and cash in private.

Also if you think you have better ideas, run for office and see if you can win on them. Don't trash the guy who did win office on his ideas.

EmmaLee wrote: ↑August 21st, 2019, 9:05 am

jmack wrote: ↑August 21st, 2019, 7:10 am

Chip wrote: ↑August 20th, 2019, 11:08 pm Elder Oaks was talking about man-made climate change and rising oceans at a BYU Hawaii graduation a few years back, wasn't he?

What year was that?

It was two years ago, 2017. The title of his speech is, ironically, "Push Back Against the World" - I say it's an ironic title, because Oaks does just the opposite of "pushing back against the world" when he falls for the lie of global warming, and when he disses the sitting U.S. president, essentially calling him names. Here is the part of his speech that is being referred to (see link below for the entire speech) -

"These are challenging times, filled with big worries: wars and rumors of wars, possible epidemics of infectious diseases, droughts, floods, and global warming. Seacoast cities are concerned with the rising level of the ocean, which will bring ocean tides to their doorsteps or over their thresholds. Global warming is also affecting agriculture and wildlife. Nations whose prosperity depends on world peace and free trade worry about disturbing developments that threaten either or both of these. We are even challenged by the politics of conflict and the uncertainties sponsored by the aggressive new presidential administration in the world’s most powerful nation."

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/pro ... d?lang=eng

Gadiantons like RINOs don't come out and identify themselves as such. They hide their agenda into speeches about "freedom" "safety" "liberty" and other nice sounding words, or finagle their paragraph into someone else's speech somehow.
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When people see rich men like Al Gore flying around the world in a private jet to lecture everyone else on carbon emissions, it's easy to dismiss the whole thing as a big cynical power grab. Which it is.

I also happen to believe that global warming is real; I think it will be too gradual to produce any apocalyptic event, though among the various countries in the world, there will be both winners and losers, just like in past cycles of warming and cooling. The climate has changed before, it's just that this time, mankind is putting his thumb on the scale.

There is a long precedent for people like Gore, Romney, Obama, etc. to latch onto a real problem and exploit it for all the hypocritical power-grabbing that it's worth.

smh

Believing Joseph wrote: ↑August 21st, 2019, 8:02 pm When people see rich men like Al Gore flying around the world in a private jet to lecture everyone else on carbon emissions, it's easy to dismiss the whole thing as a big cynical power grab. Which it is.

I also happen to believe that global warming is real; I think it will be too gradual to produce any apocalyptic event, though among the various countries in the world, there will be both winners and losers, just like in past cycles of warming and cooling. The climate has changed before, it's just that this time, mankind is putting his thumb on the scale.

There is a long precedent for people like Gore, Romney, Obama, etc. to latch onto a real problem and exploit it for all the hypocritical power-grabbing that it's worth.

When the earth is turned into a sea of glass then we will have actual true global warming. And it will not just be a degree or two warmer, But like unto the sun.

I agree that Romney is a joke. I'm embarrassed that my fellow Mormons in Utah are too thick to realize what a RINO and globalist they elected. Romney sounds more like the current liberal Pope than an actual member of our faith, yet Mormons will keep electing him because of his last name and ties to the church. Sad really.

As to Elder Oaks speech; I didnt view it as "pro man made global warming". There are many who agree there is a trend of the Earth warming up, just as it has in the past, but NOT because of any human involvement. Indeed, there is ample fossil record evidence to show the Earth was warmer before the advent of fossil fuels. It is a cycle that it goes thru and has little to nothing that we humans contribute to it. Elder Oaks merely mentioning it, doesn't necessarily endorse the crazy schemes propagated by the left. Furthermore, calling Trumps administration isnt neccesarily pejorative. I agree Trump is way more aggressive and isnt afraid to flex USA muscle. That's what I like about him! I didn't read his statements as support for a globalist agenda.

Hate to pick on one person over another but it is my opinion, generally, that the characteristics of the wealthy and the learned both are well-defined in the Book of Mormon. Nothing has changed and time has taught me just how true and deep are the contempt and self-delusion in these categories of person.

He used to be pro-choice

In a debate during his 1994 race against Democratic Sen. Edward Kennedy, Romney said, "I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country." Referring to the 1973 Supreme Court decision that made abortion legal in every state, Romney added, "I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years, it should be sustained and supported. And I sustain and support that law and support the right of a woman to make that choice."

In his 2002 campaign for governor, Romney said during a debate, "I will preserve and protect a woman's right to choose and am devoted and dedicated to honoring my word in that regard.".....



William Saletan in Slate (10/10/12) summarizes Romney's bobbing and weaving over the years on the abortion issue. "Romney's whole track record on abortion is a history of feints and hedges. In 1993, he told leaders of the Mormon Church that he had to run pro-choice for the U.S. Senate because, according to his campaign poll, this was the only way to get elected in Massachusetts."

" Then, six years later, when he was thinking of running for office in Utah, he reframed his position as pro-life. Then, when the governorship of Massachusetts opened up in 2002, he repositioned himself as a pro-choicer. Then, as he prepared to seek the 2008 Republican presidential nomination, he recast himself as a pro-lifer. At every turn, he has taken the angle that looked safest politically. And each time, he has given himself an escape clause. "

The fact that we can consider someone like Romney with such
a flawed moral character to be our President is beyond belief. As Joan Vennochi
noted in the Boston Globe (10/11/12), Mitt Romney is not pro-life. He is not
pro-choice. He is always under any circumstances pro-Mitt Romney.

Pretty much sums up the flipper flopper..

Bilcliffe wrote: ↑August 22nd, 2019, 6:45 pm Hate to pick on one person over another but it is my opinion, generally, that the characteristics of the wealthy and the learned both are well-defined in the Book of Mormon. Nothing has changed and time has taught me just how true and deep are the contempt and self-delusion in these categories of person.

I would say the wealthy and 'learned' have more of a susceptibility to these weaknesses, especially the wealthy.

mirkwood wrote: ↑August 21st, 2019, 8:53 am
Obama would have never happened if Romney won.

Think about it...

Stupid comment. Just saying.

abijah wrote: ↑August 27th, 2019, 2:31 pm

mirkwood wrote: ↑August 21st, 2019, 8:53 am
Obama would have never happened if Romney won.

Think about it...

Stupid comment. Just saying.

Not really. Had Romney actually had any intention of winning the 2012 election it would have invalidated all of Obama's policies to a greater extent than whats happening now and he may have been able to prevent or further delay the social decay and Cultural Marxist cancer that infests our society today. But that's only if he wasn't a two-faced Globalist elite which he apparently is so in hind sight I guess it made no difference.

[email protected] wrote: ↑August 27th, 2019, 2:44 pmNot really. Had Romney actually had any intention of winning the 2012 election it would have invalidated all of Obama's policies to a greater extent than whats happening now

Disagree.

and he may have been able to prevent or further delay the social decay and Cultural Marxist cancer that infests our society today. But that's only if he wasn't a two-faced Globalist elite which he apparently is so in hind sight I guess it made no difference.

Disagree again. Mirkwood’s comment was stupid, and had zero-to-little relevance to mine own.

I'd not be embarrassed if Mitt Romney became POTUS, but I would watch him closely and be quick to point out to others any violations of gospel and constitutional principles he would support or be responsible for.

I have reviewed some of the earlier posts to this LDSFF about Mitt Romney, going back to 2007. I highly recommend doing that. Those of us who were on his case back then were well aware that he is no supporter of the US Constitution, as Latter-day Saints have been advised to be by prophets and apostles.

I still enjoy reading the defense of Romney mounted by the late Bob Henstra.

Regarding the thought that Mr Romney would have placed us in a good situation had he been elected president: that's hard to say but, as an example, Mitt was most impressive, I thought then, as being one who, he said, was willing to take on China economically, except that now Mr Trump is doing just that, MRomney is not supporting him. I was also not impressed with Mitt's book in which he attacked the British people as part, it seemed to me, of a rich man's contempt of those less wealthy, having smaller homes etc - or however wealth is measured.

larsenb wrote: ↑August 23rd, 2019, 10:48 am

Bilcliffe wrote: ↑August 22nd, 2019, 6:45 pm Hate to pick on one person over another but it is my opinion, generally, that the characteristics of the wealthy and the learned both are well-defined in the Book of Mormon. Nothing has changed and time has taught me just how true and deep are the contempt and self-delusion in these categories of person.

I would say the wealthy and 'learned' have more of a susceptibility to these weaknesses, especially the wealthy.

Yes that's what the Book of Mormon says, except for the "especially the wealthy" part which may or may not be true.
When more of us read the book that Mormon and Moroni abridged we will have no excuse in worshiping wealth and worldly wisdom.