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If you don't, Life will do it for you. Either way, BE BRAVE. Beautiful treasures spill out of broken hearts.
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If you don't, Life will do it for you. Either way, BE BRAVE. Beautiful treasures spill out of broken hearts.
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"ye shall repent of your sins, and come unto me with a broken heart and a contrite spirit." [ [3 Nephi 12: 19] ]
Repenting will be accompanied by a broken heart and contrite spirit. When you turn to Him and see clearly for the first time how dark your ways have been, it should break your heart. You should realize how desperately you stand in need of His grace to cover you, lift you, and heal you. You can then appreciate the great gulf between you and Him. (Moses 1: 10.)
If you had to bear your sins into His presence it would make you burn with regret and fear. (Mormon 9: 3-5.) Your own heart must break.
When you behold how little you have to offer Him, your spirit becomes contrite. He offers everything. And we can contribute nothing but our cooperation. And we still reluctantly give that, or if we give a little of our own cooperation we think we have given something significant. We have not. Indeed, we cannot. (Mosiah 2: 20-21.) He honors us if He permits us to assist. We should proceed with alacrity when given the chance to serve.
The heart that will not break does not understand the predicament we live in. The proud spirit is foolish and blind. Our perilous state is such that we can forfeit all that we have ever been by refusing Christ's invitation to repent and turn again to Him.
But we still hesitate. We still hold back.
He really can save you. He has that power. He holds those keys. Even death and hell are conquered by Him. (Mosiah 15: 7-9.) But His victory cannot become ours unless we repent and turn again to Him.
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“The highest, most decisive experience is to be alone with one's own self. You must be alone to find out what supports you, when you find that you can not support yourself. Only this experience can give you an indestructible foundation.” - Carl JungSilver Pie wrote: ↑August 18th, 2019, 10:40 pm I put this in this forum, because I would like deep comments, if anyone feels so inspired to share them.
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I've been trying to break my heart for 10 years.Silver Pie wrote: ↑August 18th, 2019, 10:39 pm This site has this -
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If you don't, Life will do it for you. Either way, BE BRAVE. Beautiful treasures spill out of broken hearts.
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Knife your ego. Pride is what's keeps us from a broken heart.The Airbender wrote: ↑January 6th, 2020, 8:36 pmI've been trying to break my heart for 10 years.Silver Pie wrote: ↑August 18th, 2019, 10:39 pm This site has this -
Under it, the blog poster wrote this:
If you don't, Life will do it for you. Either way, BE BRAVE. Beautiful treasures spill out of broken hearts.
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Yes, I was struck earlier at how often in the scriptures it tells us to remember. If we do not remember the Lord and His tender mercies in our own life. If we do not remember His forgiveness and long-suffering, then we will fall ourselves. On a deeper level an broken heart by itself does not allow one to receive salvation - it is a broken heart WITH a Contrite Spirit. A contrite Spirit is one that has been bruised and so is no longer desiring it's own will, but the LOrd's. Many people have broken hearts, but when turning to the Lord with a broken heart, miracles happen. I still remember my experience when both of those qualifications met. My world view was instantly changed. God changed me. I became a new person. It came at the moment when I knew I coulnd't do it (broken heart) and I needed someone else (God) to do it and I was willing to do whatever it took to obtain what I desired. I was doing all I knew how. The Lord answered. As we maintain a broken heart and contrite Spirit (becoming as a little child) we are taught everything we need to know - we become more like the Lord. He abides in us. In my opinion the opening, the true opening is turning to God and saying- what would you have me do, I"m willing ot give up all for you.BruceRGilbert wrote: ↑January 6th, 2020, 1:48 pm It is so very vital that we don't loose track of where we have come from. Much is said in the Book of Mormon about being "hard hearted." The Lord has to break such hearts, that they may become softened. The "softened" heart is one that has been broken, either from what has happened "externally" or what is brought about "internally." Christ lives with a "broken heart" whose broken "stings" intertwine you and I, in an effort to "bind us" to Him and restore His empathetic rend. He weeps from time to time . . . for US. It is a longing to restore us to His embrace. It is a love unfathomable.
Hm. I’m sure there’s a remedy.The Airbender wrote: ↑January 6th, 2020, 8:36 pmI've been trying to break my heart for 10 years.Silver Pie wrote: ↑August 18th, 2019, 10:39 pm This site has this -
Under it, the blog poster wrote this:
If you don't, Life will do it for you. Either way, BE BRAVE. Beautiful treasures spill out of broken hearts.
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Thinker wrote: ↑January 6th, 2020, 3:57 am “The highest, most decisive experience is to be alone with one's own self. You must be alone to find out what supports you, when you find that you can not support yourself. Only this experience can give you an indestructible foundation.” - Carl Jung
“In desperate love, we always invent the characters of our partners, demanding they be what we need of them, and then feeling devastated when they refuse to perform the role we created in the first place.” - Elizabeth Gilbert
“Every time your heart is broken, a doorway cracks open to a world full of new beginnings, new opportunities.” – Patti Roberts
“There is no better than adversity. Every defeat, every heartbreak, every loss, contains its own seed, its own lesson on how to improve your performance the next time.” - Malcolm X
“The heart was made to be broken...
How else but through a broken heart may Lord Christ enter in?” - Oscar Wilde
“This is a good sign, having a broken heart. It means we have tried for something.” - Elizabeth Gilbert
“When God gets us alone through suffering, heartbreak, temptation, disappointment, sickness, or by thwarted friendship - when He gets us absolutely alone, and we are totally speechless, unable to ask even one question, then He begins to teach us.” - Oswald Chambers
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Perhaps you should ask God to break it for you, if you're serious about having a broken heart. A warning, though- if he does so, it will hurt (and you may even forget that you asked for it and/or the purpose of it).
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You have a good heart, SilverPie.Silver Pie wrote: ↑January 10th, 2020, 3:16 pm Thank you for those quotes. They are really helping me in my quest to be right before God.
Thinker wrote: ↑January 6th, 2020, 3:57 am “The highest, most decisive experience is to be alone with one's own self. You must be alone to find out what supports you, when you find that you can not support yourself. Only this experience can give you an indestructible foundation.” - Carl Jung
“In desperate love, we always invent the characters of our partners, demanding they be what we need of them, and then feeling devastated when they refuse to perform the role we created in the first place.” - Elizabeth Gilbert
“Every time your heart is broken, a doorway cracks open to a world full of new beginnings, new opportunities.” – Patti Roberts
“There is no better than adversity. Every defeat, every heartbreak, every loss, contains its own seed, its own lesson on how to improve your performance the next time.” - Malcolm X
“The heart was made to be broken...
How else but through a broken heart may Lord Christ enter in?” - Oscar Wilde
“This is a good sign, having a broken heart. It means we have tried for something.” - Elizabeth Gilbert
“When God gets us alone through suffering, heartbreak, temptation, disappointment, sickness, or by thwarted friendship - when He gets us absolutely alone, and we are totally speechless, unable to ask even one question, then He begins to teach us.” - Oswald Chambers
If you feel like expanding on that, I’d be interested to know what you mean.Silver Pie wrote: ↑January 10th, 2020, 3:24 pm Thank you for bumping the thread, Thinker. Earlier, this post (below) really touched my soul, and made me think: "Am I worried about the state of my soul? Do I have any niggling doubts?" Then I read the quotes you shared, and the following posts, and they have spurred me to talk to God about my standing, and to take such things more seriously than I have been doing.
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Just that when I read that post, a part of me realized that if I was absolutely sure of my standing before God (and it was good), then I would have no fear of anything or anyone. I wouldn't second-guess myself if I didn't believe something someone who claimed authority (whether in or out of any Church) said I had to do. I would do what God wanted me to do. Period.
I think the Spirit definitely helps us if we are willing (sometimes we're not, but don't see that). I also think that anger is telling us something needs to be worked through inside of us - and that turning anger inward is as bad as turning it outward.Gradually, line upon line - literally through putting emotion into words - I think it’s being untangled. And the Spirit helps. But often it hasn’t been pretty. Many years worth of built up anger and hurt. As I approached this massive sense of anger - it scared me but I also felt some new hope of relief. Since I was little, all that anger was turned inward - I struggled with self hatred, depression etc.
Anger serves a purpose - especially when expressed assertively in healthy ways. But sometimes it was just yelling or exercising to release or manage it. I’ve also found that people - especially influential people in my life - served as a wake up call - not fun, but necessary. Pain/e-motion has a way of getting my attention & motivates me to rethink and make changes.
I did some shadow work in the past (using books/articles I don't recall now). It was kind of scary at one point, just confronting my deep dark parts of self.Carl Jung and Jordan Peterson have discussed the shadow.
Thank you. I do understand what you said. I don't feel worthy of the praise, though. I keep remembering a poster named Chris who, for some reason I can't fathom, I lit into and was angry at and short-tempered with. Turned out he was new to online posting (so he didn't know/understand all the ropes), and I gave him such a negative experience, he soon left LDSFF. That haunts me, still. Apologizing to him was not enough (though he seemed to have accepted it); I couldn't make my words to him never happen.As I mentioned, you have a good heart - I see it often in this forum. Everyone has a good heart - though they may not express it. But also everyone has a negative side. Nobody wants to think of themselves negatively - especially when deep anger surfaces and evil thoughts arise. But we’re human and processing those emotions helps transform them to good and also prevents them from coming out subconsciously twisted. So, even though I told you you have a good heart, don’t feel like you have to only show that side of you. And I won’t either. Hope that came out right.
Thanks for explaining more. If I understand you right, you had been asserting your right to not be forced to comply religiously and did want to prioritize God above others, yet you realized and felt the need to be more connected with God.Silver Pie wrote: ↑January 10th, 2020, 5:26 pmJust that when I read that post, a part of me realized that if I was absolutely sure of my standing before God (and it was good), then I would have no fear of anything or anyone. I wouldn't second-guess myself if I didn't believe something someone who claimed authority (whether in or out of any Church) said I had to do. I would do what God wanted me to do. Period.
Then, when I came to this thread, the quotes you posted-and the comments of the others-seemed to verify the necessity of a connection with God, and with being humble enough to know him, and with being willing to know him. (I hope that makes sense. It really isn't easy to put into words the thoughts that were in my heart when I read the posts.)
I think the Spirit definitely helps us if we are willing (sometimes we're not, but don't see that). I also think that anger is telling us something needs to be worked through inside of us - and that turning anger inward is as bad as turning it outward.Gradually, line upon line - literally through putting emotion into words - I think it’s being untangled. And the Spirit helps. But often it hasn’t been pretty. Many years worth of built up anger and hurt. As I approached this massive sense of anger - it scared me but I also felt some new hope of relief. Since I was little, all that anger was turned inward - I struggled with self hatred, depression etc.
Anger serves a purpose - especially when expressed assertively in healthy ways. But sometimes it was just yelling or exercising to release or manage it. I’ve also found that people - especially influential people in my life - served as a wake up call - not fun, but necessary. Pain/e-motion has a way of getting my attention & motivates me to rethink and make changes.
I did some shadow work in the past (using books/articles I don't recall now). It was kind of scary at one point, just confronting my deep dark parts of self.Carl Jung and Jordan Peterson have discussed the shadow.
Thank you. I do understand what you said. I don't feel worthy of the praise, though. I keep remembering a poster named Chris who, for some reason I can't fathom, I lit into and was angry at and short-tempered with. Turned out he was new to online posting (so he didn't know/understand all the ropes), and I gave him such a negative experience, he soon left LDSFF. That haunts me, still. Apologizing to him was not enough (though he seemed to have accepted it); I couldn't make my words to him never happen.As I mentioned, you have a good heart - I see it often in this forum. Everyone has a good heart - though they may not express it. But also everyone has a negative side. Nobody wants to think of themselves negatively - especially when deep anger surfaces and evil thoughts arise. But we’re human and processing those emotions helps transform them to good and also prevents them from coming out subconsciously twisted. So, even though I told you you have a good heart, don’t feel like you have to only show that side of you. And I won’t either. Hope that came out right.
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Yes, pretty much. Connected with God, and I wouldn't care what anyone else thought about what I said, thought, or did.
It is certainly an impetus for me to forgive everyone - if I forgive, the scriptures say I'm forgiven.Everyone makes mistakes. I’ve regretted how I’ve communicated at times, too. Sometimes the hardest person to forgive is oneself. But that is most needed to be “given” to go “for”ward. And there’s always a silver lining... when people have been less-than-nice to me, it reminds me to only trust in God - and only look to God for that sense of unconditional love.
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