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It’s a shame that it even is. Modern Word of Wisdom baptismal requirements cannot be justified by scripture neither by logic.John Tavner wrote: ↑August 13th, 2019, 6:26 pmI hope they do remove the WoW requirements for Baptism. It would be amazing
I couldn't even guess. I wasn't privy to the concoctions they were using. I'd never heard of "juuls" or even understood what vaping was until teachers started asking me to find out where all their young men were going instead of to Sunday School. If I hadn't been tight with their older siblings (many of whom I'd had in my own classes when they were that age), I wouldn't have had a clue what they were up to. But they clued me in on their hiding spots, and eventually they were discovered.buffalo_girl wrote: ↑August 14th, 2019, 7:02 pm By the way, what exactly were those Aaronic Priesthood holders 'vaping'?
I never implied vaping was all harmless laughs and giggles - not sure where you're getting that idea from. In fact, the only thing I said about vaping was that it is stupid, which it is - any/all smoking or inhaling of such things into the lungs is very stupid.iWriteStuff wrote: ↑August 14th, 2019, 7:52 pmWell the problem went a bit deeper than vaping. And yes, I said bless the sacrament - although there were some Teachers Quorum members involved as well, the ring leader was the Bishop's Assistant.EmmaLee wrote: ↑August 14th, 2019, 7:18 pmI think he said 'bless' the sacrament, a priest's duty. But I agree - calling them "lost" over vaping (which is stupid) is crazy.buffalo_girl wrote: ↑August 14th, 2019, 7:16 pm OK! Sixteen through 17-year olds. I thought I read they weren't allowed to pass the Sacrament for a month.
Well...16 & 17-year olds can make dumb decisions, too. I'm not sure deciding their lives are "lost" over something dumb is quite in the Spirit of Christ's love for each of us.
Anywho, the deeper matter was that despite getting caught, they formed a conspiracy to deny and lie about the vaping. They decided to spin it as a "rumor" that Br. IWS and the YM President had started because we didn't like them, which couldn't be further from the truth. Problem came when one of them had a crisis of conscience and broke the pact, confessing to the bishop and telling him of the conspiracy to lie and cover it up. Then the consequences came down fast and heavy.
Granted, the subsequent bishop had a much more "no nonsense" and "toe the line" approach. I think he was tired of seeing our youth fail - going out on missions only to come back weeks or days later, vaping in closets/attics/scout trailers during church, basically losing their testimonies and then taking other youth out of the church with them.... That's a hard gig. And vaping played a pretty strong part of it. It was the "cool/rebellious" thing to do. And read some studies on it sometime. It's not all harmless laughs and giggles. Some of that stuff is pretty harsh on the system.
I can't imagine a reputable doctor proscribing nicotine and 200 mg of caffeine a day. I think this is an example of self medicating because it's not a healthy combination. There are other medications to proscribe for low blood pressure that won't cause mouth cancer and heart problems.PressingForward wrote: ↑August 13th, 2019, 2:30 pmOf you were prescribed the caffeine pill and nicotine gum, then your Bishop is WRONG WRONG WRONG, and I would go talk to your Stake President.Michael Sherwin wrote: ↑August 13th, 2019, 1:10 pmMy understanding is that it is not a sin to break the word of wisdom. The only effect is to disqualify someone from going to the temple. So the Church uses that as leverage to enforce the word of wisdom. LDS say the temple is where saving ordinances are performed. Is this really correct? Even the telestial realm is far grander than life on this earth. And according to Church doctrine everyone will eventually make it to at least the telestial realm. And that is being saved.NIGHTLIGHT wrote: ↑August 13th, 2019, 12:44 pm Our culture is a joke. My elders are practicing unrightuous dominion on me.... by basing my worthiness on the Word of Wisdom .... hypocrisy, clown country.
It's cool, I forgive you guys, I'm also a hypocrite....but at least I know it.
1 A Word of Wisdom, for the benefit of the council of high priests, assembled in Kirtland, and the church, and also the saints in Zion—
2 To be sent greeting; not by commandment or constraint, but by revelation and the word of wisdom, showing forth the order and will of God in the temporal salvation of all saints in the last days
I was born with a heart defect that was never repaired. I was not ever supposed to make it to my 40th birthday. And here I am at 62yo and still here. However because of my heart defect I have a difficult time staying alert due to low blood pressure and not enough blood flow to my brain. I have found that taking a 200mg caffeine pill and chewing nicotine gum at the same time allows me to be alert most of the day. The bishop would not even consider my special needs and just told me that I was not to do that anymore.
I personally know someone who moved to a state where she could utilize marijuana edibles, prescribed by a MD of course, and has her Temple Recommend.
I wasn't trying to imply that you were glib about vaping - that just seems the casual attitude most have about it in general. "Oh, it's just kids being kids... let people smoke/chew/drink whatever they want." I'm as libertarian as the next fella, but you have to admit that sometimes there are adverse consequences to decisions like that. And, as you point out, sometimes they are symptoms of a deeper issue.EmmaLee wrote: ↑August 14th, 2019, 8:20 pmI never implied vaping was all harmless laughs and giggles - not sure where you're getting that idea from. In fact, the only thing I said about vaping was that it is stupid, which it is - any/all smoking or inhaling of such things into the lungs is very stupid.iWriteStuff wrote: ↑August 14th, 2019, 7:52 pmWell the problem went a bit deeper than vaping. And yes, I said bless the sacrament - although there were some Teachers Quorum members involved as well, the ring leader was the Bishop's Assistant.EmmaLee wrote: ↑August 14th, 2019, 7:18 pmI think he said 'bless' the sacrament, a priest's duty. But I agree - calling them "lost" over vaping (which is stupid) is crazy.buffalo_girl wrote: ↑August 14th, 2019, 7:16 pm OK! Sixteen through 17-year olds. I thought I read they weren't allowed to pass the Sacrament for a month.
Well...16 & 17-year olds can make dumb decisions, too. I'm not sure deciding their lives are "lost" over something dumb is quite in the Spirit of Christ's love for each of us.
Anywho, the deeper matter was that despite getting caught, they formed a conspiracy to deny and lie about the vaping. They decided to spin it as a "rumor" that Br. IWS and the YM President had started because we didn't like them, which couldn't be further from the truth. Problem came when one of them had a crisis of conscience and broke the pact, confessing to the bishop and telling him of the conspiracy to lie and cover it up. Then the consequences came down fast and heavy.
Granted, the subsequent bishop had a much more "no nonsense" and "toe the line" approach. I think he was tired of seeing our youth fail - going out on missions only to come back weeks or days later, vaping in closets/attics/scout trailers during church, basically losing their testimonies and then taking other youth out of the church with them.... That's a hard gig. And vaping played a pretty strong part of it. It was the "cool/rebellious" thing to do. And read some studies on it sometime. It's not all harmless laughs and giggles. Some of that stuff is pretty harsh on the system.
As for the rest of the story - that was all left out in your first telling. Now I can understand better why the leaders considered the boys "lost", as it went far deeper than vaping. The lying, deception, and conspiracy is FAR worse, IMO; and shows that the vaping is merely a symptom of much deeper issues that these boys have. Unfortunate and sad situation all the way round.
Just wait till the boys get to one of the BYU schools where being "gay" is the "cool/rebellious" thing to do.
People always say this about Joseph Smith, who cares? He didn't live it to the degree we do now because they weren't required to at the time. The WofW is voluntary and it's for your benefit. If you want to drink, smoke, and take drugs you can, but you'll have to accept the consequences.thestock wrote: ↑August 14th, 2019, 6:22 amThis is true. Additionally, Joseph Smith was an occasional imbiber of wine and smoker of cigars. When the contemporary health craze that Mindfields is talking about swept through Kirtland, many of the Saints became desirous for some sort of revelation from the Lord about this subject. From what I gather, Joseph was hesitant to issue such a revelation because he did not want to place restrictions but eventually he caved and gave them what they wanted.....although it is interesting to note he placed "not by commandment".Mindfields wrote: ↑August 13th, 2019, 2:55 pm The WOW was nothing new even at the time it was given. All of the WOW's prohibitions were already being considered as possible health issues back in the early 1800's by others outside the church. There is nothing amazing/miraculous about it. Maybe if boil your water before drinking or avoid excess sugar had been included in the WOW then it would've been something amazing/miraculous. At least those weren't really being discussed/considered at the time.
Little good that did. In true Pharisaical fashion, we've gone ahead and built up huge commandments and restrictions that are so far removed from the Spirit of this law that it is a joke.
Most people can read the ingredients. General Authorities don't need to make long lists of what's okay and what's not okay. If I follow the word of wisdom as it has been explained to me in the temple recommend interview, I don't want to hear anything more from anyone else and we don't need more rules and regulations, we ought to be moving more to governing ourselves an away from having to be monitored constantly because we're too dumb to know what's bad for us.Sunain wrote: ↑August 14th, 2019, 8:03 am Very disappointing seeing so many people here ripping on the Word of Wisdom. It is for the health benefit of the saints. There is nothing in the current Word of Wisdom that should be debated. More needs to be specifically listed as this whole youth vaping nonsense is really stupid. The WoW is one of those higher laws that we have been given, yet so many seem to falter on. The saints can't seem to live this, how will we ever get higher laws yet to be revealed.
Caffeine addiction is real and is one of the hardest substances to break the addiction from.
Vaping = Smoking.
Green Tea = contains caffeine (2% to 4%).
Energy Drinks = Way too much caffeine. Should be specifically listed in the WoW but the General Authorities are behind the times.
Soda with added caffeine = Way too much caffeine. Should be specifically listed in the WoW but the General Authorities are behind the times
While there are the definite health benefits, I think there are spiritual benefits also. If a person is under the influence of drugs or alcohol, addictive substances, they will have a harder time feeling the spirit.thestock wrote: ↑August 14th, 2019, 11:23 amI read it clearly to be about health. How else but lung cancer and alcoholism does the destroyer sweep across the people of our nation in the modern era? Unless Joseph Smith meant that by not drinking we wont drive drunk and die in a car accident......inho wrote: ↑August 14th, 2019, 11:06 amI don't think verse 21 is about health. It wasn't about healthy living with the children of Israel.thestock wrote: ↑August 14th, 2019, 11:03 amThe WoW itself disagrees. Of the promises made, health is mentioned 3 times and revelation 1 time. Revelation is the promise in verse 19, the other parts of the word of wisdom are all about health.oneClimbs wrote: ↑August 14th, 2019, 10:52 am This is one of my favorite quotes about the subject:
The “Word of Wisdom [was] given for a principle with promise” (D&C 89:1, 3). But what is the promise? The promise, of course, is personal revelation [...] Now, the Word of Wisdom is, I think, only incidentally to keep us healthy, if we will observe it. [...] It is not that you are going to be a healthy athlete all of your life, and it is not that you are going to avoid old age. It is that you will have the key to revelation. When your body begins to deteriorate, the patterns of revelation will be augmented and magnified.
https://speeches.byu.edu/talks/boyd-k-p ... character/
18 And all saints who remember to keep and do these sayings, walking in obedience to the commandments, shall receive health in their navel and marrow to their bones;
19 And shall find wisdom and great treasures of knowledge, even hidden treasures;
20 And shall run and not be weary, and shall walk and not faint.
21 And I, the Lord, give unto them a promise, that the destroying angel shall pass by them, as the children of Israel, and not slay them. Amen.
To be fair, you're also talking about the generation that thinks eating Tide Pods is cool.jmack wrote: ↑August 14th, 2019, 8:45 pmMost people can read the ingredients. General Authorities don't need to make long lists of what's okay and what's not okay. If I follow the word of wisdom as it has been explained to me in the temple recommend interview, I don't want to hear anything more from anyone else and we don't need more rules and regulations, we ought to be moving more to governing ourselves an away from having to be monitored constantly because we're too dumb to know what's bad for us.Sunain wrote: ↑August 14th, 2019, 8:03 am Very disappointing seeing so many people here ripping on the Word of Wisdom. It is for the health benefit of the saints. There is nothing in the current Word of Wisdom that should be debated. More needs to be specifically listed as this whole youth vaping nonsense is really stupid. The WoW is one of those higher laws that we have been given, yet so many seem to falter on. The saints can't seem to live this, how will we ever get higher laws yet to be revealed.
Caffeine addiction is real and is one of the hardest substances to break the addiction from.
Vaping = Smoking.
Green Tea = contains caffeine (2% to 4%).
Energy Drinks = Way too much caffeine. Should be specifically listed in the WoW but the General Authorities are behind the times.
Soda with added caffeine = Way too much caffeine. Should be specifically listed in the WoW but the General Authorities are behind the times
I read it but assumed the Bishop was not referring just to the vaping but to other things he was aware of.buffalo_girl wrote: ↑August 14th, 2019, 7:16 pm OK! Sixteen through 17-year olds. I thought I read they weren't allowed to pass the Sacrament for a month.
Well...16 & 17-year olds can make dumb decisions, too. I'm not sure deciding their lives are "lost" over something dumb is quite in the Spirit of Christ's love for each of us.
Consequences? ?? Loljmack wrote: ↑August 14th, 2019, 8:39 pmPeople always say this about Joseph Smith, who cares? He didn't live it to the degree we do now because they weren't required to at the time. The WofW is voluntary and it's for your benefit. If you want to drink, smoke, and take drugs you can, but you'll have to accept the consequences.thestock wrote: ↑August 14th, 2019, 6:22 amThis is true. Additionally, Joseph Smith was an occasional imbiber of wine and smoker of cigars. When the contemporary health craze that Mindfields is talking about swept through Kirtland, many of the Saints became desirous for some sort of revelation from the Lord about this subject. From what I gather, Joseph was hesitant to issue such a revelation because he did not want to place restrictions but eventually he caved and gave them what they wanted.....although it is interesting to note he placed "not by commandment".Mindfields wrote: ↑August 13th, 2019, 2:55 pm The WOW was nothing new even at the time it was given. All of the WOW's prohibitions were already being considered as possible health issues back in the early 1800's by others outside the church. There is nothing amazing/miraculous about it. Maybe if boil your water before drinking or avoid excess sugar had been included in the WOW then it would've been something amazing/miraculous. At least those weren't really being discussed/considered at the time.
Little good that did. In true Pharisaical fashion, we've gone ahead and built up huge commandments and restrictions that are so far removed from the Spirit of this law that it is a joke.
If God didnt require it at a time of less medical technology and advancement than we have today, then why would he require it today? Also, the harmful health effects should be consequence enough......but sadly the real consequence of breaking WoW "commandment" in the modern church for LDS is they move down a few rungs on the totem pole of the Mormon caste system. The white shirts and clean-shaven at the top get to point at you as "lost" and "sinner" from their high horse. Many while they scarf down their second fast food meal of the day......jmack wrote: ↑August 14th, 2019, 8:39 pmPeople always say this about Joseph Smith, who cares? He didn't live it to the degree we do now because they weren't required to at the time. The WofW is voluntary and it's for your benefit. If you want to drink, smoke, and take drugs you can, but you'll have to accept the consequences.thestock wrote: ↑August 14th, 2019, 6:22 amThis is true. Additionally, Joseph Smith was an occasional imbiber of wine and smoker of cigars. When the contemporary health craze that Mindfields is talking about swept through Kirtland, many of the Saints became desirous for some sort of revelation from the Lord about this subject. From what I gather, Joseph was hesitant to issue such a revelation because he did not want to place restrictions but eventually he caved and gave them what they wanted.....although it is interesting to note he placed "not by commandment".Mindfields wrote: ↑August 13th, 2019, 2:55 pm The WOW was nothing new even at the time it was given. All of the WOW's prohibitions were already being considered as possible health issues back in the early 1800's by others outside the church. There is nothing amazing/miraculous about it. Maybe if boil your water before drinking or avoid excess sugar had been included in the WOW then it would've been something amazing/miraculous. At least those weren't really being discussed/considered at the time.
Little good that did. In true Pharisaical fashion, we've gone ahead and built up huge commandments and restrictions that are so far removed from the Spirit of this law that it is a joke.
BIngo! Thank you!
So much ignorance in one post, I will fight the urge to address all of the problems in this post and simply say if all this is to you is an "obedience test" then aren't you concerned you are in a cult? What sort of organization requires obedience to leaders about what members can eat and drink?Jamescm wrote: ↑August 15th, 2019, 10:10 amBIngo! Thank you!
The Word of Wisdom is not a law of health, it is a law of obedience. I'm going to go on a stretch and say to ignore any more recent publication that bills it as a "code of health", because it's wrong. That's okay. PR and manual writers get small details wrong once in a while.
The Word of Wisdom was given as a well-followed suggestion by a prophet of God, and later codified into a hardline commandment by a prophet of God. It is clear that it is not a code of health, because you can be generally healthy despite not following it, and you can be generally unhealthy despite living it to the letter.
When Christ was asked what the commandments were, He listed only two: "Love God" and "Love everyone else". The Ten Commandments, as an example, are merely an expansion of those two, a sort of "alright dummy, this is what I mean when I say it". The Word of Wisdom is much like this. By the letter, caffeine is not against the Word of Wisdom. Does your journey to become obedient to God involve simply drinking anything with caffeine in it that isn't tea or coffee? It ought to rather cause you to stop and suppose "If I want to avoid addictive substances of any kind, maybe I should avoid caffeine, despite being able to consume it and still attend the temple?"
Remember, obedience, not health. If you think _____ tea is good for you and you promise to follow a command not to drink something produced from the tea, that includes _____ tea no matter what part of the plant or its age, end of story. That is probably why it is disqualifying for temple admittance-it's about your lying as much or more than it is the naked act of drinking tea. If I promise the Lord on His condition for remitting my sins that I will never cut my hair or eat grapes, no arguments about the health benefit of grapes or the social expectation of men having short hair will get in the way of that.
Medical use? I strongly doubt the idea that there is anything in the world that marijuana works best on or that only marijuana works on. Besides that, it's worth looking at in this context: How much faith do I have to live a law I've promised to live despite hardship, and what is the nature of the hardship? Am I literally non-functional without a caffeine supplement? Can nothing but marajuana manage the feelings of this pain, and am I absolutely sure without lying to myself that I loathe the thought of simply being "baked"? And if I am appropriately opposed to the idea of altering my capacity to think and make decisions, wouldn't I be trying harder to find an alternative? Two of my immediate family members growing up are addicted to powerful painkillers whose recreational use would be WAY outside temple worthiness, or even just not-being-in-jail. They manage their pain, but the other effects of painkillers-as well as the pain of not having them and the kind of desperation it generates-have done enough damage to our immediate and extended family that maybe it isn't worth it if their resolves are to "come unto Christ". It's not as if they're doing anything else right in regards to their health, anyway, which leads to the painful thought of "how much is actually their fault after years of self-neglect?"
I want to further understand the Gospel and Celestial life. I want to know the "deeper mysteries". I can't be successful in my attempt to seek these things if there is anything at all I've already been given and seek to skirt around, rather than exemplify and expand.
I am no one's bishop, but this is my take:
- Tea is against the Word of Wisdom. That includes green tea, white tea, or whatever else, no matter how delicious green tea ice cream is. The part of the plant you use or the plant's age are irrelevant.
- Coffee is against the Word of Wisdom, caffeine is not (by the letter). This means that decaf is not okay, because it is still coffee.
- Caffeine itself is not, by the letter, against the Word of Wisdom. Nevertheless, I don't want or need it.
- Strong drinks-alcoholic drinks-are against the Word of Wisdom. That includes beer today, whatever the expectation was in times past.
- Smoking tobacco is against the Word of Wisdom. Easy.
- Before this statement against vaping, I would not ever sit and think "Well it's not tobacco, so it's probably okay." It's probably not a hot idea to breathe anything but good air.
- Caffeine is not against the Word of Wisdom, but maybe it should be. I don't want or need it.
- "Recreational" and illegal drugs are listed today not to partake of, the reasons are obvious. Even If marijuana use didn't disqualify one from the temple, I don't want or need any part of it.
- DO eat basically the food pyramid. Give special attention to meat in particular, recognizing the sacredness of the life lost in providing it.
- DO use wholesome food and herbs to maintain your body, having faith in healing and in the priesthood.
- Exercise, by the letter, is not a part of the Word of Wisdom. It's certainly a really good idea, though. It is, directly or indirectly, the easiest fix to almost every health problem anyone in my family has, and I suspect generally as a population. And I don't mean a one mile jog at Planet Fitness during their pizza night. Our bodies are temples, and when they build temples, they don't just throw up some granite on a patch of dirt and call it good, they build and maintain a very strong foundation.
I have to agree with you on that. The fact they formed a 'conspiracy' to hide their activities doesn't sound like being dumb. There should be restrictive consequences. They are not worthy to bless or administer the Sacrament.Seems like a bit more than "scientific experimentation".
I’ve had 2 Cardiologists(separate practices) tell me about the only thing that might possibly be beneficial for a certain heart condition I have is one cup of black coffee a day, and they ARE reputable.......but they still feed me max dose statin and a aspirin......jmack wrote: ↑August 14th, 2019, 8:33 pmI can't imagine a reputable doctor proscribing nicotine and 200 mg of caffeine a day. I think this is an example of self medicating because it's not a healthy combination. There are other medications to proscribe for low blood pressure that won't cause mouth cancer and heart problems.PressingForward wrote: ↑August 13th, 2019, 2:30 pmOf you were prescribed the caffeine pill and nicotine gum, then your Bishop is WRONG WRONG WRONG, and I would go talk to your Stake President.Michael Sherwin wrote: ↑August 13th, 2019, 1:10 pmMy understanding is that it is not a sin to break the word of wisdom. The only effect is to disqualify someone from going to the temple. So the Church uses that as leverage to enforce the word of wisdom. LDS say the temple is where saving ordinances are performed. Is this really correct? Even the telestial realm is far grander than life on this earth. And according to Church doctrine everyone will eventually make it to at least the telestial realm. And that is being saved.NIGHTLIGHT wrote: ↑August 13th, 2019, 12:44 pm Our culture is a joke. My elders are practicing unrightuous dominion on me.... by basing my worthiness on the Word of Wisdom .... hypocrisy, clown country.
It's cool, I forgive you guys, I'm also a hypocrite....but at least I know it.
1 A Word of Wisdom, for the benefit of the council of high priests, assembled in Kirtland, and the church, and also the saints in Zion—
2 To be sent greeting; not by commandment or constraint, but by revelation and the word of wisdom, showing forth the order and will of God in the temporal salvation of all saints in the last days
I was born with a heart defect that was never repaired. I was not ever supposed to make it to my 40th birthday. And here I am at 62yo and still here. However because of my heart defect I have a difficult time staying alert due to low blood pressure and not enough blood flow to my brain. I have found that taking a 200mg caffeine pill and chewing nicotine gum at the same time allows me to be alert most of the day. The bishop would not even consider my special needs and just told me that I was not to do that anymore.
I personally know someone who moved to a state where she could utilize marijuana edibles, prescribed by a MD of course, and has her Temple Recommend.
Well,thestock wrote: ↑August 14th, 2019, 11:23 amI read it clearly to be about health. How else but lung cancer and alcoholism does the destroyer sweep across the people of our nation in the modern era? Unless Joseph Smith meant that by not drinking we wont drive drunk and die in a car accident......inho wrote: ↑August 14th, 2019, 11:06 amI don't think verse 21 is about health. It wasn't about healthy living with the children of Israel.thestock wrote: ↑August 14th, 2019, 11:03 amThe WoW itself disagrees. Of the promises made, health is mentioned 3 times and revelation 1 time. Revelation is the promise in verse 19, the other parts of the word of wisdom are all about health.oneClimbs wrote: ↑August 14th, 2019, 10:52 am This is one of my favorite quotes about the subject:
The “Word of Wisdom [was] given for a principle with promise” (D&C 89:1, 3). But what is the promise? The promise, of course, is personal revelation [...] Now, the Word of Wisdom is, I think, only incidentally to keep us healthy, if we will observe it. [...] It is not that you are going to be a healthy athlete all of your life, and it is not that you are going to avoid old age. It is that you will have the key to revelation. When your body begins to deteriorate, the patterns of revelation will be augmented and magnified.
https://speeches.byu.edu/talks/boyd-k-p ... character/
18 And all saints who remember to keep and do these sayings, walking in obedience to the commandments, shall receive health in their navel and marrow to their bones;
19 And shall find wisdom and great treasures of knowledge, even hidden treasures;
20 And shall run and not be weary, and shall walk and not faint.
21 And I, the Lord, give unto them a promise, that the destroying angel shall pass by them, as the children of Israel, and not slay them. Amen.
I am sure we looked into banning them but the Amish beat us to itPressingForward wrote: ↑August 15th, 2019, 12:30 pmWell,thestock wrote: ↑August 14th, 2019, 11:23 amI read it clearly to be about health. How else but lung cancer and alcoholism does the destroyer sweep across the people of our nation in the modern era? Unless Joseph Smith meant that by not drinking we wont drive drunk and die in a car accident......inho wrote: ↑August 14th, 2019, 11:06 amI don't think verse 21 is about health. It wasn't about healthy living with the children of Israel.thestock wrote: ↑August 14th, 2019, 11:03 am
The WoW itself disagrees. Of the promises made, health is mentioned 3 times and revelation 1 time. Revelation is the promise in verse 19, the other parts of the word of wisdom are all about health.
18 And all saints who remember to keep and do these sayings, walking in obedience to the commandments, shall receive health in their navel and marrow to their bones;
19 And shall find wisdom and great treasures of knowledge, even hidden treasures;
20 And shall run and not be weary, and shall walk and not faint.
21 And I, the Lord, give unto them a promise, that the destroying angel shall pass by them, as the children of Israel, and not slay them. Amen.
Considering 10x more people die in auto accidents each year than die of lung cancer, I’m surprised the current church culture doesn’t ban autos.....
Not really, they condemn coffee because that's what's in the TR Questions.The Airbender wrote: ↑August 15th, 2019, 12:52 pm Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day saint drink hot chocolate while condemning iced coffee because the Word of Wisdom says "hot drinks are not for the body or the belly".
What the hell?buffalo_girl wrote: ↑August 15th, 2019, 12:01 pm
I was told 20-some years ago, by a stake leader's wife, "You must be a very special daughter of Heavenly Father since you were given "non-Celestial sons to raise in mortality."
I guess that stake leader's wife wasn't familiar with Alma the Younger. I'm pretty sure some folks didn't think he was celestial material until that angel interrupted his plans.thestock wrote: ↑August 15th, 2019, 2:44 pmWhat the hell?buffalo_girl wrote: ↑August 15th, 2019, 12:01 pm
I was told 20-some years ago, by a stake leader's wife, "You must be a very special daughter of Heavenly Father since you were given "non-Celestial sons to raise in mortality."