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Re: Another mass shooting in Dayton, OH

Posted: August 6th, 2019, 5:30 pm
by Silver Pie
Even if they are two different people, the coincidence is a bit creepy.

Re: Another mass shooting in Dayton, OH

Posted: August 6th, 2019, 5:35 pm
by Silver Pie
The mass murderer's mother's name is Moira (I really feel for her. She must be going through hell right now). Connor is 24 this year. This Connor only had 1 sibling.

The other Connor was 22 5 years ago (that would make him 27 if he were still alive). His mother's name is Kathleen. This woman had 4 children.

They could be related, but it seems they are not the same people. Still, like I said, the similarities . . . .

Re: Another mass shooting in Dayton, OH

Posted: August 6th, 2019, 5:47 pm
by Silver Pie
Here's another place that says the brother and sister separated - and that she got shot where the others got shot, not in or near the car.
Police Chief Richard Biehl said Sunday at a press conference that Megan arrived at Ned Peppers bar with her brother and a companion but “separated” at some point. They say her companion was wounded but lived. She was shot in the same area as the other victims, according to police. The motive for why Connor shot and killed his sister is unknown. The companion was not named.
https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/connor-b ... er-father/
But this one says it differently:
As police were telling it on Sunday, 24-year-old Connor killed his 22-year-old sister, Megan, and injured a male friend before stepping out of his car in Dayton and murdering seven other innocents with an assault rifle
https://www.thedailybeast.com/dayton-sh ... s-murderer
Maybe the truth is that the police thought that, but it wasn't true? Or he shot them after they got out of the car, but he hadn't stepped out of the car yet (though how anyone would know, unless the "male friend" saw him and said so, is beyond me)?

Re: Another mass shooting in Dayton, OH

Posted: August 6th, 2019, 5:56 pm
by Silver Pie
For those who'd like to know more about the victims and who they were, this gives info about each one:

dayton-shooting-victims-who-they-were

Two of them normally wouldn't have been there. Makes me wonder about God and the nature of things.

Re: Another mass shooting in Dayton, OH

Posted: August 6th, 2019, 6:06 pm
by Silver Pie
The Cincinnati Enquirer asked two experts Monday about the family connection in Sunday’s mass murder. They said it is too early to see the factors that led to Megan Betts’ death apparently at the hands of her brother, Connor Betts, 24, of Bellbrook, Ohio.

“Boy, that’s a tough one,” said Randolph Roth, an Ohio State University historian whose specialty is murder. “We don’t know, forensically, the sequence of events. We don’t know if she was shot trying to stop him.”

Dayton police have said Megan Betts and a male friend spent a portion of Saturday night with her brother, and the trio traveled together to the Oregon District. At some point, Connor Betts separated from his sister, but when he returned to the scene, he was armed and firing . . .

Police said Megan Betts was among the first victims. The male friend, shot in the torso, was among 14 people injured in the shooting. Dayton Police Chief Richard Biehl said Monday there was no indication Megan Betts or the male friend knew of the weapons. He said Connor Betts’ intentions toward his sister during the shooting are not known.

“It just seems to defy believability that he would shoot his own sister, but it is also hard to believe he didn’t recognize his sister,” Biehl said.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... 928195001/

Re: Another mass shooting in Dayton, OH

Posted: August 6th, 2019, 6:16 pm
by Silver Pie
Connor later returned from an alleyway near where the vehicle was parked wearing a bulletproof vest and hearing protection and opened fire. His sister and the male companion, whose identity has not been released, were the second and third victims gunned down, police say. The male survived the attack and is reportedly cooperating with authorities.

Responding officers engaged and killed the shooter "instantaneously and effectively," ending the rampage "in 30 seconds" and preventing much more bloodshed, Chief Biehl told reporters after the attack.

"Had this individual made it through the doorway of Ned Peppers with that level of weaponry, there would have been catastrophic injuries and a loss of life," he added

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2019/0 ... /23789136/

Re: Another mass shooting in Dayton, OH

Posted: August 6th, 2019, 6:32 pm
by kittycat51
Elizabeth wrote: August 6th, 2019, 2:30 pm :lol:

How to explain the photo?
Not even the same. The Connor that died in 2014 was way more heavy set especially in the face. Connor from last weekend was thinner. I can look at them both at a glance and tell they are not the same. Just a crazy coincidence.

Re: Another mass shooting in Dayton, OH

Posted: August 6th, 2019, 6:40 pm
by JohnnyL
Silver Pie wrote: August 6th, 2019, 5:47 pm Here's another place that says the brother and sister separated - and that she got shot where the others got shot, not in or near the car.
Police Chief Richard Biehl said Sunday at a press conference that Megan arrived at Ned Peppers bar with her brother and a companion but “separated” at some point. They say her companion was wounded but lived. She was shot in the same area as the other victims, according to police. The motive for why Connor shot and killed his sister is unknown. The companion was not named.
https://heavy.com/news/2019/08/connor-b ... er-father/
But this one says it differently:
As police were telling it on Sunday, 24-year-old Connor killed his 22-year-old sister, Megan, and injured a male friend before stepping out of his car in Dayton and murdering seven other innocents with an assault rifle
https://www.thedailybeast.com/dayton-sh ... s-murderer
Maybe the truth is that the police thought that, but it wasn't true? Or he shot them after they got out of the car, but he hadn't stepped out of the car yet (though how anyone would know, unless the "male friend" saw him and said so, is beyond me)?
Silver Pie wrote: August 6th, 2019, 6:06 pm
The Cincinnati Enquirer asked two experts Monday about the family connection in Sunday’s mass murder. They said it is too early to see the factors that led to Megan Betts’ death apparently at the hands of her brother, Connor Betts, 24, of Bellbrook, Ohio.

“Boy, that’s a tough one,” said Randolph Roth, an Ohio State University historian whose specialty is murder. “We don’t know, forensically, the sequence of events. We don’t know if she was shot trying to stop him.”

Dayton police have said Megan Betts and a male friend spent a portion of Saturday night with her brother, and the trio traveled together to the Oregon District. At some point, Connor Betts separated from his sister, but when he returned to the scene, he was armed and firing . . .

Police said Megan Betts was among the first victims. The male friend, shot in the torso, was among 14 people injured in the shooting. Dayton Police Chief Richard Biehl said Monday there was no indication Megan Betts or the male friend knew of the weapons. He said Connor Betts’ intentions toward his sister during the shooting are not known.

“It just seems to defy believability that he would shoot his own sister, but it is also hard to believe he didn’t recognize his sister,” Biehl said.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... 928195001/
Hmm... Is her DNA on the assault rifle??

These stories are pretty messed up--he's there, he's not; he had a rifle in the car, he had nothing; he was dressed in armor, he wasn't; etc. It's like they can't get a thing straight.

Re: Another mass shooting in Dayton, OH

Posted: August 6th, 2019, 7:43 pm
by Silver Pie
I know. Too many versions.

Okay, the rifle was in the trunk (or was it in the back seat?). She and her friend didn't know about it (or did they, and they were shot for trying to stop him?). Guy parked the car. Then . . . randomly shot, accidentally getting his sister and her friend - or purposely getting his sister and her friend. They were where everyone else was, or not. Urgh!

I mean I'd believe he didn't drive with armor on, but was he wearing it later? Any pics of this guy taken at the scene?

On the plus, the sister's friend survived, so maybe we'll get a little clearer picture at some point.
JohnnyL wrote: August 6th, 2019, 6:40 pm Hmm... Is her DNA on the assault rifle??

These stories are pretty messed up--he's there, he's not; he had a rifle in the car, he had nothing; he was dressed in armor, he wasn't; etc. It's like they can't get a thing straight.