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Posted: **August 5th, 2019, 2:07 pm**

Interesting that no one is talking about the heroics. A couple got shot. She was holding their two month old baby. The baby had broken bones because she fell on it when she died, and the evidence points to her using her body to shield her baby from getting shot. (So much for the theory that women are wimps who demand that men rescue them.)

And at least two of the employees (female) were trying to help people avoid getting shot.

I've read about the victims and it had me in tears at the evil in this country. I've been corrected in my view that we are not more wicked than other ordinary citizens in other countries, but I feel for the victims and, other than answering "why" and having a dangerous man eliminated, I have no desire to focus on the satanic man (or men, if you are going to include Dayton) who caused such hell in so many, many lives over the weekend.

Posted: **August 5th, 2019, 2:30 pm**

Despite mass shootings, crimes trends are still at historic lows and mass shooting deaths make up less than 1% of total homicides.
https://mises.org/wire/media-focus-mass ... e-trends-0

Posted: **August 5th, 2019, 3:08 pm**

markharr wrote: ↑August 5th, 2019, 12:46 pm The American media: Encouraging/enabling mass violence by publishing the diatribes of the nutjobs who commit it since Ted Kaczynski (maybe earlier)

Except Ted was framed. The FBI knew who the real guy was, but completely ignored reports. Why?

Posted: **August 5th, 2019, 3:23 pm**

Alaris wrote: ↑August 5th, 2019, 1:53 pm
Silver Pie wrote: ↑August 5th, 2019, 1:45 pm Yep. It has begun.

What happens if the conspiracy fanatics are on the wrong end of the gun some day and they see their fellows claiming that the people who went down in blood around them didn't really, and that the guy they saw shooting everyone really wasn't the shooter?
eddie wrote: ↑August 4th, 2019, 4:37 am
gkearney wrote: ↑August 3rd, 2019, 4:16 pm Don’t worry about it Silver Pie, this is the LDSFF, someone will be along shortly to tell us this is all a hoax that everyone there were actors and no one was really killed at all.
I knew it! haha

Is faking deaths the only possible conspiracy element? The fact that only certain mass shootings are publicized by the mainstream media is already an actual conspiracy.

That's part of the pattern. There certainly are mass shootings, but most of those are unreported, and most are "crimes", not "media events". What's the big difference? The FBI isn't involved in most of those--just the local police. Hmm...

Any other patterns? As mentioned above, "drills" that suddenly become live, and drills that remain drills.
Interesting, connected people show up in multiple events. As mentioned above, the parents. Even our LDS missionary in two events!
Interesting, weird connections and "day after" shootings.
FBI and police ignore all kinds of problems with the story.
FBI and police use illegal force, such as illegal entry and search, illegal confiscation, etc.
Multiple shooters seen and even on video, but official reports have only one.
Incredible kill ratios in almost every one--often done by non-experts.
Incredibly incriminating back stories, like Batman's father set to testify with solid incriminating evidence against the banks and make the banks pay a few $T in damages.

I'm sure there are more, this is just off the top of my head...

Posted: **August 5th, 2019, 3:25 pm**

Posted: **August 5th, 2019, 5:06 pm**

Silver Pie wrote: ↑August 5th, 2019, 1:47 pm So we don't really have a corner on the market of psychos willing to massacre their fellow countrymen/women/children. That's a sad commentary on the human race.
JK4Woods wrote: ↑August 4th, 2019, 9:42 am There was that Norweigan guy who who shot 147 people on that island.

And the Japanese group who took swords an killed twenty some commuters at a Tokyo subway station.

A bunch of night club bombings over the years in all sorts of places.

Well there is that guy Lucifer, who screamed at the top of his lungs, spittle flying from his lips shouting and promising his own Father, that he would with gold and silver buy up armies and navies and rule with blood and horror on the face of the earth.

Seems when you have an influencer like that, with a host of minions intent on doing his bidding, you'll have a whole bunch of mayhem.
Peace? Only when his is cast out and chained down...

Posted: **August 5th, 2019, 6:42 pm**

So Many People Were Shot In Chicago This Weekend, A Hospital Had To Briefly Stop Taking Patients

Chicago had two mass shootings within hours of each other on Sunday. In total, 46 were injured and 7 were killed by gun violence in the city over the weekend.

Aug 5, 2019

Back-to-back mass shootings in El Paso, Texas, and Dayton, Ohio, shocked the country this weekend. While the nation mourned with vigils and commemorative events, gunmen in Chicago were also wreaking havoc on the city long plagued with violence.

Dozens of people were shot over the weekend in Chicago, leaving seven people dead and 46 wounded since Friday evening, CBS Chicago reported, and the city experienced two mass shootings within a four-hour span early Sunday morning. The violence in Chicago came after another mass shooting in Brooklyn the week before.

El Paso, Dayton, Chicago: Media doesn't treat all gun violence the same

Chicago police say a gunman in a Chevrolet Camaro opened fire on bystanders at a barbecue in Douglas Park just after 1 a.m. Sunday. All but one victim was listed as stable.

Two other women were shot within an hour just a few blocks away, the Chicago Tribune reported. Then, just before 4 a.m. another eight people were shot, including one fatality in the Lawndale neighborhood, CBS Chicago reported.

In total, 17 people were shot early Sunday morning alone. A local hospital temporarily stopped accepting patients because they were filled to capacity due to the shootings.

Local officials said the three shootings early Sunday were all gang and narcotics-related, according to NBC Chicago, but that it is possible that some of the victims were bystanders.

“I’m going to stop myself from becoming political here, but you have to stop and ask yourself ‘what more will it take before we get a handle on what’s going on, not just in Chicago bunt across the county?” said local superintendent Eddie Johnson.

The shootings comes on the heels of another mass shooting at a New York City block party, where on July 27, two gunmen opened fire in the middle of a block party killing Jason Pagan, 38, and injuring 12 other bystanders, even with more than 100 police officers on site, according to Bklyner.

Posted: **August 5th, 2019, 7:24 pm**

Elizabeth wrote: ↑August 4th, 2019, 4:20 pm The two shootings in two states bring the mass shootings this year in the US to 251 in just 216 days.

How many people have been shot in Chicago this year.
How many people have been shot in Detroit this year.
Washington D.C.
Oakland CA
Newark NJ
Compton and INglewood CA

Etc ad infinitum.

You see, this happens all the time. But only on certain occasions does the media circus pick up something and run it into the ground promoting their agenda?

What about the worst mass murder of school children in American history. Bath, Michigan in 1927. 38 children and 6 adults killed. And 58 injured. And it had been set up to get a lot more people, but circumstances intervened.

The point being, welcome to the real world. People have always gotten killed every day. Always have and always will.

Don't play into the media circus's agenda on this.
dc

Posted: **August 5th, 2019, 8:27 pm**

JohnnyL wrote: ↑August 5th, 2019, 3:23 pm
Incredible kill ratios in almost every one--often done by non-experts.

This is key.

Experienced shooters, not basement dwellers. If you don't believe this go to an IPCC match and ask to run the course and get a volunteer gun and see what you can hit in 30 to 120 seconds.

Posted: **August 5th, 2019, 8:30 pm**

Elizabeth wrote: ↑August 5th, 2019, 6:42 pm So Many People Were Shot In Chicago This Weekend, A Hospital Had To Briefly Stop Taking Patients

Chicago had two mass shootings within hours of each other on Sunday. In total, 46 were injured and 7 were killed by gun violence in the city over the weekend.

Aug 5, 2019

Back-to-back mass shootings in El Paso, Texas, and Dayton, Ohio, shocked the country this weekend. While the nation mourned with vigils and commemorative events, gunmen in Chicago were also wreaking havoc on the city long plagued with violence.

Dozens of people were shot over the weekend in Chicago, leaving seven people dead and 46 wounded since Friday evening, CBS Chicago reported, and the city experienced two mass shootings within a four-hour span early Sunday morning. The violence in Chicago came after another mass shooting in Brooklyn the week before.

El Paso, Dayton, Chicago: Media doesn't treat all gun violence the same

Chicago police say a gunman in a Chevrolet Camaro opened fire on bystanders at a barbecue in Douglas Park just after 1 a.m. Sunday. All but one victim was listed as stable.

Two other women were shot within an hour just a few blocks away, the Chicago Tribune reported. Then, just before 4 a.m. another eight people were shot, including one fatality in the Lawndale neighborhood, CBS Chicago reported.

In total, 17 people were shot early Sunday morning alone. A local hospital temporarily stopped accepting patients because they were filled to capacity due to the shootings.

Local officials said the three shootings early Sunday were all gang and narcotics-related, according to NBC Chicago, but that it is possible that some of the victims were bystanders.

“I’m going to stop myself from becoming political here, but you have to stop and ask yourself ‘what more will it take before we get a handle on what’s going on, not just in Chicago bunt across the county?” said local superintendent Eddie Johnson.

The shootings comes on the heels of another mass shooting at a New York City block party, where on July 27, two gunmen opened fire in the middle of a block party killing Jason Pagan, 38, and injuring 12 other bystanders, even with more than 100 police officers on site, according to Bklyner.

Are you confirming that guns don't kill people, people kill people?

What is your point of these multiple posts?

Posted: **August 5th, 2019, 8:37 pm**

David13 wrote: ↑August 5th, 2019, 7:24 pm
Elizabeth wrote: ↑August 4th, 2019, 4:20 pm The two shootings in two states bring the mass shootings this year in the US to 251 in just 216 days.
How many people have been shot in Chicago this year.
How many people have been shot in Detroit this year.
Washington D.C.
Oakland CA
Newark NJ
Compton and INglewood CA

Etc ad infinitum.

You see, this happens all the time. But only on certain occasions does the media circus pick up something and run it into the ground promoting their agenda?

What about the worst mass murder of school children in American history. Bath, Michigan in 1927. 38 children and 6 adults killed. And 58 injured. And it had been set up to get a lot more people, but circumstances intervened.

The point being, welcome to the real world. People have always gotten killed every day. Always have and always will.

Don't play into the media circus's agenda on this.
dc

Lets go Q for a minute.

Major crimes and players about to be declassified, BOOM, narrative change.

8chan (Q communication method) tossed off it's hosting site, then moved to another host, only to be tossed off that one too. They have been trying to shut Q up for a year, BOOM, off the check list.

So who cares if we kill some sheeple peeps, look how much traction we get. Black Hats winning again. Sheeple screaming disarm law abiding citizens NOW.

Yeah they used to us actors and a fake setting, but now real people are ok too.

These people are EVIL they are Gadiations on steroids.

Posted: **August 5th, 2019, 9:37 pm**

Elizabeth wrote: ↑August 5th, 2019, 9:33 pm 15 pages of documented shootings in US this year 2019:

https://www.docdroid.net/grcnGaG/2019-shooters.docx

.

Posted: **August 5th, 2019, 10:36 pm**

According to Wikipedia, mass shootings have tripled since 2011. (I know a lot of people turn their noses up at Wikipedia, but it often has good sources in the footnotes, in the articles I've read, anyway.)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_sh ... prov=sfla1

Posted: **August 5th, 2019, 10:37 pm**

Triple Amen to this, JK!

JK4Woods wrote: ↑August 5th, 2019, 5:06 pm Well there is that guy Lucifer, who screamed at the top of his lungs, spittle flying from his lips shouting and promising his own Father, that he would with gold and silver buy up armies and navies and rule with blood and horror on the face of the earth.

Seems when you have an influencer like that, with a host of minions intent on doing his bidding, you'll have a whole bunch of mayhem.
Peace? Only when his is cast out and chained down...

Posted: **August 5th, 2019, 10:40 pm**

Elizabeth keeps up on the violence of the world and posts them in a verrrry long thread she created some years ago. If you follow the quote link in one of her posts where she quotes herself, it should take you to her thread.

Lord of my dogs wrote: ↑August 5th, 2019, 8:30 pm Are you confirming that guns don't kill people, people kill people?

What is your point of these multiple posts?

Posted: **August 6th, 2019, 7:41 am**

AIM Truth Bits – Citizens Addicted to Truth

Posted: **August 6th, 2019, 8:18 am**

Lord of my dogs wrote: ↑August 5th, 2019, 8:27 pm
JohnnyL wrote: ↑August 5th, 2019, 3:23 pm
Incredible kill ratios in almost every one--often done by non-experts.

This is key.

Experienced shooters, not basement dwellers. If you don't believe this go to an IPCC match and ask to run the course and get a volunteer gun and see what you can hit in 30 to 120 seconds.

"two gunmen opened fire in the middle of a block party killing Jason Pagan, 38, and injuring 12 other bystanders, even with more than 100 police officers on site"
Here is a "real" mass shooting kill ratio--1/13.

Also, notice they did this with "more than 100 policemen" right there.

Posted: **August 6th, 2019, 9:12 am**

Elizabeth, from the website you posted Connor's obituary from 5 years ago:

BOOM: FOX REPORTER REPORTS NEXT SHOOTING 23 MINUTES BEFORE IT HAPPENED: ANOTHER BUILDING 7!!!
The patriot that submitted this video writes: “This proves the deep state is doing the shootings. In the video a FOX news announcer for a local station in the city a third shooting was supposed to happen in on Saturday (at another WalMart) announces the next shooting by accident, BEFORE IT HAPPENED, and she checks her twitter and re-checks, looks a little confused, and then says “that hasn’t happened yet”.”

The poster continues to write, “this proves Twitter is in on the shootings, Fox News is in on the shootings, Wal Mart is in on the shootings – they HAVE TO be a huge open joke among those who are “privileged”, there’s no way Twitter missed the fact that these people were using their platform to announce and plan the next shooting and there’s no way Wal Mart had this happen at two of their stores by accident, and there’s NO WAY FOX HAD THE REPORT AHEAD OF TIME WITHOUT BEING DIRECTLY INVOLVED, BUSTED BUSTED BUSTED.”

Interesting.

Posted: **August 6th, 2019, 9:22 am**

Elizabeth wrote: ↑August 6th, 2019, 7:41 am AIM Truth Bits – Citizens Addicted to Truth

Before anyone gets confused, this obituary is from a DIFFERENT Connor Betts who also happened to have a sister named Megan. Not the same person as who did the evil deed in Dayton.

One was Connor D Betts born 12 Feb 1992 and the OTHER (Dayton shooter) was Connor Stephen Betts born 28 Oct 1994.

Posted: **August 6th, 2019, 9:26 am**

I'm interested in actually solving the problem not pointing fingers. Taking away guns is not going to solve the problem so long as there are knives, cars, bombs, or anything else that can be used to cause mass casualties.

Guns have been part of American culture since before our founding. These frequent mass shootings are a recent development along with ultra violent video games, movies, music, and other media.

But, but, but studies show that violent media doesn't cause mass murders.

Studies funded by whom?

If my second amendment rights are on the table, their first amendment rights to produce this garbage are on the table.

Posted: **August 6th, 2019, 9:58 am**

markharr wrote: ↑August 6th, 2019, 9:26 am I'm interested in actually solving the problem not pointing fingers. Taking away guns is not going to solve the problem so long as there are knives, cars, bombs, or anything else that can be used to cause mass casualties.

Guns have been part of American culture since before our founding. These frequent mass shootings are a recent development along with ultra violent video games, movies, music, and other media.

But, but, but studies show that violent media doesn't cause mass murders.

Studies funded by whom?

If my second amendment rights are on the table, their first amendment rights to produce this garbage are on the table.

Yes sir. Guns are the issue because they don't like guns and it makes them feel righteous by picking on the horrible, evil guns, but those hypocrites make movies glorifying every manner of violence you can imagine, with and without guns. Video games (especially), music, you name it. I see media as a much bigger culprit here. They normalize, glorify, and romanticize violence. And I say this as someone who is NOT a gun guy. I own no guns, so I'm not saying this out of a biased love of guns. Media is a major culprit here. I'm not prepared to say that our national love of guns is not at least partially to blame either, but it's not just a "guns are evil" thing.

Posted: **August 6th, 2019, 10:15 am**

gangbusters wrote: ↑August 6th, 2019, 9:58 am
markharr wrote: ↑August 6th, 2019, 9:26 am I'm interested in actually solving the problem not pointing fingers. Taking away guns is not going to solve the problem so long as there are knives, cars, bombs, or anything else that can be used to cause mass casualties.

Guns have been part of American culture since before our founding. These frequent mass shootings are a recent development along with ultra violent video games, movies, music, and other media.

But, but, but studies show that violent media doesn't cause mass murders.

Studies funded by whom?

If my second amendment rights are on the table, their first amendment rights to produce this garbage are on the table.
Yes sir. Guns are the issue because they don't like other people having guns

Fixed it for ya. The screeching banshees clamoring for more "gun control", who want to confiscate guns from law-abiding U.S. citizens, are, as always, the biggest hypocrites on the planet, as they themselves either own guns and/or are protected by guards carrying guns. This is about control, make no mistake, but not the type of "gun control" they claim.

Posted: **August 6th, 2019, 10:56 am**

If red flag legislation passes it's over. You may as well give up any guns you have now.

They will leave the definition of what constitutes a mental illness up to a bunch of unelected radical leftist psychologists and within a matter of years every single American will have a mental illness.

Posted: **August 6th, 2019, 11:07 am**

FACT CHECK: The U.S. Doesn't Lead the World in Mass Shootings

A common myth you can expect to hear a lot in the coming days and weeks is that the United States “leads the world in mass shootings” and therefore we must pass some law that will do nothing to stop future mass shootings, but will infringe on the rights of law-abiding gun owners.

What you might not hear is that this claim is completely bogus.

Sure, if you following conservative media, you’re probably aware of this. Townhall, The Daily Signal, Bearing Arms, FEE, The Washington Examiner, and others have all previously reported on how the myth that the United States leads the world in mass shootings is based on a deeply flawed study, which has been debunked by the Crime Prevention Research Center.

Yet, the myth remains alive and is sure to be regurgitated endlessly again.

The following video from John Stossel explains how the myth got started and why it's bogus:

https://pjmedia.com/trending/no-the-uni ... shootings/

Posted: **August 6th, 2019, 11:26 am**

markharr wrote: ↑August 6th, 2019, 10:56 am If red flag legislation passes it's over. You may as well give up any guns you have now.

They will leave the definition of what constitutes a mental illness up to a bunch of unelected radical leftist psychologists and within a matter of years every single American will have a mental illness.

If passed nationally, it must be resisted on a state level. Nullify.

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