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What year is the year for each of you that if nothing ever happens then you will through in the towel and conclude Christianity is a myth? By what year do you think Christianity will completely disappear if Jesus never returns? Or is this a question you are not willing to entertain. I can understand people today being adamant saying Jesus is absolutely coming back no matter how long it takes. But, will there be people in 4019 A.D. still as adamant? I have often wondered about this. But never thought to ask others. Does Christianity have an expiration date?

Maybe Jesus already returned and most people missed it.

Maybe the millennium won't come until 300 or 400 years from now?

Maybe people get most predictions wrong because they are giving a literal meaning to something that was intended to be symbolic.

I'm not saying I have the answer to your questions, just some thoughts to consider.

Michael Sherwin wrote: ↑August 2nd, 2019, 10:04 am What year is the year for each of you that if nothing ever happens then you will through in the towel and conclude Christianity is a myth? By what year do you think Christianity will completely disappear if Jesus never returns? Or is this a question you are not willing to entertain. I can understand people today being adamant saying Jesus is absolutely coming back no matter how long it takes. But, will there be people in 4019 A.D. still as adamant? I have often wondered about this. But never thought to ask others. Does Christianity have an expiration date?

If my life span was ~1000 years, I'd probably begin to believe all the prophecies regarding the last days were wrong around the end of my life. ~900 years. Gives me enough time to entertain the thought that maybe the seals and the start/end dates of the seals were off by a couple hundred years etc. At that point I'd probably be convinced it aint happening.

Never...

The early Christians thought that the second coming would happen during their lifetime. That was nearly 2000 years ago, and the religion still thrives. Based on that, I don't think there is an expiration date for Christianity.

Do I hear a "the Lord delayeth His coming"? Anyone? Anyone?

I've seen a lot of well argued theories with some dates that go to near the end of this century. I personally feel that 2033 makes a lot of sense, and throughout my life I have had a "gut feeling" about 2050-2055 (I'll be a very old man if I haven't shaken off my mortal coil by then)

I could see the argument for 2092 (600 years after Columbus sailed the ocean blue, mirroring the 600 years B.C. voyage of Lehi and fam.)
300-400 more years I think unlikely but possible.

We need to spend more time worried about it as if it were going to be tomorrow or next week, regardless of when it actually is. Because for each of us, tomorrow isn't promised and we need to be always ready.

I don't see a correlation between the Second Coming taking forever and Christianity not being true. However, the seeming delay in the Second Coming already has made many people forget or discount it probably. My barber is a big Christian and it's amazing he gives nary a passing thought to the Second Coming, despite it being THE major event left to happen on earth. A lot of that has to do with it not being a big point of emphasis for most Christians.

I'm sure if decades go by the furor will die down and people will become extremely complacent, though not giving up on the belief in the Second Coming. I swing back and forth like a pendulum. I can't imagine how we'll last another decade sometimes, other times I think we could easily have decades. So in summary I don't think the passage of time will dim people's belief in Christianity as much as create complacency concerning the Second Coming.

Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, supplies the answer.

Rising Generation

There, the oldest post quotes said teachings, and was a prime driver of the 7yrs of Prosperity Experiment.

Never...

Michael Sherwin wrote: ↑August 2nd, 2019, 10:04 am What year is the year for each of you that if nothing ever happens then you will through in the towel and conclude Christianity is a myth? By what year do you think Christianity will completely disappear if Jesus never returns? Or is this a question you are not willing to entertain. I can understand people today being adamant saying Jesus is absolutely coming back no matter how long it takes. But, will there be people in 4019 A.D. still as adamant? I have often wondered about this. But never thought to ask others. Does Christianity have an expiration date?

Based on 3 Nephi 1, I'd say that it'll be the day after whatever date you pick. I think to be a true Christian, you have to be willing to go down with the ship, even if it means never getting a confirmation of your beliefs.

The second coming is our own personal deaths.

Original_Intent wrote: ↑August 2nd, 2019, 10:39 am Do I hear a "the Lord delayeth His coming"? Anyone? Anyone?

I've seen a lot of well argued theories with some dates that go to near the end of this century. I personally feel that 2033 makes a lot of sense, and throughout my life I have had a "gut feeling" about 2050-2055 (I'll be a very old man if I haven't shaken off my mortal coil by then)

I could see the argument for 2092 (600 years after Columbus sailed the ocean blue, mirroring the 600 years B.C. voyage of Lehi and fam.)
300-400 more years I think unlikely but possible.

We need to spend more time worried about it as if it were going to be tomorrow or next week, regardless of when it actually is. Because for each of us, tomorrow isn't promised and we need to be always ready.

I have no idea when the actual second coming in power and glory is. Your estimates could be good. However, I am most interested in Adam-ondi-Ahman and the establishment of the New Jerusalem. That will be my second coming.
But, if we delay it that long, it is only because we are incredibly dense and slow in our progression toward a Zion people. I firmly believe that is the only delay now.

Original_Intent wrote: ↑August 2nd, 2019, 10:39 am Do I hear a "the Lord delayeth His coming"? Anyone? Anyone?

I've seen a lot of well argued theories with some dates that go to near the end of this century. I personally feel that 2033 makes a lot of sense, and throughout my life I have had a "gut feeling" about 2050-2055 (I'll be a very old man if I haven't shaken off my mortal coil by then)

I could see the argument for 2092 (600 years after Columbus sailed the ocean blue, mirroring the 600 years B.C. voyage of Lehi and fam.)
300-400 more years I think unlikely but possible.

We need to spend more time worried about it as if it were going to be tomorrow or next week, regardless of when it actually is. Because for each of us, tomorrow isn't promised and we need to be always ready.

When I was in my early 20’s I had a weird dream, the US broken apart (Mississippi dividing it) and me being 74 (2051).

I truly believe the trek to Adams’s valley will be about 2030-33

Rand wrote: ↑August 2nd, 2019, 8:55 pm

Original_Intent wrote: ↑August 2nd, 2019, 10:39 am Do I hear a "the Lord delayeth His coming"? Anyone? Anyone?

I've seen a lot of well argued theories with some dates that go to near the end of this century. I personally feel that 2033 makes a lot of sense, and throughout my life I have had a "gut feeling" about 2050-2055 (I'll be a very old man if I haven't shaken off my mortal coil by then)

I could see the argument for 2092 (600 years after Columbus sailed the ocean blue, mirroring the 600 years B.C. voyage of Lehi and fam.)
300-400 more years I think unlikely but possible.

We need to spend more time worried about it as if it were going to be tomorrow or next week, regardless of when it actually is. Because for each of us, tomorrow isn't promised and we need to be always ready.

I have no idea when the actual second coming in power and glory is. Your estimates could be good. However, I am most interested in Adam-ondi-Ahman and the establishment of the New Jerusalem. That will be my second coming.
But, if we delay it that long, it is only because we are incredibly dense and slow in our progression toward a Zion people. I firmly believe that is the only delay now.

I think us traveling to Adams’s valley and Daniel 7:9 go hand and hand. Ancient of days will bring down the 4th kingdom and leave us (Davidic servant) in charge of building New Jerusalem. I believe we are doing what we need to be doing now (family, missionary work, example to others)

Michael Sherwin wrote: ↑August 2nd, 2019, 10:04 am What year is the year for each of you that if nothing ever happens then you will through in the towel and conclude Christianity is a myth? By what year do you think Christianity will completely disappear if Jesus never returns? Or is this a question you are not willing to entertain. I can understand people today being adamant saying Jesus is absolutely coming back no matter how long it takes. But, will there be people in 4019 A.D. still as adamant? I have often wondered about this. But never thought to ask others. Does Christianity have an expiration date?

If I die and cease to exist then I will no longer believe in Christianity. Unless that happens, if I don't see the complete fulfillment of prophecy in my lifetime it will not negatively impact my faith.

If you die and “cease to exist” you will not be able to choose not to believe in Christianity, or anything else for that matter.

Pascal the French mathematician, once was asked how a man of logic and learning such as himself could also be a believer in God. His reply was that if one believed in God and there was no god there would be no harm done. But should you not believe in God and there was a god the outcome could be bad indeed.

I don’t think that a belief in the second coming of Christ is a prerequisite for being a Christian.

Michael Sherwin wrote: ↑August 2nd, 2019, 10:04 am What year is the year for each of you that if nothing ever happens then you will through in the towel and conclude Christianity is a myth? By what year do you think Christianity will completely disappear if Jesus never returns? Or is this a question you are not willing to entertain. I can understand people today being adamant saying Jesus is absolutely coming back no matter how long it takes. But, will there be people in 4019 A.D. still as adamant? I have often wondered about this. But never thought to ask others. Does Christianity have an expiration date?

If nothing ever happens? But it already has! Brother Sherwin, with all due respect, there is much more solid evidence for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ than for your existence. Ask not if Christianity has an expiry date, ask what your own expiry date might be and live accordingly. God bless.

Bronco73idi wrote: ↑August 2nd, 2019, 9:21 pm

Original_Intent wrote: ↑August 2nd, 2019, 10:39 am Do I hear a "the Lord delayeth His coming"? Anyone? Anyone?

I've seen a lot of well argued theories with some dates that go to near the end of this century. I personally feel that 2033 makes a lot of sense, and throughout my life I have had a "gut feeling" about 2050-2055 (I'll be a very old man if I haven't shaken off my mortal coil by then)

I could see the argument for 2092 (600 years after Columbus sailed the ocean blue, mirroring the 600 years B.C. voyage of Lehi and fam.)
300-400 more years I think unlikely but possible.

We need to spend more time worried about it as if it were going to be tomorrow or next week, regardless of when it actually is. Because for each of us, tomorrow isn't promised and we need to be always ready.

When I was in my early 20’s I had a weird dream, the US broken apart (Mississippi dividing it) and me being 74 (2051).

I truly believe the trek to Adams’s valley will be about 2030-33

08/12/2045 & 03/30/2052 are another cycle of eclipses, similar to 08/21/2017 & 04/08/2024.

One said eclipse occurred on the standing prophets last birthday, and when (as near as can be determined) prosperity first was known to have begun. The early pair of said eclipses cross somewhere important to our past, so too the later pair may cross somewhere important in our future.

The Liahona was round with two pointers, similar to the Earth, Moon and Sun.

Flat-Earth er’s, and other deniers of reality, will always fail to acknowledge the truth, though it be laid plainly before them.

I will point out yet again that the crossing point of the two eclipses 2017 and 2024 will occur just to the southwest of Carbondale, Illinois. I know of nothing in church history of any note that happened in that area.

gkearney wrote: ↑August 3rd, 2019, 7:56 am I will point out yet again that the crossing point of the two eclipses 2017 and 2024 will occur just to the southwest of Carbondale, Illinois. I know of nothing in church history of any note that happened in that area.

This is correct. Even if you allow for the area of totality under both eclipses, that puts the X-spot at southern Illinois. Independence MO and Nauvoo IL only get a partial eclipse.

Original_Intent wrote: ↑August 2nd, 2019, 10:39 am Do I hear a "the Lord delayeth His coming"? Anyone? Anyone?

I've seen a lot of well argued theories with some dates that go to near the end of this century. I personally feel that 2033 makes a lot of sense, and throughout my life I have had a "gut feeling" about 2050-2055 (I'll be a very old man if I haven't shaken off my mortal coil by then)

I could see the argument for 2092 (600 years after Columbus sailed the ocean blue, mirroring the 600 years B.C. voyage of Lehi and fam.)
300-400 more years I think unlikely but possible.

We need to spend more time worried about it as if it were going to be tomorrow or next week, regardless of when it actually is. Because for each of us, tomorrow isn't promised and we need to be always ready.

I had forgotten about that scripture actually. I suppose I should repent eh??

Someone made a thread forever ago on “the Lord delayeth his coming”

viewtopic.php?t=659

Michael Sherwin wrote: ↑August 2nd, 2019, 10:04 am What year is the year for each of you that if nothing ever happens then you will through in the towel and conclude Christianity is a myth? By what year do you think Christianity will completely disappear if Jesus never returns? Or is this a question you are not willing to entertain. I can understand people today being adamant saying Jesus is absolutely coming back no matter how long it takes. But, will there be people in 4019 A.D. still as adamant? I have often wondered about this. But never thought to ask others. Does Christianity have an expiration date?

The irony I see here is that the poster doesn't recognize that prophecy is being fulfilled and in an abundant way. For heaven sakes.... read your scriptures! Listen to the Prophet, we are already turning the corner!!! www.thebridegroomcometh.net/book

I agree with "friendsofthe" I thank his encouraging words. The prophet is more than hinting it.

gkearney wrote: ↑August 3rd, 2019, 7:56 am I will point out yet again that the crossing point of the two eclipses 2017 and 2024 will occur just to the southwest of Carbondale, Illinois. I know of nothing in church history of any note that happened in that area.

Gidgiddoni @ 13 minutes in, and

davedan wrote: ↑June 4th, 2017, 1:08 am An interesting event may have occurred at the exact intersection of the 2017 and 2024 eclipses in southern Illinois. This may be the location where King Lachoneas gathered the Nephites in the center of their land.

The southern tip of Illinois is surrounded by Mississippi on one side and the Ohio River on the other. Hopewell (Nephites) built a series of hilltop forts across the tip of the state from the banks of one river to the other.

Which came first: Men on the Moon, or exact plots of the Crossroads of Totality

Why is it that the current Prophet always seems to be spot on with his, may I say, somewhat generalized predictions, when past prophet's predictions have come and gone unfulfilled. e.g. President's Hinckley's 7 year's of plenty/famine speech among others?