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Ancient Israel broke the old one, and have reaped their reward, yet waiting to be restored or vindicated.

So what do all yous think about these last days prophecies of a new covenant yet to be established among Israel?

Ezekiel 36

And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.
And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules.

Jeremiah 31

”Behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah,
not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the LORD.
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”

Jeremiah 32

And they shall be my people, and I will be their God.
I will give them one heart and one way, that they may fear me forever, for their own good and the good of their children after them.
I will make with them an everlasting covenant, that I will not turn away from doing good to them. And I will put the fear of me in their hearts, that they may not turn from me.
I will rejoice in doing them good, and I will plant them in this land in faithfulness, with all my heart and all my soul.
For thus says the LORD: Just as I have brought all this great disaster upon this people, so I will bring upon them all the good that I promise them.

Hebrews 8

For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion to look for a second.
For he finds fault with them when he says: “Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will establish a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt. For they did not continue in my covenant, and so I showed no concern for them, declares the Lord.
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws into their minds, and write them on their hearts, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
And they shall not teach, each one his neighbor and each one his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest.
For I will be merciful toward their iniquities, and I will remember their sins no more.”

So we have a new covenant yet to be made, where God does not write His Law upon stone tablets but upon the hearts of His people. Israel’s sins and their attendant curses will be done away with.

The phrase “they shall be His people, and He will be their God” carries a much heavier meaning than one might think.

Any ideas or thoughts on what the purpose and object of this covenant will be? Moses mediated the old one, who will mediate this new one I wonder? What blessings & responsibilities are to be enjoyed and expected upon entering this new covenant relationship with the God of Israel? When will this happen? The Millennium, or the last days or sometime else? Will this new covenant be offered in equal measure to the gentiles as it is to literal Israel?

abijah wrote: ↑July 28th, 2019, 3:42 pm

Ancient Israel broke the old one, and have reaped their reward, yet waiting to be restored or vindicated.

So what do all yous think about these last days prophecies of a new covenant yet to be established among Israel?

Ezekiel 36

And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.
And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules.

Jeremiah 31

”Behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah,
not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the LORD.
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”

Jeremiah 32

And they shall be my people, and I will be their God.
I will give them one heart and one way, that they may fear me forever, for their own good and the good of their children after them.
I will make with them an everlasting covenant, that I will not turn away from doing good to them. And I will put the fear of me in their hearts, that they may not turn from me.
I will rejoice in doing them good, and I will plant them in this land in faithfulness, with all my heart and all my soul.
For thus says the LORD: Just as I have brought all this great disaster upon this people, so I will bring upon them all the good that I promise them.

Hebrews 8

For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion to look for a second.
For he finds fault with them when he says: “Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will establish a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt. For they did not continue in my covenant, and so I showed no concern for them, declares the Lord.
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws into their minds, and write them on their hearts, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
And they shall not teach, each one his neighbor and each one his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest.
For I will be merciful toward their iniquities, and I will remember their sins no more.”

So we have a new covenant yet to be made, where God does not write His Law upon stone tablets but upon the hearts of His people. Israel’s sins and their attendant curses will be done away with.

The phrase “they shall be His people, and He will be their God” carries a much heavier meaning than one might think.

Any ideas or thoughts on what the purpose and object of this covenant will be? Moses mediated the old one, who will mediate this new one I wonder? What blessings & responsibilities are to be enjoyed and expected upon entering this new covenant relationship with the God of Israel? When will this happen? The Millennium, or the last days or sometime else? Will this new covenant be offered in equal measure to the gentiles as it is to literal Israel?

I always supposed it was this:

And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

18I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. 19Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also. 20At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. 21He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. 22Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world? 23Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. 24He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

25These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. 26But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
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If it hasn't happened yet....I'm not sure what it would mean.

Absolutely, I wholly agree! As for myself it is my view that whenever this covenant is established, the Personage of the Holy Ghost will be the Mediator thereof, a new Moses before a new Israel and representing them before YHWH. And the scriptures are clear, there will indeed be a new Israel, a new Sinai and a new Law. YHWH the “Man of war” and the gods of Egypt will have their cosmic rematch. There will be a new Pharaoh, a new Exodus, as well as the new parting of a new Red Sea. Adam’s price was paid for by Jesus - however the return to God’s Presence and reinstatement as keeper of God’s Mountain has yet to become reality.

Here’s an excerpt from a post of mine from a while back on this subject -

Verse 7: "he limiteth a certain day...in David", that sounds familiar.

“…their unbelief has not rendered the promise of God [to make with them a new covenant] of none effect: no, for there was another day limited in David, which was the day of His power; [when a prophet of the lineage of David shall be raised up] and then His people, Israel, should be a willing people, and he would write his law in their hearts, and print it in their thoughts; their sins and their iniquities he would remember no more” (Joseph Smith, History of the Church, vol. 1, p. 313.)

Another day limited in David, the prophet writes in reference to this verse. The same verse being quoted in the prior chapter, but ascribed to the Personage of the Holy Ghost. "Please", the author of Hebrews implores the members of the LDS Church - "Please do not follow in the steps of your fathers who provoked the Angel of the Lord's presence, and hearkened not to his voice. Please don't be them". Listen to the voice of the Spirit; was this not the theme of General Conference?

Joseph describes the main purpose of the ministry of the Davidic Servant; to bear the message of a new covenant, which upon the saints of God he will endow, when the way of the Lord shall be written upon their hearts.

Jeremiah 31

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Sounds exactly like the sanctification process of receiving the Holy Ghost and experiencing the baptism of fire.

Psalm 110

3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.

Jeremiah 32

38 And they shall be my people, and I will be their God:

39 And I will give them one heart, and one way, that they may fear me for ever, for the good of them, and of their children after them:

40 And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.

41 Yea, I will rejoice over them to do them good, and I will plant them in this land assuredly with my whole heart and with my whole soul.

42 For thus saith the Lord; Like as I have brought all this great evil upon this people, so will I bring upon them all the good that I have promised them

Latter-day prophecies foretell the rising up of a prophet among the Jews in the last days to prepare the way for the second coming of Christ, whose mission corresponds to the Jewish messianic concept. Joseph Smith predicted a change would come over Israel in the days of this prophet when he said, speaking of the Jews:

“… their unbelief has not rendered the promise of God [to make with them a new covenant] of none effect: no, for there was another day limited in David, which was the day of His power; [when a prophet of the lineage of David shall be raised up] and then His people, Israel, should be a willing people. …” (Joseph Smith, History of the Church, vol. 1, p. 313.)

Because the Jews rejected Christ, they were cast off from enjoying the rights of the priesthood and the gifts of the Spirit, enabling the Gentiles to receive the gospel and to be considered as people of the covenant. Paul, using the symbolism of the olive tree, indicated that the Jews would eventually be grafted back into the tree, while the Gentiles would be in danger of being broken off. Paul also said that receiving the Jews into the new covenant would be as “life from the dead.” (Rom. 11:15.) But, he said, “… blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.” (Rom. 11:25.)

The Lord provided a means to dispel the partial spiritual blindness resting on the Jews when he commanded Latter-day Saints to “seek diligently to turn … the hearts of the Jews unto the prophets, and the prophets unto the Jews. …” (D&C 98:16–17.) As the mission of Ephraim unfolds, we may expect great things from Judah. (Avraham Gileadi, How have the Jewish people come to view their early expectation of a Messiah?, Ensign February 1975)

And then who does Paul talk about in Romans 11:26?

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

The Deliverer. Orson Pratt had something to say about this Deliverer:

Who will be that Deliverer? Certainly Jesus, when he came eighteen centuries ago, did not turn away ungodliness from Jacob, for they then were filling up their cup with iniquity. They have remained in unbelief from that day to this; hence, there did not come a Deliverer out of Zion eighteen centuries ago. But the Zion of the last days, that Zion that is so frequently and so fully spoken of by the ancient prophets, especially by Isaiah, is the Church and kingdom of God; and out of that Church or kingdom or Zion is to come a Deliverer, who will turn away ungodliness from Jacob after the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

Who will come? The Deliverer. What will he do? Establish a covenant among the people of God, changing their hearts and their minds and sanctifying them from all sin. Is it still not obvious? Can you not taste the truth of this doctrine?

Hebrews 8

8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

He who receives the First Comforter is enabled to fully receive the Second. "For all shall know me", Jehovah declares by the tongue of the prophet.

The Third God will take upon him flesh, and fulfil the earthly counterpart to his heavenly mission.

Joseph looked with an eye for that new day limited in David. He states in no ambiguous terms just what lies in store for Israel when the Lord makes the horn of David to bud,

Joseph Smith Jr

Their unbelief has not rendered the promise of God (to make with them a new covenant) of none effect: no, for there was another day limited in David, which was the day of His power; [when a prophet of the lineage of David shall be raised up] and then His people, Israel, should be a willing people...” (Joseph Smith, History of the Church, vol. 1, p. 313., emphasis added)

When the appointed day of David dawns, Israel will break its habit of rebelliousness and pattern of backsliding, but instead will be a “willing people”, in the “day of his power”. That also rings familiar...



Even as Israel through this new covenant will become renewed in the dew of their youth, so it seems this messianic figure alluded to by Joseph somehow is as well, and from “the womb of the morning”. The night soon ends but the old morning star fell and; the return of the dawn is now heralded by her new son.

abijah wrote: ↑July 28th, 2019, 6:27 pm Absolutely, I wholly agree! As for myself it is my view that whenever this covenant is established, the Personage of the Holy Ghost will be the Mediator thereof, a new Moses before a new Israel and representing them before YHWH. And the scriptures are clear, there will indeed be a new Israel, a new Sinai and a new Law. YHWH the “Man of war” and the gods of Egypt will have their cosmic rematch. There will be a new Pharaoh, a new Exodus, as well as the new parting of a new Red Sea. Adam’s price was paid for by Jesus - however the return to God’s Presence and reinstatement as keeper of God’s Mountain has yet to become reality.

Here’s an excerpt from a post of mine from a while back on this subject -

Verse 7: "he limiteth a certain day...in David", that sounds familiar.

“…their unbelief has not rendered the promise of God [to make with them a new covenant] of none effect: no, for there was another day limited in David, which was the day of His power; [when a prophet of the lineage of David shall be raised up] and then His people, Israel, should be a willing people, and he would write his law in their hearts, and print it in their thoughts; their sins and their iniquities he would remember no more” (Joseph Smith, History of the Church, vol. 1, p. 313.)

Another day limited in David, the prophet writes in reference to this verse. The same verse being quoted in the prior chapter, but ascribed to the Personage of the Holy Ghost. "Please", the author of Hebrews implores the members of the LDS Church - "Please do not follow in the steps of your fathers who provoked the Angel of the Lord's presence, and hearkened not to his voice. Please don't be them". Listen to the voice of the Spirit; was this not the theme of General Conference?

Joseph describes the main purpose of the ministry of the Davidic Servant; to bear the message of a new covenant, which upon the saints of God he will endow, when the way of the Lord shall be written upon their hearts.

Jeremiah 31

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Sounds exactly like the sanctification process of receiving the Holy Ghost and experiencing the baptism of fire.

Psalm 110

3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.

Jeremiah 32

38 And they shall be my people, and I will be their God:

39 And I will give them one heart, and one way, that they may fear me for ever, for the good of them, and of their children after them:

40 And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.

41 Yea, I will rejoice over them to do them good, and I will plant them in this land assuredly with my whole heart and with my whole soul.

42 For thus saith the Lord; Like as I have brought all this great evil upon this people, so will I bring upon them all the good that I have promised them

Latter-day prophecies foretell the rising up of a prophet among the Jews in the last days to prepare the way for the second coming of Christ, whose mission corresponds to the Jewish messianic concept. Joseph Smith predicted a change would come over Israel in the days of this prophet when he said, speaking of the Jews:

“… their unbelief has not rendered the promise of God [to make with them a new covenant] of none effect: no, for there was another day limited in David, which was the day of His power; [when a prophet of the lineage of David shall be raised up] and then His people, Israel, should be a willing people. …” (Joseph Smith, History of the Church, vol. 1, p. 313.)

Because the Jews rejected Christ, they were cast off from enjoying the rights of the priesthood and the gifts of the Spirit, enabling the Gentiles to receive the gospel and to be considered as people of the covenant. Paul, using the symbolism of the olive tree, indicated that the Jews would eventually be grafted back into the tree, while the Gentiles would be in danger of being broken off. Paul also said that receiving the Jews into the new covenant would be as “life from the dead.” (Rom. 11:15.) But, he said, “… blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.” (Rom. 11:25.)

The Lord provided a means to dispel the partial spiritual blindness resting on the Jews when he commanded Latter-day Saints to “seek diligently to turn … the hearts of the Jews unto the prophets, and the prophets unto the Jews. …” (D&C 98:16–17.) As the mission of Ephraim unfolds, we may expect great things from Judah. (Avraham Gileadi, How have the Jewish people come to view their early expectation of a Messiah?, Ensign February 1975)

And then who does Paul talk about in Romans 11:26?

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

The Deliverer. Orson Pratt had something to say about this Deliverer:

Who will be that Deliverer? Certainly Jesus, when he came eighteen centuries ago, did not turn away ungodliness from Jacob, for they then were filling up their cup with iniquity. They have remained in unbelief from that day to this; hence, there did not come a Deliverer out of Zion eighteen centuries ago. But the Zion of the last days, that Zion that is so frequently and so fully spoken of by the ancient prophets, especially by Isaiah, is the Church and kingdom of God; and out of that Church or kingdom or Zion is to come a Deliverer, who will turn away ungodliness from Jacob after the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

Who will come? The Deliverer. What will he do? Establish a covenant among the people of God, changing their hearts and their minds and sanctifying them from all sin. Is it still not obvious? Can you not taste the truth of this doctrine?

Hebrews 8

8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

He who receives the First Comforter is enabled to fully receive the Second. "For all shall know me", Jehovah declares by the tongue of the prophet.

The Third God will take upon him flesh, and fulfil the earthly counterpart to his heavenly mission.

Joseph looked with an eye for that new day limited in David. He states in no ambiguous terms just what lies in store for Israel when the Lord makes the horn of David to bud,

Joseph Smith Jr

Their unbelief has not rendered the promise of God (to make with them a new covenant) of none effect: no, for there was another day limited in David, which was the day of His power; [when a prophet of the lineage of David shall be raised up] and then His people, Israel, should be a willing people...” (Joseph Smith, History of the Church, vol. 1, p. 313., emphasis added)

When the appointed day of David dawns, Israel will break its habit of rebelliousness and pattern of backsliding, but instead will be a “willing people”, in the “day of his power”. That also rings familiar...



Even as Israel through this new covenant will become renewed in the dew of their youth, so it seems this messianic figure alluded to by Joseph somehow is as well, and from “the womb of the morning”. The night soon ends but the old morning star fell and; the return of the dawn is now heralded by her new son.

"keeper of God’s Mountain" ?
Where did you learn this title?

This latter day exodus...do you think it to be literal or spiritual?

NIGHTLIGHT wrote: ↑July 28th, 2019, 7:20 pm"keeper of God’s Mountain" ?
Where did you learn this title?

I learnt it from Ezekiel 28 (great chapter):

You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone was your covering, sardius, topaz, and diamond, beryl, onyx, and jasper, sapphire, emerald, and carbuncle; and crafted in gold were your settings and your engravings. On the day that you were created they were prepared.
You were an anointed guardian cherub. I placed you; you were on the holy mountain of God; in the midst of the stones of fire you walked.

Note how the keeper of the mountain wore the same exact vestment as the ancient High Priest of the Tabernacle as set in Exodus.

We associate the Temple with the symbol of the mountain. This goes all the way back to Eden. The four rivers that proceed from Eden flow down from that Central Mountain, where they flow to the four corners of the earth. This is why when Satan receives dominion after Adam falls he says “this is the day of my power. I reign from the rivers to the ends of the earth.” The waters carry life down the slopes to all of God’s Creation - to rule them is to rule everything.

This latter day exodus...do you think it to be literal or spiritual?

Both

Paraphrasing Avraham Gileadi concerning his ideas on an endtime Exodus, he says “You won’t even remember the Exodus from Egypt” in the lecture. “Every Passover, every Jew recites passages on how God delivered Israel from Egypt. You won’t even remember that.

“No, but instead what you’ll remember is the God who brought you from the four corners of the earth.”

Genesis 1-3 forms the grand backdrop for the entire rest of scripture we have received since, since it shows what we lost and need to regain.

See, the issue of “is it spiritual or literal” was a non-issue back in the original order established in the Creation. In the beginning, God didn’t create one single thing, he created both heaven and earth, the both of them together forming what we call Reality. It was only till the Fall in Genesis 3 that these concepts became divorced.

Literally all scripture we have been given through the ages is framed with this primordial backdrop. Literally all scripture given by God since the Fall is for the sole purpose of bringing Adam back to the Mountain where he ruled.

Heaven and earth will come together again, just as Adam and Eve will. We who are of his posterity will not end up as bastards, we will be born again, and not by re-entering the womb of our mother.

An incredibly simple and therefore powerful exegesis of the differentiation between the “heaven” and the “earth”:


So in regards to the Exodus, will it take place in the heaven (God’s throne) or on the earth (His footstool)? In my opinion both. When spirit bonds with matter is when we find a fullness of joy according to the Doctrine & Covenants, and I do not think the heaven will forever divorce himself from the earth.

Just because a Betrothal is successfully breached by an enemy doesn’t mean it can’t be remade. Even if that Betrothal hinges upon habitation within God’s eastward Garden.

Praise be to Jesus Christ - He could have just made another world and another Adam who might obey Him - but He chose to give us another chance. So simple, just make another Creation and another, better, man to tend it and keep it. But He didn’t, He saved us, He came down from heaven when He didn’t need to so that we could have another shot.

Really, praise be to Jesus Christ forever, and thanks be to God for His Son.

I’ve got to say that there’s a lot to consider here. Most do not make these connections. Thank you for sharing this with us!

abijah wrote: ↑July 28th, 2019, 9:37 pm
Praise be to Jesus Christ - He could have just made another world and another Adam who might obey Him - but He chose to give us another chance. So simple, just make another Creation and another, better, man to tend it and keep it. But He didn’t, He saved us, He came down from heaven when He didn’t need to so that we could have another shot.

Really, praise be to Jesus Christ forever, and thanks be to God for His Son.

Abijah, I see many of your scriptural insights here as yearnings to make a greater thing of the Davidic Servant than he will be, for after all he is but a Servant of the true King.

But in your statement above, your wisdom died. The Messiah could not have just made another world or replaced Michael! Michael was not obeying Uriel (Yeshua/Yahshua), but Yah (Yahweh/Yahovah), their Father.

Make a better man... if it was only that simple! This eternal plan is the perfect plan design to allow the children of G_d to come up unto the perfections of G_d, and some (very very few Sons) to become heirs, and joint heirs with the Messiah. To become the literal children of G_d as the Messiah IS!

You said: " He (the Messiah) came down from heaven when He didn’t need to so that we could have another shot." That is so far off the page, the words could not stick to them... He Messiah came to obtain his divinity, just as every Son of G_d has from the dawn of time (forever)! It IS the Father's plan, not the Messiah's!. So says the scriptures, and all things in eternity or from eternity, they witness it! Even the devils themselves cannot deny such... the Messiah is the Son of the living G_d! And the Messiah said, I have come to do the will of my Father, not my own... in all things.

Kingdom of ZION wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 9:11 am

abijah wrote: ↑July 28th, 2019, 9:37 pm
Praise be to Jesus Christ - He could have just made another world and another Adam who might obey Him - but He chose to give us another chance. So simple, just make another Creation and another, better, man to tend it and keep it. But He didn’t, He saved us, He came down from heaven when He didn’t need to so that we could have another shot.

Really, praise be to Jesus Christ forever, and thanks be to God for His Son.

Abijah, I see many of your scriptural insights here as yearnings to make a greater thing of the Davidic Servant than he will be, for after all he is but a Servant of the true King.

But in your statement above, your wisdom died. The Messiah could not have just made another world or replaced Michael! Michael was not obeying Uriel (Yeshua/Yahshua), but Yah (Yahweh/Yahovah), there Father.

Make a better man... if it was only that simple! This eternal plan is the perfect plan design to allow the children of G_d to come up unto the perfections of G_d, and some (very very few Sons) to become heirs, and joint heirs with the Messiah. To be come the literal children of G_d as the Messiah IS!

You said: " He (the Messiah) came down from heaven when He didn’t need to so that we could have another shot." That is so far off the page, the words could not stick to them... He Messiah came to obtain his divinity, just as every son of G_d has from the dawn of time (forever)! It IS the Father's plan, not the Messiah's!. So says the scriptures, and all things in eternity or from eternity witness it! Even the devils themselves cannot deny such... the Messiah is the Son of the living G_d! And the Messiah said, I have come to do the will of my Father, not my own... in all things.

Yeah, I have to agree with KoZ, The Lord's work and glory is to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man - were He to reject us like that, then He would ceased to have been Christ. Christ loves us so much that He suffered all for us. So Yes Praise be His name, but the thought of Him rejecting us or Adam for that is to go against God's work and His glory. His goal is to help us all become like Him - because He is like the Father and the Father desires us to be like Him and He and the Father are one.

If Adam were the only one on earth, He still would have come down because He loves us that much.

Kingdom of ZION wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 9:11 am Abijah, I see many of your scriptural insights here as yearnings to make a greater thing of the Davidic Servant than he will be, for after all he is but a Servant of the true King.

But in your statement above, your wisdom died. The Messiah could not have just made another world or replaced Michael! Michael was not obeying Uriel (Yeshua/Yahshua), but Yah (Yahweh/Yahovah), there Father.

Make a better man... if it was only that simple! This eternal plan is the perfect plan design to allow the children of G_d to come up unto the perfections of G_d, and some (very very few Sons) to become heirs, and joint heirs with the Messiah. To be come the literal children of G_d as the Messiah IS!

You said: " He (the Messiah) came down from heaven when He didn’t need to so that we could have another shot." That is so far off the page, the words could not stick to them... He Messiah came to obtain his divinity, just as every son of G_d has from the dawn of time (forever)! It IS the Father's plan, not the Messiah's!. So says the scriptures, and all things in eternity or from eternity witness it! Even the devils themselves cannot deny such... the Messiah is the Son of the living G_d! And the Messiah said, I have come to do the will of my Father, not my own... in all things.

Okay, and hey maybe you’re right. Truth be told I edited that in later as an afterthought.

While the davidic servant certainly has a place in the discussion, the main focus here is the new covenant to be established with Israel in the future. We have these prophets from both the New & Old Testaments, as well as in our dispensation saying the covenant established between the Lord & Israel will be replaced with a new, everlasting one.

Why don’t more people know and talk about this? Maybe I’m just alone in thinking this is extremely important and relevant to us here in the latter days?

John Tavner wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 10:14 am

Kingdom of ZION wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 9:11 am

abijah wrote: ↑July 28th, 2019, 9:37 pm
Praise be to Jesus Christ - He could have just made another world and another Adam who might obey Him - but He chose to give us another chance. So simple, just make another Creation and another, better, man to tend it and keep it. But He didn’t, He saved us, He came down from heaven when He didn’t need to so that we could have another shot.

Really, praise be to Jesus Christ forever, and thanks be to God for His Son.

Abijah, I see many of your scriptural insights here as yearnings to make a greater thing of the Davidic Servant than he will be, for after all he is but a Servant of the true King.

But in your statement above, your wisdom died. The Messiah could not have just made another world or replaced Michael! Michael was not obeying Uriel (Yeshua/Yahshua), but Yah (Yahweh/Yahovah), there Father.

Make a better man... if it was only that simple! This eternal plan is the perfect plan design to allow the children of G_d to come up unto the perfections of G_d, and some (very very few Sons) to become heirs, and joint heirs with the Messiah. To be come the literal children of G_d as the Messiah IS!

You said: " He (the Messiah) came down from heaven when He didn’t need to so that we could have another shot." That is so far off the page, the words could not stick to them... He Messiah came to obtain his divinity, just as every son of G_d has from the dawn of time (forever)! It IS the Father's plan, not the Messiah's!. So says the scriptures, and all things in eternity or from eternity witness it! Even the devils themselves cannot deny such... the Messiah is the Son of the living G_d! And the Messiah said, I have come to do the will of my Father, not my own... in all things.

Yeah, I have to agree with KoZ, The Lord's work and glory is to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man - were He to reject us like that, then He would ceased to have been Christ. Christ loves us so much that He suffered all for us. So Yes Praise be His name, but the thought of Him rejecting us or Adam for that is to go against God's work and His glory. His goal is to help us all become like Him - because He is like the Father and the Father desires us to be like Him and He and the Father are one.

If Adam were the only one on earth, He still would have come down because He loves us that much.

Yeah that was a poorly conceived afterthought edited in at the end of a long post. I agree with you here. And I’m not saying God ever would do that, simply that He would not have been unjustified in doing so.

Abijah wrote:
Hebrews 8
For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion to look for a second.
For he finds fault with them when he says: “Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will establish a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt. For they did not continue in my covenant, and so I showed no concern for them, declares the Lord.
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws into their minds, and write them on their hearts, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
And they shall not teach, each one his neighbor and each one his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest.
For I will be merciful toward their iniquities, and I will remember their sins no more.”
So we have a new covenant yet to be made, where God does not write His Law upon stone tablets but upon the hearts of His people. Israel’s sins and their attendant curses will be done away with.

The phrase “they shall be His people, and He will be their God” carries a much heavier meaning than one might think.

Any ideas or thoughts on what the purpose and object of this covenant will be? Moses mediated the old one, who will mediate this new one I wonder? What blessings & responsibilities are to be enjoyed and expected upon entering this new covenant relationship with the God of Israel? When will this happen? The Millennium, or the last days or sometime else? Will this new covenant be offered in equal measure to the gentiles as it is to literal Israel?

I think the answer to "when" is found in Rev. 21 where we read:

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

So this will be fulfilled or will at least see it's beginning when Christ comes as the Bridegroom. At that time "the holy city, new Jerusalem" will come "down from God out of heaven" it is also identified here as "the tabernacle of God". And when shall "the tabernacle of God" be "with men"? Well, on the feast of tabernacles when Christ shall appear before a great assembly and shall fulfill Daniel's words:

13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

"It's going to be exciting"!!!

www.thebridegroomcometh.net/book

Perhaps the writing on the law of the hearts of Israel has something to do with the servant's reception of the fulness of the Priesthood.

We members of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints look down our noses at the Jews who didn't recognize their Savior while practicing a law that pointed to His great and last sacrifice.

Yet how many of us even stop to wonder whether our ordinances now point to a future fulfillment... Namely the unfulfilled fall festivals that no doubt align to the op?

"Receive the Holy Ghost," we are told in the ordinance of the gift of the Holy Ghost.

"... That they may always have His spirit to be with them. "

When the Holy Ghost comes in the flesh and fulfills Yom Kippur will he write upon our hearts the new covenant? The new covenant is between His Spirit and Israel... That we may always have him to be with us... As he ascends so do we.

I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. When and where will those names be revealed. The crown of righteousness worn by the High Priest at the fulfillment of Yom Kippur.... Might be receive a new name at that time? If you want to continue forward along the path of eternal ascenion, you must receive the Holy Ghost. You must follow Jesus that His Spirit may always be with you. And you will rise again in the name of the Father, the new name of the son, and the everlasting name of the Holy Ghost.

Alaris wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 4:34 pm Perhaps the writing on the law of the hearts of Israel has something to do with the servant's reception of the fulness of the Priesthood.

We members of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints look down our noses at the Jews who didn't recognize their Savior while practicing a law that pointed to His great and last sacrifice.

Yet how many of us even stop to wonder whether our ordinances now point to a future fulfillment... Namely the unfulfilled fall festivals that no doubt align to the op?

"Receive the Holy Ghost," we are told in the ordinance of the gift of the Holy Ghost.

"... That they may always have His spirit to be with them. "

When the Holy Ghost comes in the flesh and fulfills Yom Kippur will he write upon our hearts the new covenant? The new covenant is between His Spirit and Israel... That we may always have him to be with us... As he ascends so do we.

I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. When and where will those names be revealed. The crown of righteousness worn by the High Priest at the fulfillment of Yom Kippur.... Might be receive a new name at that time? If you want to continue forward along the path of eternal ascenion, you must receive the Holy Ghost. You must follow Jesus that His Spirit may always be with you. And you will rise again in the name of the Father, the new name of the son, and the everlasting name of the Holy Ghost.

Isaiah says that the Servant will give (Reveal) a new name for the... (Father? Son?) G_d!

abijah wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 10:21 am

Kingdom of ZION wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 9:11 am Abijah, I see many of your scriptural insights here as yearnings to make a greater thing of the Davidic Servant than he will be, for after all he is but a Servant of the true King.

But in your statement above, your wisdom died. The Messiah could not have just made another world or replaced Michael! Michael was not obeying Uriel (Yeshua/Yahshua), but Yah (Yahweh/Yahovah), there Father.

Make a better man... if it was only that simple! This eternal plan is the perfect plan design to allow the children of G_d to come up unto the perfections of G_d, and some (very very few Sons) to become heirs, and joint heirs with the Messiah. To be come the literal children of G_d as the Messiah IS!

You said: " He (the Messiah) came down from heaven when He didn’t need to so that we could have another shot." That is so far off the page, the words could not stick to them... He Messiah came to obtain his divinity, just as every son of G_d has from the dawn of time (forever)! It IS the Father's plan, not the Messiah's!. So says the scriptures, and all things in eternity or from eternity witness it! Even the devils themselves cannot deny such... the Messiah is the Son of the living G_d! And the Messiah said, I have come to do the will of my Father, not my own... in all things.

Okay, and hey maybe you’re right. Truth be told I edited that in later as an afterthought.

While the davidic servant certainly has a place in the discussion, the main focus here is the new covenant to be established with Israel in the future. We have these prophets from both the New & Old Testaments, as well as in our dispensation saying the covenant established between the Lord & Israel will be replaced with a new, everlasting one.

Why don’t more people know and talk about this? Maybe I’m just alone in thinking this is extremely important and relevant to us here in the latter days?

Sorry Abijah, I just could not let those statements slide by without clarification on who is the plans author. Yes, the Messiah volunteered... "Send me!" But that was the point where the plan was accepted and was set, from the beginning unto the end.

The New Covenant IS the New and Everlasting Covenant! It was the same when first taught by Melchizedek! Moses restored it and then broke the tablets they were written upon. The Messiah taught it unto both groups of disciples, in the old and new world, it has been kept by the Ten Tribes and Zion in the heavens, and when it is restored again, it will be hopefully lived in righteousness. Everyone want to make it seem like some great new secret that is going to be given to US... of course like were the only ones He going to talk too!

Is there more to be said about this covenant? Heaven yes, but is it some new never heard before Covenant? No! Are there different covenants? Yes, but they apply to dispensations. The N&ELC is what the Ten Commandments are to Second Estate Beings, that is the Law given unto Fourth Estate Beings.

Why do we not talk about it? Because we would then have to repent and live our Covenants that most here have already made with G_D!

Kingdom of ZION wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 9:11 am

abijah wrote: ↑July 28th, 2019, 9:37 pm
Praise be to Jesus Christ - He could have just made another world and another Adam who might obey Him - but He chose to give us another chance. So simple, just make another Creation and another, better, man to tend it and keep it. But He didn’t, He saved us, He came down from heaven when He didn’t need to so that we could have another shot.

Really, praise be to Jesus Christ forever, and thanks be to God for His Son.

Abijah, I see many of your scriptural insights here as yearnings to make a greater thing of the Davidic Servant than he will be, for after all he is but a Servant of the true King.

But in your statement above, your wisdom died. The Messiah could not have just made another world or replaced Michael! Michael was not obeying Uriel (Yeshua/Yahshua), but Yah (Yahweh/Yahovah), there Father.

Make a better man... if it was only that simple! This eternal plan is the perfect plan design to allow the children of G_d to come up unto the perfections of G_d, and some (very very few Sons) to become heirs, and joint heirs with the Messiah. To be come the literal children of G_d as the Messiah IS!

You said: " He (the Messiah) came down from heaven when He didn’t need to so that we could have another shot." That is so far off the page, the words could not stick to them... He Messiah came to obtain his divinity, just as every son of G_d has from the dawn of time (forever)! It IS the Father's plan, not the Messiah's!. So says the scriptures, and all things in eternity or from eternity witness it! Even the devils themselves cannot deny such... the Messiah is the Son of the living G_d! And the Messiah said, I have come to do the will of my Father, not my own... in all things.

Do you think there will be a literal exodus in the new world before the New Jerusalem is established?

Kingdom of ZION wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 7:54 pmSorry Abijah, I just could not let those statements slide by without clarification on who is the plans author. Yes, the Messiah volunteered... "Send me!" But that was the point where the plan was accepted and was set, from the beginning unto the end.

I agree. It takes two nails.

The New Covenant IS the New and Everlasting Covenant! It was the same when first taught by Melchizedek! Moses restored it and then broke the tablets they were written upon. The Messiah taught it unto both groups of disciples, in the old and new world, it has been kept by the Ten Tribes and Zion in the heavens, and when it is restored again, it will be hopefully lived in righteousness. Everyone want to make it seem like some great new secret that is going to be give to US... of course like were the only ones He going to talk too!

New secrets are just old ones forgotten. Obviously this is something that is not new. Did you even read the rest of my posts other than the unrelated snippet you quoted?

Is there more to be said about this covenant? Heaven yes, but is it some new never heard before Covenant? No!

Of course it has, abstractly, “been heard”, but not by Israel. Thanks to Moses, who did hear it, and understood Israel wasn’t ready for it until a future time.

Which is why these prophets speak of a new day, of a renewed opportunity for this. Which is separate from the Atonement.

Are there different covenants? Yes, but they apply to dispensations. The N&ELC is what the Ten Commandments are to Second Estate Beings, that is the Law given unto Fourth Estate Beings.

I don’t subscribe to your framework, but know that the promises to Abraham yet wait their fulfilment to rectify what was corrupted in Genesis 3. We yet live in the day of Abraham Isaac and Jacob, the promises to them are being carried out before our eyes and our yet to be fulfilled.

Why do we not talk about it? Because we would then have to repent and live our Covenants that most here have already made with G_D!

True, or because we don’t understand our current covenant relationship standing to begin with anyway.

Alaris wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 4:34 pm Perhaps the writing on the law of the hearts of Israel has something to do with the servant's reception of the fulness of the Priesthood.

We members of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints look down our noses at the Jews who didn't recognize their Savior while practicing a law that pointed to His great and last sacrifice.

Yet how many of us even stop to wonder whether our ordinances now point to a future fulfillment... Namely the unfulfilled fall festivals that no doubt align to the op?

"Receive the Holy Ghost," we are told in the ordinance of the gift of the Holy Ghost.

"... That they may always have His spirit to be with them. "

When the Holy Ghost comes in the flesh and fulfills Yom Kippur will he write upon our hearts the new covenant? The new covenant is between His Spirit and Israel... That we may always have him to be with us... As he ascends so do we.

I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. When and where will those names be revealed. The crown of righteousness worn by the High Priest at the fulfillment of Yom Kippur.... Might be receive a new name at that time? If you want to continue forward along the path of eternal ascenion, you must receive the Holy Ghost. You must follow Jesus that His Spirit may always be with you. And you will rise again in the name of the Father, the new name of the son, and the everlasting name of the Holy Ghost.

Agreed.

I find it particularly interesting, after Paul says the angel of the Lord = Holy Ghost, how Joseph Smith runs with this and says “hey wait, not only that but this person is the subject of Hebrews 4 as well as Psalm 110, and will be raised from David’s lineage in the last days”.

It’s all. Right. There.

Joseph Smith Jr

“…their unbelief has not rendered the promise of God [to make with them a new covenant] of none effect: no, for there was another day limited in David, which was the day of His power; [when a prophet of the lineage of David shall be raised up] and then His people, Israel, should be a willing people, and he would write his law in their hearts, and print it in their thoughts; their sins and their iniquities he would remember no more” (Joseph Smith, History of the Church, vol. 1, p. 313.)

Romans 11

And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written, “The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”
“and this will be my covenant with them when I take away their sins.”

Hebrews 4

Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time;

Psalm 110:3

Your people will offer themselves freely on the day of your power, in holy garments; from the womb of the morning, the dew of your youth will be yours.

“The dew of your your youth will be yours, from of the womb of the morning”.

Why do so many look past the mark? Why do so many on here have to make things seem so much more complicated? The new covenant is all of Jesus teaching specifically the new law Christ gave or what is referred to as the sermon on the mount. His suffering in gethsemane is also a part of the new covenant.

Themedicareguy wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 9:58 pm Why do so many look past the mark? Why do so many on here have to make things seem so much more complicated? The new covenant is all of Jesus teaching specifically the new law Christ gave or what is referred to as the sermon on the mount. His suffering in gethsemane is also a part of the new covenant.

Jesus atoned for the sin in Eden not Sinai. Jesus’ Kingdom is not of this world. But Israel’s is. Learn the distinction.

Obviously those run on a parallel, but if you think me differentiating between the two is “looking beyond the mark”, then please show how.

abijah wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 10:00 pm

Themedicareguy wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 9:58 pm Why do so many look past the mark? Why do so many on here have to make things seem so much more complicated? The new covenant is all of Jesus teaching specifically the new law Christ gave or what is referred to as the sermon on the mount. His suffering in gethsemane is also a part of the new covenant.

Jesus atoned for the sin in Eden not Sinai. Jesus’ Kingdom is not of this world. But Israel’s is. Learn the distinction.

Obviously those run on a parallel, but if you think me differentiating between the two is “looking beyond the mark”, then please show how.

Jesus atoned for all sin, past, present, and future. He even atoned for sins of God's children who live on other worlds.

Themedicareguy wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 10:08 pm

abijah wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 10:00 pm

Themedicareguy wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 9:58 pm Why do so many look past the mark? Why do so many on here have to make things seem so much more complicated? The new covenant is all of Jesus teaching specifically the new law Christ gave or what is referred to as the sermon on the mount. His suffering in gethsemane is also a part of the new covenant.

Jesus atoned for the sin in Eden not Sinai. Jesus’ Kingdom is not of this world. But Israel’s is. Learn the distinction.

Obviously those run on a parallel, but if you think me differentiating between the two is “looking beyond the mark”, then please show how.

Jesus atoned for all sin, past, present, and future. He even atoned for sins of God's children who live on other worlds.

Please show me where it says that.

It makes reason stare to believe that for the rest of eternity forward (and backward?) Heavenly Father's children will be learning about a Savior who lived “a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away” or something to that effect. And we just happened to be the lucky few billion out of all of Heavenly Father’s numberless children to be on the exact Earth where the Savior lived, too? And within only a couple centuries of the event?

Nope. I don’t buy that.

NIGHTLIGHT wrote: ↑July 28th, 2019, 7:20 pm

abijah wrote: ↑July 28th, 2019, 6:27 pm Absolutely, I wholly agree! As for myself it is my view that whenever this covenant is established, the Personage of the Holy Ghost will be the Mediator thereof, a new Moses before a new Israel and representing them before YHWH. And the scriptures are clear, there will indeed be a new Israel, a new Sinai and a new Law. YHWH the “Man of war” and the gods of Egypt will have their cosmic rematch. There will be a new Pharaoh, a new Exodus, as well as the new parting of a new Red Sea. Adam’s price was paid for by Jesus - however the return to God’s Presence and reinstatement as keeper of God’s Mountain has yet to become reality.

Here’s an excerpt from a post of mine from a while back on this subject -

Verse 7: "he limiteth a certain day...in David", that sounds familiar.

“…their unbelief has not rendered the promise of God [to make with them a new covenant] of none effect: no, for there was another day limited in David, which was the day of His power; [when a prophet of the lineage of David shall be raised up] and then His people, Israel, should be a willing people, and he would write his law in their hearts, and print it in their thoughts; their sins and their iniquities he would remember no more” (Joseph Smith, History of the Church, vol. 1, p. 313.)

Another day limited in David, the prophet writes in reference to this verse. The same verse being quoted in the prior chapter, but ascribed to the Personage of the Holy Ghost. "Please", the author of Hebrews implores the members of the LDS Church - "Please do not follow in the steps of your fathers who provoked the Angel of the Lord's presence, and hearkened not to his voice. Please don't be them". Listen to the voice of the Spirit; was this not the theme of General Conference?

Joseph describes the main purpose of the ministry of the Davidic Servant; to bear the message of a new covenant, which upon the saints of God he will endow, when the way of the Lord shall be written upon their hearts.

Jeremiah 31

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Sounds exactly like the sanctification process of receiving the Holy Ghost and experiencing the baptism of fire.

Psalm 110

3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.

Jeremiah 32

38 And they shall be my people, and I will be their God:

39 And I will give them one heart, and one way, that they may fear me for ever, for the good of them, and of their children after them:

40 And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.

41 Yea, I will rejoice over them to do them good, and I will plant them in this land assuredly with my whole heart and with my whole soul.

42 For thus saith the Lord; Like as I have brought all this great evil upon this people, so will I bring upon them all the good that I have promised them

Latter-day prophecies foretell the rising up of a prophet among the Jews in the last days to prepare the way for the second coming of Christ, whose mission corresponds to the Jewish messianic concept. Joseph Smith predicted a change would come over Israel in the days of this prophet when he said, speaking of the Jews:

“… their unbelief has not rendered the promise of God [to make with them a new covenant] of none effect: no, for there was another day limited in David, which was the day of His power; [when a prophet of the lineage of David shall be raised up] and then His people, Israel, should be a willing people. …” (Joseph Smith, History of the Church, vol. 1, p. 313.)

Because the Jews rejected Christ, they were cast off from enjoying the rights of the priesthood and the gifts of the Spirit, enabling the Gentiles to receive the gospel and to be considered as people of the covenant. Paul, using the symbolism of the olive tree, indicated that the Jews would eventually be grafted back into the tree, while the Gentiles would be in danger of being broken off. Paul also said that receiving the Jews into the new covenant would be as “life from the dead.” (Rom. 11:15.) But, he said, “… blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.” (Rom. 11:25.)

The Lord provided a means to dispel the partial spiritual blindness resting on the Jews when he commanded Latter-day Saints to “seek diligently to turn … the hearts of the Jews unto the prophets, and the prophets unto the Jews. …” (D&C 98:16–17.) As the mission of Ephraim unfolds, we may expect great things from Judah. (Avraham Gileadi, How have the Jewish people come to view their early expectation of a Messiah?, Ensign February 1975)

And then who does Paul talk about in Romans 11:26?

26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.

The Deliverer. Orson Pratt had something to say about this Deliverer:

Who will be that Deliverer? Certainly Jesus, when he came eighteen centuries ago, did not turn away ungodliness from Jacob, for they then were filling up their cup with iniquity. They have remained in unbelief from that day to this; hence, there did not come a Deliverer out of Zion eighteen centuries ago. But the Zion of the last days, that Zion that is so frequently and so fully spoken of by the ancient prophets, especially by Isaiah, is the Church and kingdom of God; and out of that Church or kingdom or Zion is to come a Deliverer, who will turn away ungodliness from Jacob after the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

Who will come? The Deliverer. What will he do? Establish a covenant among the people of God, changing their hearts and their minds and sanctifying them from all sin. Is it still not obvious? Can you not taste the truth of this doctrine?

Hebrews 8

8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

He who receives the First Comforter is enabled to fully receive the Second. "For all shall know me", Jehovah declares by the tongue of the prophet.

The Third God will take upon him flesh, and fulfil the earthly counterpart to his heavenly mission.

Joseph looked with an eye for that new day limited in David. He states in no ambiguous terms just what lies in store for Israel when the Lord makes the horn of David to bud,

Joseph Smith Jr

Their unbelief has not rendered the promise of God (to make with them a new covenant) of none effect: no, for there was another day limited in David, which was the day of His power; [when a prophet of the lineage of David shall be raised up] and then His people, Israel, should be a willing people...” (Joseph Smith, History of the Church, vol. 1, p. 313., emphasis added)

When the appointed day of David dawns, Israel will break its habit of rebelliousness and pattern of backsliding, but instead will be a “willing people”, in the “day of his power”. That also rings familiar...



Even as Israel through this new covenant will become renewed in the dew of their youth, so it seems this messianic figure alluded to by Joseph somehow is as well, and from “the womb of the morning”. The night soon ends but the old morning star fell and; the return of the dawn is now heralded by her new son.

"keeper of God’s Mountain" ?
Where did you learn this title?

This latter day exodus...do you think it to be literal or spiritual?

Literal... probably both

Davka wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 10:18 pm

Themedicareguy wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 10:08 pm

abijah wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 10:00 pm

Themedicareguy wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 9:58 pm Why do so many look past the mark? Why do so many on here have to make things seem so much more complicated? The new covenant is all of Jesus teaching specifically the new law Christ gave or what is referred to as the sermon on the mount. His suffering in gethsemane is also a part of the new covenant.

Jesus atoned for the sin in Eden not Sinai. Jesus’ Kingdom is not of this world. But Israel’s is. Learn the distinction.

Obviously those run on a parallel, but if you think me differentiating between the two is “looking beyond the mark”, then please show how.

Jesus atoned for all sin, past, present, and future. He even atoned for sins of God's children who live on other worlds.

Please show me where it says that.

It makes reason stare to believe that for the rest of eternity forward (and backward?) Heavenly Father's children will be learning about a Savior who lived “a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away” or something to that effect. And we just happened to be the lucky few billion out of all of Heavenly Father’s numberless children to be on the exact Earth where the Savior lived, too? And within only a couple centuries of the event?

Nope. I don’t buy that.

I really like this summary. This guy explains it a lot better than I can.

https://ldsscriptureteachings.org/2011/ ... of-worlds/

abijah wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 10:21 am

Kingdom of ZION wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 9:11 am Abijah, I see many of your scriptural insights here as yearnings to make a greater thing of the Davidic Servant than he will be, for after all he is but a Servant of the true King.

But in your statement above, your wisdom died. The Messiah could not have just made another world or replaced Michael! Michael was not obeying Uriel (Yeshua/Yahshua), but Yah (Yahweh/Yahovah), there Father.

Make a better man... if it was only that simple! This eternal plan is the perfect plan design to allow the children of G_d to come up unto the perfections of G_d, and some (very very few Sons) to become heirs, and joint heirs with the Messiah. To be come the literal children of G_d as the Messiah IS!

You said: " He (the Messiah) came down from heaven when He didn’t need to so that we could have another shot." That is so far off the page, the words could not stick to them... He Messiah came to obtain his divinity, just as every son of G_d has from the dawn of time (forever)! It IS the Father's plan, not the Messiah's!. So says the scriptures, and all things in eternity or from eternity witness it! Even the devils themselves cannot deny such... the Messiah is the Son of the living G_d! And the Messiah said, I have come to do the will of my Father, not my own... in all things.

Okay, and hey maybe you’re right. Truth be told I edited that in later as an afterthought.

While the davidic servant certainly has a place in the discussion, the main focus here is the new covenant to be established with Israel in the future. We have these prophets from both the New & Old Testaments, as well as in our dispensation saying the covenant established between the Lord & Israel will be replaced with a new, everlasting one.

Why don’t more people know and talk about this? Maybe I’m just alone in thinking this is extremely important and relevant to us here in the latter days?

You are not alone.

NIGHTLIGHT wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 9:28 pm

Kingdom of ZION wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 9:11 am

abijah wrote: ↑July 28th, 2019, 9:37 pm
Praise be to Jesus Christ - He could have just made another world and another Adam who might obey Him - but He chose to give us another chance. So simple, just make another Creation and another, better, man to tend it and keep it. But He didn’t, He saved us, He came down from heaven when He didn’t need to so that we could have another shot.

Really, praise be to Jesus Christ forever, and thanks be to God for His Son.

Abijah, I see many of your scriptural insights here as yearnings to make a greater thing of the Davidic Servant than he will be, for after all he is but a Servant of the true King.

But in your statement above, your wisdom died. The Messiah could not have just made another world or replaced Michael! Michael was not obeying Uriel (Yeshua/Yahshua), but Yah (Yahweh/Yahovah), there Father.

Make a better man... if it was only that simple! This eternal plan is the perfect plan design to allow the children of G_d to come up unto the perfections of G_d, and some (very very few Sons) to become heirs, and joint heirs with the Messiah. To be come the literal children of G_d as the Messiah IS!

You said: " He (the Messiah) came down from heaven when He didn’t need to so that we could have another shot." That is so far off the page, the words could not stick to them... He Messiah came to obtain his divinity, just as every son of G_d has from the dawn of time (forever)! It IS the Father's plan, not the Messiah's!. So says the scriptures, and all things in eternity or from eternity witness it! Even the devils themselves cannot deny such... the Messiah is the Son of the living G_d! And the Messiah said, I have come to do the will of my Father, not my own... in all things.

Do you think there will be a literal exodus in the new world before the New Jerusalem is established?

Yes