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Themedicareguy wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 10:28 pm

Davka wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 10:18 pm

Themedicareguy wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 10:08 pm

abijah wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 10:00 pm

Jesus atoned for the sin in Eden not Sinai. Jesus’ Kingdom is not of this world. But Israel’s is. Learn the distinction.

Obviously those run on a parallel, but if you think me differentiating between the two is “looking beyond the mark”, then please show how.

Jesus atoned for all sin, past, present, and future. He even atoned for sins of God's children who live on other worlds.

Please show me where it says that.

It makes reason stare to believe that for the rest of eternity forward (and backward?) Heavenly Father's children will be learning about a Savior who lived “a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away” or something to that effect. And we just happened to be the lucky few billion out of all of Heavenly Father’s numberless children to be on the exact Earth where the Savior lived, too? And within only a couple centuries of the event?

Nope. I don’t buy that.

I really like this summary. This guy explains it a lot better than I can.

https://ldsscriptureteachings.org/2011/ ... of-worlds/

Thanks for the link. I completely agree that the Savior is the Redeemer of other worlds he has created. But it makes more sense to me that he condescended to their worlds and did the same thing for them there that he did for us here. But that’s just me.

What are the "common" themes of Enochs Zion, the 200 years after Christ in the BofM, the days of and after the Pentecost in the NT, and Joseph's D&C "Law of Consecration"?
IMO, the future promised Law that gets written in the hearts of these near future children of Israel is the eternal law of Gods Kingdom. And it is encompassed pretty much in Christs statement " If ye are not one ye are not mine". And "If ye are not one in material things, ye CANNOT be one in spiritual things".
That is the common theme of those rare time periods in world history mentioned above. And , we are not living that at all today in the church nor have we in the past. All we have had in our approximate 190 year history since the COJCOLDS was organized, is a few attempts that failed. There were a few individuals that successfully, faithfully lived the law but most failed
That is the law that is going to be written in the hearts of some of the privileged children of Isreal I believe, a remnant, if you will.
We do not have our temporal things in common, we have very rich, clear down to very poor, yet we call each other "brother". And that is not at all pleasing to God.
But as was brought out above, there is a day coming, a grand and glorious, a "Great and Marvelous Work" that is yet to come forth, that will completely revolutionize the whole world, and simultaneously completely destroy Babylon and all her works of darkness and even we will learn to overcome death, in the flesh!
Those things are what all of the holy men and prophets of God looked forward to since the beginning.
This sick society that we live in now is atrocious. And I hope we do not let it destroy us spiritually.

abijah wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 9:32 pm

Kingdom of ZION wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 7:54 pmSorry Abijah, I just could not let those statements slide by without clarification on who is the plans author. Yes, the Messiah volunteered... "Send me!" But that was the point where the plan was accepted and was set, from the beginning unto the end.

I agree. It takes two nails.

The New Covenant IS the New and Everlasting Covenant! It was the same when first taught by Melchizedek! Moses restored it and then broke the tablets they were written upon. The Messiah taught it unto both groups of disciples, in the old and new world, it has been kept by the Ten Tribes and Zion in the heavens, and when it is restored again, it will be hopefully lived in righteousness. Everyone want to make it seem like some great new secret that is going to be give to US... of course like were the only ones He going to talk too!

New secrets are just old ones forgotten. Obviously this is something that is not new. Did you even read the rest of my posts other than the unrelated snippet you quoted?

Is there more to be said about this covenant? Heaven yes, but is it some new never heard before Covenant? No!

Of course it has, abstractly, “been heard”, but not by Israel. Thanks to Moses, who did hear it, and understood Israel wasn’t ready for it until a future time.

Which is why these prophets speak of a new day, of a renewed opportunity for this. Which is separate from the Atonement.

Are there different covenants? Yes, but they apply to dispensations. The N&ELC is what the Ten Commandments are to Second Estate Beings, that is the Law given unto Fourth Estate Beings.

I don’t subscribe to your framework, but know that the promises to Abraham yet wait their fulfilment to rectify what was corrupted in Genesis 3. We yet live in the day of Abraham Isaac and Jacob, the promises to them are being carried out before our eyes and our yet to be fulfilled.

Why do we not talk about it? Because we would then have to repent and live our Covenants that most here have already made with G_D!

True, or because we don’t understand our current covenant relationship standing to begin with anyway.

Yes I did... this was not a comment to you about you. When I said everyone, I mean Christians and some Mormons. They mostly have no clue what the New Covenant is, when they read these scriptures. Just talk to some of your Ward Members.

Yes, we live in a dark time. People are just as hard hearted now as they were in Joseph Smiths's day, the Messiah's, Moses's, and Noah's. A new day, same story... so what do you think will make the difference this time?

Yes, Translation will but that ends the test for these things. What is going to cause the change of heart needed for mortals to live and keep the Covenant? The only thing I see is the selection process, the dividing the wheat from the tares.

Shalom

NIGHTLIGHT wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 9:28 pm

Kingdom of ZION wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 9:11 am

abijah wrote: ↑July 28th, 2019, 9:37 pm
Praise be to Jesus Christ - He could have just made another world and another Adam who might obey Him - but He chose to give us another chance. So simple, just make another Creation and another, better, man to tend it and keep it. But He didn’t, He saved us, He came down from heaven when He didn’t need to so that we could have another shot.

Really, praise be to Jesus Christ forever, and thanks be to God for His Son.

Abijah, I see many of your scriptural insights here as yearnings to make a greater thing of the Davidic Servant than he will be, for after all he is but a Servant of the true King.

But in your statement above, your wisdom died. The Messiah could not have just made another world or replaced Michael! Michael was not obeying Uriel (Yeshua/Yahshua), but Yah (Yahweh/Yahovah), there Father.

Make a better man... if it was only that simple! This eternal plan is the perfect plan design to allow the children of G_d to come up unto the perfections of G_d, and some (very very few Sons) to become heirs, and joint heirs with the Messiah. To be come the literal children of G_d as the Messiah IS!

You said: " He (the Messiah) came down from heaven when He didn’t need to so that we could have another shot." That is so far off the page, the words could not stick to them... He Messiah came to obtain his divinity, just as every son of G_d has from the dawn of time (forever)! It IS the Father's plan, not the Messiah's!. So says the scriptures, and all things in eternity or from eternity witness it! Even the devils themselves cannot deny such... the Messiah is the Son of the living G_d! And the Messiah said, I have come to do the will of my Father, not my own... in all things.

Do you think there will be a literal exodus in the new world before the New Jerusalem is established?

Absolutely!!! It will be where Joseph said it would be, "Where the Nephites lost their power".

Themedicareguy wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 10:08 pm

abijah wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 10:00 pm

Themedicareguy wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 9:58 pm Why do so many look past the mark? Why do so many on here have to make things seem so much more complicated? The new covenant is all of Jesus teaching specifically the new law Christ gave or what is referred to as the sermon on the mount. His suffering in gethsemane is also a part of the new covenant.

Jesus atoned for the sin in Eden not Sinai. Jesus’ Kingdom is not of this world. But Israel’s is. Learn the distinction.

Obviously those run on a parallel, but if you think me differentiating between the two is “looking beyond the mark”, then please show how.

Jesus atoned for all sin, past, present, and future. He even atoned for sins of God's children who live on other worlds.

If you mean others who are not here, though they are apart of this creation... then agreed.

simpleton wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 11:07 pm What are the "common" themes of Enochs Zion, the 200 years after Christ in the BofM, the days of and after the Pentecost in the NT, and Joseph's D&C "Law of Consecration"?
IMO, the future promised Law that gets written in the hearts of these near future children of Israel is the eternal law of Gods Kingdom. And it is encompassed pretty much in Christs statement " If ye are not one ye are not mine". And "If ye are not one in material things, ye CANNOT be one in spiritual things".
That is the common theme of those rare time periods in world history mentioned above. And , we are not living that at all today in the church nor have we in the past. All we have had in our approximate 190 year history since the COJCOLDS was organized, is a few attempts that failed. There were a few individuals that successfully, faithfully lived the law but most failed
That is the law that is going to be written in the hearts of some of the privileged children of Isreal I believe, a remnant, if you will.
We do not have our temporal things in common, we have very rich, clear down to very poor, yet we call each other "brother". And that is not at all pleasing to God.
But as was brought out above, there is a day coming, a grand and glorious, a "Great and Marvelous Work" that is yet to come forth, that will completely revolutionize the whole world, and simultaneously completely destroy Babylon and all her works of darkness and even we will learn to overcome death, in the flesh!
Those things are what all of the holy men and prophets of God looked forward to since the beginning.
This sick society that we live in now is atrocious. And I hope we do not let it destroy us spiritually.

The New and Everlasting Covenant is a two part covenant. Consecration/economic is ONLY one-half of it.

Kingdom of ZION wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 11:51 pm

simpleton wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 11:07 pm What are the "common" themes of Enochs Zion, the 200 years after Christ in the BofM, the days of and after the Pentecost in the NT, and Joseph's D&C "Law of Consecration"?
IMO, the future promised Law that gets written in the hearts of these near future children of Israel is the eternal law of Gods Kingdom. And it is encompassed pretty much in Christs statement " If ye are not one ye are not mine". And "If ye are not one in material things, ye CANNOT be one in spiritual things".
That is the common theme of those rare time periods in world history mentioned above. And , we are not living that at all today in the church nor have we in the past. All we have had in our approximate 190 year history since the COJCOLDS was organized, is a few attempts that failed. There were a few individuals that successfully, faithfully lived the law but most failed
That is the law that is going to be written in the hearts of some of the privileged children of Isreal I believe, a remnant, if you will.
We do not have our temporal things in common, we have very rich, clear down to very poor, yet we call each other "brother". And that is not at all pleasing to God.
But as was brought out above, there is a day coming, a grand and glorious, a "Great and Marvelous Work" that is yet to come forth, that will completely revolutionize the whole world, and simultaneously completely destroy Babylon and all her works of darkness and even we will learn to overcome death, in the flesh!
Those things are what all of the holy men and prophets of God looked forward to since the beginning.
This sick society that we live in now is atrocious. And I hope we do not let it destroy us spiritually.

The New and Everlasting Covenant is a two part covenant. Consecration/economic is ONLY one-half of it.

That I completely agree with, but the one is not really much good without the other. The one part was lived with quite a bit more success than the other. But, as to saying it is half and half, or that the each is a half of a whole, I wouldn't put it upon those terms. I think that living the "Law of Consecration" is a greater law. And that by the actual living of it, from the heart and soul is the greatest of all. Not that I am trying to diminish any law or covenant of God. But if a man hath "charity" it will be well with him in the last days.
The only way that this earth can become cleansed, that the devil can be drivin off of it, is the complete unity of the saints. That is the purpose of the law of Consecration, the United Order.
How we live right now as supposed saints, gives the adversary great power power over us. He, ( the adversary) hates the unity of the saints more than any other principle. Or if you will, he hates the "Law of Consecration". Why do you think the early saints were fought against so viciously by devil's in human form, especially in Missouri.
The Zion from above of Enoch is prophecied to literally return back to this earth, and the prophecied Zion yet to be established here on earth in Jackson County, Missouri is to rise up and meet the Zion from above, and see eye to eye, and each will fall upon each others neck and weep for joy. But again, they will see "eye to eye" as the Zion established here on earth will be living the law of Consecration in its fulness along with all the other covenants and laws givin by God. Which of course also includes the New and Everlasting Covenant.

simpleton wrote: ↑July 30th, 2019, 7:35 am

Kingdom of ZION wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 11:51 pm

simpleton wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 11:07 pm What are the "common" themes of Enochs Zion, the 200 years after Christ in the BofM, the days of and after the Pentecost in the NT, and Joseph's D&C "Law of Consecration"?
IMO, the future promised Law that gets written in the hearts of these near future children of Israel is the eternal law of Gods Kingdom. And it is encompassed pretty much in Christs statement " If ye are not one ye are not mine". And "If ye are not one in material things, ye CANNOT be one in spiritual things".
That is the common theme of those rare time periods in world history mentioned above. And , we are not living that at all today in the church nor have we in the past. All we have had in our approximate 190 year history since the COJCOLDS was organized, is a few attempts that failed. There were a few individuals that successfully, faithfully lived the law but most failed
That is the law that is going to be written in the hearts of some of the privileged children of Isreal I believe, a remnant, if you will.
We do not have our temporal things in common, we have very rich, clear down to very poor, yet we call each other "brother". And that is not at all pleasing to God.
But as was brought out above, there is a day coming, a grand and glorious, a "Great and Marvelous Work" that is yet to come forth, that will completely revolutionize the whole world, and simultaneously completely destroy Babylon and all her works of darkness and even we will learn to overcome death, in the flesh!
Those things are what all of the holy men and prophets of God looked forward to since the beginning.
This sick society that we live in now is atrocious. And I hope we do not let it destroy us spiritually.

The New and Everlasting Covenant is a two part covenant. Consecration/economic is ONLY one-half of it.

That I completely agree with, but the one is not really much good without the other. The one part was lived with quite a bit more success than the other. But, as to saying it is half and half, or that the each is a half of a whole, I wouldn't put it upon those terms. I think that living the "Law of Consecration" is a greater law. And that by the actual living of it, from the heart and soul is the greatest of all. Not that I am trying to diminish any law or covenant of God. But if a man hath "charity" it will be well with him in the last days.
The only way that this earth can become cleansed, that the devil can be drivin off of it, is the complete unity of the saints. That is the purpose of the law of Consecration, the United Order.
How we live right now as supposed saints, gives the adversary great power power over us. He, ( the adversary) hates the unity of the saints more than any other principle. Or if you will, he hates the "Law of Consecration". Why do you think the early saints were fought against so viciously by devil's in human form, especially in Missouri.
The Zion from above of Enoch is prophecied to literally return back to this earth, and the prophecied Zion yet to be established here on earth in Jackson County, Missouri is to rise up and meet the Zion from above, and see eye to eye, and each will fall upon each others neck and weep for joy. But again, they will see "eye to eye" as the Zion established here on earth will be living the law of Consecration in its fulness along with all the other covenants and laws givin by God. Which of course also includes the New and Everlasting Covenant.

I too completely agree with you... when I said one-half, I was pointing to it being ONLY half. A half a car will not get you to where you want to go! The point about the heavenly Zion coming down has always reminded me that we have to build it first here, "and they will come!" I believe their coming is a Terrestrial or Millennial coming, which is after all the hell raising times ahead. And yes the capstone of the Fullness of the Gospel is Consecration (to quote the early Brethren).

Shalom my friend.

The new covenant is the Book of Mormon and within it, the Sermon on the Mount.

54 And your minds in times past have been darkened because of unbelief, and because you have treated lightly the things you have received—
55 Which vanity and unbelief have brought the whole church under condemnation.
56 And this condemnation resteth upon the children of Zion, even all.
57 And they shall remain under this condemnation until they repent and remember the new covenant, even the Book of Mormon and the former commandments which I have given them, not only to say, but to do according to that which I have written—
(Doctrine and Covenants 84:54–57)

Therefore come unto me and be ye saved; for verily I say unto you, that except ye shall keep my commandments, which I have commanded you at this time, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
(3 Nephi 12:20)

Rumpelstiltskin wrote: ↑August 1st, 2019, 3:45 pm The new covenant is the Book of Mormon and within it, the Sermon on the Mount.

54 And your minds in times past have been darkened because of unbelief, and because you have treated lightly the things you have received—
55 Which vanity and unbelief have brought the whole church under condemnation.
56 And this condemnation resteth upon the children of Zion, even all.
57 And they shall remain under this condemnation until they repent and remember the new covenant, even the Book of Mormon and the former commandments which I have given them, not only to say, but to do according to that which I have written—
(Doctrine and Covenants 84:54–57)

Therefore come unto me and be ye saved; for verily I say unto you, that except ye shall keep my commandments, which I have commanded you at this time, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
(3 Nephi 12:20)

I agree with the quotes, but I do not see how you are making the Sermon on the Mount into a Covenant. I have found few people who even know what the Messiah was teaching! It is not a Covenant at all but an outline of the nature of the missions Beings must do as they progress thorough the different Estates upon the path of Eternal Progression. More can be said about it. I wrote a paper on what I believe... found here.

https://www.academia.edu/39991837/The_P ... BEATITUDES

Kingdom of ZION wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 11:41 pm

NIGHTLIGHT wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 9:28 pm

Kingdom of ZION wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 9:11 am

abijah wrote: ↑July 28th, 2019, 9:37 pm
Praise be to Jesus Christ - He could have just made another world and another Adam who might obey Him - but He chose to give us another chance. So simple, just make another Creation and another, better, man to tend it and keep it. But He didn’t, He saved us, He came down from heaven when He didn’t need to so that we could have another shot.

Really, praise be to Jesus Christ forever, and thanks be to God for His Son.

Abijah, I see many of your scriptural insights here as yearnings to make a greater thing of the Davidic Servant than he will be, for after all he is but a Servant of the true King.

But in your statement above, your wisdom died. The Messiah could not have just made another world or replaced Michael! Michael was not obeying Uriel (Yeshua/Yahshua), but Yah (Yahweh/Yahovah), there Father.

Make a better man... if it was only that simple! This eternal plan is the perfect plan design to allow the children of G_d to come up unto the perfections of G_d, and some (very very few Sons) to become heirs, and joint heirs with the Messiah. To be come the literal children of G_d as the Messiah IS!

You said: " He (the Messiah) came down from heaven when He didn’t need to so that we could have another shot." That is so far off the page, the words could not stick to them... He Messiah came to obtain his divinity, just as every son of G_d has from the dawn of time (forever)! It IS the Father's plan, not the Messiah's!. So says the scriptures, and all things in eternity or from eternity witness it! Even the devils themselves cannot deny such... the Messiah is the Son of the living G_d! And the Messiah said, I have come to do the will of my Father, not my own... in all things.

Do you think there will be a literal exodus in the new world before the New Jerusalem is established?

Absolutely!!! It will be where Joseph said it would be, "Where the Nephites lost their power".

Hi KOZ-

I think we can name an even more recent people who lost their power in that general geographic location, but I digress...

So here's my basic and incomplete opinion (in response to the question you posted earlier) about how and why Zion will succeed this time... I welcome your critique or any additions you can provide to my understanding, as I'm prayerfully seeking to understand more...

I believe that the marvelous work and a wonder (end times gathering / the work of the Father) will begin alongside the great and terrible series of end times events foretold by Daniel, John the Revelator, Nephi and the BoJ. This will result in bringing the nations (among whom God's spiritual elect are scattered) to their knees in a way never seen before. When all hell literally breaks lose, and everything we love in this telestial world is ripped away from us, we will basically be compelled to EITHER truly submit to the Lord with an acceptable sacrifice (a truly broken heart and contrite spirit) OR to curse God and die. For the elect of God, the descension and suffering will be unprecedented, but so will be the corresponding ascension... I imagine it will be somewhat like the events of 3rd Nephi, but spread and magnified across the entire world... In that type of environment, I believe we'll see the miraculous exoduses and gatherings that have been prophesied of, along with the greatest missionary harvest the world has ever seen.

In short, I believe that FINALLY there will be resultant gatherings of people who will truly have received the baptism of fire and Gift of the Holy Ghost, because they finally repent and return to the Lord with the only acceptable offering (BHCS) he has asked for. These humble saints finally enter the gate onto the strait and narrow path of the New and Everlasting Covenant. Having been spiritually begotten, the Lord's spirit writes His law and name on their hearts and tells them "all things which they should do." This true reception of the Holy Ghost will be similar to Acts 2, Mosiah 5, Helaman 5, and 3 Nephi 19-20. I believe that this is THE KEY thing which has eluded any large group of people for so many centuries (strait is the gate and few be there that find it). It is required of a Zion / pure in heart people. I believe that the Church of the Lamb of God (aka Zion) which Nephi speaks of can simply be described as those who have actually been baptised by fire and of the Holy Ghost (not just received the dead temporal ordinances). ALL OTHERS will be considered part of the Church of the Devil because they decide to remain telestial rather than ascend in glory.

I don't believe ANY currently organized church can currently boast that it's membership is in possession of the Gift of the Holy Ghost - because they are not yet making the appropriate sacrificial offering of the BHCS. We (who are identified among the gentiles) are, at best, like the Nephites in 3 Nephi 9:13 (in a pre-converted, yet to be healed stage). Likewise there is no missionary work that is currently involved in the great work of gathering scattered Israel. Obviously this is contrary to the popular belief on this forum. ...

1 Nephi 14
6 Therefore, wo be unto the Gentiles if it so be that they harden their hearts against the Lamb of God.
7 For the time cometh, saith the Lamb of God, that I will work a great and a marvelous work among the children of men; a work which shall be everlasting, either on the one hand or on the other—either to the convincing of them unto peace and life eternal, or unto the deliverance of them to the hardness of their hearts and the blindness of their minds unto their being brought down into captivity, and also into destruction, both temporally and spiritually, according to the captivity of the devil, of which I have spoken.
10 And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth.
12 And it came to pass that I beheld the church of the Lamb of God, and its numbers were few, because of the wickedness and abominations of the whore who sat upon many waters; nevertheless, I beheld that the church of the Lamb, who were the saints of God, were also upon all the face of the earth; and their dominions upon the face of the earth were small, because of the wickedness of the great whore whom I saw.
14 And it came to pass that I, Nephi, beheld the power of the Lamb of God, that it descended upon the saints of the church of the Lamb, and upon the covenant people of the Lord, who were scattered upon all the face of the earth; and they were armed with righteousness and with the power of God in great glory.
17 And when the day cometh that the wrath of God is poured out upon the mother of harlots, which is the great and abominable church of all the earth, whose founder is the devil, then, at that day, the work of the Father shall commence, in preparing the way for the fulfilling of his covenants, which he hath made to his people who are of the house of Israel.

Davka wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 10:45 pm

Themedicareguy wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 10:28 pm

Davka wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 10:18 pm

Themedicareguy wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 10:08 pm

Jesus atoned for all sin, past, present, and future. He even atoned for sins of God's children who live on other worlds.

Please show me where it says that.

It makes reason stare to believe that for the rest of eternity forward (and backward?) Heavenly Father's children will be learning about a Savior who lived “a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away” or something to that effect. And we just happened to be the lucky few billion out of all of Heavenly Father’s numberless children to be on the exact Earth where the Savior lived, too? And within only a couple centuries of the event?

Nope. I don’t buy that.

I really like this summary. This guy explains it a lot better than I can.

https://ldsscriptureteachings.org/2011/ ... of-worlds/

Thanks for the link. I completely agree that the Savior is the Redeemer of other worlds he has created. But it makes more sense to me that he condescended to their worlds and did the same thing for them there that he did for us here. But that’s just me.

In this eternity, He is the Redeemer, and He did the total Atonement on this earth, in the Garden of Gethsemane, for all of God's children. It was truly an infinite atonement. When Christ said, "I God have suffered these things for all..." He was not thinking only of this earth, but of all of His dominion, and that spreads as far as sands of the seas, and much farther. In Moses 7:28 And it came to pass that the God of heaven looked upon the aresidue of the people, and he wept; and Enoch bore record of it, saying: How is it that the heavens weep, and shed forth their tears as the rain upon the mountains?
29 And Enoch said unto the Lord: How is it that thou canst aweep, seeing thou art holy, and from all eternity to all eternity?
30 And were it possible that man could number the particles of the earth, yea, millions of earths like this, it would not be a beginning to the number of thy creations; and thy curtains are stretched out still; and yet thou art there, and thy bosom is there; and also thou art just; thou art merciful and kind forever;
31 And thou hast taken Zion to thine own bosom, from all thy creations, from all eternity to all eternity; and naught but peace, justice, and truth is the habitation of thy throne; and mercy shall go before thy face and have no end; how is it thou canst weep?
32 The Lord said unto Enoch: Behold these thy brethren; they are the workmanship of mine own hands, and I gave unto them their knowledge, in the day I created them;" This and more. He is Eternal.

Romans 11

For if their rejection means the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance mean but life from the dead?

Thank the God of Israel.

Kingdom of ZION wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 7:54 pm Heaven yes, but is it some new never heard before Covenant? No! Are there different covenants? Yes, but they apply to dispensations. The N&ELC is what the Ten Commandments are to Second Estate Beings, that is the Law given unto Fourth Estate Beings.

Your posts read like someone’s who took acid and never came down.

Your posts are unscriptural. They are insane. They are truly dumb, and entirely unrepresented in the Biblical narrative.

So stop polluting my threads with your drivel or at least obtain some semblance of basic Biblical education before you do. Any Rabbi would destroy you, go ahead and test me on that.

If you live in CA or Holland I know a good, probly better dealer. You and all the other fourth-estate beings will have a blast. So hit me up, I’ll hook you up like none other.

abijah wrote: ↑August 4th, 2019, 11:52 pm

Kingdom of ZION wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 7:54 pm Heaven yes, but is it some new never heard before Covenant? No! Are there different covenants? Yes, but they apply to dispensations. The N&ELC is what the Ten Commandments are to Second Estate Beings, that is the Law given unto Fourth Estate Beings.

Your posts read like someone’s who took acid and never came down.

Your posts are unscriptural. They are insane. They are truly dumb, and entirely unrepresented in the Biblical narrative.

So stop polluting my threads with your drivel or at least obtain some semblance of basic Biblical education before you do. Any Rabbi would destroy you, go ahead and test me on that.

If you live in CA or Holland I know a good, probly better dealer. You and all the other fourth-estate beings will have a blast. So hit me up, I’ll hook you up like none other.

Ye men of the Elders Quorum, and all ye that dwell in Utah, perhaps these are not on acid, as ye suppose, but this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel... Maybe.

caburnha wrote: ↑August 5th, 2019, 1:19 amYe men of the Elders Quorum, and all ye that dwell in Utah, perhaps these are not on acid, as ye suppose, but this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel... Maybe.

Whatever KoZ is on he better share some.

Blast me straight to the FIFTH ESTATE and back.

abijah wrote: ↑August 5th, 2019, 1:21 am

caburnha wrote: ↑August 5th, 2019, 1:19 amYe men of the Elders Quorum, and all ye that dwell in Utah, perhaps these are not on acid, as ye suppose, but this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel... Maybe.

Whatever KoZ is on he better share some.

Blast me straight to the FIFTH ESTATE and back.

Sorry you can't borrow oil for your lamp... Gotta get your own.

caburnha wrote: ↑August 5th, 2019, 1:25 am Sorry you can't borrow oil for your lamp... Gotta get your own.

And you’ve tasted that oil?

I have standards, I know better.

Don’t want my lamp getting clogged.

abijah wrote: ↑August 4th, 2019, 11:52 pm

Kingdom of ZION wrote: ↑July 29th, 2019, 7:54 pm Heaven yes, but is it some new never heard before Covenant? No! Are there different covenants? Yes, but they apply to dispensations. The N&ELC is what the Ten Commandments are to Second Estate Beings, that is the Law given unto Fourth Estate Beings.

Your posts read like someone’s who took acid and never came down.

Your posts are unscriptural. They are insane. They are truly dumb, and entirely unrepresented in the Biblical narrative.

So stop polluting my threads with your drivel or at least obtain some semblance of basic Biblical education before you do. Any Rabbi would destroy you, go ahead and test me on that.

If you live in CA or Holland I know a good, probly better dealer. You and all the other fourth-estate beings will have a blast. So hit me up, I’ll hook you up like none other.

Ah, your dealing hard drugs is how you support yourself? That explains a lot. I will tell you of a truth, 90 percent of what people say, it is their truth and reveals their issues. So, you own your threads and no one is allowed to respond with a differing point of view. How demigod of you! You see what you see in the scriptures, and I know what I know. When I speak about my truths, they are not pointed at you, and I could care less whether you understand or excepted them. They are not mine, nor am I the one who can make them yours. But if you have had your feelings hurt, and you want to be totally excluded... then when I post I can place an all cap exclaimer that says this is posted to everyone except you? Would that make you feel better?

Test you? You have already proven you lack the wisdom the Messiah commanded His disciples and others to follow:
Luke 9:50 (KJV). “And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.”.
And again:
Mark 9:38-40 (KJV) 38 And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us. 39 But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me. 40 For he that is not against us is on our part (is for us).

I have nothing further to say to you... and I only feel sorry for you!

Kingdom of ZION wrote: ↑August 5th, 2019, 11:27 pm How demigod of you!

Hahahaha

Yeah, how “DEMIGOD” of me, using the scriptures for my guide.

So is there any possible relevance for a New Covenant for us, than the one which we have been living under? Is it possible the conditions laid out on Sinai have become outdated? Is it possible a New Israel is set to rise?

The old Israel was made for the purpose of conquering the earth.

And we act like a “new Israel” is no big deal.