do not unite themselves to that great and abominable church

[I AM]

2 Nephi 6

12 And blessed are the Gentiles, they of whom the prophet has written; for behold,
if it so be that they shall repent and fight not against Zion, and do not unite themselves to that great and abominable church, they shall be saved; for the Lord God will fulfil his covenants which he has made unto his children; and for this cause the prophet has written these things.

hmm.
I wonder why we even have this scripture,
if there wasn't a possibility of it happening.

"I truly believe we have not repented as a church and people,
and HAVE "unite themselves to that great and abominable church. "

Rome Temple dedication - and meeting with the pope,
President Russell Nelson said
"This is a hinge point in the history of the church.
Things are going to move forward at an accelerated pace, of which this is a part,"

Dictionary
hinge -
"attach or join with or as if with a hinge"

Yes, IT WILL "move forward at an accelerated pace"
To the fall of the Gentiles and the church,
and to The Times of the Gentiles being fulfilled.
With fulfilling the words of Isaiah; and words of warning in the Book of Mormon,
with "uniting themselves to that great and abominable church";
the church will have fulfilled it's full measure of iniquity and apostasy.

quote from someone
"If you are in a church organization which looks on world unity
and ecumenical efforts as desirable, YOU ARE IN the Whore Church,
and you will either get OUT of her, or you will be damned to hell and consumed by the wrath of a holy God. "

"And when the spirit of persecution, the spirit of hatred, of wrath, and malice ceases in the world against this people, it will be the time that this people have apostatized and joined hands with the wicked, and never until then; which I pray may never come."
Brigham Young, May 31, 1857, JD 4:327.


"they will say: All is well in Zion;
yea, Zion prospereth, all is well—
and thus the devil cheateth their souls,
and leadeth them away carefully down to hell.
24 Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!
25 Wo be unto him that crieth: All is well!

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THE GENTILES - your future

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(in part)
The unrepentant Gentiles cannot stand before God's power. Lehi's descendants, whom God empowers, marshal themselves and vex the wicked Gentiles.
They go among the Gentiles like a lion among the beasts, treading down and tearing to pieces. Lehi's descendants, who are of the house of Israel, inherit the Gentiles' lands and cities.
The Lord reestablishes Lehi's descendants in this land, even as the wicked Gentiles perish.

Although the scriptures say that the Gentiles will perish, the Lord doesn't utterly destroy them.
Some Gentiles, as we have seen, turn from their evil ways.
Some don't harden their hearts.
They don't unite with that great and abominable church nor fight against Zion.
These Gentiles know where their blessings come from - they know that the Lord has blessed them with the blessings of Israel.
To save as many Gentiles as will come to him,
the Lord calls on them before the day of judgement. he stirs up the Gentiles
and the house of Israel in order to persuade them to repent.
The Gentiles must repent and not continue in iniquity.
They must forthwith repent and humble themselves.
If they do, it will be well with them. As they repent and come to the Lord,
he will be merciful to them.
Those Gentiles who repent and obey the words of Christ will be blessed.

[I AM]

quote

"Mormons generally believe that they are the Church of the Lamb of God referred to and all other religions are the church of the devil, but is this correct? "

""The Lord made a curious statement to Nephi which has never been correctly explained to my knowledge:"

“Behold, there are save two churches only; one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the Devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth. And it came to pass that I looked and beheld the whore of all the earth, and she sat upon many waters; and she had dominion over all the earth, among all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people.” (I Nephi 14:10-11)

Mormons generally believe that they are the Church of the Lamb of God referred to and all other religions are the church of the devil, but is this correct? Nephi himself solves the mystery and tells us who it is that belongs to the church of the devil and interestingly, he does not name any particular religion:

“Wherefore, he that fighteth against Zion, both Jew and Gentile, both bond and free, both male and female, shall perish; for THEY ARE THEY WHO ARE THE WHORE of all the earth: for they who are not for me are against me, saith our God.” (2 Nephi 10:16)

Could it really be that many of the LDS themselves make up part of the whore, or the great and abominable church? Yes. The scriptures clearly tell us that anyone that fights the establishment of Zion becomes a part of the whore, or the church of the devil. Else why did Nephi warn us: “And blessed are the Gentiles [The LDS], they of whom the prophet has written; for behold, if it so be that they shall repent and fight not against Zion, and do not unite themselves to that great and abominable church, they shall be saved.” (2 Nephi 6:12)

Since the Great and Abominable Church is composed of those who fight against Zion, we must ask the question, How does one fight against Zion? To understand let us examine some of the ingredients of which Zion will be composed.

When Zion is fully established, it will be an independent entity which will have “no laws but my laws.” (D&C 38:22)

It will be “independent above all other creatures beneath the celestial world.” (D&C 78:14)

Zion will support the principles of freedom and limited government in our Constitution which is for the “protection of all flesh”. (D&C 101: 77)

The saints were told to “buy lands and gather together upon them; and in this way they may establish Zion... . They shall gather together unto the places which I have appointed.” (D&C 101:74 & 67)

Each place where there was a gathering was to be a stake. A stake was not supposed to be 3,000 saints in the midst of a city of 50,000, but it was to be composed of an actual city of saints staked out around the central stake. These stakes are referred to as if the curtains or the strength of Zion.” (D&C 101:21)

“Zion cannot be built up unless it is by the principles of the celestial kingdom.” (D&C 105:5)

In Zion we are told that “it is not given that one man should possess that which is above another, wherewith the world lieth in sin.” (D&C 50:20)

We are told that the Lord “called His people Zion, because they were of one heart and one mind and dwelt in righteousness; and there was no poor among them.” (Moses 7:18)

How many are there in the Church today that actively work for the establishment of the above principles? Unfortunately, many have been excommunicated for doing so. Concerning those who are not for the principles of Christ, he said, “He that is not with me is against me.” (Matt. 12:30)

We are told that the natural man is an enemy to God, and the natural man does indeed rebel against the establishment of Zion. He does not want to gather out of Babylon and be separate from the world for he loves the world. He does not want to be equal in earthly things for he wants to be above his brother. He seeks to rely upon the arm of flesh rather than receive personal revelation. This person whether Mormon or not, who pits his will against Zion, belongs to the church of the devil. The number is legion for many who are for Zion in word are against it in deed.

On the other hand, many non-Mormons belong to the Church of the Lamb of God. These are they who have the fire of freedom burning in their breasts. They believe that all men should have the freedom to worship as they please so long as it does not infringe on the rights of others. They do not believe in establishing an authority for every decision for the final authority is the human spirit in communication with God.

The number of these people are few, and many of them are not members of the Church and some of them are inactive members who would participate if the Church were in order. These freedom loving people who live harmless lives and do many good things of their own free will are the true members of the Church of the Lamb of God even if they presently live in far off Russia or India. The cause of Zion is in the soul of many who have not yet heard the word, for it is written in their hearts.

One of the marks of the Great and Abominable Church is the practice of priestcraft and Nephi gives us a clear insight as to the definition thereof: “He commanded that there shall be no priestcrafts; for, behold, priestcrafts are that men preach and set themselves up for a light unto the world, that they may get gain and praise of the world; but they seek not the welfare of Zion ... . Wherefore if they should have charity they would not suffer the laborer in Zion to perish.” (2 Nephi 26:29-30)

Is there priestcraft in the Church today? Are there those who set themselves up for a light that others must follow or suffer the consequences?

One may answer yes, but at the same time question that this is no more the case today than it was in the days of Joseph Smith or Brigham Young. But is there a difference in the attitude of the authorities today compared with the early days?

If you study the history of the Church, you will note a quite remarkable difference; the main one being the suffocation and strangulation in individual expression, freedom, and spiritual gifts in the Church today.

In 1843 the High Council was quite concerned about the teachings of a certain Elder named Pelatiah Brown even though Joseph Smith called him “one of the wisest old heads we have among us.” He was called up for trial for teaching mysteries not yet revealed. Of this Joseph Smith said, “I did not like the old man being called up for erring in doctrine. It looks too much like the Methodists, and not like the Latter-Day Saints. Methodists have creeds which a man must believe or be asked out of their church. I want the liberty of thinking and believing as I please. It feels so good not to be trammeled. It does not prove that a man is not a good man because he errs in doctrine.” (DHC 5:340)

It is interesting to note that today the Methodists allow greater freedom of thought, whereas the Latter-Day Saints are the ones who ask those whom they believe are erring in doctrine out of the Church.

Let’s examine several other statements of Joseph Smith:

“I stated that the most prominent difference between the Latter-Day Saints and sectarians was, that the latter were all circumscribed by some peculiar creed, which deprived its members the privilege of believing anything not contained therein, whereas the Latter- day Saints have no creed, but are ready to believe all true principles that exist as they are manifest from time to time.” (DHC 5: 215)

“I told him I had no creed to circumscribe my mind; therefore the people did not like me.” (DHC 5:214)

“I want to come up into the presence of God, and learn all things; but the creeds set up stakes, and say, ‘Hitherto shalt thou come; and no further,’ which I cannot subscribe to.” (DHC 6:57)

Brigham Young spoke in a similar vein:

“If they have not yet undivided feelings, they will be chastened until they have them; not only until every one of them shall see for themselves, and prophecy for themselves, have visions for themselves, but be made acquainted with all the principles and laws necessary for them to know, so as to supersede the necessity of anyone teaching them. Is not the time to come when I shall not say to my neighbor, know the Lord, for he will know him as well as I do?” (J. of D. 3: 89)

Notice how Joseph Smith tried to avoid setting himself up as a light above his brethren: “I explained to him that I did not profess to be a prophet any more than every man ought to who professes to be a preacher of righteousness.” (DHC 5:232)

Why did the Lord say, “My people are destroyed for a lack of knowledge ... the people that doth not understand shall fall.” (Hosea 4:6 & 14)

Notice that the Lord tells us that the people must understand. It is not enough to pin our faith on the sleeve of the leaders. Knowing this, the early prophets tried to inspire the people to be as good or better than they were. It is a great temptation for those placed in a leadership position to believe that God has chosen them for an authority rather than a servant. Many of these try to extinguish the lesser lights around them so all the light these little minds have is the radiation from the arm of flesh.

On the contrary, God has ordained that we all share the great light of God who is our source and eventually become great lights ourselves.

Yes, there is a difference in the leadership of the Latter-Day Saints today. Today they say, “Hitherto shalt thou come and no further.” You can believe the works of Joseph Fielding Smith, Talmage, and LeGrande Richards, but if you get a different interpretation out of the scriptures, you must stop and repent or get out.

Today the church does have a creed. It is the creed of the modern authorities of the Church which is essentially this: “The Brethren will never lead you astray. Do not think for yourself, but follow to the letter and think as you are told or get out.” Modern Mormons are circumscribed by this and the result is the present very low, almost nonexistent degree of spiritual manifestations in the Church.

As mentioned earlier, my nephew (and later myself) was called in by his bishop and excommunicated by the High Council within about a week because he believed the scriptures above the opinions of the modern authorities. The Doctrine and Covenants tells us that the High Council is supposed to be split so half of them defend the person on trial, but they were all one voice against him. He had no defense. One of the reasons was that a visiting general authority told the High Council to cut him off before the trial was held. Yea, even the wicked have greater justice in their hearts than this!

In speaking of those who practice priestcraft, Nephi said, “They seek not the welfare of Zion ... . Wherefore, if they should have charity they would not suffer the laborer in Zion to perish.” (2 Nephi 26:29-30)

Who is the “laborer in Zion”? Obviously he is one who is laboring for the cause of Zion and Nephi prophesies that the priestcrafters will cause such laborers to perish. Now these priestcrafters could not be Catholics or Baptists for they have had no laborers for Zion, for they do not even teach of it, so the prophecy can only refer to priestcraft within the church that has the Book of Mormon.

What does the laborer in Zion do? He works to establish celestial principles which are equality through free will, the gathering of Israel, he seeks for revelation from heaven, he seeks the mysteries of the kingdom of God, he seeks to enlighten his fellow men and women, and what happens to such a one? He is “frowned” on by the authorities and if he persists laboring for Zion, he is cut off.

After he is cut off, the atmosphere becomes so heavy between him and his member friends, that he makes no attempt to even go to the mainstream church and often winds up attending some fringe group who will at least receive him. Thus, the laborer in Zion perished and had to travel a strange path."

end quote

[Durzan]

The great and abominable church is not the LDS church, the catholic church or socialism fits the bill far better than us do. However, that is besides the point as the Great and Abominable church is not specifically referring to any modern organization we would call a church, but is collectively referring to all those who in the end would deliberately and intentionally serve or worship the devil.

The Book of Mormon teaches truths in a simplistic and easy to understand fashion, because it contains the fullness of the everlasting gospel and is meant to draw us unto Christ, not expound the deepness of the mysteries of God. Its primary roll is to teach the preparatory gospel, the first principles and ordinances that lead into the celestial kingdom and that allow us to be fully covered by Christ's Atonement.

This is why Nephi teaches of there being two churches only. Because at the end of the day, there are only two groups fighting for the souls of men on this Earth: The sons of God and the sons of Perdition. Everyone else is caught somewhere in between the two, and will either more closely align to one or the other. Those aligned in the Telestial kingdom will be more close to the sons of Perdition than to God, but will not have fully committed to them and so will be partially redeemed in the end, while those who will be in theTerrestrial or Celestial kingdoms will be far closer to God. The terrestrial are those who weren't fully committed to the concept of being Christ-like and obedient, while those who are celestial are those who enter by the strait and narrow to the degree that they desire.

[jmack]

I Am, I want you to answer straight, no games. Are you saying the church that I belong to is the great, abominable church of the Devil? Pretty ant mormon if that what's you mean.

[I AM]

I Am, I want you to answer straight, no games. Are you saying the church that I belong to is the great, abominable church of the Devil? Pretty ant mormon if that what's you mean.

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no, that's not what I saying,
what I'm saying is that I believe we are
"uniting" with a One World Religion System.
We are trying to "fit in " , and be a part of the World. (Babylon)
We are longer a "peculiar people" that we once were,
where everyone hates us and we keep pure and separate from Babylon.
If you know anything about the Catholic church;
the prophet shaking the popes hand should be a red flag right there.

the best way to describe what I believe is to repeat this quote.
quote from someone
"If you are in a church organization which looks on world unity
and ecumenical efforts as desirable, YOU ARE IN the Whore Church,
and you will either get OUT of her, or you will be damned to hell
and consumed by the wrath of a holy God. "

[I AM]

as I've said before

purple
do you know what religion uses purple ?

church of the devil, the whore, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS,
"that great and abominable church, which is the mother of abominations, whose founder is the devil."

read carefully the scriptures below.

(*** my notes)

1 Nephi 14

19 And I looked and beheld a man, and he was dressed in a white robe.

20 And the angel said unto me: Behold one of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. *** John

21 Behold, he shall see and write the remainder of these things; yea, and also many things which have been.

22 And he shall also write concerning the end of the world. *** in the book of Revelation by John

23 Wherefore, the things which he shall write are just and true; and behold they are written in the book which thou beheld proceeding out of the mouth of the Jew; and at the time they proceeded out of the mouth of the Jew, or, at the time the book proceeded out of the mouth of the Jew, the things which were written were plain and pure, and most precious and easy to the understanding of all men.
*** the Bible is the book that proceeded out of the mouth of the Jew;
which "plain and pure, and most precious" things were removed by the Catholic church.

24 And behold, the things which this apostle of the Lamb shall write are many things which thou hast seen; and behold, the remainder shalt thou see. *** apostle John

25 But the things which thou shalt see hereafter thou shalt not write; for the Lord God hath ordained the apostle of the Lamb of God that he should write them. *** again John

26 And also others who have been, to them hath he shown all things, and they have written them; and they are sealed up to come forth in their purity, according to the truth which is in the Lamb, in the own due time of the Lord, unto the house of Israel.

27 And I, Nephi, heard and bear record, that the name of the apostle of the Lamb was John, according to the word of the angel.



The Revelation
of St John the Divine
Chapter 17

John is shown that Babylon the great, the mother of harlots and abominations, has become established throughout the earth.

1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:

2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.


(The great CITY of Rome (located in Italy) has been long known as the, "City of the Seven Hills" or the "City of Seven hills". An excerpt from A Woman Rides the Beast by Dave Hunt (p. 67, emphases ours)-- )
(Only one city has for more than 2000 years been known as the city on seven hills. That city is Rome. The Catholic Encyclopedia states: "It is within the city of Rome, called the city of seven hills, that the entire area of Vatican State proper is now confined.")

10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

[abijah]

purple
do you know what religion uses purple ?

church of the devil, the whore, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS,

Purple is the colour of royalty, and mixing the red and the blue. Just because the devil usurps something doesn't mean its inherently bad. Do you think he creates his own symbolism?

[I AM]

purple
do you know what religion uses purple ?

church of the devil, the whore, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS,

Purple is the colour of royalty, and mixing the red and the blue. Just because the devil usurps something doesn't mean its inherently bad. Do you think he creates his own symbolism?

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this is what John saw.

The Revelation
of St John the Divine
Chapter 17
3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.


"The seven heads and ten horns indicate that the beast will be a coalition of nations that rises to power to subdue the earth under Satan’s control.
Later references to “the beast” in Revelation picture an individual—the man who is the political leader and head of the beastly empire."


"the Mother or Harlots is decked with scarlet, which is the color of the Roman Church. Scarlet is everywhere in their worship, vestments, and art. But, the beast too is scarlet.
This dye is beyond our scarlet today to have a tinge of blue in it. It is extracted from a species of oak in Spain. It is not associated with Arabia.
Thus, the home territory of scarlet, the Whore, and the Beast are Europe. They do not stay there though.

Finally, there is a definition parallel here that is interesting. The word Ephah also means gloomy or darkness in the Hebrew. Thus, the woman in the Ephah is dark, or "this is wickedness" as in verse 8 above.
No other work fits the Roman Catholic Church, AND the united world religions as they come together.

This is the seat (see photo below of the Vatican) of the most prominent whore church today. I personally have heard Roman Catholics, including one missionary priest, tell me that the Vatican is full of Satanism, Masonry, and witchcraft and is indeed a whore as to Christian teaching.

Soon, all world religion will unite into THE whore, the last great wicked harlot monster of religious compromise.

World Christendom and world religions, will unite with the Whore of Babylon, or shall we say this.... The Whore is the counterfeit of the Bride of Christ. The beast is the EU which the Whore rides. This perhaps is clearer for our understanding. We rejoice though, for the end of the Whore and the Beast are a great blessing and cause for us to rejoice even as we watch the deluded strategies of evil European leaders today.

If you are in a church organization which looks on world unity and ecumenical efforts as desirable, you are IN the Whore Church, and you will either get OUT of her, or you will be damned to hell and consumed by the wrath of a holy God. "

[ThePowerofEternity111]

Zion shall never come until people are of One heart and One Spirit, common in all things, sharing all things, working together as one in all things, even celestial way. Thus did the church succeed no and this is why we took our Angel early from the earth because of the hardness of their hearts. Has the church come out of the condemnation, no it hasn't, has God suffered the Devil to give Revelations to the saints at times, indeed let them discern for themselves. Shall Zion be restored before the day of burning, yes but in a time of desolation when the church is scattered and broken up and the serpents kingdom is revealed, when many eggs get consumed and chickens scatter across the world. It shall be restored by power, blessed are any souls who die hence forth in name of Christ.

Saying ye are special children of God, and exalting yourselves in temples, boasting about a priesthood is not a broken heart and contrite spirit, it is a prideful heart who has exalted themselves to be equal with God before it is even given them, thus they shall be abased. Adoption required humility without it how then can ye be adopted through the Son and born of his spirit, given a new body and spirit. Verily I saith unto ye unless the world repents the ending shall come harshly and it shall also come against the house of the Lord because of the state it has become, for in complacency do many sit in cheerful joy blind to the pit ahead. Repent and become as the people of Mosiah or ye may perish in coming times for a time.

[I AM]

Saying ye are special children of God,

That, just as the children of Abraham said:
"we are the children of Abraham that God
has covenanted with and that he would bless
his seed forever."

Matthew 3:9 (KJV)
9 And think not to say within yourselves,
We have Abraham to our father:
for I say unto you, that God is able
of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

[jmack]

I Am, I want you to answer straight, no games. Are you saying the church that I belong to is the great, abominable church of the Devil? Pretty ant mormon if that what's you mean.

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no, that's not what I saying,
what I'm saying is that I believe we are
"uniting" with a One World Religion System.
We are trying to "fit in " , and be a part of the World. (Babylon)
We are longer a "peculiar people" that we once were,
where everyone hates us and we keep pure and separate from Babylon.
If you know anything about the Catholic church;
the prophet shaking the popes hand should be a red flag right there.

the best way to describe what I believe is to repeat this quote.
quote from someone
"If you are in a church organization which looks on world unity
and ecumenical efforts as desirable, YOU ARE IN the Whore Church,
and you will either get OUT of her, or you will be damned to hell
and consumed by the wrath of a holy God. "

I don't agree because we'll usher in the millennium and Brigham Young said there would be lots of people belonging to other religions during it. To fight Satan we'll need other good people because there aren't enough LDS members. Any church that will stand against Anti-Christ, we should welcome to join in this battle.

[I AM]

I Am, I want you to answer straight, no games. Are you saying the church that I belong to is the great, abominable church of the Devil? Pretty ant mormon if that what's you mean.

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no, that's not what I saying,
what I'm saying is that I believe we are
"uniting" with a One World Religion System.
We are trying to "fit in " , and be a part of the World. (Babylon)
We are longer a "peculiar people" that we once were,
where everyone hates us and we keep pure and separate from Babylon.
If you know anything about the Catholic church;
the prophet shaking the popes hand should be a red flag right there.

the best way to describe what I believe is to repeat this quote.
quote from someone
"If you are in a church organization which looks on world unity
and ecumenical efforts as desirable, YOU ARE IN the Whore Church,
and you will either get OUT of her, or you will be damned to hell
and consumed by the wrath of a holy God. "

I don't agree because we'll usher in the millennium and Brigham Young said there would be lots of people belonging to other religions during it. To fight Satan we'll need other good people because there aren't enough LDS members. Any church that will stand against Anti-Christ, we should welcome to join in this battle.

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so you don't think that the anti- christ or the Catholic church
could possibly have any connection, and
has anything to do, or part of the NWO - One World Government
and One World Religion System ?

[Bronco73idi]

I personally think that there are many good people in all of the religions that praise our father and his son. There are also many good people that only praise our father. They will all chip in for Zion. If we believe Daniel we know that there was 1260 years our father’s sword was removed from the earth.

April 20-26 570 Muhammed was born. 570 also had the Lombard invasion in Italy.

So who is the Antichrist, Muslim or Catholic Church? It doesn’t matter to a disciple of Christ. All that matters is knowing it happened and his second coming is at hand.

When will the man child be revealed or anointed? My opinion is Ancient of days will do it when he takes out the 4th kingdom (1st visitation in his valley). The anointed one will bring forth Zion

[I AM]

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"If you are in a church organization which looks on world unity and ecumenical efforts as desirable, you are IN the Whore Church, and you will either get OUT of her, or you will be damned to hell and consumed by the wrath of a holy God. "

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I believe the Pope may well be the "false prophet" in Rev 19:20 and play an important part in future events
and could be the "another beast" in Revelation 13: 11

Revelation 19
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Revelation 13
John sees fierce-looking beasts that represent degenerate earthly kingdoms controlled by Satan—The devil works miracles and deceives men.

1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. (3 1/2 years) 1/2 of the 7 year tribulation period

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth;
and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
***
"The beast is described as having two horns (verse 11) of a lamb but speaks with the voice of the dragon.
The lamb is a well- known symbol of the Savior and so John is telling us that the person is not only a religious figure but a Christian figure or leader.
The two horns mean that the man, or his kingdom, has two areas or rule.
The kingdom that immediately comes to mind is the only
Christian religion or kingdom that has two areas of rule;
the Roman Catholic Church."

12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and "causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. "

The letters inscribed in the Pope's metre are
Vicarius Filii Dei, reduced to its Roman numerals, sums up to 666



Daniel 7

3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.

4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle’s wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man’s heart was given to it.

5 And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.

6 After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.

7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;

23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. (or 3 1/2 years)


It is evident that John and Daniel are seeing the same beast although
Daniel sees 3 individual beasts first.
The 4th beast is made up of the 3 beasts - England, Russia, and Germany.
Germany, also has 4 heads, which are the 4 governments that Germany has had.

The 10 horns are the nations of Europe and the little horn comes up
among them.

The little horn, leader of Russia, who is the Antichrist, is the mouth of the beast,
and is the king of Assyria from Isaiah.
Assyria in Isaiah is a metaphor for Russia - the bear,
hence, the little horn is
the leader of Russia and the leader of the new giant government
which is formed and called the beast.
The leader or head of this beast, destroys 3 of the other kings -
he removes their leaders and convinces the other nations to follow him
and give him their power.
This "little horn" is the one who plucks up these 3 governments and in Daniel's
vision, the bear (Russia) is seen with 3 ribs in his mouth.

[Bronco73idi]

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"If you are in a church organization which looks on world unity and ecumenical efforts as desirable, you are IN the Whore Church, and you will either get OUT of her, or you will be damned to hell and consumed by the wrath of a holy God. "

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I believe the Pope may well be the "false prophet" in Rev 19:20 and play an important part in future events
and could be the "another beast" in Revelation 13: 11

Revelation 19
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Revelation 13
John sees fierce-looking beasts that represent degenerate earthly kingdoms controlled by Satan—The devil works miracles and deceives men.

1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. (3 1/2 years) 1/2 of the 7 year tribulation period

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth;
and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
***
"The beast is described as having two horns (verse 11) of a lamb but speaks with the voice of the dragon.
The lamb is a well- known symbol of the Savior and so John is telling us that the person is not only a religious figure but a Christian figure or leader.
The two horns mean that the man, or his kingdom, has two areas or rule.
The kingdom that immediately comes to mind is the only
Christian religion or kingdom that has two areas of rule;
the Roman Catholic Church."

12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and "causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. "

The letters inscribed in the Pope's metre are
Vicarius Filii Dei, reduced to its Roman numerals, sums up to 666

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Daniel 7

3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.

4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle’s wings: I beheld till the wings thereof were plucked, and it was lifted up from the earth, and made stand upon the feet as a man, and a man’s heart was given to it.

5 And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear, and it raised up itself on one side, and it had three ribs in the mouth of it between the teeth of it: and they said thus unto it, Arise, devour much flesh.

6 After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard, which had upon the back of it four wings of a fowl; the beast had also four heads; and dominion was given to it.

7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;

23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. (or 3 1/2 years)


It is evident that John and Daniel are seeing the same beast although
Daniel sees 3 individual beasts first.
The 4th beast is made up of the 3 beasts - England, Russia, and Germany.
Germany, also has 4 heads, which are the 4 governments that Germany has had.

The 10 horns are the nations of Europe and the little horn comes up
among them.

The little horn, leader of Russia, who is the Antichrist, is the mouth of the beast,
and is the king of Assyria from Isaiah.
Assyria in Isaiah is a metaphor for Russia - the bear,
hence, the little horn is
the leader of Russia and the leader of the new giant government
which is formed and called the beast.
The leader or head of this beast, destroys 3 of the other kings -
he removes their leaders and convinces the other nations to follow him
and give him their power.
This "little horn" is the one who plucks up these 3 governments and in Daniel's
vision, the bear (Russia) is seen with 3 ribs in his mouth.

How did our lord reply to the Pharisees? Simple and elegant or a long winded blah blah blah.......

[Bronco73idi]

if you think my comments are
"a long winded blah blah blah......."
then PLEASE - for my sake,
DO NOT READ THEM !
or especially
REPLY TO THEM !

I try to read them, it might have some value, it rarely ever does. The blah blah blah was a continuation from the true prophet post. If we didn’t have that conversation I would have been more elegant. Now I went straight for sharp.

When I was in the US Navy I had the pleasure of living with a pathological liar for about 5 months(this story is about human interaction not implying you are a liar) In a little over 3 months he broke down crying. I’m a liar, my dads a liar and I’ll always be a liar. He never lied to me again. You could say I had the spirit of contention before he broke down or you could say I spoke sharply to him....

I saw him six months later, he had a girlfriend and he was so happy to see me.

[I AM]

prophets words (like Isaiah) are hard to hear
when they are condemning you,
that's why people don't want to hear them, and stone them.

You know why I WILL NOT BACK DOWN
OR BE MOVED from my course ?
because I know I'm right, and
because I SPEAK THE TRUTH !

how do I know I speak the truth ?
because I'm not the one speaking it;
it's the prophets in the scriptures that are saying it, not me;
THAT'S WHY I KNOW IT'S THE TRUTH !
do NOT listen to me -
READ THE WORDS OF THE PROPHETS -
AND HEED THEIR WORDS OF WARNINGS FOR US !

[abijah]

this is what John saw.

Do you believe the devil and his woman are liars?

The true messiah will also wear scarlet and violet, the Shiloh colour. And his bride will also be decked in her jewels and adornments.

Don’t get caught up in the symbols, because Lucifer’s emblems are only those he usurped from God. And his ownership of them is temporary. I still find it funny both Bill and Hillary wearing their violet as if they were royalty on 2016 election night.

[I AM]

this is what John saw.

Do you believe the devil and his woman are liars?

The true messiah will also wear scarlet and violet, the Shiloh colour. And his bride will also be decked in her jewels and adornments.

Don’t get caught up in the symbols, because Lucifer’s emblems are only those he usurped from God. And his ownership of them is temporary. I still find it funny both Bill and Hillary wearing their violet as if they were royalty on 2016 election night.

------------
"Don’t get caught up "
I don't get caught up, I just read what it says.
And I don't think that the choice of words that are used
are there - just to be there and mean nothing.
If you don't know the evils of the Catholic church,
then you need to start looking into it.
Starting with this.
The church believes this to be the Catholic church.

this below was taken from accepted doctrines of the church,
speaking of the The great and abominable church
"He saw that this church took away from the gospel of the Lamb many covenants and many plain and precious parts; that it perverted the right ways of the Lord; that it deleted many teachings from the Bible; that it was 'the mother of harlots'; and finally that the Lord would again restore the gospel of salvation. (1 Ne. 13:24-42.)
(see below Bruce R. McConkie)


1 Ne 13:5 The great and abominable church

Bruce R. McConkie

"Nephi saw the 'church which is most abominable above all other churches' in vision. He 'saw the devil that he was the foundation of it'; and also the murders, wealth, harlotry, persecutions, and evil desires that are part of this organization (1 Ne 13:1-10)

"He saw that this church took away from the gospel of the Lamb many covenants and many plain and precious parts; that it perverted the right ways of the Lord; that it deleted many teachings from the Bible; that it was 'the mother of harlots'; and finally that the Lord would again restore the gospel of salvation. (1 Ne. 13:24-42.)

"Similar visions were given to John as recorded in the 17th and 18th chapters of Revelation. He saw this evil church as a whole ruling over peoples, multitudes, nations and tongues; as being full of blasphemy abominations, filthiness, and fornication; as having the name, 'MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH'; as drunken with the blood of the saints; as revelling in wealth and the delicacies of the earth; as making merchandise of all costly items and of 'slaves, and souls of men.' And then John, as did Nephi, saw the fall and utter destruction of this great church whose foundation is the devil.

"In this world of carnality and sensuousness, the great and abominable church will continue its destructive course. But there will be an eventual future day when evil shall end, 'and the great and abominable church, which is the whore of all the earth, shall be cast down by devouring fire.' (D. & C. 29:21; Ezek. 38; 39; 1 Ne. 22:23; Rev. 18.) Before that day, however, desolations will sweep through the earth and the various branches of the great and abominable church 'shall war among themselves, and the sword of their own hands shall fall upon their own heads, and they shall be drunken with their own blood.' (1 Ne. 22:13-14; 14:3.)" (Mormon Doctrine, pp.138-9)

1 Nephi 13:8 Behold the gold, and the silver… and the harlots, are the desires of this great and abominable church

In 1510, Martin Luther visited Rome. As a German monk, he was associated with a group of pious priests who took their stewardship seriously. What he saw in Rome shocked him:

“The abysmal ignorance, frivolity, and levity of the Italian priests stupefied him. They… were flippantly unbelieving and would address the sacrament saying, ‘Bread art thou and bread thou wilt remain, and wine art thou and wine thou wilt remain.’ (The doctrine at the time was that the bread and wine actually turned into the body and blood of Christ by a process called transubstantiation. The priests were mocking this doctrine) To a devout believer from the unsophisticated Northland such disclosures were truly shocking...

[Hearing] of the immorality of the Roman clergy… [Luther wondered] if there were a hell Rome was built upon it… the district of ill fame was frequented by ecclesiastics (priests). He heard there were those who considered themselves virtuous because they confined themselves to women.” (RH Bainton, Here I Stand: A Life of Martin Luther, [Peabody Mass., Hendrickson Publishers, 1950], p. 31)

[Bronco73idi]

this is what John saw.

Do you believe the devil and his woman are liars?

The true messiah will also wear scarlet and violet, the Shiloh colour. And his bride will also be decked in her jewels and adornments.

Don’t get caught up in the symbols, because Lucifer’s emblems are only those he usurped from God. And his ownership of them is temporary. I still find it funny both Bill and Hillary wearing their violet as if they were royalty on 2016 election night.

------------
"Don’t get caught up "
I don't get caught up, I just read what it says.
And I don't think that the choice of words that are used
are there - just to be there and mean nothing.
If you don't know the evils of the Catholic church,
then you need to start looking into it.
Starting with this.
The church believes this to be the Catholic church.

this below was taken from accepted doctrines of the church,
speaking of the The great and abominable church
"He saw that this church took away from the gospel of the Lamb many covenants and many plain and precious parts; that it perverted the right ways of the Lord; that it deleted many teachings from the Bible; that it was 'the mother of harlots'; and finally that the Lord would again restore the gospel of salvation. (1 Ne. 13:24-42.)
(see below Bruce R. McConkie)


1 Ne 13:5 The great and abominable church

Bruce R. McConkie

"Nephi saw the 'church which is most abominable above all other churches' in vision. He 'saw the devil that he was the foundation of it'; and also the murders, wealth, harlotry, persecutions, and evil desires that are part of this organization (1 Ne 13:1-10)

"He saw that this church took away from the gospel of the Lamb many covenants and many plain and precious parts; that it perverted the right ways of the Lord; that it deleted many teachings from the Bible; that it was 'the mother of harlots'; and finally that the Lord would again restore the gospel of salvation. (1 Ne. 13:24-42.)

"Similar visions were given to John as recorded in the 17th and 18th chapters of Revelation. He saw this evil church as a whole ruling over peoples, multitudes, nations and tongues; as being full of blasphemy abominations, filthiness, and fornication; as having the name, 'MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH'; as drunken with the blood of the saints; as revelling in wealth and the delicacies of the earth; as making merchandise of all costly items and of 'slaves, and souls of men.' And then John, as did Nephi, saw the fall and utter destruction of this great church whose foundation is the devil.

"In this world of carnality and sensuousness, the great and abominable church will continue its destructive course. But there will be an eventual future day when evil shall end, 'and the great and abominable church, which is the whore of all the earth, shall be cast down by devouring fire.' (D. & C. 29:21; Ezek. 38; 39; 1 Ne. 22:23; Rev. 18.) Before that day, however, desolations will sweep through the earth and the various branches of the great and abominable church 'shall war among themselves, and the sword of their own hands shall fall upon their own heads, and they shall be drunken with their own blood.' (1 Ne. 22:13-14; 14:3.)" (Mormon Doctrine, pp.138-9)

1 Nephi 13:8 Behold the gold, and the silver… and the harlots, are the desires of this great and abominable church

In 1510, Martin Luther visited Rome. As a German monk, he was associated with a group of pious priests who took their stewardship seriously. What he saw in Rome shocked him:

“The abysmal ignorance, frivolity, and levity of the Italian priests stupefied him. They… were flippantly unbelieving and would address the sacrament saying, ‘Bread art thou and bread thou wilt remain, and wine art thou and wine thou wilt remain.’ (The doctrine at the time was that the bread and wine actually turned into the body and blood of Christ by a process called transubstantiation. The priests were mocking this doctrine) To a devout believer from the unsophisticated Northland such disclosures were truly shocking...

[Hearing] of the immorality of the Roman clergy… [Luther wondered] if there were a hell Rome was built upon it… the district of ill fame was frequented by ecclesiastics (priests). He heard there were those who considered themselves virtuous because they confined themselves to women.” (RH Bainton, Here I Stand: A Life of Martin Luther, [Peabody Mass., Hendrickson Publishers, 1950], p. 31)

I do know the evils of both the Catholic and Muslims. They are both rooted in evil and flourished during the 1260 years of our Heavenly Father’s words being taken off this rock of dust.

This is my point, you read to reply, not to understand. Meaning you don’t care about anyone else’s opinion but your own, we are all drunken ephraimites that you want to talk and walk over.

[LdsMarco]

Just because the Church is trying to work together with other Christian churches to keep religious freedom, doesn't mean we are working with the great abominable church. Too many members (or in this case, I'm not sure if you are one because you sound apostate like [no offense]) continue to think the whore of Babylon is a specific church. It is not. Yes, churches/members of any church are mixed into that great church (tares), but it doesn't mean it's a specific Christian church. It is the prostituted government.

Second, I'm tired of so-called members sounding a lot more like Pharisees nowadays. Awaken members are more like Pharisees to me.

Third, using those quotes of Joseph Smith to justify the way you think is using them in a very wrong way. It is my recommendation to follow the living prophet. Unless you want to fall away.

[Zathura]

Just because the Church is trying to work together with other Christian churches to keep religious freedom, doesn't mean we are working with the great abominable church. Too many members (or in this case, I'm not sure if you are one because you sound apostate like [no offense]) continue to think the whore of Babylon is a specific church. It is not. Yes, churches/members of any church are mixed into that great church (tares), but it doesn't mean it's a specific Christian church. It is the prostituted government.

Second, I'm tired of so-called members sounding a lot more like Pharisees nowadays. Awaken members are more like Pharisees to me.

Third, using those quotes of Joseph Smith to justify the way you think is using them in a very wrong way. It is my recommendation to follow the living prophet. Unless you want to fall away.

How Ironic. This post sounds Pharisaical.

[LdsMarco]

Just because the Church is trying to work together with other Christian churches to keep religious freedom, doesn't mean we are working with the great abominable church. Too many members (or in this case, I'm not sure if you are one because you sound apostate like [no offense]) continue to think the whore of Babylon is a specific church. It is not. Yes, churches/members of any church are mixed into that great church (tares), but it doesn't mean it's a specific Christian church. It is the prostituted government.

Second, I'm tired of so-called members sounding a lot more like Pharisees nowadays. Awaken members are more like Pharisees to me.

Third, using those quotes of Joseph Smith to justify the way you think is using them in a very wrong way. It is my recommendation to follow the living prophet. Unless you want to fall away.

How Ironic. This post sounds Pharisaical.

Take it as you want. I'm not here to make friends. Truth is truth

[I AM]

Orson Pratt, in his 1853-1854 periodical The Seer, claimed that the founder of the Roman Catholic Church was “the Devil, through the medium of Apostates, who subverted the whole order of God” and that they derived their “authority from the Devil....”
“The Roman Catholic, Greek, and Protestant church, is the great corrupt, ecclesiastical power, represented by great Babylon” (Orson Pratt, Writings of an Apostle, Orson Pratt, n. 6, 84).

Bruce R. McConkie is credited with promoting the idea within the modern church that the "great and abominable church" was in fact the Roman Catholic Church."

"It is also to the Book of Mormon to which we turn for the plainest description of the Catholic Church as the great and abominable church. Nephi saw this ‘church which is the most abominable above all other churches’ in vision. He ‘saw the devil that he was the foundation of it’ and also the murders, wealth, harlotry, persecutions, and evil desires that historically have been a part of this satanic organization."

Under the heading, “Church of the Devil,” Apostle Bruce R. McConkie lists:] “The Roman Catholic Church specifically—singled out, set apart, described, and designated as being ‘most abominable above all other churches’ (I Ne. 13:5)” (Mormon Doctrine, 1958, 129).

Believers in the doctrines of modern Christendom will reap damnation to their souls (Morm. 8; Moro. 8)” (Mormon Doctrine, 1966, Bruce R. McConkie, 177).

[Zathura]

Just because the Church is trying to work together with other Christian churches to keep religious freedom, doesn't mean we are working with the great abominable church. Too many members (or in this case, I'm not sure if you are one because you sound apostate like [no offense]) continue to think the whore of Babylon is a specific church. It is not. Yes, churches/members of any church are mixed into that great church (tares), but it doesn't mean it's a specific Christian church. It is the prostituted government.

Second, I'm tired of so-called members sounding a lot more like Pharisees nowadays. Awaken members are more like Pharisees to me.

Third, using those quotes of Joseph Smith to justify the way you think is using them in a very wrong way. It is my recommendation to follow the living prophet. Unless you want to fall away.

How Ironic. This post sounds Pharisaical.

Take it as you want. I'm not here to make friends. Truth is truth

Ah well dang. That's all I wanted out of this.