"we talk of Christ"

[I AM]

You know I find it sad in this forum, and especially among all those members everywhere who profess to be
members of God's one and only true church, and yet this phrase "we talk of Christ"
is something we don't do very much.
"And we talk of Christ, we rejoice in Christ,
we preach of Christ, we prophesy of Christ,
and we write according to our prophecies,
that our children may know to what source
they may look for a remission of their sins."
2 Nephi 25:26

I see threads like - "Someone on LDSFF who has made a difference in my life ...."
What about "How Jesus Christ has made a difference in my life ...."
WHERE ARE all those who -
"talk of Christ, rejoice in Christ,
preach of Christ, prophesy of Christ ?
How many times in this forum do you see the word (name) "Jesus Christ" or the Lord posted.
Who posts it the most ?
If we aren't doing this - WHY aren't we doing this ?
Are we really putting Christ first and testifying of Him ?
And are we remembering this -
"I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me"
Philippians 4:13

"when my God became my strength—"
Isaiah 49:5

12 Yea, I know that I am nothing; as to my strength I am weak; therefore I will not boast of myself, but I will boast of my God, for in his strength
I can do all things; yea, behold, many mighty miracles we have wrought in this land, for which we will praise his name forever.
Alma 26:12

"for without me ye can do nothing"
John 15

"I am the way, the truth, and the life:
no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
John 14:6

Feast upon the word of Christ


2 Nephi 31:20
"Wherefore, ye must press forward with a steadfastness in Christ,
having a perfect brightness of hope, and a love of God and of all men.
Wherefore, if ye shall press forward, feasting upon the word of Christ,
and endure to the end, behold, thus saith the Father:
Ye shall have eternal life."

2 Nephi 32
3 "Angels speak by the power of the Holy Ghost; wherefore, they speak the words of Christ. Wherefore, I said unto you, feast upon the words of Christ; for behold, the words of Christ will tell you all things what ye should do."

“Behold, I stand at the door, and knock:
if any man hear my voice, and open the door,
I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.”
Revelation 3:20

[Dave62]

I'm with you here, I AM. I have been working under assignment doing the Adiction Recovery Program in my local area. I have learnt that there is nothing at all that cannot be solved with "...faith in the Lord Jesus Christ..." If we as LDS are not completely and steadfastly centred on Christ we are no more true that any other Christian church. If anything, without the Saviour we become a creepy cult.

[Rand]

You know I find it sad in this forum, and especially among all those members everywhere who profess to be
members of God's one and only true church, and yet this phrase "we talk of Christ"
is something we don't do very much.
"And we talk of Christ, we rejoice in Christ,
we preach of Christ, we prophesy of Christ,
and we write according to our prophecies,
that our children may know to what source
they may look for a remission of their sins."
2 Nephi 25:26

I see threads like - "Someone on LDSFF who has made a difference in my life ...."
What about "How Jesus Christ has made a difference in my life ...."
WHERE ARE all those who -
"talk of Christ, rejoice in Christ,
preach of Christ, prophesy of Christ ?
How many times in this forum do you see the word (name) "Jesus Christ" or the Lord posted.
Who posts it the most ?
If we aren't doing this - WHY aren't we doing this ?
Are we really putting Christ first and testifying of Him ?
And are we remembering this -
"I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me"
Philippians 4:13

"when my God became my strength—"
Isaiah 49:5

12 Yea, I know that I am nothing; as to my strength I am weak; therefore I will not boast of myself, but I will boast of my God, for in his strength
I can do all things; yea, behold, many mighty miracles we have wrought in this land, for which we will praise his name forever.
Alma 26:12

"for without me ye can do nothing"
John 15

"I am the way, the truth, and the life:
no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
John 14:6

Feast upon the word of Christ


2 Nephi 31:20
"Wherefore, ye must press forward with a steadfastness in Christ,
having a perfect brightness of hope, and a love of God and of all men.
Wherefore, if ye shall press forward, feasting upon the word of Christ,
and endure to the end, behold, thus saith the Father:
Ye shall have eternal life."

2 Nephi 32
3 "Angels speak by the power of the Holy Ghost; wherefore, they speak the words of Christ. Wherefore, I said unto you, feast upon the words of Christ; for behold, the words of Christ will tell you all things what ye should do."

“Behold, I stand at the door, and knock:
if any man hear my voice, and open the door,
I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.”
Revelation 3:20

I am in agreement with this post completely, except you seem to pose almost all of your threads as a condemnation. If this were an admonition, and encouragement, a plea, a passionate expression instead of a condemnation, it would be so much more worthwhile.
I am sure I know how you will respond to this. I understand, it still would be so much more effective if it were not begun with: "all those members everywhere who profess to be
members of God's one and only true church, and yet this phrase "we talk of Christ"
is something we don't do very much."
If you did not use such all encompassing words like "all", and "Everywhere" you would have more credibility. But, to me at least, your message gets lost in the misused absolutes. As a people, we can do better. But, to condemn everyone is not within your stewardship to do so, and the fact that you assume that stewardship is an instant loss of credibility.
With that said, and with that expressed exception, good message. Just my opinion.

[I AM]

I was also sure and know how some would respond to this.
I'm sorry If YOU find these things to be condemning;
and you don't like the way I word things, but maybe it's because
it is simply true.
Interesting how you start your comment.
"I am in agreement with this post completely, except "

Is it "much more effective" how the church is with the LGBT'S,
or say it how it really is.
When something is not right, we have to stand up, and say so;
or why should we think we need to change.
I think the "credibility" really lies in what my OP is really all about
and in these scriptures;
and has NOTHING to do with me at all.
I don't think it's "condemning everyone" just to say or ask
if we are doing what the scriptures say we should be doing.

[mahalanobis]

You know I find it sad in this forum, and especially among all those members everywhere who profess to be
members of God's one and only true church, and yet this phrase "we talk of Christ"
is something we don't do very much.

Is this commentary about the forum or general church membership? It sounds like both. That varies greatly based on where in the world, or what state or city or stake or ward.

One of my pet peeves is when people make comments in church that start with "sometimes we as a church do things like XYZ way or think ABC, but what we really need to do is...". --- I'm doing this a little right now because I've heard a ton of commentary like this in the last 2 wards I've been in. I don't like it because it implies that the person commenting knows so much.

I prefer that people express their thoughts based on their personal experience... you know, like a witness of what they've experienced, telling "their side of the story", which is also sometimes called a testimony.

[I AM]

incredible
my post is what it is, and will stay that way.
If you don't like it - too bad.
I could really care less who likes it or not.

My OP and most of my post are special scriptures
taking about Christ, and these are the comments I get.
like I said - incredible !
I really have to wonder sometimes what spirit leads
those that would have something negative to say
about such great words in these scriptures
that give an example for us to follow,
that we as a church don't seem to be following.

[mahalanobis]

For me it was the first sentence of your OP. It didn't come across to me as very sincere. My apologies if I was misinterpreting the tone. I have no qualms with the scriptures or the message of focusing on Christ. On those things we are certainly in agreement.

[I AM]

For me it was the first sentence of your OP. It didn't come across to me as very sincere. My apologies if I was misinterpreting the tone. I have no qualms with the scriptures or the message of focusing on Christ. On those things we are certainly in agreement.

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a ... thanks Dad.
you don't sound sincere at all to me;
and I really don't need you to be in agreement with me.
Do I have your permission now to keep my post the way it is ? lol
and you didn't misinterpret the tone.

[mahalanobis]

For me it was the first sentence of your OP. It didn't come across to me as very sincere. My apologies if I was misinterpreting the tone. I have no qualms with the scriptures or the message of focusing on Christ. On those things we are certainly in agreement.

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a ... thanks Dad.
you don't sound sincere at all to me;
and I really don't need you to be in agreement with me.
Do I have your permission now to keep my post the way it is ? lol
and you didn't misinterpret the tone.

Advice. Just say "apology accepted".

-Dad

[eddie]

incredible
my post is what it is, and will stay that way.
If you don't like it - too bad.
I could really care less who likes it or not.

My OP and most of my post are special scriptures
taking about Christ, and these are the comments I get.
like I said - incredible !
I really have to wonder sometimes what spirit leads
those that would have something negative to say
about such great words in these scriptures
that give an example for us to follow,
that we as a church don't seem to be following.

Speaking of negative! Its a though you throw a blanket over everyone, work more on being positive because you do care.

[BeNotDeceived]

You Catch More Flys with Honey Than You Do With Vinegar ... Ben Franklin ...


There’s a typo

[ThePowerofEternity111]

33Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths: 34But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne: 35Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King. 36Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black. 37But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

This was said by the Lord because it is known mankind can not keep their covenants and oaths, and have already broken them and thus moment they take it, it is broken and they became bound to the consequences once testified of them, thus in wisdom God told mankind make no oaths before Heaven that ye are not held to account in doing so. For man can not abide things of higher law at this time and should in wisdom not be making oaths to follow it.

The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.

6 Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.

This is the consequence that is coming upon the whole world because of the saints breaking the covenants and transgressing, it was always known and if the Father allows things to occur even after it is known Zion failed to be established it is with a higher understanding and eternal view, some in their pride had to see the underworlds to learn they couldn't abide the higher kingdoms. Joseph Smith knew this but did not speak it, it is why he once said there is things he knows people would kill him if knew, understand saints still get saved but many went through much sorrows and pains, before it came to be.

The true covenant you all took in temple was the law of consecration and united order, but the church failed to establish the way of Zion and therefore there was no means for saints to fulfill their oaths to God, and so adversary gained power. Your leaders though may have goodness to them have also throughout the generation said at times false prophecy as well, the future wont occur as people expect and shall be more shocking than anyone imagined. As Brigham young said once it can be suffered the adversary gives revelation if the people transgress against their Lord. All have reason to repent including the leaders for all has fallen short and become blinded by Babylon, and Mammon has a hold upon them. It is a offense to me and my Father even to same degree that occurred when the pharisees aloud money exchange's and markets near my Fathers temple in the past. For ye build temples of Mammon 'Shopping Malls' now and blindly have built up the adversary kingdom in various ways in choices that have been made throughout the generations, and I have taken my spirit from the church already that the false Holy Ghost shall blind many, but to the truly meek and humble they shall discern and find Zion when it comes.

Your mistakes saints was your overly focus on your leaders and Book of Mormon ignoring the Sons words in the bible, specially the new testament, for much wisdom in how to overcome the world was present and ye were meant to individually seek diligently. Zion will still come but many saints wont see it, many will die in the coming times and many will awaken in underworlds, but a few will be spared it and enter paradise if they meet requirements of the laws. Still in the day of redemption those saints who did fall will be lifted out of the buffering of Satan and still be present to learn in Millennial. If Zion had of been established as once hoped for, the curse of Isaiah would have been spared the world. Complacency comes because of pride, and when they are in such pride they lack comprehension of light to see their own state, the adversary saw no reason to bring tribulation or persecution upon the church once it had already fallen away from the original setup. In his view he has won, but it was also aloud to occur this way the Fathers wisdom is greater than mankind and the devils, the ending shall be shocking to all. The best eternal outcome shall come forth.

Your call to repent should not be temples, your overly focus on your exaltation's means your not even worthy of the Celestial kingdom, for it is the humble and meek that is worthy not those who are only doing ordinances and covenants to gain power as gods, it was those who only sought to be a servant are they wont be abased. It doesn't matter if your the newest member of the church or someone who been in it your entire life and become a apostle, ye have all transgressed and must repent and humble yourselves for adoption. I am going to allow the adversary to break my house up, to scatter the people and bring tribulation upon it, I am going to let him utterly make desolate my house, then I will bring forth my Mighty and Strong One of prophecy to build Zion and those truly righteous children who endure shall be they who will be gathered unto it, worthy of mine Kingdom to come. Unwise are they to make oaths they can't keep. They who endure shall I adopt and they shall become my children unto my Father, these shall be of my first fruits and shall aid in the foundation of the church of the firstborn.

Now these words will disturb some and others will be in denial, for people have become grossly blinded in darkness, that they ignore my very words in their scriptures and justify themselves in their selfish life, for even this ministry work is no different to what atheist humanitarian groups do or other Christians, it is so little to what was expected of a saint of Zion. Now what I have spoken is the truth and let each be measured and weigh by their hearts, for behold my name is in vain upon my own house for it is become defiled before me and thus I shall allow it to be utterly desolated and the saints to even be overcome by the adversary.

7And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9If any man have an ear, let him hear. 10He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

He who endures unto end shall be those first saved, but those who fall I will still come for another time. Ye must find me in spirit and align before it is too late, only those who humble themselves and recognize their own unworthiness and nothingness without the Son, and pour a broken heart and contrite spirit can find mine spirit, understand this is not what I wanted and mankind was offered a timeline which would have spared the curse, but their hardened hearts and stiff necks blinded them from the Zion on offer and thus they became a church of the world as the rest, and the Heavens now work with what is and trying to salvage what can before the day of burning.

All righteous of heart shall be my church and through them I shall establish my Zion and my City. And they must give up this world this kingdom of the beast and it mark. Thus saith the Lord of hosts.

[ThePowerofEternity111]

For me it was the first sentence of your OP. It didn't come across to me as very sincere. My apologies if I was misinterpreting the tone. I have no qualms with the scriptures or the message of focusing on Christ. On those things we are certainly in agreement.

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a ... thanks Dad.
you don't sound sincere at all to me;
and I really don't need you to be in agreement with me.
Do I have your permission now to keep my post the way it is ? lol
and you didn't misinterpret the tone.

If you let your emotions effect you to much, ye can present it as iniquity. Ye must understand it not God want the saints are condemned, even if the scriptures say it happened, ye must reveal it to them in manner those meant to hear will, accept that many will ignore it and even judge it has been this way in all generations. It is hard for people to believe they could have made mistakes, the hardest thing for people is to achieve proper humility and admit mistakes. Ye must change how you are doing things or it will work against you I AM.

[I AM]

33Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths: 34But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne: 35Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King. 36Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black. 37But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

This was said by the Lord because it is known mankind can not keep their covenants and oaths, and have already broken them and thus moment they take it, it is broken and they became bound to the consequences once testified of them, thus in wisdom God told mankind make no oaths before Heaven that ye are not held to account in doing so. For man can not abide things of higher law at this time and should in wisdom not be making oaths to follow it.

The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant.

6 Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.

This is the consequence that is coming upon the whole world because of the saints breaking the covenants and transgressing, it was always known and if the Father allows things to occur even after it is known Zion failed to be established it is with a higher understanding and eternal view, some in their pride had to see the underworlds to learn they couldn't abide the higher kingdoms. Joseph Smith knew this but did not speak it, it is why he once said there is things he knows people would kill him if knew, understand saints still get saved but many went through much sorrows and pains, before it came to be.

The true covenant you all took in temple was the law of consecration and united order, but the church failed to establish the way of Zion and therefore there was no means for saints to fulfill their oaths to God, and so adversary gained power. Your leaders though may have goodness to them have also throughout the generation said at times false prophecy as well, the future wont occur as people expect and shall be more shocking than anyone imagined. As Brigham young said once it can be suffered the adversary gives revelation if the people transgress against their Lord. All have reason to repent including the leaders for all has fallen short and become blinded by Babylon, and Mammon has a hold upon them. It is a offense to me and my Father even to same degree that occurred when the pharisees aloud money exchange's and markets near my Fathers temple in the past. For ye build temples of Mammon 'Shopping Malls' now and blindly have built up the adversary kingdom in various ways in choices that have been made throughout the generations, and I have taken my spirit from the church already that the false Holy Ghost shall blind many, but to the truly meek and humble they shall discern and find Zion when it comes.

Your mistakes saints was your overly focus on your leaders and Book of Mormon ignoring the Sons words in the bible, specially the new testament, for much wisdom in how to overcome the world was present and ye were meant to individually seek diligently. Zion will still come but many saints wont see it, many will die in the coming times and many will awaken in underworlds, but a few will be spared it and enter paradise if they meet requirements of the laws. Still in the day of redemption those saints who did fall will be lifted out of the buffering of Satan and still be present to learn in Millennial. If Zion had of been established as once hoped for, the curse of Isaiah would have been spared the world. Complacency comes because of pride, and when they are in such pride they lack comprehension of light to see their own state, the adversary saw no reason to bring tribulation or persecution upon the church once it had already fallen away from the original setup. In his view he has won, but it was also aloud to occur this way the Fathers wisdom is greater than mankind and the devils, the ending shall be shocking to all. The best eternal outcome shall come forth.

Your call to repent should not be temples, your overly focus on your exaltation's means your not even worthy of the Celestial kingdom, for it is the humble and meek that is worthy not those who are only doing ordinances and covenants to gain power as gods, it was those who only sought to be a servant are they wont be abased. It doesn't matter if your the newest member of the church or someone who been in it your entire life and become a apostle, ye have all transgressed and must repent and humble yourselves for adoption. I am going to allow the adversary to break my house up, to scatter the people and bring tribulation upon it, I am going to let him utterly make desolate my house, then I will bring forth my Mighty and Strong One of prophecy to build Zion and those truly righteous children who endure shall be they who will be gathered unto it, worthy of mine Kingdom to come. Unwise are they to make oaths they can't keep. They who endure shall I adopt and they shall become my children unto my Father, these shall be of my first fruits and shall aid in the foundation of the church of the firstborn.

Now these words will disturb some and others will be in denial, for people have become grossly blinded in darkness, that they ignore my very words in their scriptures and justify themselves in their selfish life, for even this ministry work is no different to what atheist humanitarian groups do or other Christians, it is so little to what was expected of a saint of Zion. Now what I have spoken is the truth and let each be measured and weigh by their hearts, for behold my name is in vain upon my own house for it is become defiled before me and thus I shall allow it to be utterly desolated and the saints to even be overcome by the adversary.

7And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9If any man have an ear, let him hear. 10He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

He who endures unto end shall be those first saved, but those who fall I will still come for another time. Ye must find me in spirit and align before it is too late, only those who humble themselves and recognize their own unworthiness and nothingness without the Son, and pour a broken heart and contrite spirit can find mine spirit, understand this is not what I wanted and mankind was offered a timeline which would have spared the curse, but their hardened hearts and stiff necks blinded them from the Zion on offer and thus they became a church of the world as the rest, and the Heavens now work with what is and trying to salvage what can before the day of burning.

All righteous of heart shall be my church and through them I shall establish my Zion and my City. And they must give up this world this kingdom of the beast and it mark. Thus saith the Lord of hosts.

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Amen.

21 Therefore, verily, thus saith the Lord, let Zion rejoice,
for this is Zion—the pure in heart;
therefore, let Zion rejoice, while all the wicked shall mourn.
D&C 97

[Rand]

For me it was the first sentence of your OP. It didn't come across to me as very sincere. My apologies if I was misinterpreting the tone. I have no qualms with the scriptures or the message of focusing on Christ. On those things we are certainly in agreement.

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a ... thanks Dad.
you don't sound sincere at all to me;
and I really don't need you to be in agreement with me.
Do I have your permission now to keep my post the way it is ? lol
and you didn't misinterpret the tone.

Advice. Just say "apology accepted".

-Dad

Good message, good try!