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True prophets call people to repent.

at this time many that love and serve the Lord
and receive His word are calling people to repent
and standing for what's right,
and not just being passive about everything.
Worldly philosophies have rooted themselves in the decisions made by church leaders and are growing ever more compatible with the teachings of the church.
These decisions (not revelations) and changes the church has made over the years - are the result of giving into the pressures of Babylon.
In these modern times, instead of still being the peculiar people that we once were before, the church changes according to the whims of society.
“A ‘true’ church doesn’t change its doctrines at the whims of society and the pressures of ever-changing and evolving morals and values.
God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow, and so should His church be, and to change would be to cave in on what it stands for.”

We are no longer a "peculiar people".
We as a church and a people have tried to "fit in" to the world
and have made great progress in acquiring wealth and status.

"And when the spirit of persecution, the spirit of hatred, of wrath, and malice ceases in the world against this people, it will be the time that this people have apostatized and joined hands with the wicked,
and never until then; which I pray may never come."
Brigham Young, May 31, 1857, JD 4:327.

"He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it.
He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it."
Martin Luther King, Jr.

The prophet bluntly called for the saints to repent this last priesthood session. I know what you want, it’s what we all want...but maybe this is what’s partly meant by the “silence” in heaven. Maybe the times of the gentiles are fulfilled and it’s too late for our country??

I’ve tested all of our prophet’s challenges (daily repentance, focus on personal revelation, etc..), and I have never been more converted to the Lord. While you may not agree, I believe there is wisdom in how our true prophet is leading the church.

I want justice and judgement called down upon the wicked in a glorious and miraculous way...but take a step back and look at each member of our fallen country like a father looks at his son. God loves the sinner too and He will ensure a maximal return on His holy investment in this Earth. His ways are not ours.

I respect your fervor, but I see things a little different.

Doc wrote: ↑July 1st, 2019, 8:44 am The prophet bluntly called for the saints to repent this last priesthood session. I know what you want, it’s what we all want...but maybe this is what’s partly meant by the “silence” in heaven. Maybe the times of the gentiles are fulfilled and it’s too late for our country??

I have pondered and speculated for years what the silence in heaven might be, but I have never considered this. There is a stark contrast between the way things have been the last 10-15 years from the pulpit, and the calls to repentance we see in the scriptures, or Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, or even Spencer W. Kimball. I'm going to pray and ponder this. Thanks Doc!

Doc wrote: ↑July 1st, 2019, 8:44 am The prophet bluntly called for the saints to repent this last priesthood session. I know what you want, it’s what we all want...but maybe this is what’s partly meant by the “silence” in heaven. Maybe the times of the gentiles are fulfilled and it’s too late for our country??

I’ve tested all of our prophet’s challenges (daily repentance, focus on personal revelation, etc..), and I have never been more converted to the Lord. While you may not agree, I believe there is wisdom in how our true prophet is leading the church.

I want justice and judgement called down upon the wicked in a glorious and miraculous way...but take a step back and look at each member of our fallen country like a father looks at his son. God loves the sinner too and He will ensure a maximal return on His holy investment in this Earth. His ways are not ours.

I respect your fervor, but I see things a little different.

I agree with testing President Nelson's words concerning repentance, trying to live worthy to acquire priesthood power, etc. I feel a stronger bond to President Nelson than I have to any other prophet, and I've loved and admired them all. In my opinion, anyone who can openly criticize a man so clearly inspired and concerned with preparing the earth for the second coming is far off the path. That's never been more true than in the case of the poster of this pathetic diatribe against a prophet of God, who daily substitutes his uninspired, unintelligent ramblings over the wisdom of a prophet, seer, and revelator.

I've heard calls to repentance constantly in almost every interaction I can recall in my almost 32 years of membership. Calling to repentance isn't just one thing, this harping about all the bad people are doing and asking them to change, it is any kind of preaching that invites people to a change of mind and a fresh view about God, oneself, and the world.

The president of the church and the twelve apostles are sustained as prophets, seers, and revelators. They aren't "just" prophets, they are apostles and besides calling on people to repent they have a duty to be "forthtellers" continually putting forth God's word and keeping us on the old straight and narrow while offering guidance on how to navigate the changing times.

God doesn't change but we do. Just like a parent with a child, you change how you deal with a child based on their ability to receive the instructions you have. YOU are not changing, you are just incorporating a host of different ways of dealing with a child that IS changing.

Plus, God seems to let us have a go at figuring many things out on our own. He lets us make mistakes and try different things. Maybe certain things that have failed in the past would have worked if done right. But we failed and so God gives us an opportunity to course correct.

Otherwise, if God wanted a flawless people, he would have simply set it up 6000 years ago and squelched any attempt at corrupting his utopia. But he does allow corruption to happen and he does allow us to fail horribly.

Clearly, we've done things in the past that have worked, other things haven't. A lot of what we are doing today works great, other things don't. We are seeing many, many changes now that I think are very positive. I don't spend very much time at all grappling with what happens in Salt Lake. I've never lived there, I'm not on the inside, I don't have a clear view of things. God is in charge of that and if he wants to clean house that is up to him.

In my day to day, the Come Follow Me initiative has really blessed my immediate and extended family and I wasn't thrilled about it at first but I gave it a chance. The shorter meetings are great, focusing my home on being "church" has been huge for us. My fellowship with the saints is a blessing to me. My life is better because I am among the Saints and because I have the gospel. There are a billion things I could be critical of, but the net effect in spite of all I could complain about is a blessed life.

I just worry about what I have control over, those things that really matter. I leave the rest to God, he's the man with the plan.

5tev3 wrote: ↑July 1st, 2019, 10:19 am I've heard calls to repentance constantly in almost every interaction I can recall in my almost 32 years of membership. Calling to repentance isn't just one thing, this harping about all the bad people are doing and asking them to change, it is any kind of preaching that invites people to a change of mind and a fresh view about God, oneself, and the world.

The president of the church and the twelve apostles are sustained as prophets, seers, and revelators. They aren't "just" prophets, they are apostles and besides calling on people to repent they have a duty to be "forthtellers" continually putting forth God's word and keeping us on the old straight and narrow while offering guidance on how to navigate the changing times.

God doesn't change but we do. Just like a parent with a child, you change how you deal with a child based on their ability to receive the instructions you have. YOU are not changing, you are just incorporating a host of different ways of dealing with a child that IS changing.

Plus, God seems to let us have a go at figuring many things out on our own. He lets us make mistakes and try different things. Maybe certain things that have failed in the past would have worked if done right. But we failed and so God gives us an opportunity to course correct.

Otherwise, if God wanted a flawless people, he would have simply set it up 6000 years ago and squelched any attempt at corrupting his utopia. But he does allow corruption to happen and he does allow us to fail horribly.

Clearly, we've done things in the past that have worked, other things haven't. A lot of what we are doing today works great, other things don't. We are seeing many, many changes now that I think are very positive. I don't spend very much time at all grappling with what happens in Salt Lake. I've never lived there, I'm not on the inside, I don't have a clear view of things. God is in charge of that and if he wants to clean house that is up to him.

In my day to day, the Come Follow Me initiative has really blessed my immediate and extended family and I wasn't thrilled about it at first but I gave it a chance. The shorter meetings are great, focusing my home on being "church" has been huge for us. My fellowship with the saints is a blessing to me. My life is better because I am among the Saints and because I have the gospel. There are a billion things I could be critical of, but the net effect in spite of all I could complain about is a blessed life.

I just worry about what I have control over, those things that really matter. I leave the rest to God, he's the man with the plan.

Amen to that. Especially the part about the Come Follow Me program. I was just thinking today that "forcing" (for want of a better term) parents to actually teach their kids (a demonstration of President Nelson's "intentional parenting" philosophy) does wonders for families if it's actually executed properly. I value teaching my kids and bearing testimony to them of the truths of the Gospel. It brings us together. It's vital for children to hear Gospel truths directly from their parents. There is power in that program.

are the LGBT'S in the church doing something that is not accepted
and CAN NOT be accepted by God ?
Are church leaders calling them to repent ? NO !
so are church leaders accepted by God ? NO ! ! !

The" King of Assyria" will hurl "The Drunkards of Ephraim" to the ground !

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The " King of Assyria " !

The Lord uses him (His left hand)
against the church ( The Drunkards of Ephraim )

Isaiah 28

1 Woe to the garlands of glory
of the drunkards of Ephraim!
Their crowning splendor has become as fading wreaths
on the heads of the opulent overcome with wine.

Chapters 28-31, which form a didactic unit comprising Part VI of Isaiah’s Seven-Part Structure (Isaiah 28-31; 55-59),
each commence with a “woe” or covenant curse.
Ephraim’s chief sins of pride and drunkenness catch up with Israel’s birthright tribe in Jehovah’s Day of Judgment. Instead of acknowledging current inconvenient truths,
the people of Ephraim look back on past glories earned in more righteous times as if they still apply today. Ephraim’s self-deception, stemming from intoxication with “wine” at the highest levels, compounds the hard times that lie ahead (v 7; Isaiah 56:10-12).

"Isaiah's prophecy concerning Ephraim consists mostly of censure.
Ephraim lives in the past, acting as if former glories were current ones: “Woe to the garlands of glory of the drunkards of Ephraim!
Their crowning splendor has become as fading wreaths on the heads of the opulent overcome with wine” (Isaiah 28:1).
The king of Assyria—a new Flood (Isaiah 8:7–8)—will invade Ephraim’s land:

2.“My Lord has in store one mighty and strong: as a ravaging hailstorm sweeping down, or like an inundating deluge of mighty waters,
he will hurl them to the ground by his hand.

The proud garlands of the drunkards of Ephraim shall be trodden underfoot”(Isaiah 28:2–3)."


The imagery of “a ravaging hailstorm sweeping down” and of “an inundating deluge of mighty waters” identifies the king of Assyria/Babylon and his alliance of aggressor nations (Isaiah 8:7-8; 17:12; 18:2).
A second “one mighty and strong” in the Book of Isaiah is Jehovah’s servant, who makes an end of him at the last. Although Jehovah provides a refuge for a repentant remnant of his people against the storms of their enemies (Isaiah 4:6; 25:4-5; 57:13), he empowers the archtyrant—Jehovah’s (left) hand—over “the drunkards of Ephraim” to cast their illustriousness to the ground (cf. vv 1, 3).(Bold & Italics mine)


Isaiah 28

22 Jehovah will smite Egypt, and by smiting heal it: they will turn back to Jehovah, and he will respond to their pleas and heal them.

Although it is Jehovah who smites the wicked—both his own people and the nations (Isaiah 9:13; 27:7-8; 60:10)—he uses the king of Assyria/Babylon as his instrument (Isaiah 5:25; 10:20; 14:6).
Jehovah’s intent, however, is to cause the wicked to “turn back” to him—to “repent” and “return”—so that he may heal them. He heals them when at last they “see with their eyes and hear with their ears, understand in their heart, and repent, and are healed” (Isaiah 6:10; cf. 58:1-8).
Too often, however, only when wickedness results in covenant curses, does such healing occur (Isaiah 26:16; 27:4-5; 54:7-8).
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The Drunkards of Ephraim
Isaiah 28:

quote

"First we must note here that Isaiah is speaking to "the drunkards of Ephraim”.
There is no question that the Latter-Day Saints refer to themselves as “Ephraim” and there is no question that the Church teaches that the very next chapter of Isaiah (chapter 29) refers to our day or the coming forth of the Church, and the Book of Mormon. Therefore, it would seem quite logical that Isaiah 28 would also refer to Ephraim of our day."
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I find it absurd that some, (the "all is well in Zion" crowd )
can say that Isaiah 28 has nothing to do with the church,
while the church itself says that Isaiah 29 does. AMAZING !

"First we must note here that Isaiah is speaking to "the drunkards of Ephraim”.
There is no question that the Latter-Day Saints refer to themselves as “Ephraim” and there is no question that the Church teaches that the very next chapter of Isaiah (chapter 29) refers to our day or the coming forth of the Church, and the Book of Mormon. Therefore, it would seem quite logical that Isaiah 28 would also refer to Ephraim of our day."

taken from: LDS Seminary Student Study Guide

"Isaiah 29 is one place in the Bible where the Book of Mormon is referred to, even though it is not mentioned by name.
As you read this chapter, look for prophecies of the coming forth of the Book of Mormon and the impact this book will have on the world."

If you want a big wake up call please read and study the 28th chapter of Isaiah,
it will reveal that every word applies to our church in these days
and to no other people.
Isaiah cites that this people would be given "precept upon precept;
precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little and there a little."
These identical words, were used by the Prophet Joseph Smith among his closing instructions
to the latter day saints, warning us to go forward not backward. D.C.128:21-22 ; 2Nephi 28:30

Isaiah 28:13 "But the word of the Lord was unto them
precept upon precept, precept upon precept;
line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little;
that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken,
and snared, and taken."

We are still satisfied with the ABC portions of the gospel.
We will not accept the meat portions of the gospel.

Isaiah 28:
9 Whom shall he give instruction?
Whom shall he enlighten with revelation?
Weanlings weaned from milk,those just taken from the breast?
10 For it is but line upon line, line upon line,precept upon precept,
precept upon precept;a trifle here, a trifle there.

The prophets are speaking, are we listening?

The gospel plan each family should follow to prepare for eternal life and exaltation is outlined in the Church’s 1995 proclamation, “The Family: A Proclamation to the World.”3 Its declarations are, of course, visibly different from some current laws, practices, and advocacy of the world in which we live. In our day, the differences most evident are cohabitation without marriage, same-sex marriage, and the raising of children in such relationships. Those who do not believe in or aspire to exaltation and are most persuaded by the ways of the world consider this family proclamation as just a statement of policy that should be changed. In contrast, Latter-day Saints affirm that the family proclamation defines the kind of family relationships where the most important part of our eternal development can occur.

We have witnessed a rapid and increasing public acceptance of cohabitation without marriage and of same-sex marriage. The corresponding media advocacy, education, and even occupational requirements pose difficult challenges for Latter-day Saints. We must try to balance the competing demands of following the gospel law in our personal lives and teachings, even as we seek to show love for all.4 In doing so we sometimes face, but need not fear, what Isaiah called “the reproach of men.”

Converted Latter-day Saints believe that the family proclamation, issued nearly a quarter century ago and now translated into scores of languages, is the Lord’s reemphasis of the gospel truths we need to sustain us through current challenges to the family. Two examples are same-sex marriage and cohabitation without marriage. Just 20 years after the family proclamation, the United States Supreme Court authorized same-sex marriage, overturning thousands of years of marriage being limited to a man and a woman. The shocking percentage of United States children born to a mother not married to the father came more gradually: 5 percent in 1960,5 32 percent in 1995,6 and now 40 percent.7

The family proclamation begins by declaring “that marriage between a man and a woman is ordained of God and that the family is central to the Creator’s plan for the eternal destiny of His children.” It also affirms that “gender is an essential characteristic of individual premortal, mortal, and eternal identity and purpose.” It further declares “that God has commanded that the sacred powers of procreation are to be employed only between man and woman, lawfully wedded as husband and wife.”

Forty years ago, President Ezra Taft Benson taught that “every generation has its tests and its chance to stand and prove itself.”10 I believe our attitude toward and use of the family proclamation is one of those tests for this generation. I pray for all Latter-day Saints to stand firm in that test.

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/stu ... n?lang=eng

they speak many good things - but not from the Holy Ghost.
Where are all the revelations they have received and are speaking ? (prophesying)
There are none - because they don't receive revelation.

Isaiah 29

9 Procrastinate, and become bewildered;
preoccupy yourselves, until you cry for help.
Be drunk, but not with wine;
stagger, but not from strong drink.
10 Jehovah has poured out on you
a spirit of deep sleep:
he has shut your eyes, the prophets;
he has covered your heads, the seers.

Jehovah’s people who are here addressed are chronically delusional to the point of slumbering in a deep sleep. Having procrastinated the day of their salvation by buying into dreamlike deceptions and fantasies, they grow “bewildered” and “cry for help” when Jehovah’s judgments come upon them.
As a people’s leaders generally reflect the people themselves, so all are spiritually “drunk” and “stagger” instead of walking straight.
The prophets and seers—the people’s “eyes” and “heads”—can’t awaken them to spiritual realities because they themselves are intoxicated and asleep (Isaiah 28:7; 56:9-12).


Isaiah 5

13 Therefore are my people exiled without knowing why;their best men die of famine,
their masses perish with thirst.

Without divine revelation—without direct knowledge communicated from Israel’s God—his people remain vulnerable to the tide of world events that determines their fate.
Instead, they could have determined their own fate (Isaiah 8:13-15; 28:7-13). The word “knowledge” (da‘at)—a covenant term—further signifies that his people no longer know their God. They may know about him; but they don’t know him in the way that he manifests himself personally to his elect (Isaiah 19:21; 52:6). If they did, they would not now perish nor be taken captive by their enemies (Isaiah 10:3-4; 14:16-17).


Isaiah cites that this people would be given "precept upon precept;
precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little and there a little."
These identical words, were used by the Prophet Joseph Smith among his closing instructions
to the latter day saints, warning us to go forward not backward. D.C.128:21-22 ; 2Nephi 28:30

Isaiah 28:13 "But the word of the Lord was unto them
precept upon precept, precept upon precept;
line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little;
that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken,
and snared, and taken."

Instead of receiving a greater portion of the “word of Jehovah” through divine revelation, the people of Ephraim remain ensconced in its lesser version as that is all they know.
The end result is their ruination: “Sanctify Jehovah of Hosts, making him your fear, him your awe. And [to you] he will be a sanctuary, but to the two houses of Israel a stumbling block or obstructing rock, and a snare, catching unawares the inhabitants of Jerusalem. Many will stumble into them, and when they fall shall be broken, and when they become ensnared shall be taken captive” (Isaiah 8:13-15; cf. 5:13; 42:18-25).

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http://www.mormonthink.com/prophetsweb.htm

http://www.mormonthink.com/blackweb.htm

http://www.mormonthink.com/joseph-smith-polygamy.htm

http://www.mormonthink.com/lying.htm

I AM wrote: ↑July 1st, 2019, 6:18 pm they speak many good things - but not from the Holy Ghost.

Our Savior and Redeemer, Jesus Christ, will perform some of His mightiest works between now and when He comes again. We will see miraculous indications that God the Father and His Son, Jesus Christ, preside over this Church in majesty and glory. But in coming days, it will not be possible to survive spiritually without the guiding, directing, comforting, and constant influence of the Holy Ghost.

I felt the power of the Holy Ghost burn within me when I heard this for the first time. I feel it now. It's prophecy. So .. you are dead wrong in just about every which way possible here.

Thanks Alaris
but I think this applies to you.
“People say they love truth, but in reality they want to believe that which they love is true.”

And even though this (that you quoted) is not from the Holy Ghost but is true and I agree with this part -
"Our Savior and Redeemer, Jesus Christ, ***(through His servant) will perform some of His mightiest works between now and when He comes again.
But in coming days, it will not be possible to survive spiritually without the guiding, directing, comforting, and constant influence of the Holy Ghost."

I do not believe this part -
"We will see miraculous indications that God the Father and His Son, Jesus Christ, preside over this Church in majesty and glory. "

I put my faith in Jesus Christ and His words, and the prophet Isaiah -
who Christ said "for great are the words of Isaiah" ,
and not with men and a church that is in apostasy and will fall,
and the The king of Assyria will hurl “the drunkards of Ephraim”
to the ground !

listen to these words of the Lord and Isaiah my friend.
and put your faith in them.
They're not my words.

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I AM wrote: ↑July 1st, 2019, 10:51 am are the LGBT'S in the church doing something that is not accepted
and CAN NOT be accepted by God ?
Are church leaders calling them to repent ? NO !
so are church leaders accepted by God ? NO ! ! !

The" King of Assyria" will hurl "The Drunkards of Ephraim" to the ground !

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The " King of Assyria " !

The Lord uses him (His left hand)
against the church ( The Drunkards of Ephraim )

Isaiah 28

1 Woe to the garlands of glory
of the drunkards of Ephraim!
Their crowning splendor has become as fading wreaths
on the heads of the opulent overcome with wine.

Chapters 28-31, which form a didactic unit comprising Part VI of Isaiah’s Seven-Part Structure (Isaiah 28-31; 55-59),
each commence with a “woe” or covenant curse.
Ephraim’s chief sins of pride and drunkenness catch up with Israel’s birthright tribe in Jehovah’s Day of Judgment. Instead of acknowledging current inconvenient truths,
the people of Ephraim look back on past glories earned in more righteous times as if they still apply today. Ephraim’s self-deception, stemming from intoxication with “wine” at the highest levels, compounds the hard times that lie ahead (v 7; Isaiah 56:10-12).

"Isaiah's prophecy concerning Ephraim consists mostly of censure.
Ephraim lives in the past, acting as if former glories were current ones: “Woe to the garlands of glory of the drunkards of Ephraim!
Their crowning splendor has become as fading wreaths on the heads of the opulent overcome with wine” (Isaiah 28:1).
The king of Assyria—a new Flood (Isaiah 8:7–8)—will invade Ephraim’s land:

2.“My Lord has in store one mighty and strong: as a ravaging hailstorm sweeping down, or like an inundating deluge of mighty waters,
he will hurl them to the ground by his hand.

The proud garlands of the drunkards of Ephraim shall be trodden underfoot”(Isaiah 28:2–3)."


The imagery of “a ravaging hailstorm sweeping down” and of “an inundating deluge of mighty waters” identifies the king of Assyria/Babylon and his alliance of aggressor nations (Isaiah 8:7-8; 17:12; 18:2).
A second “one mighty and strong” in the Book of Isaiah is Jehovah’s servant, who makes an end of him at the last. Although Jehovah provides a refuge for a repentant remnant of his people against the storms of their enemies (Isaiah 4:6; 25:4-5; 57:13), he empowers the archtyrant—Jehovah’s (left) hand—over “the drunkards of Ephraim” to cast their illustriousness to the ground (cf. vv 1, 3).(Bold & Italics mine)


Isaiah 28

22 Jehovah will smite Egypt, and by smiting heal it: they will turn back to Jehovah, and he will respond to their pleas and heal them.

Although it is Jehovah who smites the wicked—both his own people and the nations (Isaiah 9:13; 27:7-8; 60:10)—he uses the king of Assyria/Babylon as his instrument (Isaiah 5:25; 10:20; 14:6).
Jehovah’s intent, however, is to cause the wicked to “turn back” to him—to “repent” and “return”—so that he may heal them. He heals them when at last they “see with their eyes and hear with their ears, understand in their heart, and repent, and are healed” (Isaiah 6:10; cf. 58:1-8).
Too often, however, only when wickedness results in covenant curses, does such healing occur (Isaiah 26:16; 27:4-5; 54:7-8).
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The Drunkards of Ephraim
Isaiah 28:

quote

"First we must note here that Isaiah is speaking to "the drunkards of Ephraim”.
There is no question that the Latter-Day Saints refer to themselves as “Ephraim” and there is no question that the Church teaches that the very next chapter of Isaiah (chapter 29) refers to our day or the coming forth of the Church, and the Book of Mormon. Therefore, it would seem quite logical that Isaiah 28 would also refer to Ephraim of our day."
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I find it absurd that some, (the "all is well in Zion" crowd )
can say that Isaiah 28 has nothing to do with the church,
while the church itself says that Isaiah 29 does. AMAZING !

"First we must note here that Isaiah is speaking to "the drunkards of Ephraim”.
There is no question that the Latter-Day Saints refer to themselves as “Ephraim” and there is no question that the Church teaches that the very next chapter of Isaiah (chapter 29) refers to our day or the coming forth of the Church, and the Book of Mormon. Therefore, it would seem quite logical that Isaiah 28 would also refer to Ephraim of our day."

taken from: LDS Seminary Student Study Guide

"Isaiah 29 is one place in the Bible where the Book of Mormon is referred to, even though it is not mentioned by name.
As you read this chapter, look for prophecies of the coming forth of the Book of Mormon and the impact this book will have on the world."

If you want a big wake up call please read and study the 28th chapter of Isaiah,
it will reveal that every word applies to our church in these days
and to no other people.
Isaiah cites that this people would be given "precept upon precept;
precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little and there a little."
These identical words, were used by the Prophet Joseph Smith among his closing instructions
to the latter day saints, warning us to go forward not backward. D.C.128:21-22 ; 2Nephi 28:30

Isaiah 28:13 "But the word of the Lord was unto them
precept upon precept, precept upon precept;
line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little;
that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken,
and snared, and taken."

We are still satisfied with the ABC portions of the gospel.
We will not accept the meat portions of the gospel.

Isaiah 28:
9 Whom shall he give instruction?
Whom shall he enlighten with revelation?
Weanlings weaned from milk,those just taken from the breast?
10 For it is but line upon line, line upon line,precept upon precept,
precept upon precept;a trifle here, a trifle there.

Let me just cut to the chase:

Do you consider yourself to be a/the true prophet?
I admit, that despite some interesting things you sometimes post, I find myself veiwing you as little more than an antagonist, sowing seeds of distrust...you are straight up toxic sometimes, dude.

capctr wrote: ↑July 1st, 2019, 7:20 pm

I AM wrote: ↑July 1st, 2019, 10:51 am are the LGBT'S in the church doing something that is not accepted
and CAN NOT be accepted by God ?
Are church leaders calling them to repent ? NO !
so are church leaders accepted by God ? NO ! ! !

The" King of Assyria" will hurl "The Drunkards of Ephraim" to the ground !

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The " King of Assyria " !

The Lord uses him (His left hand)
against the church ( The Drunkards of Ephraim )

Isaiah 28

1 Woe to the garlands of glory
of the drunkards of Ephraim!
Their crowning splendor has become as fading wreaths
on the heads of the opulent overcome with wine.

Chapters 28-31, which form a didactic unit comprising Part VI of Isaiah’s Seven-Part Structure (Isaiah 28-31; 55-59),
each commence with a “woe” or covenant curse.
Ephraim’s chief sins of pride and drunkenness catch up with Israel’s birthright tribe in Jehovah’s Day of Judgment. Instead of acknowledging current inconvenient truths,
the people of Ephraim look back on past glories earned in more righteous times as if they still apply today. Ephraim’s self-deception, stemming from intoxication with “wine” at the highest levels, compounds the hard times that lie ahead (v 7; Isaiah 56:10-12).

"Isaiah's prophecy concerning Ephraim consists mostly of censure.
Ephraim lives in the past, acting as if former glories were current ones: “Woe to the garlands of glory of the drunkards of Ephraim!
Their crowning splendor has become as fading wreaths on the heads of the opulent overcome with wine” (Isaiah 28:1).
The king of Assyria—a new Flood (Isaiah 8:7–8)—will invade Ephraim’s land:

2.“My Lord has in store one mighty and strong: as a ravaging hailstorm sweeping down, or like an inundating deluge of mighty waters,
he will hurl them to the ground by his hand.

The proud garlands of the drunkards of Ephraim shall be trodden underfoot”(Isaiah 28:2–3)."


The imagery of “a ravaging hailstorm sweeping down” and of “an inundating deluge of mighty waters” identifies the king of Assyria/Babylon and his alliance of aggressor nations (Isaiah 8:7-8; 17:12; 18:2).
A second “one mighty and strong” in the Book of Isaiah is Jehovah’s servant, who makes an end of him at the last. Although Jehovah provides a refuge for a repentant remnant of his people against the storms of their enemies (Isaiah 4:6; 25:4-5; 57:13), he empowers the archtyrant—Jehovah’s (left) hand—over “the drunkards of Ephraim” to cast their illustriousness to the ground (cf. vv 1, 3).(Bold & Italics mine)


Isaiah 28

22 Jehovah will smite Egypt, and by smiting heal it: they will turn back to Jehovah, and he will respond to their pleas and heal them.

Although it is Jehovah who smites the wicked—both his own people and the nations (Isaiah 9:13; 27:7-8; 60:10)—he uses the king of Assyria/Babylon as his instrument (Isaiah 5:25; 10:20; 14:6).
Jehovah’s intent, however, is to cause the wicked to “turn back” to him—to “repent” and “return”—so that he may heal them. He heals them when at last they “see with their eyes and hear with their ears, understand in their heart, and repent, and are healed” (Isaiah 6:10; cf. 58:1-8).
Too often, however, only when wickedness results in covenant curses, does such healing occur (Isaiah 26:16; 27:4-5; 54:7-8).
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The Drunkards of Ephraim
Isaiah 28:

quote

"First we must note here that Isaiah is speaking to "the drunkards of Ephraim”.
There is no question that the Latter-Day Saints refer to themselves as “Ephraim” and there is no question that the Church teaches that the very next chapter of Isaiah (chapter 29) refers to our day or the coming forth of the Church, and the Book of Mormon. Therefore, it would seem quite logical that Isaiah 28 would also refer to Ephraim of our day."
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I find it absurd that some, (the "all is well in Zion" crowd )
can say that Isaiah 28 has nothing to do with the church,
while the church itself says that Isaiah 29 does. AMAZING !

"First we must note here that Isaiah is speaking to "the drunkards of Ephraim”.
There is no question that the Latter-Day Saints refer to themselves as “Ephraim” and there is no question that the Church teaches that the very next chapter of Isaiah (chapter 29) refers to our day or the coming forth of the Church, and the Book of Mormon. Therefore, it would seem quite logical that Isaiah 28 would also refer to Ephraim of our day."

taken from: LDS Seminary Student Study Guide

"Isaiah 29 is one place in the Bible where the Book of Mormon is referred to, even though it is not mentioned by name.
As you read this chapter, look for prophecies of the coming forth of the Book of Mormon and the impact this book will have on the world."

If you want a big wake up call please read and study the 28th chapter of Isaiah,
it will reveal that every word applies to our church in these days
and to no other people.
Isaiah cites that this people would be given "precept upon precept;
precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little and there a little."
These identical words, were used by the Prophet Joseph Smith among his closing instructions
to the latter day saints, warning us to go forward not backward. D.C.128:21-22 ; 2Nephi 28:30

Isaiah 28:13 "But the word of the Lord was unto them
precept upon precept, precept upon precept;
line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little;
that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken,
and snared, and taken."

We are still satisfied with the ABC portions of the gospel.
We will not accept the meat portions of the gospel.

Isaiah 28:
9 Whom shall he give instruction?
Whom shall he enlighten with revelation?
Weanlings weaned from milk,those just taken from the breast?
10 For it is but line upon line, line upon line,precept upon precept,
precept upon precept;a trifle here, a trifle there.

Let me just cut to the chase:

Do you consider yourself to be a/the true prophet?
I admit, that despite some interesting things you sometimes post, I find myself veiwing you as little more than an antagonist, sowing seeds of distrust...you are straight up toxic sometimes, dude.

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now let me guess -
you're one of the LGBT"S ?
that doesn't like to be told they're doing something wrong
and will try to justify themselves to the death. Am I right ?

regardless, doesn't matter anyway,;
I knew someone might make such a comment
and try to make me look like I'm thinking I'm a prophet,
despite the fact that I have said many times that these ARE NOT MY WORDS
but the words of Jesus Christ and the prophet Isaiah - who's words He said where great.
so READ THEM !

I AM wrote: ↑July 1st, 2019, 7:51 pm

capctr wrote: ↑July 1st, 2019, 7:20 pm

I AM wrote: ↑July 1st, 2019, 10:51 am are the LGBT'S in the church doing something that is not accepted
and CAN NOT be accepted by God ?
Are church leaders calling them to repent ? NO !
so are church leaders accepted by God ? NO ! ! !

The" King of Assyria" will hurl "The Drunkards of Ephraim" to the ground !

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The " King of Assyria " !

The Lord uses him (His left hand)
against the church ( The Drunkards of Ephraim )

Isaiah 28

1 Woe to the garlands of glory
of the drunkards of Ephraim!
Their crowning splendor has become as fading wreaths
on the heads of the opulent overcome with wine.

Chapters 28-31, which form a didactic unit comprising Part VI of Isaiah’s Seven-Part Structure (Isaiah 28-31; 55-59),
each commence with a “woe” or covenant curse.
Ephraim’s chief sins of pride and drunkenness catch up with Israel’s birthright tribe in Jehovah’s Day of Judgment. Instead of acknowledging current inconvenient truths,
the people of Ephraim look back on past glories earned in more righteous times as if they still apply today. Ephraim’s self-deception, stemming from intoxication with “wine” at the highest levels, compounds the hard times that lie ahead (v 7; Isaiah 56:10-12).

"Isaiah's prophecy concerning Ephraim consists mostly of censure.
Ephraim lives in the past, acting as if former glories were current ones: “Woe to the garlands of glory of the drunkards of Ephraim!
Their crowning splendor has become as fading wreaths on the heads of the opulent overcome with wine” (Isaiah 28:1).
The king of Assyria—a new Flood (Isaiah 8:7–8)—will invade Ephraim’s land:

2.“My Lord has in store one mighty and strong: as a ravaging hailstorm sweeping down, or like an inundating deluge of mighty waters,
he will hurl them to the ground by his hand.

The proud garlands of the drunkards of Ephraim shall be trodden underfoot”(Isaiah 28:2–3)."


The imagery of “a ravaging hailstorm sweeping down” and of “an inundating deluge of mighty waters” identifies the king of Assyria/Babylon and his alliance of aggressor nations (Isaiah 8:7-8; 17:12; 18:2).
A second “one mighty and strong” in the Book of Isaiah is Jehovah’s servant, who makes an end of him at the last. Although Jehovah provides a refuge for a repentant remnant of his people against the storms of their enemies (Isaiah 4:6; 25:4-5; 57:13), he empowers the archtyrant—Jehovah’s (left) hand—over “the drunkards of Ephraim” to cast their illustriousness to the ground (cf. vv 1, 3).(Bold & Italics mine)


Isaiah 28

22 Jehovah will smite Egypt, and by smiting heal it: they will turn back to Jehovah, and he will respond to their pleas and heal them.

Although it is Jehovah who smites the wicked—both his own people and the nations (Isaiah 9:13; 27:7-8; 60:10)—he uses the king of Assyria/Babylon as his instrument (Isaiah 5:25; 10:20; 14:6).
Jehovah’s intent, however, is to cause the wicked to “turn back” to him—to “repent” and “return”—so that he may heal them. He heals them when at last they “see with their eyes and hear with their ears, understand in their heart, and repent, and are healed” (Isaiah 6:10; cf. 58:1-8).
Too often, however, only when wickedness results in covenant curses, does such healing occur (Isaiah 26:16; 27:4-5; 54:7-8).
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The Drunkards of Ephraim
Isaiah 28:

quote

"First we must note here that Isaiah is speaking to "the drunkards of Ephraim”.
There is no question that the Latter-Day Saints refer to themselves as “Ephraim” and there is no question that the Church teaches that the very next chapter of Isaiah (chapter 29) refers to our day or the coming forth of the Church, and the Book of Mormon. Therefore, it would seem quite logical that Isaiah 28 would also refer to Ephraim of our day."
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I find it absurd that some, (the "all is well in Zion" crowd )
can say that Isaiah 28 has nothing to do with the church,
while the church itself says that Isaiah 29 does. AMAZING !

"First we must note here that Isaiah is speaking to "the drunkards of Ephraim”.
There is no question that the Latter-Day Saints refer to themselves as “Ephraim” and there is no question that the Church teaches that the very next chapter of Isaiah (chapter 29) refers to our day or the coming forth of the Church, and the Book of Mormon. Therefore, it would seem quite logical that Isaiah 28 would also refer to Ephraim of our day."

taken from: LDS Seminary Student Study Guide

"Isaiah 29 is one place in the Bible where the Book of Mormon is referred to, even though it is not mentioned by name.
As you read this chapter, look for prophecies of the coming forth of the Book of Mormon and the impact this book will have on the world."

If you want a big wake up call please read and study the 28th chapter of Isaiah,
it will reveal that every word applies to our church in these days
and to no other people.
Isaiah cites that this people would be given "precept upon precept;
precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little and there a little."
These identical words, were used by the Prophet Joseph Smith among his closing instructions
to the latter day saints, warning us to go forward not backward. D.C.128:21-22 ; 2Nephi 28:30

Isaiah 28:13 "But the word of the Lord was unto them
precept upon precept, precept upon precept;
line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little;
that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken,
and snared, and taken."

We are still satisfied with the ABC portions of the gospel.
We will not accept the meat portions of the gospel.

Isaiah 28:
9 Whom shall he give instruction?
Whom shall he enlighten with revelation?
Weanlings weaned from milk,those just taken from the breast?
10 For it is but line upon line, line upon line,precept upon precept,
precept upon precept;a trifle here, a trifle there.

Let me just cut to the chase:

Do you consider yourself to be a/the true prophet?
I admit, that despite some interesting things you sometimes post, I find myself veiwing you as little more than an antagonist, sowing seeds of distrust...you are straight up toxic sometimes, dude.

--------------
now let me guess -
you're one of the LGBT"S ?
that doesn't like to be told they're doing something wrong
and will try to justify themselves to the death. Am I right ?

regardless, doesn't matter anyway,;
I knew someone might make such a comment
and try to make me look like I'm thinking I'm a prophet,
despite the fact that I have said many times that these ARE NOT MY WORDS
but the words of Jesus Christ and the prophet Isaiah - who's words He said where great.
so READ THEM !

I read Isaiah, I study Isaiah...there is a reason why Nephi likened Isaiah to his people and to our country in our days. I agree that our strongholds will be thrown down by the Assyrian army. I agree that a good portion of our church is asleep and many are openly sinning in perverted ways. I agree war will be made against the saints and the stout horn/antichrist will have much success (physically and spiritually).

What I don’t agree with is your understanding of who God is. The spirit in which you write about our Father and His holy Son is obscured by what I fear is pride. I don’t want to attack you or say negative things, but I feel you’re quick to see the justice/judgements of God and you forget about his infinite love and mercy. You rush condemnation on the church, but i can promise you that some of the best people that have ever lived on any planet of God’s infinite creations are members walking on this earth right now.

God will have a humble people, either by choice or by being compelled. Half of the church members will not have their oil lamps full...but half will. Have faith, have hope. There will be a few of us remnants remaining after the tribulation that will restore this chosen land to it’s full glory...and that will be done via the priesthood utilized to it’s fullest potential. My friend, I beg you to pray and ask God to give you a glimpse of how He sees the worth of every soul, every lost sheep. Have charity and serve those around you...once you try to mimic the love Jesus or our Father have for everyone, then will your perspective on humanity change. I fear you don’t see the whole picture right now...most people don’t. you obviously have a love of scripture...and I applaud you for trying to understand the events that are sure to come. We need zealous people like you on our team when crap hits the fan...I pray that you find your testimony again.

I AM wrote: ↑June 30th, 2019, 10:09 pm unlike our prophet -
true prophets call people to repent.

at this time many that love and serve the Lord
and receive His word are calling people to repent
and standing for what's right,
and not just being passive about everything.
Worldly philosophies have rooted themselves in the decisions made by church leaders and are growing ever more compatible with the teachings of the church.
These decisions (not revelations) and changes the church has made over the years - are the result of giving into the pressures of Babylon.
In these modern times, instead of still being the peculiar people that we once were before, the church changes according to the whims of society.
“A ‘true’ church doesn’t change its doctrines at the whims of society and the pressures of ever-changing and evolving morals and values.
God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow, and so should His church be, and to change would be to cave in on what it stands for.”

We are no longer a "peculiar people".
We as a church and a people have tried to "fit in" to the world
and have made great progress in acquiring wealth and status.

"And when the spirit of persecution, the spirit of hatred, of wrath, and malice ceases in the world against this people, it will be the time that this people have apostatized and joined hands with the wicked,
and never until then; which I pray may never come."
Brigham Young, May 31, 1857, JD 4:327.

"He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it.
He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it."
Martin Luther King, Jr.

Did you name yourself “I Am” because you think you are the one, the annoying man child?

When the anointed man child emerges we will know.

There are a lot of special spirits on the earth right now, you might be one or you might be the one, I don’t know. When I read your post I don’t feel the spirit.

I may not be this servant, but I'm doing the works of one.
So if you're going to judge me, judge me by my works.

maybe you haven't heard this one.

Isaiah 58
1 Proclaim it aloud without restraint;
raise your voice like a trumpet!
Declare to my people their transgressions,
to the house of Jacob its sins.

As the task of Jehovah’s servant is to restore justice in the earth (Isaiah 42:1-4), he informs the Jacob/Israel category of Jehovah’s people of its sins and transgressions (Isaiah 48:1).
In that role, he acts as Jehovah’s voice to his people: “Who among you fears Jehovah and heeds the voice of his servant” (Isaiah 50:10).
He is likewise the trumpet that announces Jehovah’s coming and the ensign that rallies them: “All you who live in the world, you inhabitants of the earth, look to the ensign when it is lifted up in the mountains; heed the trumpet when sounded!” (Isaiah 18:3; emphasis added; cf. 62:10-11).

Avraham Gileadi Ph.D.

Word links to a “servant” in the Book of Isaiah are two kinds: (1) God’s collective servant—his people Israel; and (2) his individual servant—Jehovah’s forerunner who restores his people to prepare them for Jehovah’s coming to reign on the earth: (1) “Ponder these things, O Jacob, and you, O Israel, for you are my servant. I have created you to be my servant, O Israel (Isaiah 44:21; cf. 41:8–9; 44:1–2); (2)
“My servant whom I sustain, my chosen one in whom I delight, him I have endowed with my Spirit; he will dispense justice to the nations” (Isaiah 42:1).

The setting for Jehovah’s calling his individual servant is his collective servant’s slide into apostasy: “O you deaf, listen; O you blind, look and see! Who is blind but my own servant, or so deaf as the messenger I have sent? Who is blind like those I have commissioned, as uncomprehending as the servant of Jehovah—seeing much but not giving heed, with open ears hearing nothing?” (Isaiah 42:18–20):
“Proclaim it aloud without restraint; raise your voice like a trumpet! Declare to my people their transgressions, to the house of Jacob its sins” (Isaiah 58:1).

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and if in many scriptures in Isaiah, like below where Isaiah compares the leaders of the church
to "dumb watchdogs", you can see why I speak the way I do about the church and leaders.
It's not me that is saying it, I'm only quoting Isaiah, Christ, and other prophets in our scriptures.


Isaiah Predicts End-Time Prophets and Seers

Isaiah—a prophet and seer who saw to the end of time—predicts that prophets and seers will exist in that future day. These persons fall into two categories.
First are those who have “gone astray,” who “err as seers” (Isaiah 28:7), “prophets who teach falsehoods” (Isaiah 9:15), whose eyes God closes because of the wickedness of his people (Isaiah 29:10).
These watchmen of God’s people are “blind and unaware; all of them but dumb watchdogs unable to bark, lolling seers fond of slumber. Gluttonous dogs, and insatiable, such indeed are insensible shepherds.
They are all diverted to their own way, every one after his own advantage” (Isaiah 56:10–11).

Second are “watchmen” who prophesy in the day of power, when God “bares his holy arm in the eyes of all nations” (Isaiah 51:9–11; 52:8, 10). They stand on the watchtower day and night, are “most vigilant” and “fully alert” to approaching dangers, and report what they “see” and “hear” (Isaiah 21:6–10). They herald Jehovah’s coming to reign on the earth and prepare God’s people for their end-time exodus out of Babylon to Zion (Isaiah 52:7–8, 11–12; compare 48:20–21). They “raise their voice as one” at the time Jehovah comes (Isaiah 52:8). They call upon God without ceasing for the welfare of his people and don’t keep silent day or night (Isaiah 62:6–7).



Isaiah 56

9 All you wild beasts, you animals of the forest,
come and devour!
10 Their watchmen are altogether blind and unaware;
all of them are but dumb watchdogs unable to bark,
lolling seers fond of slumber.

Typifying the leaders of Jehovah’s people who make a Covenant with Death instead of a Covenant of Life (Isaiah 28:15, 18), or Jehovah’s wife who turns adulterous (Isaiah 1:21; 50:1), are certain “watchmen”—prophets and seers—who occupy the highest rung of society. Because they epitomize “dumb watchdogs” and “lolling seers,” Jehovah replaces them with a righteous watchman—his servant—and other watchmen: “Go and appoint a watchman who reports what he sees” (Isaiah 21:6); “I have appointed watchmen on your walls, O Jerusalem, who shall not be silent day or night” (Isaiah 62:6).

As the job of Jehovah’s watchmen is to report to his people what they see and hear (Isaiah 21:10; 48:16), those who are blind and unaware see and hear little of consequence and fail to warn his people: “Who is blind but my own servant, or so deaf as the messenger I have sent? Who is blind like those I have commissioned, as uncomprehending as the servant of Jehovah—seeing much but not giving heed, with open ears hearing nothing?” (Isaiah 42:19-20. The final fate of the blind watchmen, literally and figuratively, is to be devoured by wild beasts—a covenant curse (Isaiah 5:29; 15:9; 51:8).

11 Gluttonous dogs, and insatiable,
such indeed are insensible shepherds.
They are all diverted to their own way,
every one after his own advantage.
12 Come, they say, let us get wine
and have our fill of liquor.
For tomorrow will be like today, only far better!

Instead of portraying these watchmen as ones who feed and protect the flock (Isaiah 5:17; 40:11; 63:11), the imagery of shepherds as dogs characterizes them as predators and unclean animals (Psalm 22:16; 1 Kings 14:11; Matthew 7:6). Instead of warning of trouble as Jehovah’s Day of Judgment approaches, they resemble wanton herdsmen who scatter the sheep and feed themselves off the fattest (Jeremiah 23:1-2; 50:6-7; Ezekiel 34:1-8). Instead of serving as proxy saviors to Jehovah’s people under the terms of the Davidic Covenant (Isaiah 37:35; 63:17; 65:8), they look out for themselves.

Word links round out the shepherds’ recriminatory state: “These too have indulged in wine and are giddy with strong drink: priests and prophets have gone astray through liquor. They are intoxicated with wine and stagger because of strong drink; they err as seers, they blunder in their decisions” (Isaiah 28:7); “Procrastinate, and become bewildered; preoccupy yourselves, until you cry for help. Be drunk, but not with wine; stagger, but not from strong drink. Jehovah has poured out on you a spirit of deep sleep: he has shut your eyes, the prophets; he has covered your heads, the seers” (Isaiah 29:9-10).


Eunuchs, Aliens—God’s End-Time Servants

The major end-time role certain “servants” of God fulfill in preparing a people for the coming of Jehovah to reign on the earth begs the question, Who are these servants and where do they come from? Because they first appear in the Book of Isaiah (Isaiah 54:17; 56:6; 63:17; 65:8–9, 13–15; 66:14) after God commissions his end-time servant (Isaiah 41:27; 42:1; 44:26; 49:3–6; 50:10; 52:13; 53:11), the servant’s connection with them seems self-evident. Parallel roles of God’s servant and these additional servants confirm this—what he does, they do: as he serves as a proxy savior to God’s people (Isaiah 42:6; 49:3–13), so do they (Isaiah 63:17; 65:8).

Terms designating God’s servants also appear after God’s servant begins his mission. These include God’s “watchmen” who herald Jehovah’s coming to reign on the earth (Isaiah 52:7–8); God’s “priests” and “ministers” who mourn in Zion and endure persecution (Isaiah 61:3–7); and (spiritual) “kings” and “queens” of the Gentiles who gather God’s sons and daughters from exile in a great end-time exodus to Zion (Isaiah 49:10–12, 17–23; 60:3–4, 9–11, 16). Most telling are certain “eunuchs” and “aliens” who “hold fast to my covenant,” who “choose to do what I will” so “that they may be his servants” (Isaiah 56:3–6; emphasis added; compare Matthew 19:12).

Doc wrote: ↑July 1st, 2019, 11:40 pm

I AM wrote: ↑July 1st, 2019, 7:51 pm

capctr wrote: ↑July 1st, 2019, 7:20 pm

I AM wrote: ↑July 1st, 2019, 10:51 am are the LGBT'S in the church doing something that is not accepted
and CAN NOT be accepted by God ?
Are church leaders calling them to repent ? NO !
so are church leaders accepted by God ? NO ! ! !

The" King of Assyria" will hurl "The Drunkards of Ephraim" to the ground !

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The " King of Assyria " !

The Lord uses him (His left hand)
against the church ( The Drunkards of Ephraim )

Isaiah 28

1 Woe to the garlands of glory
of the drunkards of Ephraim!
Their crowning splendor has become as fading wreaths
on the heads of the opulent overcome with wine.

Chapters 28-31, which form a didactic unit comprising Part VI of Isaiah’s Seven-Part Structure (Isaiah 28-31; 55-59),
each commence with a “woe” or covenant curse.
Ephraim’s chief sins of pride and drunkenness catch up with Israel’s birthright tribe in Jehovah’s Day of Judgment. Instead of acknowledging current inconvenient truths,
the people of Ephraim look back on past glories earned in more righteous times as if they still apply today. Ephraim’s self-deception, stemming from intoxication with “wine” at the highest levels, compounds the hard times that lie ahead (v 7; Isaiah 56:10-12).

"Isaiah's prophecy concerning Ephraim consists mostly of censure.
Ephraim lives in the past, acting as if former glories were current ones: “Woe to the garlands of glory of the drunkards of Ephraim!
Their crowning splendor has become as fading wreaths on the heads of the opulent overcome with wine” (Isaiah 28:1).
The king of Assyria—a new Flood (Isaiah 8:7–8)—will invade Ephraim’s land:

2.“My Lord has in store one mighty and strong: as a ravaging hailstorm sweeping down, or like an inundating deluge of mighty waters,
he will hurl them to the ground by his hand.

The proud garlands of the drunkards of Ephraim shall be trodden underfoot”(Isaiah 28:2–3)."


The imagery of “a ravaging hailstorm sweeping down” and of “an inundating deluge of mighty waters” identifies the king of Assyria/Babylon and his alliance of aggressor nations (Isaiah 8:7-8; 17:12; 18:2).
A second “one mighty and strong” in the Book of Isaiah is Jehovah’s servant, who makes an end of him at the last. Although Jehovah provides a refuge for a repentant remnant of his people against the storms of their enemies (Isaiah 4:6; 25:4-5; 57:13), he empowers the archtyrant—Jehovah’s (left) hand—over “the drunkards of Ephraim” to cast their illustriousness to the ground (cf. vv 1, 3).(Bold & Italics mine)


Isaiah 28

22 Jehovah will smite Egypt, and by smiting heal it: they will turn back to Jehovah, and he will respond to their pleas and heal them.

Although it is Jehovah who smites the wicked—both his own people and the nations (Isaiah 9:13; 27:7-8; 60:10)—he uses the king of Assyria/Babylon as his instrument (Isaiah 5:25; 10:20; 14:6).
Jehovah’s intent, however, is to cause the wicked to “turn back” to him—to “repent” and “return”—so that he may heal them. He heals them when at last they “see with their eyes and hear with their ears, understand in their heart, and repent, and are healed” (Isaiah 6:10; cf. 58:1-8).
Too often, however, only when wickedness results in covenant curses, does such healing occur (Isaiah 26:16; 27:4-5; 54:7-8).
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The Drunkards of Ephraim
Isaiah 28:

quote

"First we must note here that Isaiah is speaking to "the drunkards of Ephraim”.
There is no question that the Latter-Day Saints refer to themselves as “Ephraim” and there is no question that the Church teaches that the very next chapter of Isaiah (chapter 29) refers to our day or the coming forth of the Church, and the Book of Mormon. Therefore, it would seem quite logical that Isaiah 28 would also refer to Ephraim of our day."
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I find it absurd that some, (the "all is well in Zion" crowd )
can say that Isaiah 28 has nothing to do with the church,
while the church itself says that Isaiah 29 does. AMAZING !

"First we must note here that Isaiah is speaking to "the drunkards of Ephraim”.
There is no question that the Latter-Day Saints refer to themselves as “Ephraim” and there is no question that the Church teaches that the very next chapter of Isaiah (chapter 29) refers to our day or the coming forth of the Church, and the Book of Mormon. Therefore, it would seem quite logical that Isaiah 28 would also refer to Ephraim of our day."

taken from: LDS Seminary Student Study Guide

"Isaiah 29 is one place in the Bible where the Book of Mormon is referred to, even though it is not mentioned by name.
As you read this chapter, look for prophecies of the coming forth of the Book of Mormon and the impact this book will have on the world."

If you want a big wake up call please read and study the 28th chapter of Isaiah,
it will reveal that every word applies to our church in these days
and to no other people.
Isaiah cites that this people would be given "precept upon precept;
precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little and there a little."
These identical words, were used by the Prophet Joseph Smith among his closing instructions
to the latter day saints, warning us to go forward not backward. D.C.128:21-22 ; 2Nephi 28:30

Isaiah 28:13 "But the word of the Lord was unto them
precept upon precept, precept upon precept;
line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little;
that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken,
and snared, and taken."

We are still satisfied with the ABC portions of the gospel.
We will not accept the meat portions of the gospel.

Isaiah 28:
9 Whom shall he give instruction?
Whom shall he enlighten with revelation?
Weanlings weaned from milk,those just taken from the breast?
10 For it is but line upon line, line upon line,precept upon precept,
precept upon precept;a trifle here, a trifle there.

Let me just cut to the chase:

Do you consider yourself to be a/the true prophet?
I admit, that despite some interesting things you sometimes post, I find myself veiwing you as little more than an antagonist, sowing seeds of distrust...you are straight up toxic sometimes, dude.

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now let me guess -
you're one of the LGBT"S ?
that doesn't like to be told they're doing something wrong
and will try to justify themselves to the death. Am I right ?

regardless, doesn't matter anyway,;
I knew someone might make such a comment
and try to make me look like I'm thinking I'm a prophet,
despite the fact that I have said many times that these ARE NOT MY WORDS
but the words of Jesus Christ and the prophet Isaiah - who's words He said where great.
so READ THEM !

I read Isaiah, I study Isaiah...there is a reason why Nephi likened Isaiah to his people and to our country in our days. I agree that our strongholds will be thrown down by the Assyrian army. I agree that a good portion of our church is asleep and many are openly sinning in perverted ways. I agree war will be made against the saints and the stout horn/antichrist will have much success (physically and spiritually).

What I don’t agree with is your understanding of who God is. The spirit in which you write about our Father and His holy Son is obscured by what I fear is pride. I don’t want to attack you or say negative things, but I feel you’re quick to see the justice/judgements of God and you forget about his infinite love and mercy. You rush condemnation on the church, but i can promise you that some of the best people that have ever lived on any planet of God’s infinite creations are members walking on this earth right now.

God will have a humble people, either by choice or by being compelled. Half of the church members will not have their oil lamps full...but half will. Have faith, have hope. There will be a few of us remnants remaining after the tribulation that will restore this chosen land to it’s full glory...and that will be done via the priesthood utilized to it’s fullest potential. My friend, I beg you to pray and ask God to give you a glimpse of how He sees the worth of every soul, every lost sheep. Have charity and serve those around you...once you try to mimic the love Jesus or our Father have for everyone, then will your perspective on humanity change. I fear you don’t see the whole picture right now...most people don’t. you obviously have a love of scripture...and I applaud you for trying to understand the events that are sure to come. We need zealous people like you on our team when crap hits the fan...I pray that you find your testimony again.

If the Lord forsakes his house a time and lets the lions devour the chickens and the eggs, and the serpents consume as they please, can the saints hold to faith unto death to be justified in another way, For it shall be those days ye speak of tribulation that the truly righteous children are revealed, and it is with a sorrowful heart the Lord must allow it to come, another way was presented but rejected by the saints in it past. It will be the hardest times the people of the world have ever seen and it was known to come but not desired by the Lord, another option was offered but it did not get fulfilled sadly. Zion comes the hard way now, One Mighty and Strong is appointed to bring it forth and organize the house of the Lord in that time. But the house will first be chastised and threshed before Zion is established and the City of God built. Be prepared to give up everything of this world, and live by the original covenant, and if ye are able to abide it and the spirit of truth sees so, ye shall remain to see Zion come this we speak to all who read.

Know saints it is the less obvious sins that are stumbling blocks, such as not realizing having too much things you own and to much money in this beast kingdom gives the kingdom power over you. Ye must make more effort to let go of Babylon and Mammon. personally ye can choose to release funds to aid the poor and needy and sick, ye are capable without being told too yet you were told to in the doctrines given you in the original covenant. Or pride of exalting yourself in your own hearts in seeking to be gods, and not servants of God. In lessening the Holy One of Israel and not reaching the humility taught in Mosiah. Hearts have been tried and measured through doctrines, not all doctrines the saints have is accurate to the full truth, but some left as tests of their hearts. If ye are not children of the Father and are intelligence's organised into spirits of various orders, can ye humble self before the real Son of God to be adopted through him and he becometh your Father. If such is reveled in the future does it change why you followed the Son to begin with? All who accept the light and truth shall be adopted and shall be given power to become the sons and daughter of God by his Son and he shall be their Lord and God and Everlasting Father.

I AM wrote: ↑July 2nd, 2019, 12:20 am I may not be this servant, but I'm doing the works of one.
So if you're going to judge me, judge me by my works.

maybe you haven't heard this one.

Isaiah 58
1 Proclaim it aloud without restraint;
raise your voice like a trumpet!
Declare to my people their transgressions,
to the house of Jacob its sins.

As the task of Jehovah’s servant is to restore justice in the earth (Isaiah 42:1-4), he informs the Jacob/Israel category of Jehovah’s people of its sins and transgressions (Isaiah 48:1).
In that role, he acts as Jehovah’s voice to his people: “Who among you fears Jehovah and heeds the voice of his servant” (Isaiah 50:10).
He is likewise the trumpet that announces Jehovah’s coming and the ensign that rallies them: “All you who live in the world, you inhabitants of the earth, look to the ensign when it is lifted up in the mountains; heed the trumpet when sounded!” (Isaiah 18:3; emphasis added; cf. 62:10-11).

Avraham Gileadi Ph.D.

Word links to a “servant” in the Book of Isaiah are two kinds: (1) God’s collective servant—his people Israel; and (2) his individual servant—Jehovah’s forerunner who restores his people to prepare them for Jehovah’s coming to reign on the earth: (1) “Ponder these things, O Jacob, and you, O Israel, for you are my servant. I have created you to be my servant, O Israel (Isaiah 44:21; cf. 41:8–9; 44:1–2); (2)
“My servant whom I sustain, my chosen one in whom I delight, him I have endowed with my Spirit; he will dispense justice to the nations” (Isaiah 42:1).

The setting for Jehovah’s calling his individual servant is his collective servant’s slide into apostasy: “O you deaf, listen; O you blind, look and see! Who is blind but my own servant, or so deaf as the messenger I have sent? Who is blind like those I have commissioned, as uncomprehending as the servant of Jehovah—seeing much but not giving heed, with open ears hearing nothing?” (Isaiah 42:18–20):
“Proclaim it aloud without restraint; raise your voice like a trumpet! Declare to my people their transgressions, to the house of Jacob its sins” (Isaiah 58:1).

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and if in many scriptures in Isaiah, like below where Isaiah compares the leaders of the church
to "dumb watchdogs", you can see why I speak the way I do about the church and leaders.
It's not me that is saying it, I'm only quoting Isaiah, Christ, and other prophets in our scriptures.


Isaiah Predicts End-Time Prophets and Seers

Isaiah—a prophet and seer who saw to the end of time—predicts that prophets and seers will exist in that future day. These persons fall into two categories.
First are those who have “gone astray,” who “err as seers” (Isaiah 28:7), “prophets who teach falsehoods” (Isaiah 9:15), whose eyes God closes because of the wickedness of his people (Isaiah 29:10).
These watchmen of God’s people are “blind and unaware; all of them but dumb watchdogs unable to bark, lolling seers fond of slumber. Gluttonous dogs, and insatiable, such indeed are insensible shepherds.
They are all diverted to their own way, every one after his own advantage” (Isaiah 56:10–11).

Second are “watchmen” who prophesy in the day of power, when God “bares his holy arm in the eyes of all nations” (Isaiah 51:9–11; 52:8, 10). They stand on the watchtower day and night, are “most vigilant” and “fully alert” to approaching dangers, and report what they “see” and “hear” (Isaiah 21:6–10). They herald Jehovah’s coming to reign on the earth and prepare God’s people for their end-time exodus out of Babylon to Zion (Isaiah 52:7–8, 11–12; compare 48:20–21). They “raise their voice as one” at the time Jehovah comes (Isaiah 52:8). They call upon God without ceasing for the welfare of his people and don’t keep silent day or night (Isaiah 62:6–7).



Isaiah 56

9 All you wild beasts, you animals of the forest,
come and devour!
10 Their watchmen are altogether blind and unaware;
all of them are but dumb watchdogs unable to bark,
lolling seers fond of slumber.

Typifying the leaders of Jehovah’s people who make a Covenant with Death instead of a Covenant of Life (Isaiah 28:15, 18), or Jehovah’s wife who turns adulterous (Isaiah 1:21; 50:1), are certain “watchmen”—prophets and seers—who occupy the highest rung of society. Because they epitomize “dumb watchdogs” and “lolling seers,” Jehovah replaces them with a righteous watchman—his servant—and other watchmen: “Go and appoint a watchman who reports what he sees” (Isaiah 21:6); “I have appointed watchmen on your walls, O Jerusalem, who shall not be silent day or night” (Isaiah 62:6).

As the job of Jehovah’s watchmen is to report to his people what they see and hear (Isaiah 21:10; 48:16), those who are blind and unaware see and hear little of consequence and fail to warn his people: “Who is blind but my own servant, or so deaf as the messenger I have sent? Who is blind like those I have commissioned, as uncomprehending as the servant of Jehovah—seeing much but not giving heed, with open ears hearing nothing?” (Isaiah 42:19-20. The final fate of the blind watchmen, literally and figuratively, is to be devoured by wild beasts—a covenant curse (Isaiah 5:29; 15:9; 51:8).

11 Gluttonous dogs, and insatiable,
such indeed are insensible shepherds.
They are all diverted to their own way,
every one after his own advantage.
12 Come, they say, let us get wine
and have our fill of liquor.
For tomorrow will be like today, only far better!

Instead of portraying these watchmen as ones who feed and protect the flock (Isaiah 5:17; 40:11; 63:11), the imagery of shepherds as dogs characterizes them as predators and unclean animals (Psalm 22:16; 1 Kings 14:11; Matthew 7:6). Instead of warning of trouble as Jehovah’s Day of Judgment approaches, they resemble wanton herdsmen who scatter the sheep and feed themselves off the fattest (Jeremiah 23:1-2; 50:6-7; Ezekiel 34:1-8). Instead of serving as proxy saviors to Jehovah’s people under the terms of the Davidic Covenant (Isaiah 37:35; 63:17; 65:8), they look out for themselves.

Word links round out the shepherds’ recriminatory state: “These too have indulged in wine and are giddy with strong drink: priests and prophets have gone astray through liquor. They are intoxicated with wine and stagger because of strong drink; they err as seers, they blunder in their decisions” (Isaiah 28:7); “Procrastinate, and become bewildered; preoccupy yourselves, until you cry for help. Be drunk, but not with wine; stagger, but not from strong drink. Jehovah has poured out on you a spirit of deep sleep: he has shut your eyes, the prophets; he has covered your heads, the seers” (Isaiah 29:9-10).


Eunuchs, Aliens—God’s End-Time Servants

The major end-time role certain “servants” of God fulfill in preparing a people for the coming of Jehovah to reign on the earth begs the question, Who are these servants and where do they come from? Because they first appear in the Book of Isaiah (Isaiah 54:17; 56:6; 63:17; 65:8–9, 13–15; 66:14) after God commissions his end-time servant (Isaiah 41:27; 42:1; 44:26; 49:3–6; 50:10; 52:13; 53:11), the servant’s connection with them seems self-evident. Parallel roles of God’s servant and these additional servants confirm this—what he does, they do: as he serves as a proxy savior to God’s people (Isaiah 42:6; 49:3–13), so do they (Isaiah 63:17; 65:8).

Terms designating God’s servants also appear after God’s servant begins his mission. These include God’s “watchmen” who herald Jehovah’s coming to reign on the earth (Isaiah 52:7–8); God’s “priests” and “ministers” who mourn in Zion and endure persecution (Isaiah 61:3–7); and (spiritual) “kings” and “queens” of the Gentiles who gather God’s sons and daughters from exile in a great end-time exodus to Zion (Isaiah 49:10–12, 17–23; 60:3–4, 9–11, 16). Most telling are certain “eunuchs” and “aliens” who “hold fast to my covenant,” who “choose to do what I will” so “that they may be his servants” (Isaiah 56:3–6; emphasis added; compare Matthew 19:12).

I don’t know you to judge you, I know the words of the lord are elegant or sharp. Yours are neither, they are all over the map like anger.

Take a deep breath and be sharp only when you need to be, be elegant all other times.

Man thinks respect is earned.

What did the lord show us when he sat with the wicked?

The Lord told Abinidi to go into hiding for a few years between calling the people under King Noah to repent.

The Lord told Mormon to go silent for a period at the end of the Nephite civilization.

The Lord told Ether to stop preaching and just record the events of what transpired towards the end of the Jaredite nation.

I'm actually starting to see a pattern here. It appears right before a nation is destroyed the Lord's prophets go silent because the people have been sufficiently warned.

Bronco73idi wrote: ↑July 2nd, 2019, 12:49 pm

I AM wrote: ↑July 2nd, 2019, 12:20 am I may not be this servant, but I'm doing the works of one.
So if you're going to judge me, judge me by my works.

maybe you haven't heard this one.

Isaiah 58
1 Proclaim it aloud without restraint;
raise your voice like a trumpet!
Declare to my people their transgressions,
to the house of Jacob its sins.

As the task of Jehovah’s servant is to restore justice in the earth (Isaiah 42:1-4), he informs the Jacob/Israel category of Jehovah’s people of its sins and transgressions (Isaiah 48:1).
In that role, he acts as Jehovah’s voice to his people: “Who among you fears Jehovah and heeds the voice of his servant” (Isaiah 50:10).
He is likewise the trumpet that announces Jehovah’s coming and the ensign that rallies them: “All you who live in the world, you inhabitants of the earth, look to the ensign when it is lifted up in the mountains; heed the trumpet when sounded!” (Isaiah 18:3; emphasis added; cf. 62:10-11).

Avraham Gileadi Ph.D.

Word links to a “servant” in the Book of Isaiah are two kinds: (1) God’s collective servant—his people Israel; and (2) his individual servant—Jehovah’s forerunner who restores his people to prepare them for Jehovah’s coming to reign on the earth: (1) “Ponder these things, O Jacob, and you, O Israel, for you are my servant. I have created you to be my servant, O Israel (Isaiah 44:21; cf. 41:8–9; 44:1–2); (2)
“My servant whom I sustain, my chosen one in whom I delight, him I have endowed with my Spirit; he will dispense justice to the nations” (Isaiah 42:1).

The setting for Jehovah’s calling his individual servant is his collective servant’s slide into apostasy: “O you deaf, listen; O you blind, look and see! Who is blind but my own servant, or so deaf as the messenger I have sent? Who is blind like those I have commissioned, as uncomprehending as the servant of Jehovah—seeing much but not giving heed, with open ears hearing nothing?” (Isaiah 42:18–20):
“Proclaim it aloud without restraint; raise your voice like a trumpet! Declare to my people their transgressions, to the house of Jacob its sins” (Isaiah 58:1).

----------------------------------------------------------------------

and if in many scriptures in Isaiah, like below where Isaiah compares the leaders of the church
to "dumb watchdogs", you can see why I speak the way I do about the church and leaders.
It's not me that is saying it, I'm only quoting Isaiah, Christ, and other prophets in our scriptures.


Isaiah Predicts End-Time Prophets and Seers

Isaiah—a prophet and seer who saw to the end of time—predicts that prophets and seers will exist in that future day. These persons fall into two categories.
First are those who have “gone astray,” who “err as seers” (Isaiah 28:7), “prophets who teach falsehoods” (Isaiah 9:15), whose eyes God closes because of the wickedness of his people (Isaiah 29:10).
These watchmen of God’s people are “blind and unaware; all of them but dumb watchdogs unable to bark, lolling seers fond of slumber. Gluttonous dogs, and insatiable, such indeed are insensible shepherds.
They are all diverted to their own way, every one after his own advantage” (Isaiah 56:10–11).

Second are “watchmen” who prophesy in the day of power, when God “bares his holy arm in the eyes of all nations” (Isaiah 51:9–11; 52:8, 10). They stand on the watchtower day and night, are “most vigilant” and “fully alert” to approaching dangers, and report what they “see” and “hear” (Isaiah 21:6–10). They herald Jehovah’s coming to reign on the earth and prepare God’s people for their end-time exodus out of Babylon to Zion (Isaiah 52:7–8, 11–12; compare 48:20–21). They “raise their voice as one” at the time Jehovah comes (Isaiah 52:8). They call upon God without ceasing for the welfare of his people and don’t keep silent day or night (Isaiah 62:6–7).



Isaiah 56

9 All you wild beasts, you animals of the forest,
come and devour!
10 Their watchmen are altogether blind and unaware;
all of them are but dumb watchdogs unable to bark,
lolling seers fond of slumber.

Typifying the leaders of Jehovah’s people who make a Covenant with Death instead of a Covenant of Life (Isaiah 28:15, 18), or Jehovah’s wife who turns adulterous (Isaiah 1:21; 50:1), are certain “watchmen”—prophets and seers—who occupy the highest rung of society. Because they epitomize “dumb watchdogs” and “lolling seers,” Jehovah replaces them with a righteous watchman—his servant—and other watchmen: “Go and appoint a watchman who reports what he sees” (Isaiah 21:6); “I have appointed watchmen on your walls, O Jerusalem, who shall not be silent day or night” (Isaiah 62:6).

As the job of Jehovah’s watchmen is to report to his people what they see and hear (Isaiah 21:10; 48:16), those who are blind and unaware see and hear little of consequence and fail to warn his people: “Who is blind but my own servant, or so deaf as the messenger I have sent? Who is blind like those I have commissioned, as uncomprehending as the servant of Jehovah—seeing much but not giving heed, with open ears hearing nothing?” (Isaiah 42:19-20. The final fate of the blind watchmen, literally and figuratively, is to be devoured by wild beasts—a covenant curse (Isaiah 5:29; 15:9; 51:8).

11 Gluttonous dogs, and insatiable,
such indeed are insensible shepherds.
They are all diverted to their own way,
every one after his own advantage.
12 Come, they say, let us get wine
and have our fill of liquor.
For tomorrow will be like today, only far better!

Instead of portraying these watchmen as ones who feed and protect the flock (Isaiah 5:17; 40:11; 63:11), the imagery of shepherds as dogs characterizes them as predators and unclean animals (Psalm 22:16; 1 Kings 14:11; Matthew 7:6). Instead of warning of trouble as Jehovah’s Day of Judgment approaches, they resemble wanton herdsmen who scatter the sheep and feed themselves off the fattest (Jeremiah 23:1-2; 50:6-7; Ezekiel 34:1-8). Instead of serving as proxy saviors to Jehovah’s people under the terms of the Davidic Covenant (Isaiah 37:35; 63:17; 65:8), they look out for themselves.

Word links round out the shepherds’ recriminatory state: “These too have indulged in wine and are giddy with strong drink: priests and prophets have gone astray through liquor. They are intoxicated with wine and stagger because of strong drink; they err as seers, they blunder in their decisions” (Isaiah 28:7); “Procrastinate, and become bewildered; preoccupy yourselves, until you cry for help. Be drunk, but not with wine; stagger, but not from strong drink. Jehovah has poured out on you a spirit of deep sleep: he has shut your eyes, the prophets; he has covered your heads, the seers” (Isaiah 29:9-10).


Eunuchs, Aliens—God’s End-Time Servants

The major end-time role certain “servants” of God fulfill in preparing a people for the coming of Jehovah to reign on the earth begs the question, Who are these servants and where do they come from? Because they first appear in the Book of Isaiah (Isaiah 54:17; 56:6; 63:17; 65:8–9, 13–15; 66:14) after God commissions his end-time servant (Isaiah 41:27; 42:1; 44:26; 49:3–6; 50:10; 52:13; 53:11), the servant’s connection with them seems self-evident. Parallel roles of God’s servant and these additional servants confirm this—what he does, they do: as he serves as a proxy savior to God’s people (Isaiah 42:6; 49:3–13), so do they (Isaiah 63:17; 65:8).

Terms designating God’s servants also appear after God’s servant begins his mission. These include God’s “watchmen” who herald Jehovah’s coming to reign on the earth (Isaiah 52:7–8); God’s “priests” and “ministers” who mourn in Zion and endure persecution (Isaiah 61:3–7); and (spiritual) “kings” and “queens” of the Gentiles who gather God’s sons and daughters from exile in a great end-time exodus to Zion (Isaiah 49:10–12, 17–23; 60:3–4, 9–11, 16). Most telling are certain “eunuchs” and “aliens” who “hold fast to my covenant,” who “choose to do what I will” so “that they may be his servants” (Isaiah 56:3–6; emphasis added; compare Matthew 19:12).

I don’t know you to judge you, I know the words of the lord are elegant or sharp. Yours are neither, they are all over the map like anger.

Take a deep breath and be sharp only when you need to be, be elegant all other times.

Man thinks respect is earned.

What did the lord show us when he sat with the wicked?

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and the Lord said -
"O faithless generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you?"
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword."

sorry my friend, but these are not my words,
but the words of the Lord I'm quoting in the scriptures I posted.
so It's not me at all that you would be judging;
it would be the Lord.

By a show of hands, how many here actually read the hundreds of random, cherry picked scriptures plastered on the board to supposedly prove some point that the one and only, I AM is trying to make?

And how many just scroll-on-by like I do, because they don’t have the time (nor the desire) to try and decipher what he’s trying to say. Because every time you do, it doesn’t add up anyway?

Just curious.

RocknRoll wrote: ↑July 2nd, 2019, 2:31 pm By a show of hands, how many here actually read the hundreds of random, cherry picked scriptures plastered on the board to supposedly prove some point that the one and only, I AM is trying to make?

And how many just scroll-on-by like I do, because they don’t have the time (nor the desire) to try and decipher what he’s trying to say. Because every time you do, it doesn’t add up anyway?

Just curious.

I never read more than the first line or two and then scan as I scroll by. I sometimes think he is really just a bot that regurgitates the same scriptures and quotes at random.

RocknRoll wrote: ↑July 2nd, 2019, 2:31 pm By a show of hands, how many here actually read the hundreds of random, cherry picked scriptures plastered on the board to supposedly prove some point that the one and only, I AM is trying to make?

And how many just scroll-on-by like I do, because they don’t have the time (nor the desire) to try and decipher what he’s trying to say. Because every time you do, it doesn’t add up anyway?

Just curious.

He's the only poster I have blocked. Against my better judgment I now and then read snippets of the stuff he coughs up. If you've read one of his posts you've pretty much read them all.

tjtax06 wrote: ↑July 2nd, 2019, 1:17 pm The Lord told Abinidi to go into hiding for a few years between calling the people under King Noah to repent.

The Lord told Mormon to go silent for a period at the end of the Nephite civilization.

The Lord told Ether to stop preaching and just record the events of what transpired towards the end of the Jaredite nation.

I'm actually starting to see a pattern here. It appears right before a nation is destroyed the Lord's prophets go silent because the people have been sufficiently warned.

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I think you just might get your wish soon.

but until then,
I think we have a learning disability here -
no, I take that back - maybe it's pride,
not wanting to hear the word of the Lord.

Apparently, like most members,
you don't care about Jesus, and the commandment
He gave to read the words of Isaiah,
but you bow down to the prophet - stumbling following Him,
who also stumbles and falls by the stumbling blocks the Lord has placed
before Him, and you,
so the blind, end up leading the blind,
so they both fall into a pit.

maybe you need to read this ,
because apparently, you haven't.

Isaiah 58
1 Proclaim it aloud without restraint;
raise your voice like a trumpet!
Declare to my people their transgressions,
to the house of Jacob its sins.

As the task of Jehovah’s servant is to restore justice in the earth (Isaiah 42:1-4), he informs the Jacob/Israel category of Jehovah’s people of its sins and transgressions (Isaiah 48:1).
In that role, he acts as Jehovah’s voice to his people: “Who among you fears Jehovah and heeds the voice of his servant” (Isaiah 50:10).
He is likewise the trumpet that announces Jehovah’s coming and the ensign that rallies them: “All you who live in the world, you inhabitants of the earth, look to the ensign when it is lifted up in the mountains; heed the trumpet when sounded!” (Isaiah 18:3; emphasis added; cf. 62:10-11).

Avraham Gileadi Ph.D.

Word links to a “servant” in the Book of Isaiah are two kinds: (1) God’s collective servant—his people Israel; and (2) his individual servant—Jehovah’s forerunner who restores his people to prepare them for Jehovah’s coming to reign on the earth: (1) “Ponder these things, O Jacob, and you, O Israel, for you are my servant. I have created you to be my servant, O Israel (Isaiah 44:21; cf. 41:8–9; 44:1–2); (2)
“My servant whom I sustain, my chosen one in whom I delight, him I have endowed with my Spirit; he will dispense justice to the nations” (Isaiah 42:1).

The setting for Jehovah’s calling his individual servant is his collective servant’s slide into apostasy: “O you deaf, listen; O you blind, look and see! Who is blind but my own servant, or so deaf as the messenger I have sent? Who is blind like those I have commissioned, as uncomprehending as the servant of Jehovah—seeing much but not giving heed, with open ears hearing nothing?” (Isaiah 42:18–20):
“Proclaim it aloud without restraint; raise your voice like a trumpet! Declare to my people their transgressions, to the house of Jacob its sins” (Isaiah 58:1).

----------------------------------------------------------------------

and if in many scriptures in Isaiah, like below where Isaiah compares the leaders of the church
to "dumb watchdogs", you can see why I speak the way I do about the church and leaders.
It's not me that is saying it, I'm only quoting Isaiah, Christ, and other prophets in our scriptures.


Isaiah Predicts End-Time Prophets and Seers

Isaiah—a prophet and seer who saw to the end of time—predicts that prophets and seers will exist in that future day. These persons fall into two categories.
First are those who have “gone astray,” who “err as seers” (Isaiah 28:7), “prophets who teach falsehoods” (Isaiah 9:15), whose eyes God closes because of the wickedness of his people (Isaiah 29:10).
These watchmen of God’s people are “blind and unaware; all of them but dumb watchdogs unable to bark, lolling seers fond of slumber. Gluttonous dogs, and insatiable, such indeed are insensible shepherds.
They are all diverted to their own way, every one after his own advantage” (Isaiah 56:10–11).

Second are “watchmen” who prophesy in the day of power, when God “bares his holy arm in the eyes of all nations” (Isaiah 51:9–11; 52:8, 10). They stand on the watchtower day and night, are “most vigilant” and “fully alert” to approaching dangers, and report what they “see” and “hear” (Isaiah 21:6–10). They herald Jehovah’s coming to reign on the earth and prepare God’s people for their end-time exodus out of Babylon to Zion (Isaiah 52:7–8, 11–12; compare 48:20–21). They “raise their voice as one” at the time Jehovah comes (Isaiah 52:8). They call upon God without ceasing for the welfare of his people and don’t keep silent day or night (Isaiah 62:6–7).



Isaiah 56

9 All you wild beasts, you animals of the forest,
come and devour!
10 Their watchmen are altogether blind and unaware;
all of them are but dumb watchdogs unable to bark,
lolling seers fond of slumber.

Typifying the leaders of Jehovah’s people who make a Covenant with Death instead of a Covenant of Life (Isaiah 28:15, 18), or Jehovah’s wife who turns adulterous (Isaiah 1:21; 50:1), are certain “watchmen”—prophets and seers—who occupy the highest rung of society. Because they epitomize “dumb watchdogs” and “lolling seers,” Jehovah replaces them with a righteous watchman—his servant—and other watchmen: “Go and appoint a watchman who reports what he sees” (Isaiah 21:6); “I have appointed watchmen on your walls, O Jerusalem, who shall not be silent day or night” (Isaiah 62:6).

As the job of Jehovah’s watchmen is to report to his people what they see and hear (Isaiah 21:10; 48:16), those who are blind and unaware see and hear little of consequence and fail to warn his people: “Who is blind but my own servant, or so deaf as the messenger I have sent? Who is blind like those I have commissioned, as uncomprehending as the servant of Jehovah—seeing much but not giving heed, with open ears hearing nothing?” (Isaiah 42:19-20. The final fate of the blind watchmen, literally and figuratively, is to be devoured by wild beasts—a covenant curse (Isaiah 5:29; 15:9; 51:8).

11 Gluttonous dogs, and insatiable,
such indeed are insensible shepherds.
They are all diverted to their own way,
every one after his own advantage.
12 Come, they say, let us get wine
and have our fill of liquor.
For tomorrow will be like today, only far better!

Instead of portraying these watchmen as ones who feed and protect the flock (Isaiah 5:17; 40:11; 63:11), the imagery of shepherds as dogs characterizes them as predators and unclean animals (Psalm 22:16; 1 Kings 14:11; Matthew 7:6). Instead of warning of trouble as Jehovah’s Day of Judgment approaches, they resemble wanton herdsmen who scatter the sheep and feed themselves off the fattest (Jeremiah 23:1-2; 50:6-7; Ezekiel 34:1-8). Instead of serving as proxy saviors to Jehovah’s people under the terms of the Davidic Covenant (Isaiah 37:35; 63:17; 65:8), they look out for themselves.

Word links round out the shepherds’ recriminatory state: “These too have indulged in wine and are giddy with strong drink: priests and prophets have gone astray through liquor. They are intoxicated with wine and stagger because of strong drink; they err as seers, they blunder in their decisions” (Isaiah 28:7); “Procrastinate, and become bewildered; preoccupy yourselves, until you cry for help. Be drunk, but not with wine; stagger, but not from strong drink. Jehovah has poured out on you a spirit of deep sleep: he has shut your eyes, the prophets; he has covered your heads, the seers” (Isaiah 29:9-10).


Eunuchs, Aliens—God’s End-Time Servants

The major end-time role certain “servants” of God fulfill in preparing a people for the coming of Jehovah to reign on the earth begs the question, Who are these servants and where do they come from? Because they first appear in the Book of Isaiah (Isaiah 54:17; 56:6; 63:17; 65:8–9, 13–15; 66:14) after God commissions his end-time servant (Isaiah 41:27; 42:1; 44:26; 49:3–6; 50:10; 52:13; 53:11), the servant’s connection with them seems self-evident. Parallel roles of God’s servant and these additional servants confirm this—what he does, they do: as he serves as a proxy savior to God’s people (Isaiah 42:6; 49:3–13), so do they (Isaiah 63:17; 65:8).

Terms designating God’s servants also appear after God’s servant begins his mission. These include God’s “watchmen” who herald Jehovah’s coming to reign on the earth (Isaiah 52:7–8); God’s “priests” and “ministers” who mourn in Zion and endure persecution (Isaiah 61:3–7); and (spiritual) “kings” and “queens” of the Gentiles who gather God’s sons and daughters from exile in a great end-time exodus to Zion (Isaiah 49:10–12, 17–23; 60:3–4, 9–11, 16). Most telling are certain “eunuchs” and “aliens” who “hold fast to my covenant,” who “choose to do what I will” so “that they may be his servants” (Isaiah 56:3–6; emphasis added; compare Matthew 19:12).