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Re: true prophets

Posted: July 2nd, 2019, 2:58 pm
by I AM
gangbusters wrote: July 2nd, 2019, 2:35 pm
RocknRoll wrote: July 2nd, 2019, 2:31 pm By a show of hands, how many here actually read the hundreds of random, cherry picked scriptures plastered on the board to supposedly prove some point that the one and only, I AM is trying to make?

And how many just scroll-on-by like I do, because they don’t have the time (nor the desire) to try and decipher what he’s trying to say. Because every time you do, it doesn’t add up anyway?

Just curious.
He's the only poster I have blocked. Against my better judgment I now and then read snippets of the stuff he coughs up. If you've read one of his posts you've pretty much read them all.
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definitely sounds like a typical Mormon,
considering that most of my posts are scripture.
And Morons don't read scriptures - must be too proud to read God's word.
I guess - "when you've read one scripture - you've read em all"
hmm... sounds like the mentality of the modern -day Mormon.

Re: true prophets

Posted: July 2nd, 2019, 3:04 pm
by gangbusters
I AM wrote: July 2nd, 2019, 2:58 pm
gangbusters wrote: July 2nd, 2019, 2:35 pm
RocknRoll wrote: July 2nd, 2019, 2:31 pm By a show of hands, how many here actually read the hundreds of random, cherry picked scriptures plastered on the board to supposedly prove some point that the one and only, I AM is trying to make?

And how many just scroll-on-by like I do, because they don’t have the time (nor the desire) to try and decipher what he’s trying to say. Because every time you do, it doesn’t add up anyway?

Just curious.
He's the only poster I have blocked. Against my better judgment I now and then read snippets of the stuff he coughs up. If you've read one of his posts you've pretty much read them all.
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definitely sounds like a typical Mormon,
considering that most of my posts are scripture.
And Morons don't read scriptures - must be too proud to read God's word.
I guess - "when you've read one scripture - you've read em all"
hmm... sounds like the mentality of the modern -day Mormon.
Don't be mad. You have plenty of mindless lemmings here who are devoted to you. And I read my scriptures, your worship. We read the Book of Mormon as a family (I'm not sure if that's accepted scripture to you or not, it's hard to see where your apostasy begins and ends, though I'm sure the Isaiah chapters are a-ok!!), and I'm committed to reading the OT this year! Just started 1 Kings! Oh, and this will really give you a woody: some time ago I ordered and read Gileadi's Apocalyptic Commentary of the Book of Isaiah! You see, it's not the scriptures I have a problem with, it's nut-jobs.

Re: true prophets

Posted: July 2nd, 2019, 3:22 pm
by ori
justme wrote: July 2nd, 2019, 2:35 pm
RocknRoll wrote: July 2nd, 2019, 2:31 pm By a show of hands, how many here actually read the hundreds of random, cherry picked scriptures plastered on the board to supposedly prove some point that the one and only, I AM is trying to make?

And how many just scroll-on-by like I do, because they don’t have the time (nor the desire) to try and decipher what he’s trying to say. Because every time you do, it doesn’t add up anyway?

Just curious.
I never read more than the first line or two and then scan as I scroll by. I sometimes think he is really just a bot that regurgitates the same scriptures and quotes at random.
Same. I scroll past most of his posts. And I don’t watch his videos , they’re very “out there”

Re: true prophets

Posted: July 2nd, 2019, 3:27 pm
by ori
I don’t have a problem with anyone posting scriptures. It’s the interpretations that I may disagree with. The Blasphemous name poster has a particular interest in the “drunkards of Ephraim” and his particular interpretation. I just get tired of the same scriptures posted over and over.

Yes, scriptures are good. Reading them is essential. But focusing with blinders on a small subset of them and pushing a heretical agenda.... well, that’s not a good recipe.

Re: true prophets

Posted: July 2nd, 2019, 3:35 pm
by I AM
gangbusters wrote: July 2nd, 2019, 3:04 pm
I AM wrote: July 2nd, 2019, 2:58 pm
gangbusters wrote: July 2nd, 2019, 2:35 pm
RocknRoll wrote: July 2nd, 2019, 2:31 pm By a show of hands, how many here actually read the hundreds of random, cherry picked scriptures plastered on the board to supposedly prove some point that the one and only, I AM is trying to make?

And how many just scroll-on-by like I do, because they don’t have the time (nor the desire) to try and decipher what he’s trying to say. Because every time you do, it doesn’t add up anyway?

Just curious.
He's the only poster I have blocked. Against my better judgment I now and then read snippets of the stuff he coughs up. If you've read one of his posts you've pretty much read them all.
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definitely sounds like a typical Mormon,
considering that most of my posts are scripture.
And Morons don't read scriptures - must be too proud to read God's word.
I guess - "when you've read one scripture - you've read em all"
hmm... sounds like the mentality of the modern -day Mormon.
Don't be mad. You have plenty of mindless lemmings here who are devoted to you. And I read my scriptures, your worship. We read the Book of Mormon as a family (I'm not sure if that's accepted scripture to you or not, it's hard to see where your apostasy begins and ends, though I'm sure the Isaiah chapters are a-ok!!), and I'm committed to reading the OT this year! Just started 1 Kings! Oh, and this will really give you a woody: some time ago I ordered and read Gileadi's Apocalyptic Commentary of the Book of Isaiah! You see, it's not the scriptures I have a problem with, it's nut-jobs.
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OT :roll:
that sounds about par for the course.

Isaiah in the OT is important because it's referring to our time,
but why don't you try reading something
just a little bit more relevant to are time,
Shouldn't we all be reading all the warnings
in our scriptures that are directed to us at this time ?
I know it's hard to even want to look at scriptures
that condemn the church and it members, but try.

Re: true prophets

Posted: July 2nd, 2019, 3:41 pm
by gangbusters
I AM wrote: July 2nd, 2019, 3:35 pm
gangbusters wrote: July 2nd, 2019, 3:04 pm
I AM wrote: July 2nd, 2019, 2:58 pm
gangbusters wrote: July 2nd, 2019, 2:35 pm

He's the only poster I have blocked. Against my better judgment I now and then read snippets of the stuff he coughs up. If you've read one of his posts you've pretty much read them all.
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definitely sounds like a typical Mormon,
considering that most of my posts are scripture.
And Morons don't read scriptures - must be too proud to read God's word.
I guess - "when you've read one scripture - you've read em all"
hmm... sounds like the mentality of the modern -day Mormon.
Don't be mad. You have plenty of mindless lemmings here who are devoted to you. And I read my scriptures, your worship. We read the Book of Mormon as a family (I'm not sure if that's accepted scripture to you or not, it's hard to see where your apostasy begins and ends, though I'm sure the Isaiah chapters are a-ok!!), and I'm committed to reading the OT this year! Just started 1 Kings! Oh, and this will really give you a woody: some time ago I ordered and read Gileadi's Apocalyptic Commentary of the Book of Isaiah! You see, it's not the scriptures I have a problem with, it's nut-jobs.
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OT :roll:
that sounds about par for the course.

Isaiah is important because it's referring to our time,
so why don't you try reading something
just a little bit more relevant to are time,
Shouldn't we all be reading all the warnings
in our scriptures that are directed to us at this time ?
I know it's hard to even want to look at scriptures
that condemn the church and it members, but try.
I read all the scriptures, apostate. You stay in your negative, cloistered, stifled world. I'll stay in mine, however you choose to characterize it is fine by me.

Re: true prophets

Posted: July 2nd, 2019, 5:52 pm
by I AM
it DOES seem a waste of breath for the Lord -
to post His words in an LDS forum,
where members could care less about them,
and what little scriptures they DO read,
they always think they're the good guys,
that "all is well in Zion"
and that the warnings and condemning things
in the scriptures, are meant just for those bad Gentiles ( whoever they are)

"So long as we think of ourselves as the "good guys" in whatever scriptural scenario we are studying, for example, we will learn very little from the scriptures."

Re: true prophets

Posted: July 2nd, 2019, 5:54 pm
by abijah
I AM you have three simultaneous threads bashing the church going on at once that I can count. Chill out.

Re: true prophets

Posted: July 2nd, 2019, 6:48 pm
by I AM
wonder why ?
Maybe the Lord and the prophets in these scriptures I post
want to get their words out.
And it's not me that "bashing", if that's what you think.
I just post scriptures.
So if you don't like all the scriptures that are "bashing" the church,
maybe you should ask yourself why - and why these scriptures
are condeming the church and it leaders,
and take that up with the Lord and ask the prophets that wrote them
and not me.

Re: true prophets

Posted: July 3rd, 2019, 12:13 am
by Bronco73idi
I AM wrote: July 2nd, 2019, 2:12 pm
Bronco73idi wrote: July 2nd, 2019, 12:49 pm
I AM wrote: July 2nd, 2019, 12:20 am I may not be this servant, but I'm doing the works of one.
So if you're going to judge me, judge me by my works.

maybe you haven't heard this one.

Isaiah 58
1 Proclaim it aloud without restraint;
raise your voice like a trumpet!
Declare to my people their transgressions,
to the house of Jacob its sins.


As the task of Jehovah’s servant is to restore justice in the earth (Isaiah 42:1-4), he informs the Jacob/Israel category of Jehovah’s people of its sins and transgressions (Isaiah 48:1).
In that role, he acts as Jehovah’s voice to his people: “Who among you fears Jehovah and heeds the voice of his servant” (
Isaiah 50:10).
He is likewise the trumpet that announces Jehovah’s coming and the ensign that rallies them: “All you who live in the world, you inhabitants of the earth, look to the ensign when it is lifted up in the mountains; heed the trumpet when sounded!” (Isaiah 18:3; emphasis added; cf. 62:10-11).

Avraham Gileadi Ph.D.

Word links to a “servant” in the Book of Isaiah are two kinds: (1) God’s collective servant—his people Israel; and (2) his individual servant—Jehovah’s forerunner who restores his people to prepare them for Jehovah’s coming to reign on the earth: (1) “Ponder these things, O Jacob, and you, O Israel, for you are my servant. I have created you to be my servant, O Israel (Isaiah 44:21; cf. 41:8–9; 44:1–2); (2)
“My servant whom I sustain, my chosen one in whom I delight, him I have endowed with my Spirit; he will dispense justice to the nations” (Isaiah 42:1).

The setting for Jehovah’s calling his individual servant is his collective servant’s slide into apostasy: “O you deaf, listen; O you blind, look and see! Who is blind but my own servant, or so deaf as the messenger I have sent? Who is blind like those I have commissioned, as uncomprehending as the servant of Jehovah—seeing much but not giving heed, with open ears hearing nothing?” (Isaiah 42:18–20):
“Proclaim it aloud without restraint; raise your voice like a trumpet! Declare to my people their transgressions, to the house of Jacob its sins” (Isaiah 58:1).

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and if in many scriptures in Isaiah, like below where Isaiah compares the leaders of the church
to "dumb watchdogs", you can see why I speak the way I do about the church and leaders.
It's not me that is saying it, I'm only quoting Isaiah, Christ, and other prophets in our scriptures.


Isaiah Predicts End-Time Prophets and Seers

Isaiah—a prophet and seer who saw to the end of time—predicts that prophets and seers will exist in that future day. These persons fall into two categories.
First are those who have “gone astray,” who “err as seers” (Isaiah 28:7), “prophets who teach falsehoods” (Isaiah 9:15), whose eyes God closes because of the wickedness of his people (Isaiah 29:10).
These watchmen of God’s people are “blind and unaware; all of them but dumb watchdogs unable to bark, lolling seers fond of slumber. Gluttonous dogs, and insatiable, such indeed are insensible shepherds.
They are all diverted to their own way, every one after his own advantage”
(Isaiah 56:10–11).

Second are “watchmen” who prophesy in the day of power, when God “bares his holy arm in the eyes of all nations” (Isaiah 51:9–11; 52:8, 10). They stand on the watchtower day and night, are “most vigilant” and “fully alert” to approaching dangers, and report what they “see” and “hear” (Isaiah 21:6–10). They herald Jehovah’s coming to reign on the earth and prepare God’s people for their end-time exodus out of Babylon to Zion (Isaiah 52:7–8, 11–12; compare 48:20–21). They “raise their voice as one” at the time Jehovah comes (Isaiah 52:8). They call upon God without ceasing for the welfare of his people and don’t keep silent day or night (Isaiah 62:6–7).



Isaiah 56

9 All you wild beasts, you animals of the forest,
come and devour!
10 Their watchmen are altogether blind and unaware;
all of them are but dumb watchdogs unable to bark,
lolling seers fond of slumber.

Typifying the leaders of Jehovah’s people who make a Covenant with Death instead of a Covenant of Life (Isaiah 28:15, 18), or Jehovah’s wife who turns adulterous (Isaiah 1:21; 50:1), are certain “watchmen”—prophets and seers—who occupy the highest rung of society. Because they epitomize “dumb watchdogs” and “lolling seers,Jehovah replaces them with a righteous watchman—his servant—and other watchmen: “Go and appoint a watchman who reports what he sees” (Isaiah 21:6); “I have appointed watchmen on your walls, O Jerusalem, who shall not be silent day or night” (Isaiah 62:6).

As the job of Jehovah’s watchmen is to report to his people what they see and hear (Isaiah 21:10; 48:16), those who are blind and unaware see and hear little of consequence and fail to warn his people: “Who is blind but my own servant, or so deaf as the messenger I have sent? Who is blind like those I have commissioned, as uncomprehending as the servant of Jehovah—seeing much but not giving heed, with open ears hearing nothing?” (Isaiah 42:19-20. The final fate of the blind watchmen, literally and figuratively, is to be devoured by wild beasts—a covenant curse (Isaiah 5:29; 15:9; 51:8).

11 Gluttonous dogs, and insatiable,
such indeed are insensible shepherds.
They are all diverted to their own way,
every one after his own advantage.
12 Come, they say, let us get wine
and have our fill of liquor.
For tomorrow will be like today, only far better!

Instead of portraying these watchmen as ones who feed and protect the flock (Isaiah 5:17; 40:11; 63:11), the imagery of shepherds as dogs characterizes them as predators and unclean animals (Psalm 22:16; 1 Kings 14:11; Matthew 7:6). Instead of warning of trouble as Jehovah’s Day of Judgment approaches, they resemble wanton herdsmen who scatter the sheep and feed themselves off the fattest (Jeremiah 23:1-2; 50:6-7; Ezekiel 34:1-8). Instead of serving as proxy saviors to Jehovah’s people under the terms of the Davidic Covenant (Isaiah 37:35; 63:17; 65:8), they look out for themselves.

Word links round out the shepherds’ recriminatory state: “These too have indulged in wine and are giddy with strong drink: priests and prophets have gone astray through liquor. They are intoxicated with wine and stagger because of strong drink; they err as seers, they blunder in their decisions” (Isaiah 28:7); “Procrastinate, and become bewildered; preoccupy yourselves, until you cry for help. Be drunk, but not with wine; stagger, but not from strong drink. Jehovah has poured out on you a spirit of deep sleep: he has shut your eyes, the prophets; he has covered your heads, the seers” (Isaiah 29:9-10).


Eunuchs, Aliens—God’s End-Time Servants

The major end-time role certain “servants” of God fulfill in preparing a people for the coming of Jehovah to reign on the earth begs the question, Who are these servants and where do they come from? Because they first appear in the Book of Isaiah (Isaiah 54:17; 56:6; 63:17; 65:8–9, 13–15; 66:14) after God commissions his end-time servant (Isaiah 41:27; 42:1; 44:26; 49:3–6; 50:10; 52:13; 53:11), the servant’s connection with them seems self-evident. Parallel roles of God’s servant and these additional servants confirm this—what he does, they do: as he serves as a proxy savior to God’s people (Isaiah 42:6; 49:3–13), so do they (Isaiah 63:17; 65:8).

Terms designating God’s servants also appear after God’s servant begins his mission. These include God’s “watchmen” who herald Jehovah’s coming to reign on the earth (Isaiah 52:7–8); God’s “priests” and “ministers” who mourn in Zion and endure persecution (Isaiah 61:3–7); and (spiritual) “kings” and “queens” of the Gentiles who gather God’s sons and daughters from exile in a great end-time exodus to Zion (Isaiah 49:10–12, 17–23; 60:3–4, 9–11, 16). Most telling are certain “eunuchs” and “aliens” who “hold fast to my covenant,” who “choose to do what I will” so “that they may be his servants” (Isaiah 56:3–6; emphasis added; compare Matthew 19:12).
I don’t know you to judge you, I know the words of the lord are elegant or sharp. Yours are neither, they are all over the map like anger.

Take a deep breath and be sharp only when you need to be, be elegant all other times.

Man thinks respect is earned.

What did the lord show us when he sat with the wicked?
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and the Lord said -
"O faithless generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you?"
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword."

sorry my friend, but these are not my words,
but the words of the Lord I'm quoting in the scriptures I posted.
so It's not me at all that you would be judging;
it would be the Lord.
Are judging me that I’m apart of the faithless generation because I told you that your post are not organized and elegant? If it isn’t of the one it’s of the other. Would the lord talk like you do?

Re: true prophets

Posted: July 3rd, 2019, 1:13 am
by BeNotDeceived
RocknRoll wrote: July 2nd, 2019, 2:31 pm By a show of hands, how many here actually read the hundreds of random, cherry picked scriptures plastered on the board to supposedly prove some point that the one and only, I AM is trying to make?

And how many just scroll-on-by like I do, because they don’t have the time (nor the desire) to try and decipher what he’s trying to say. Because every time you do, it doesn’t add up anyway?

Just curious.
On occasion, I Am posts something of peculiar interest, similar to a precious needle in a large haystack. Perhaps much more is precious, but we fail to fully appreciate it, as we all glimpse a different perspective through a glass colored darkly. Same can be said for many of the tender mercies abundantly present if we have the faculties to appreciate these little glimmers of light, like stars on a dark night.

Re: true prophets

Posted: July 3rd, 2019, 1:48 am
by abijah
BeNotDeceived wrote: July 3rd, 2019, 1:13 amOn occasion, I Am posts something of peculiar interest, similar to a precious needle in a large haystack. Perhaps much more is precious, but we fail to fully appreciate it, as we all glimpse a different perspective through a glass colored darkly. Same can be said for many of the tender mercies abundantly present if we have the faculties to appreciate these little glimmers of light, like stars on a dark night.
Wonderfully said.

Re: true prophets

Posted: July 3rd, 2019, 4:12 am
by Eulate
I believe many Anglo-Saxons are Ephraim. And many of the members of the Church are Ephraim as well. But I don't think the majority of the members are drunkards because they perhaps are not awaken to our awful situation and to the short period of time for the second coming of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ prophecied that both the unwise and the wise virgins are slumbering. Yes, all of them need to wake up, but half are ready with their oil. It's like when a soldier is sleeping dressed up & next to his gun. With the sound of a trumpet he will wake up in a second & will be ready to fight with his gun in two seconds. It's annoying having everyone around you thinking that there are several decades left for the second coming of Jesus Christ, but half of the members are worthy & ready even if unaware of what is coming or how soon is coming. In this forum we are the ones that watch for the signs and to whom the second coming won't take us as a thief in the night, though we don't know the exact time.

Re: true prophets

Posted: July 3rd, 2019, 8:26 am
by I AM
Bronco73idi wrote: July 3rd, 2019, 12:13 am
I AM wrote: July 2nd, 2019, 2:12 pm
Bronco73idi wrote: July 2nd, 2019, 12:49 pm
I AM wrote: July 2nd, 2019, 12:20 am I may not be this servant, but I'm doing the works of one.
So if you're going to judge me, judge me by my works.

maybe you haven't heard this one.

Isaiah 58
1 Proclaim it aloud without restraint;
raise your voice like a trumpet!
Declare to my people their transgressions,
to the house of Jacob its sins.


As the task of Jehovah’s servant is to restore justice in the earth (Isaiah 42:1-4), he informs the Jacob/Israel category of Jehovah’s people of its sins and transgressions (Isaiah 48:1).
In that role, he acts as Jehovah’s voice to his people: “Who among you fears Jehovah and heeds the voice of his servant” (
Isaiah 50:10).
He is likewise the trumpet that announces Jehovah’s coming and the ensign that rallies them: “All you who live in the world, you inhabitants of the earth, look to the ensign when it is lifted up in the mountains; heed the trumpet when sounded!” (Isaiah 18:3; emphasis added; cf. 62:10-11).

Avraham Gileadi Ph.D.

Word links to a “servant” in the Book of Isaiah are two kinds: (1) God’s collective servant—his people Israel; and (2) his individual servant—Jehovah’s forerunner who restores his people to prepare them for Jehovah’s coming to reign on the earth: (1) “Ponder these things, O Jacob, and you, O Israel, for you are my servant. I have created you to be my servant, O Israel (Isaiah 44:21; cf. 41:8–9; 44:1–2); (2)
“My servant whom I sustain, my chosen one in whom I delight, him I have endowed with my Spirit; he will dispense justice to the nations” (Isaiah 42:1).

The setting for Jehovah’s calling his individual servant is his collective servant’s slide into apostasy: “O you deaf, listen; O you blind, look and see! Who is blind but my own servant, or so deaf as the messenger I have sent? Who is blind like those I have commissioned, as uncomprehending as the servant of Jehovah—seeing much but not giving heed, with open ears hearing nothing?” (Isaiah 42:18–20):
“Proclaim it aloud without restraint; raise your voice like a trumpet! Declare to my people their transgressions, to the house of Jacob its sins” (Isaiah 58:1).

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and if in many scriptures in Isaiah, like below where Isaiah compares the leaders of the church
to "dumb watchdogs", you can see why I speak the way I do about the church and leaders.
It's not me that is saying it, I'm only quoting Isaiah, Christ, and other prophets in our scriptures.


Isaiah Predicts End-Time Prophets and Seers

Isaiah—a prophet and seer who saw to the end of time—predicts that prophets and seers will exist in that future day. These persons fall into two categories.
First are those who have “gone astray,” who “err as seers” (Isaiah 28:7), “prophets who teach falsehoods” (Isaiah 9:15), whose eyes God closes because of the wickedness of his people (Isaiah 29:10).
These watchmen of God’s people are “blind and unaware; all of them but dumb watchdogs unable to bark, lolling seers fond of slumber. Gluttonous dogs, and insatiable, such indeed are insensible shepherds.
They are all diverted to their own way, every one after his own advantage”
(Isaiah 56:10–11).

Second are “watchmen” who prophesy in the day of power, when God “bares his holy arm in the eyes of all nations” (Isaiah 51:9–11; 52:8, 10). They stand on the watchtower day and night, are “most vigilant” and “fully alert” to approaching dangers, and report what they “see” and “hear” (Isaiah 21:6–10). They herald Jehovah’s coming to reign on the earth and prepare God’s people for their end-time exodus out of Babylon to Zion (Isaiah 52:7–8, 11–12; compare 48:20–21). They “raise their voice as one” at the time Jehovah comes (Isaiah 52:8). They call upon God without ceasing for the welfare of his people and don’t keep silent day or night (Isaiah 62:6–7).



Isaiah 56

9 All you wild beasts, you animals of the forest,
come and devour!
10 Their watchmen are altogether blind and unaware;
all of them are but dumb watchdogs unable to bark,
lolling seers fond of slumber.

Typifying the leaders of Jehovah’s people who make a Covenant with Death instead of a Covenant of Life (Isaiah 28:15, 18), or Jehovah’s wife who turns adulterous (Isaiah 1:21; 50:1), are certain “watchmen”—prophets and seers—who occupy the highest rung of society. Because they epitomize “dumb watchdogs” and “lolling seers,Jehovah replaces them with a righteous watchman—his servant—and other watchmen: “Go and appoint a watchman who reports what he sees” (Isaiah 21:6); “I have appointed watchmen on your walls, O Jerusalem, who shall not be silent day or night” (Isaiah 62:6).

As the job of Jehovah’s watchmen is to report to his people what they see and hear (Isaiah 21:10; 48:16), those who are blind and unaware see and hear little of consequence and fail to warn his people: “Who is blind but my own servant, or so deaf as the messenger I have sent? Who is blind like those I have commissioned, as uncomprehending as the servant of Jehovah—seeing much but not giving heed, with open ears hearing nothing?” (Isaiah 42:19-20. The final fate of the blind watchmen, literally and figuratively, is to be devoured by wild beasts—a covenant curse (Isaiah 5:29; 15:9; 51:8).

11 Gluttonous dogs, and insatiable,
such indeed are insensible shepherds.
They are all diverted to their own way,
every one after his own advantage.
12 Come, they say, let us get wine
and have our fill of liquor.
For tomorrow will be like today, only far better!

Instead of portraying these watchmen as ones who feed and protect the flock (Isaiah 5:17; 40:11; 63:11), the imagery of shepherds as dogs characterizes them as predators and unclean animals (Psalm 22:16; 1 Kings 14:11; Matthew 7:6). Instead of warning of trouble as Jehovah’s Day of Judgment approaches, they resemble wanton herdsmen who scatter the sheep and feed themselves off the fattest (Jeremiah 23:1-2; 50:6-7; Ezekiel 34:1-8). Instead of serving as proxy saviors to Jehovah’s people under the terms of the Davidic Covenant (Isaiah 37:35; 63:17; 65:8), they look out for themselves.

Word links round out the shepherds’ recriminatory state: “These too have indulged in wine and are giddy with strong drink: priests and prophets have gone astray through liquor. They are intoxicated with wine and stagger because of strong drink; they err as seers, they blunder in their decisions” (Isaiah 28:7); “Procrastinate, and become bewildered; preoccupy yourselves, until you cry for help. Be drunk, but not with wine; stagger, but not from strong drink. Jehovah has poured out on you a spirit of deep sleep: he has shut your eyes, the prophets; he has covered your heads, the seers” (Isaiah 29:9-10).


Eunuchs, Aliens—God’s End-Time Servants

The major end-time role certain “servants” of God fulfill in preparing a people for the coming of Jehovah to reign on the earth begs the question, Who are these servants and where do they come from? Because they first appear in the Book of Isaiah (Isaiah 54:17; 56:6; 63:17; 65:8–9, 13–15; 66:14) after God commissions his end-time servant (Isaiah 41:27; 42:1; 44:26; 49:3–6; 50:10; 52:13; 53:11), the servant’s connection with them seems self-evident. Parallel roles of God’s servant and these additional servants confirm this—what he does, they do: as he serves as a proxy savior to God’s people (Isaiah 42:6; 49:3–13), so do they (Isaiah 63:17; 65:8).

Terms designating God’s servants also appear after God’s servant begins his mission. These include God’s “watchmen” who herald Jehovah’s coming to reign on the earth (Isaiah 52:7–8); God’s “priests” and “ministers” who mourn in Zion and endure persecution (Isaiah 61:3–7); and (spiritual) “kings” and “queens” of the Gentiles who gather God’s sons and daughters from exile in a great end-time exodus to Zion (Isaiah 49:10–12, 17–23; 60:3–4, 9–11, 16). Most telling are certain “eunuchs” and “aliens” who “hold fast to my covenant,” who “choose to do what I will” so “that they may be his servants” (Isaiah 56:3–6; emphasis added; compare Matthew 19:12).
I don’t know you to judge you, I know the words of the lord are elegant or sharp. Yours are neither, they are all over the map like anger.

Take a deep breath and be sharp only when you need to be, be elegant all other times.

Man thinks respect is earned.

What did the lord show us when he sat with the wicked?
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and the Lord said -
"O faithless generation, how long shall I be with you? how long shall I suffer you?"
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword."

sorry my friend, but these are not my words,
but the words of the Lord I'm quoting in the scriptures I posted.
so It's not me at all that you would be judging;
it would be the Lord.
Are judging me that I’m apart of the faithless generation because I told you that your post are not organized and elegant? If it isn’t of the one it’s of the other. Would the lord talk like you do?
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yes
those were His words that I quoted- not mine.
so yes, the Lord DOES talk that way.
but as far as His words that I quoted,
" how long shall I be with you?" how long shall I suffer you?"
is because that's how I feel, because people don't believe,
even though I continue to put forth the words of Christ,
they only mock.

Re: true prophets

Posted: July 3rd, 2019, 8:28 am
by justme
Eulate wrote: July 3rd, 2019, 4:12 am I believe many Anglo-Saxons are Ephraim. And many of the members of the Church are Ephraim as well. But I don't think the majority of the members are drunkards because they perhaps are not awaken to our awful situation and to the short period of time for the second coming of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ prophecied that both the unwise and the wise virgins are slumbering. Yes, all of them need to wake up, but half are ready with their oil. It's like when a soldier is sleeping dressed up & next to his gun. With the sound of a trumpet he will wake up in a second & will be ready to fight with his gun in two seconds. It's annoying having everyone around you thinking that there are several decades left for the second coming of Jesus Christ, but half of the members are worthy & ready even if unaware of what is coming or how soon is coming. In this forum we are the ones that watch for the signs and to whom the second coming won't take us as a thief in the night, though we don't know the exact time.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if it was centuries not decades.

Re: true prophets

Posted: July 3rd, 2019, 8:33 am
by I AM
gangbusters wrote: July 2nd, 2019, 3:41 pm
I AM wrote: July 2nd, 2019, 3:35 pm
gangbusters wrote: July 2nd, 2019, 3:04 pm
I AM wrote: July 2nd, 2019, 2:58 pm
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definitely sounds like a typical Mormon,
considering that most of my posts are scripture.
And Morons don't read scriptures - must be too proud to read God's word.
I guess - "when you've read one scripture - you've read em all"
hmm... sounds like the mentality of the modern -day Mormon.
Don't be mad. You have plenty of mindless lemmings here who are devoted to you. And I read my scriptures, your worship. We read the Book of Mormon as a family (I'm not sure if that's accepted scripture to you or not, it's hard to see where your apostasy begins and ends, though I'm sure the Isaiah chapters are a-ok!!), and I'm committed to reading the OT this year! Just started 1 Kings! Oh, and this will really give you a woody: some time ago I ordered and read Gileadi's Apocalyptic Commentary of the Book of Isaiah! You see, it's not the scriptures I have a problem with, it's nut-jobs.
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OT :roll:
that sounds about par for the course.

Isaiah is important because it's referring to our time,
so why don't you try reading something
just a little bit more relevant to are time,
Shouldn't we all be reading all the warnings
in our scriptures that are directed to us at this time ?
I know it's hard to even want to look at scriptures
that condemn the church and it members, but try.
I read all the scriptures, apostate. You stay in your negative, cloistered, stifled world. I'll stay in mine, however you choose to characterize it is fine by me.
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Interesting how I can be called an apostate for standing up
for the scriptures and quoting Christ.

those that would only mock because someone like me
that cares enough, and thinks the words of Christ
are important enough for others to read,
should consider what spirit they follow.

Re: true prophets

Posted: July 3rd, 2019, 8:50 am
by Doc
I AM wrote: July 2nd, 2019, 6:48 pm wonder why ?
Maybe the Lord and the prophets in these scriptures I post
want to get their words out.
And it's not me that "bashing", if that's what you think.
I just post scriptures.
So if you don't like all the scriptures that are "bashing" the church,
maybe you should ask yourself why - and why these scriptures
are condeming the church and it leaders,
and take that up with the Lord and ask the prophets that wrote them
and not me.
The problem is not you quoting scripture...the problem is your erroneous interpretation and application thereof. You’re looking at the world through a monocle. All isn’t well in Zion, but there is good in this world and it’s worth fighting for. So instead of trying to push people down, pull people up for once. Jesus didn’t come in the world just to testify of the awful state we’re in...He loved, He healed, and He taught us who God really is.

Re: true prophets

Posted: July 3rd, 2019, 9:55 am
by I AM
Doc wrote: July 3rd, 2019, 8:50 am
I AM wrote: July 2nd, 2019, 6:48 pm wonder why ?
Maybe the Lord and the prophets in these scriptures I post
want to get their words out.
And it's not me that "bashing", if that's what you think.
I just post scriptures.
So if you don't like all the scriptures that are "bashing" the church,
maybe you should ask yourself why - and why these scriptures
are condeming the church and it leaders,
and take that up with the Lord and ask the prophets that wrote them
and not me.
The problem is not you quoting scripture...the problem is your erroneous interpretation and application thereof. You’re looking at the world through a monocle. All isn’t well in Zion, but there is good in this world and it’s worth fighting for. So instead of trying to push people down, pull people up for once. Jesus didn’t come in the world just to testify of the awful state we’re in...He loved, He healed, and He taught us who God really is.
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you're wrong brother,
you don't even need my so-called "erroneous interpretation and application" of them.
The scriptures speak for themselves, if you let them.
And it's not pushing people down quoting scriptures
that are trying to warn us.
In fact, it's why they are there, and what we need to be reading,
to wake up, and be aware and read them, so we can change, instead of thinking
that all these scriptures are not for us, because we are the Lord's chosen,
and only apply to non-members .

And Jesus isn't just about love and mercy,
He is also a God of justice.
"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword."
Jesus isn't this celestial Santa Claus like most people think,
where they sit on His lap and ask for something,
and He says okay, because I love you so much.

Just because we have the restored gospel.
That, just as the children of Abraham said:
"we are the children of Abraham that God
has covenanted with and that he would bless
his seed forever."
Us members say -
"We have the restored gospel and it will
never be taken from the earth again."

Matthew 3:9 (KJV)
9 And think not to say within yourselves,
We have Abraham to our father:
for I say unto you, that God is able
of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

It won't be taken from the earth again.
The Lord will take it FROM us.
"I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them."

3 Nephi 16:10,11,12
10 And thus commandeth the Father that I should say unto you: At that day when the Gentiles shall sin against my gospel, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, and shall be lifted up in the pride of their hearts above all nations, and above all the people of the whole earth, and shall be filled with all manner of lyings, and of deceits, and of mischiefs, and all manner of hypocrisy, and murders, and priestcrafts, and whoredoms, and of secret abominations; and if they shall do all those things, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, behold, saith the Father,
I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them.

11 And then will I remember my covenant which I have made unto my people, O house of Israel, and I will bring my gospel unto them.
12 And I will show unto thee, O house of Israel, that the Gentiles shall not have power over you; but I will remember my covenant unto you, O house of Israel, and ye shall come unto the knowledge of the fulness of my gospel.

Re: true prophets

Posted: July 3rd, 2019, 10:02 am
by I AM
justme wrote: July 3rd, 2019, 8:28 am
Eulate wrote: July 3rd, 2019, 4:12 am I believe many Anglo-Saxons are Ephraim. And many of the members of the Church are Ephraim as well. But I don't think the majority of the members are drunkards because they perhaps are not awaken to our awful situation and to the short period of time for the second coming of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ prophecied that both the unwise and the wise virgins are slumbering. Yes, all of them need to wake up, but half are ready with their oil. It's like when a soldier is sleeping dressed up & next to his gun. With the sound of a trumpet he will wake up in a second & will be ready to fight with his gun in two seconds. It's annoying having everyone around you thinking that there are several decades left for the second coming of Jesus Christ, but half of the members are worthy & ready even if unaware of what is coming or how soon is coming. In this forum we are the ones that watch for the signs and to whom the second coming won't take us as a thief in the night, though we don't know the exact time.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if it was centuries not decades.
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now I see why you are where you are

Re: true prophets

Posted: July 3rd, 2019, 10:14 am
by I AM
Ether 2:11,12)
11 “And this cometh unto you, O ye Gentiles, that ye may know the decrees of God – that ye may repent, and not continue in your iniquities until the fulness come, that ye may not bring down the fulness of the wrath of God upon you as the inhabitants of the land have hitherto done.
12 Behold, this is a choice land, and whatsoever nation shall possess it shall be free from bondage, and from captivity, and from all other nations under heaven, if they will but serve the God of the land, who is Jesus Christ, who hath been manifested by the things which we have written.”

Re: true prophets

Posted: July 3rd, 2019, 10:19 am
by justme
It seems to be human nature yet I would think an immature side of it to think we are special. That is why people for so long fought against the heliocentric model since "obviously" we are the center of the solar system if not universe. This also manifests itself in a preoccupation that our time on earth is important or central. In our church culture it lends itself to the idea that the end is near, definitely within our lifetime. Problem is people have thought that since the resurrection. Even in our latter days people have thought the end was near, like 1890 and so forth. But our grandparents have come and gone and it didn't happen in their lifetime, why is ours different.

I remember looking forward to 1984 to see how close Orwell had his predictions. Then people were all worked up about 2000. In the church people were looking at April 6, 2003 since that was the first year of the millennium where April 6 was on a Sunday. Then there was the 2012 hype. And on and on and yet we are still here.

The Book of Mormon people were constantly warned that they would be destroyed when they were ripe. But that took a thousand years. God time is not our time and we are not special. So like I have said before and above. I think it will be at least decades if not centuries.

Re: true prophets

Posted: July 3rd, 2019, 10:22 am
by I AM
Eulate wrote: July 3rd, 2019, 4:12 am I believe many Anglo-Saxons are Ephraim. And many of the members of the Church are Ephraim as well. But I don't think the majority of the members are drunkards because they perhaps are not awaken to our awful situation and to the short period of time for the second coming of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ prophecied that both the unwise and the wise virgins are slumbering. Yes, all of them need to wake up, but half are ready with their oil. It's like when a soldier is sleeping dressed up & next to his gun. With the sound of a trumpet he will wake up in a second & will be ready to fight with his gun in two seconds. It's annoying having everyone around you thinking that there are several decades left for the second coming of Jesus Christ, but half of the members are worthy & ready even if unaware of what is coming or how soon is coming. In this forum we are the ones that watch for the signs and to whom the second coming won't take us as a thief in the night, though we don't know the exact time.
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doesn't matter.
we are all Gentiles
and the warnings in the scriptures are for us.

and it's true what you said -
"It's annoying having everyone around you thinking that there are several decades left for the second coming of Jesus Christ"

and as I have said -
"I will guarantee you, and bet everything I have ,
that America will fall prey to the "King of Assyria" (Russia)
in the next 3 years, (if not sooner)
and no one will be able to recognize America after that.

Re: true prophets

Posted: July 3rd, 2019, 10:31 am
by I AM
it's so obvious you don't read the scriptures.

I guess you haven't ever heard of the "abomination of desolation"
in the the book of Daniel, spoken of by Daniel and Jesus Christ.
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=51863&p=940718#p940718

3 1/2 + 3 1/2 = 7 year tribulation period.
And in the middle of this 7 years, is the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet"
starting the last 3 1/2 years, and is referred to by Jesus as “the great tribulation”..

*** please see below - (the 7 year tribulation period and abomination of desolation)

"Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes.
But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days!
And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath.
For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened."
Matthew 24:15-22

Notice that Jesus says that when you see this happen, there will be great tribulation, such as has never been seen before and will never be seen again.
This is why we refer to the last half of the seven-year tribulation
as “the great tribulation”.

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*** the 7 year tribulation period and abomination of desolation
https://jesus4evers.blogspot.com/2018/0 ... -when.html

Have you ever heard of the "abomination of desolation"
which will occur halfway through the tribulation and is also known
as "The Great Tribulation" -
the last half of the tribulation and is 3 ½ years in length
before the return of Jesus Christ.

The 7 year tribulations, and countdown to the coming of Christ will begin with the peace agreement with Israel,
which is either been already signed by the pope, or will be by Trump or someone else soon.
And in the middle of that, after 3 1/2 years will be the "abomination of desolation".

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Final 7 years: How we can know when the tribulation has begun

God has given mankind thousands of years to prove that we just aren’t capable of ruling ourselves. When a nation has a good ruler, things tend to go well for that nation but when it has a bad ruler, the nation suffers.

You and I are living in the last days of man’s rule on the earth right now. We are at the end of the church age and living on the precipice just before Christ returns to the earth to put down the kingdoms of men and rule the world. Things might seem bad now, and they are, but the Bible warns that before Jesus returns to the earth, things are going to get much worse. In fact, most of the prophecies that haven’t yet been fulfilled will be fulfilled during the final seven years just before Christ’s return. This final seven years is referred to as the tribulation and also as the seventieth week of Daniel.

Unlocking the tribulation timeline

To understand the end time prophecies, it’s helpful to look at the book of Daniel and the book of Revelation together. For example, because of Daniel’s writings, we know that the tribulation period (which is the period of time just before Christ returns to the earth) will be exactly seven years.

He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.
Daniel 9:27

Daniel’s prophecy tells us that the Antichrist will confirm a covenant (peace agreement) with many nations that will be effective for a period of one seven.
By connecting this verse to other scripture in the Bible, we know that this is referring to a period of seven years.
I’ll go into detail about how we know that a bit later in this message.

The focus of the peace agreement will be Israel. When we see this peace agreement take place, we will know that the countdown of the final seven years, known as the tribulation, has begun.

If you remember nothing else from this message, remember that this peace agreement is the single event that starts the seven year countdown to Christ’s return to the earth.

Daniel 9:27 also tells us that, in the middle of the final seven years, the Antichrist will set up an abomination in the temple that will cause the temple to become desolate until the Lord returns. He’s referring to the Jewish temple that will be built on the temple mount, most likely during the first half of the tribulation after the peace agreement has been made.

The Jews have been making preparations for rebuilding the temple for years. They already have a blueprint for rebuilding the temple on the original foundation on the temple mount where the last two Jewish temples stood. They’ve also created all the items needed to reinstate temple worship and animal sacrifices, which haven’t occurred since the second temple was destroyed by the Romans in 70 AD. We know that animal sacrifices will resume in Israel because Daniel 8:11-12Open in Logos Bible Software (if available) and Daniel 11:31Open in Logos Bible Software (if available) tells us that the Antichrist will put an end to them.

Jesus himself referred to Daniel’s prophecy and gave a specific warning to the Jews living in Judea (a region within Israel) who would see this prophecy come to pass.

Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.
Matthew 24:15-22

Notice that Jesus says that when you see this happen, there will be great tribulation, such as has never been seen before and will never be seen again.
This is why we refer to the last half of the seven-year tribulation as “the great tribulation”.

How we know that the tribulation is exactly seven years

After the Antichrist desecrates the Jewish temple, he will go on a rampage, persecuting the saints (those who have accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior).

He shall speak pompous words against the Most High,
Shall persecute the saints of the Most High,
And shall intend to change times and law.
Then the saints shall be given into his hand
For a time and times and half a time.
Daniel 7:25

How can we know what Daniel meant by “time and times and half a time”? How much time is that, exactly? The book of Revelation unlocks the answer for us.

Then the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there one thousand two hundred and sixty days.
Revelation 12:6

Unlike the Gregorian calendar that most of the world is on today, scripture is based on the Hebrew calendar which consists of 360 days per year. So, 1,260 days divided by 360 equals 3.5 or 3 1/2 years to the very day.

Another passage in Revelation refers to this period of time as 42 months which is also exactly three and a half years.

And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months.
Revelation 13:5

By knowing that the abomination of desolation will occur halfway through the tribulation and also knowing that the last half of the tribulation is 3 ½ years in length, we know that the period of time referenced in Daniel 9:27 is seven years.

Here are the key things to remember:

The tribulation will last for seven years and begins when the Antichrist confirms
a covenant (peace agreement) with many nations.
In the middle of the seven years, the Antichrist will set up an abomination that desecrates the temple in Jerusalem and he will put an end to animal sacrifices.
The Lord will return to the earth (Matthew 24:29–30

Re: true prophets

Posted: July 3rd, 2019, 10:36 am
by justme
A good example of my point.

I do agree that 3.5+3.5=7 though.

Re: true prophets

Posted: July 3rd, 2019, 10:42 am
by I AM
and that the 7 year tribulation period is about to start,
and countdown to the coming of Christ will begin
with the peace agreement with Israel.
The antichrist - "He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’

"The focus of the peace agreement will be Israel.
When we see this peace agreement take place, we will know that the countdown of the final seven years, known as the tribulation, has begun."