Book Give Away, Pay Shipping

[Peeps]

I posted this on Gen. Discussion board under the BoM geography poll thread, but thought it was more appropriate on this sub:

"Since I now believe the BoM is a work of fiction (and I might as well use a map of Middle Earth from Lord of the Rings to figure it out the geographical locations), I will give someone that is interested in this topic a book I have had for years. It is "The Life and Travels of Mormon and Moroni" by Jerry Ainsworth. I will also throw in several Nibley books, an illustrated "Jesus the Christ," "Old Testament Commentary" by Rasmussen, "Mesoamerica and the Book of Mormon--Is This the Place" by Lund, etc., depending on how much you want to spend on shipping. PM me if you're interested."

[dewajack]

It's nice of you to give them away. But it's sad to hear about your feelings about the Book of Mormon.

[larsenb]

Sad story, but a chance for someone interested in the Lund books to pick up his "Mesoamerica and the Book of Mormon--Is This the Place?", as well as the Ainsworth book.

Maybe you'll reconsider your course of action down the pike. I hope so.

[Peeps]

I'm keeping a book or two about unorthodox American history. I know the arguments of "antis" about the anachronisms, and I believe they are wrong. Eg: people did write on metal plates. There were horses here before the Spanish arrived, and the wheel (I think the Ainsworth book has a pic of a toy chariot). Coins have been found. Fair skinned, blue eyed Indian tribes did exist. The Bat Creek Stone and other examples of Hebrew writing have been found. Foundries that made steel, smelted copper, etc. Also a cave in the Grand Canyon with Egyptian types of scarcophogus, hieroglyphics, etc. The Smithsonian covers this stuff up, along with giant skeletons... But this stuff/evidence would support a North America model more than a Mesoamerican one.

So those usual argument antis use are not my perceived problem. It's the person who claimed to find the plates and translate it.

[Peeps]

It's nice of you to give them away. But it's sad to hear about your feelings about the Book of Mormon.

I still like the stories in the BoM. It's very adventurous. The King Benjamin sermon and the martydom of Abinadai still are inspiring to me. The conversion of Zeerom by Alma and Amulek, etc. I just don't believe those characters existed in real life.

[Peeps]

Its pretty cheap to ship via Media mail, or at least it used to be. I will box them up Monday and weigh them at the Post Office to get a rate.

[larsenb]

It's nice of you to give them away. But it's sad to hear about your feelings about the Book of Mormon.

I still like the stories in the BoM. It's very adventurous. The King Benjamin sermon and the martydom of Abinadai still are inspiring to me. The conversion of Zeerom by Alma and Amulek, etc. I just don't believe those characters existed in real life.

You should try one more book, titled Changes in Languages From Nephi to Now, 2106, by Brian Stubbs. In it he gives a synopsis of his much larger study showing some 1500 cognates between Hebrew/Aramaic/Egyptian and the Uto-Aztecan languages.

Powerful evidence of people speaking these original Semitic languages infusing into other groups in the New World over time. The Uto-Aztecan languages still exist from the Commanche in Texas to the Shoshone in Wyoming/Idaho, all the way down the west coast into Guatemala.

Read here what some well known linguists think about Stubbs' work: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=51843&start=60#p940958

[dewajack]

What about Mother Whitmer who was shown the plates by an Angel she called Bro. Nephi? There are also accounts of others seeing Moroni. Joseph F. Smith saw Nephites in his vision in D&C 138. There are also accounts of others seeing Adam and Eve with Joseph in vision. There are plenty of witnesses that saw actual scriptural people, although it doesn't really mean anything unless one receives a witness from Heaven. That just surprises me because it's not just Joseph who has seen actual Book of Mormon charactera. Even people living today have seen some.

[Peeps]

It's nice of you to give them away. But it's sad to hear about your feelings about the Book of Mormon.

I still like the stories in the BoM. It's very adventurous. The King Benjamin sermon and the martydom of Abinadai still are inspiring to me. The conversion of Zeerom by Alma and Amulek, etc. I just don't believe those characters existed in real life.

You should try one more book, titled Changes in Languages From Nephi to Now, 2106, by Brian Stubbs. In it he gives a synopsis of his much larger study showing some 1500 cognates between Hebrew/Aramaic/Egyptian and the Uto-Aztecan languages.

Powerful evidence of people speaking these original Semitic languages infusing into other groups in the New World over time. The Uto-Aztecan languages still exist from the Commanche in Texas to the Shoshone in Wyoming/Idaho, all the way down the west coast into Guatemala.

Read here what some well known linguists think about Stubbs' work: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=51843&start=60#p940958

I will read the link. People in JS's day knew more about ancient America's history than we do now. The Smithsonian has been covering up most of true history/archeaolgy.

[Peeps]

What about Mother Whitmer who was shown the plates by an Angel she called Bro. Nephi? There are also accounts of others seeing Moroni. Joseph F. Smith saw Nephites in his vision in D&C 138. There are also accounts of others seeing Adam and Eve with Joseph in vision. There are plenty of witnesses that saw actual scriptural people, although it doesn't really mean anything unless one receives a witness from Heaven. That just surprises me because it's not just Joseph who has seen actual Book of Mormon charactera. Even people living today have seen some.

Yes, I'm aware of all these testimonials. One of JS's hand written accounts stated he interacted with Nephi, then Nephi was crossed out and Moroni was written above it.

JS changed his mind a lot about his first vision, ontology of God, revelations in the D&C, then BY changed some Church history after JS was murdered. I don't doubt the claim that people have seen native American characters, the Spainards carted a lot of those writings off along with tons of gold in the 1500s. Probably still locked up in the Vatican. Lewis and Clark wrote about seeing native tribes with blonde hair and blue eyes while exploring the West. But this doesnt make a case for the BoM being authentic history.

I wish I had my stack of Ancient America magazines. I loaned them out, and never got them back. You might be interested in them:

http://ancientamerican.com/backissues.html

[Peeps]

I found another book, " Brother Paul's Mormon Bathroom Reader" lol. It's not in the best condition, but it can go with the lot too.

[larsenb]

It's nice of you to give them away. But it's sad to hear about your feelings about the Book of Mormon.

I still like the stories in the BoM. It's very adventurous. The King Benjamin sermon and the martydom of Abinadai still are inspiring to me. The conversion of Zeerom by Alma and Amulek, etc. I just don't believe those characters existed in real life.

You should try one more book, titled Changes in Languages From Nephi to Now, 2106, by Brian Stubbs. In it he gives a synopsis of his much larger study showing some 1500 cognates between Hebrew/Aramaic/Egyptian and the Uto-Aztecan languages.

Powerful evidence of people speaking these original Semitic languages infusing into other groups in the New World over time. The Uto-Aztecan languages still exist from the Commanche in Texas to the Shoshone in Wyoming/Idaho, all the way down the west coast into Guatemala.

Read here what some well known linguists think about Stubbs' work: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=51843&start=60#p940958

Here's a little faith-promoting story from the Stubbs book I mention. He threw in a few anecdotes like this into his book to show that the Book of Mormon should be taken seriously. Its from page 26:

"One last pair of interesting accounts are those of Robert F. Smith (p.c.) and John Tvedtnes (2001) [incidentally, Tvedtnes died w/in last two years -lb]. They took Biblical Hebrew courses from Haim Rabin at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem. Smith took a class for English speakers from . . Haim Rabin, a specialist in the history of the Hebrew language and president of the Hebrew Language Academy. Wanting to illustrate how Hebrew uses the conjunction 'and' much more than English, Rabin read a passage that Smith recognized as coming from the Book of Mormon. After reading it, Rabin said, "Now, some of you know the Bible well enough to know that this passage didn't come from the Bible. I used the Book of Mormon because it is a much better example of this than the English BIble."

Tvedtnes also took a class from Rabin, who admitted to John Tvedtnes that he [Rabin] considered the Book of Mormon a translation of an ancient Hebrew text."