The 50 Years of Sodom and Gomorrah

[mike_rumble]

I was still half asleep when I turned on my computer this morning, and opened my browser to it's default home page. There was the Google search enging, but today it was decorated with different colors and a duo of tiny marching people showing placards with tiny hearts. Something to do with the history of Canada, I suppose. I clicked on it, watching it move through the years from 1969 to the present. Still didn't register because the symbols were mostly hearts and mostly tiny. Finally got to the end and there it was . . .
Google was celebrating 50 years of pride in doing what God calls an abomination, and what the Apostle Paul calls unnatural. The links displayed talked of positivity and inclusiveness, of parades with colorful floats and beautiful participants, of a whole month now devoted to this particular sin before God. It is the only sin that is loudly supported not only by the general population, but also by our government leaders, our religious leaders and our policing authorities. Why only this particular sin?
In my city, small as it is, there will be a Pride parade with police and city council support. No doubt they will repaint the Pride crosswalks downtown and fly the Pride flag along side the provincial and national flags. Ever wonder why this one sin gets this kind of support. Why not a month dedicated to adultery? Why not a month dedicated to murder or incest?
Look where we have fallen in only 50 years. What will we as a people appear to the Lord in another 50 years, or maybe only another 10 years?
And, of course, no one speaks up in public anymore about repenting of this particular sin. No one wants to be told they are committing a hate crime. No church wants to have the attention of the law turn to them. There's too much to lose at this point in our history.
We have turned our national faces away from God. We laugh or sneer at what he says to us through the Scriptures. They are no longer regarded with reverence by our leaders. Instead we pick them apart and toss aside the parts we don't like. What used to be accepted as the Word of God is now becoming hate literature. Persecution of those who keep the faith has already begun throughout the world and penalties for talking about it have already found their way into the law books.
You don't believe that this is happening? Easy to test. Log in to any of the social media sites like Facebook or Twitter and using your real name, say something about the Scriptures condemning homosexuality (or sodomy), and then wait for the consequences to manifest. The social backlash will be almost instant, but sooner or later your words will be brought to the attention of your employer. He will be asked if he supports this kind of thing by one of his employees? He will distance himself from the controversy but it that doesn't work, he will fire you. He will say that your hateful behaviour does not reflect the values of his company. He will let you go and order more sensitivity training for those employees that remain.
We are only now starting to see the leading edge of real persecution against the disciples of Christ wherever they live and wherever they work. It will only get worse.
I am waiting for our Church Authorities to say something about the sins of our modern Sodom and Gomorrah nation. I don't want to hear vague generalities about this unnatural and abominable sin. I don't want to hear only the side of the conversation that talks about marriage being between a man and woman, full stop. I want to hear our modern Prophets "stand at the gate of the city" and proclaim openly the sins of our nations.
I fear they will never do this. These are modern and sophisticated times. Prophets no longer call cities and nations to repentence. Those days are gone and we appear to be left alone to tread carefully in our society, our workplaces, our churches, our schools and even our own homes.
I'm now near the end of my lifespan, so I'll probably be okay. The next generation will see the acceptance of greater sin as normal. A lot has changed in the last 50 years. Sodomy has gone from a crime to a celebration. Who would have belived it? Who would have thought it could happen?
Sorry for my rant. I didn't get much sleep so I'm still somewhat tired. Excuse any small errors as I typed this rather quickly.
Keep the Faith once delivered to the Saints.

[Chip]

That's a good summation of our awful situation regarding homosexuality. Agency is under attack. Satan's pawns don't get it. While they shut down others, they're damning themselves.

As Rumplestiltskin pointed out, Satan has a tri-fold mission:

1) Destroy man's agency.
2) Take over each man's "house" through demonic possession.
3) Entrap men to hell.

[marc]

The sins of Sodom and Gomorrah are much more than just sexual. God called his own people at Jerusalem rulers of Sodom and people of Gomorrah.

https://latterdaylamanite.com/2019/06/0 ... extortion/

[mike_rumble]

You are certain right, marc.
I chose to focus on sexual sin because that's what "pride month" is all about.
Thanks for the links.

[kirtland r.m.]

I was still half asleep when I turned on my computer this morning, and opened my browser to it's default home page. There was the Google search enging, but today it was decorated with different colors and a duo of tiny marching people showing placards with tiny hearts. Something to do with the history of Canada, I suppose. I clicked on it, watching it move through the years from 1969 to the present. Still didn't register because the symbols were mostly hearts and mostly tiny. Finally got to the end and there it was . . .
Google was celebrating 50 years of pride in doing what God calls an abomination, and what the Apostle Paul calls unnatural. The links displayed talked of positivity and inclusiveness, of parades with colorful floats and beautiful participants, of a whole month now devoted to this particular sin before God. It is the only sin that is loudly supported not only by the general population, but also by our government leaders, our religious leaders and our policing authorities. Why only this particular sin?
In my city, small as it is, there will be a Pride parade with police and city council support. No doubt they will repaint the Pride crosswalks downtown and fly the Pride flag along side the provincial and national flags. Ever wonder why this one sin gets this kind of support. Why not a month dedicated to adultery? Why not a month dedicated to murder or incest?
Look where we have fallen in only 50 years. What will we as a people appear to the Lord in another 50 years, or maybe only another 10 years?
And, of course, no one speaks up in public anymore about repenting of this particular sin. No one wants to be told they are committing a hate crime. No church wants to have the attention of the law turn to them. There's too much to lose at this point in our history.
We have turned our national faces away from God. We laugh or sneer at what he says to us through the Scriptures. They are no longer regarded with reverence by our leaders. Instead we pick them apart and toss aside the parts we don't like. What used to be accepted as the Word of God is now becoming hate literature. Persecution of those who keep the faith has already begun throughout the world and penalties for talking about it have already found their way into the law books.
You don't believe that this is happening? Easy to test. Log in to any of the social media sites like Facebook or Twitter and using your real name, say something about the Scriptures condemning homosexuality (or sodomy), and then wait for the consequences to manifest. The social backlash will be almost instant, but sooner or later your words will be brought to the attention of your employer. He will be asked if he supports this kind of thing by one of his employees? He will distance himself from the controversy but it that doesn't work, he will fire you. He will say that your hateful behaviour does not reflect the values of his company. He will let you go and order more sensitivity training for those employees that remain.
We are only now starting to see the leading edge of real persecution against the disciples of Christ wherever they live and wherever they work. It will only get worse.
I am waiting for our Church Authorities to say something about the sins of our modern Sodom and Gomorrah nation. I don't want to hear vague generalities about this unnatural and abominable sin. I don't want to hear only the side of the conversation that talks about marriage being between a man and woman, full stop. I want to hear our modern Prophets "stand at the gate of the city" and proclaim openly the sins of our nations.
I fear they will never do this. These are modern and sophisticated times. Prophets no longer call cities and nations to repentence. Those days are gone and we appear to be left alone to tread carefully in our society, our workplaces, our churches, our schools and even our own homes.
I'm now near the end of my lifespan, so I'll probably be okay. The next generation will see the acceptance of greater sin as normal. A lot has changed in the last 50 years. Sodomy has gone from a crime to a celebration. Who would have belived it? Who would have thought it could happen?
Sorry for my rant. I didn't get much sleep so I'm still somewhat tired. Excuse any small errors as I typed this rather quickly.
Keep the Faith once delivered to the Saints.

Well said, brother!!!

[kirtland r.m.]

That's a good summation of our awful situation regarding homosexuality. Agency is under attack. Satan's pawns don't get it. While they shut down others, they're damning themselves.

As Rumplestiltskin pointed out, Satan has a tri-fold mission:

1) Destroy man's agency.
2) Take over each man's "house" through demonic possession.
3) Entrap men to hell.

Satan is a liar, and a disrupter. Homosexuality does that in a big way, to each individual who chooses that road. As with all sin, this behavior dams progress of the individuals involved, and it also mocks the real process and righteous use of things God has given us to use wisely to return to His presence. It mocks the true order and nature of heaven and eternal righteous happiness.

[gangbusters]

I was still half asleep when I turned on my computer this morning, and opened my browser to it's default home page. There was the Google search enging, but today it was decorated with different colors and a duo of tiny marching people showing placards with tiny hearts. Something to do with the history of Canada, I suppose. I clicked on it, watching it move through the years from 1969 to the present. Still didn't register because the symbols were mostly hearts and mostly tiny. Finally got to the end and there it was . . .
Google was celebrating 50 years of pride in doing what God calls an abomination, and what the Apostle Paul calls unnatural. The links displayed talked of positivity and inclusiveness, of parades with colorful floats and beautiful participants, of a whole month now devoted to this particular sin before God. It is the only sin that is loudly supported not only by the general population, but also by our government leaders, our religious leaders and our policing authorities. Why only this particular sin?
In my city, small as it is, there will be a Pride parade with police and city council support. No doubt they will repaint the Pride crosswalks downtown and fly the Pride flag along side the provincial and national flags. Ever wonder why this one sin gets this kind of support. Why not a month dedicated to adultery? Why not a month dedicated to murder or incest?
Look where we have fallen in only 50 years. What will we as a people appear to the Lord in another 50 years, or maybe only another 10 years?
And, of course, no one speaks up in public anymore about repenting of this particular sin. No one wants to be told they are committing a hate crime. No church wants to have the attention of the law turn to them. There's too much to lose at this point in our history.
We have turned our national faces away from God. We laugh or sneer at what he says to us through the Scriptures. They are no longer regarded with reverence by our leaders. Instead we pick them apart and toss aside the parts we don't like. What used to be accepted as the Word of God is now becoming hate literature. Persecution of those who keep the faith has already begun throughout the world and penalties for talking about it have already found their way into the law books.
You don't believe that this is happening? Easy to test. Log in to any of the social media sites like Facebook or Twitter and using your real name, say something about the Scriptures condemning homosexuality (or sodomy), and then wait for the consequences to manifest. The social backlash will be almost instant, but sooner or later your words will be brought to the attention of your employer. He will be asked if he supports this kind of thing by one of his employees? He will distance himself from the controversy but it that doesn't work, he will fire you. He will say that your hateful behaviour does not reflect the values of his company. He will let you go and order more sensitivity training for those employees that remain.
We are only now starting to see the leading edge of real persecution against the disciples of Christ wherever they live and wherever they work. It will only get worse.
I am waiting for our Church Authorities to say something about the sins of our modern Sodom and Gomorrah nation. I don't want to hear vague generalities about this unnatural and abominable sin. I don't want to hear only the side of the conversation that talks about marriage being between a man and woman, full stop. I want to hear our modern Prophets "stand at the gate of the city" and proclaim openly the sins of our nations.
I fear they will never do this. These are modern and sophisticated times. Prophets no longer call cities and nations to repentence. Those days are gone and we appear to be left alone to tread carefully in our society, our workplaces, our churches, our schools and even our own homes.
I'm now near the end of my lifespan, so I'll probably be okay. The next generation will see the acceptance of greater sin as normal. A lot has changed in the last 50 years. Sodomy has gone from a crime to a celebration. Who would have belived it? Who would have thought it could happen?
Sorry for my rant. I didn't get much sleep so I'm still somewhat tired. Excuse any small errors as I typed this rather quickly.
Keep the Faith once delivered to the Saints.

I agree with almost everything you've said, including the exasperated, fed up tone of your post. I'm not as old as you are (42), but I'm old enough to have seen a stark change in how this particular abomination is accepted. And if its not accepted, it's acquiesced to by the rest of the masses too intimidated to voice their opinion.

The one exception I take is when you say our leaders no longer reverence the scriptures. I just don't know where you get that from. Nor do I understand why some people are so insistent that the Church be vocal in condemning homosexuality. It doesn't make our leaders weak to say something like "we stand for the traditional view of marriage as being between a man and a woman" instead of "all you sodomites are going to burn in hell for eternity." In my opinion anyway, the first statement is more effective at 1) stating our disapproval of that lifestyle while 2) establishing a standard where others can turn. Read the Proclamation on the Family. The First Presidency promised that calamities awaited the world for undermining the family. It's coming and they know it. I don't need fire and brimstone to convince me. The Church stands for truth and is on the right side. People wanting the fiery rhetoric are in the wrong place. For better or worse, the Church doesn't do that, and I'm glad they don't.

I too feel weary watching all this wickedness, and I shudder to think what kind of world my kids will live in when they're my age.

[Yahtzee]

My kids and I had a long conversation about lgbtq month last night that gave me a lot of hope. They started with wanted to knock down our neighbors flags and then we discussed property rights and free speech. Even at their young ages they noted that "free speech" had become rather one sided and that was the real source of their frustration. It ended with them agreeing we should fly the American flag during "pride month" instead. My son is more determined to strengthen his testimony so he can preach repentance better on his mission.
Everything truly had its opposite. As evil grows, so will righteousness.

[mike_rumble]

Your reply kind of shows why the Church needs to be more vocal and more direct in really proclaiming it's condemnation of homosexuality.
Homosexuality (sodomy) is not a lifestyle. It is an unnatural act and an abominable sin. It is a transgression that will in a literal sense, bring down God's judgement upon our nations if we do not, as nations, repent and end this kind of behaviour.
The Church is not establishing a standard by standing for traditional marriage. This standard was already established in the beginning, by God. It is a standard that was accepted by the entire world for thousands of years. By accepting same sex marriage as a nation, we are again inviting judgement upon us, unless we repent and end this kind of behaviour.
It is not enough for a Church led by Prophets to merely point out that you might want to think about your "lifestyle". Nothing exists in a vacumn, not even the Church. If we choose to take part in a nation's politics and a nation's economy, then we should not be surprised if God's judgement falls upon us as well as our neighbours.
"But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand."
That sword of judgement is coming, and the Prophets of our day do not speak loud enough to warn the people of our respective nations.
I know a lot of us don't really believe that God will judge the nations in a literal sense. It's there in the Scriptures, but reads like fiction or the happenings of times long ago. I do believe in a national judgement that is still to come upon us. The Prophets of ancient times warned us that these days would come. Just as Noah's world was destroyed by water, our world will be destroyed by fire.
We made it through the 1950's and all the rest, but thousands of nuclear missles still sit in their silos and missle tubes. These are the weapons that the Lord will use when Judgement day comes, as it will come. Just as the Lord used pagan nations around them to judge Israel, so he will use the unbelieving nations around us, to judge the western nations when that time comes.
Please don't think it's enough to just hold a difference of opinions on lifestyles. I think God demands more of us. And I don't think it's a big leap to think that he demands more of his Prophets.
I know that I long for a day when I wake up one morning, and see that our Prophet has finally "stood up in the gate of the city" to stand publicly against the many sins of our times, but in particular the sexual sins of our times, including pornography, fornication, divorce, abortion, homosexuality, pedophila, and the list goes on. I long for the day when he not only does this but also warns us of the coming Judgement.
That judgement really will be much worse that we can even imagine. And if you and I don't live to see it, our children surely will see it's day.
I think that's it for me. Thanks to the forum for letting me post my ramblings.

[Alaris]

Homosexuality is a sin, and the wages of sin are death. Wickedness never was happiness. If you are embracing homosexuality in any degree, repent!

[buffalo_girl]

I, too, have wondered why the prophets in our time 'hedge' their words regarding abortion and the rush towards universal euthanasia to 'relieve' the population and the individual from lifestyle consequences.

[justme]

I, too, have wondered why the prophets in our time 'hedge' their words regarding abortion and the rush towards universal euthanasia to 'relieve' the population and the individual from lifestyle consequences.

Does not the fact that they are prophets answer your question?

[Vision]

I, too, have wondered why the prophets in our time 'hedge' their words regarding abortion and the rush towards universal euthanasia to 'relieve' the population and the individual from lifestyle consequences.

The Church is in bondage to the IRS because of the 501c3 status and the Johnson amendment. Their tongues are tied. Accepting statehood brought us into bondage. I can only imagine how many members would stop paying tithes if they lost the tax write off.

[Elizabeth]

As far as I am aware there is no such tax write off in Australia.

I can only imagine how many members would stop paying tithes if they lost the tax write off.

[Serragon]

I, too, have wondered why the prophets in our time 'hedge' their words regarding abortion and the rush towards universal euthanasia to 'relieve' the population and the individual from lifestyle consequences.

The Church is in bondage to the IRS because of the 501c3 status and the Johnson amendment. Their tongues are tied. Accepting statehood brought us into bondage. I can only imagine how many members would stop paying tithes if they lost the tax write off.

With last year's changes to the tax code and the limited deductions, many more people take the standard deduction. I suspect that number of people actually itemizing tithing on their taxes has dropped considerably. I don't think it would be as impactful as many think.

[mike_rumble]

Losing the various tax benefits provided by the State to the Church would certainly shake things up, but it would survive. After all, much of what the Church does is a business like any other. They own land and farms and shopping malls and sky scrapers all over the place. I'm sure that the lawyers and accountants employed by the Church would make the necessary changes to keep on doing what they do.
The much bigger problem is that the Church wants to be popular. It wants to be well thought of by the general public. They want to be included as one of the many branches of the historical Christian Church. And so we see the Prophet meeting with the Pope, donating money to Islamic mosques and so on.
A friend of mine works for the Provincial Government here. He hates his job. Talks about how much he hates it, all the time. Yet he continues to work in that terrible job. Why? Because of the benefits; high salary, heath care, retirement plan etc.
I don't think the General Authorities are stupid men. I suspect they know exactly where the Church falls short in remaining unspotted by the world, but like my friend they just can't give up any of what they have acquired over the years.
When President Nelson hinted at big changes that would try the Saints, I thought it could go either way. A rejection of the world and a focus on what Christ requires of us, or move to become even more mainstream, just another cog in that wheel that used to be called the Church of the Devil by some early Saints.
It seems to me that the Church is choosing the latter path.

[XEmilyX]

It's coming, and it will be an even bigger issue. It will be fast too people will wake up to their own opinions whether it be good or bad. And it seems people are more and more likely to fight for a cause lately whether that cause be good or bad.

[simpleton]

When the church contributed/spent a couple million [ 25 plus million] to prop 8 in California, they got a big smack down, ever since then the rainbows have been lashing out , so the church went cowering into the corner,, ,,,,, again

[gangbusters]

When the church contributed/spent a couple million [ 25 plus million] to prop 8 in California, they got a big smack down, ever since then the rainbows have been lashing out , so the church went cowering into the corner,, ,,,,, again

Two questions: 1) Can you point out one example illustrating how the Church has "cower[ed] in a corner?" Not picking a fight; I'm curious. 2) why do you need more than one comma?

[simpleton]

When the church contributed/spent a couple million [ 25 plus million] to prop 8 in California, they got a big smack down, ever since then the rainbows have been lashing out , so the church went cowering into the corner,, ,,,,, again

Two questions: 1) Can you point out one example illustrating how the Church has "cower[ed] in a corner?" Not picking a fight; I'm curious. 2) why do you need more than one comma?

It needs to be pointed out? ... if you do not know then research it.. but its pretty much been 120 plus years of compromise.

[gangbusters]

When the church contributed/spent a couple million [ 25 plus million] to prop 8 in California, they got a big smack down, ever since then the rainbows have been lashing out , so the church went cowering into the corner,, ,,,,, again

Two questions: 1) Can you point out one example illustrating how the Church has "cower[ed] in a corner?" Not picking a fight; I'm curious. 2) why do you need more than one comma?

It needs to be pointed out? ... if you do not know then research it.. but its pretty much been 120 plus years of compromise.

That's pretty much the response I was expecting. Thanks.

[Serragon]

When the church contributed/spent a couple million [ 25 plus million] to prop 8 in California, they got a big smack down, ever since then the rainbows have been lashing out , so the church went cowering into the corner,, ,,,,, again

Two questions: 1) Can you point out one example illustrating how the Church has "cower[ed] in a corner?" Not picking a fight; I'm curious. 2) why do you need more than one comma?

Cowering in a corner is an exaggeration. But simpleton is correct in that much of where we are today is directly related to the public response to prop 8.

Church leaders were not prepared for the onslaught of negativity that came at them after prop 8 passed. They thought they were just engaging in civics. Our Church became the target of all of the progressive rage over the loss of that vote. Orchestrated and concentrated efforts to shame and protest occurred. We were being portrayed in vile terms as bigots and homophobes.

Our response has been to withdraw from public announcements on issues like that and to implement the following, all with the idea to appease or appeal to progressive ideologies.

The I'm a Mormon campaign to counter the negative PR
An increase in multicultural symbols in our media, including childrens magazines
Changes to the law of obedience and law of chastity.
Same sex marriage no longer considered apostasy
Changes to womens clothing and ceremony in the temple
Changing what constitutes sinful behavior with regards to homosexuality.
No longer trying to cure or overcome same sex attraction
Allowing people to be vocally pro abortion and pro same sex marriage without any consequence.
Replacing a General conference priesthood meeting with a Womens meeting
Putting the Relief Society jointly in charge with the Melchizedek priesthood of Mission and Family History Work in the ward

there are probably others I have missed. But we definitely seem to be trending towards the progressive intersectionalist way of thinking. Whether this is truly what our leaders think, or this is a wise method of staying out of the cross-hairs of the left while still trying to implement the Gospel remains to be seen.

[gangbusters]

When the church contributed/spent a couple million [ 25 plus million] to prop 8 in California, they got a big smack down, ever since then the rainbows have been lashing out , so the church went cowering into the corner,, ,,,,, again

Two questions: 1) Can you point out one example illustrating how the Church has "cower[ed] in a corner?" Not picking a fight; I'm curious. 2) why do you need more than one comma?

Cowering in a corner is an exaggeration. But simpleton is correct in that much of where we are today is directly related to the public response to prop 8.

Church leaders were not prepared for the onslaught of negativity that came at them after prop 8 passed. They thought they were just engaging in civics. Our Church became the target of all of the progressive rage over the loss of that vote. Orchestrated and concentrated efforts to shame and protest occurred. We were being portrayed in vile terms as bigots and homophobes.

Our response has been to withdraw from public announcements on issues like that and to implement the following, all with the idea to appease or appeal to progressive ideologies.

The I'm a Mormon campaign to counter the negative PR
An increase in multicultural symbols in our media, including childrens magazines
Changes to the law of obedience and law of chastity.
Same sex marriage no longer considered apostasy
Changes to womens clothing and ceremony in the temple
Changing what constitutes sinful behavior with regards to homosexuality.
No longer trying to cure or overcome same sex attraction
Allowing people to be vocally pro abortion and pro same sex marriage without any consequence.
Replacing a General conference priesthood meeting with a Womens meeting
Putting the Relief Society jointly in charge with the Melchizedek priesthood of Mission and Family History Work in the ward

there are probably others I have missed. But we definitely seem to be trending towards the progressive intersectionalist way of thinking. Whether this is truly what our leaders think, or this is a wise method of staying out of the cross-hairs of the left while still trying to implement the Gospel remains to be seen.

Thank you for your honesty in admitting for him that "cowering in the corner" is exaggerated. I appreciate you actually supporting your position. I don't necessarily disagree that the Church came away from the Prop 8 debacle with a changed perspective and a little trigger shyness. While I don't necessarily agree that all of the changes you've listed are evidence that the Church is retreating or kowtowing, reasonable minds can disagree.

Honest question though: how has the Church changed the law of chastity?

[Serragon]

When the church contributed/spent a couple million [ 25 plus million] to prop 8 in California, they got a big smack down, ever since then the rainbows have been lashing out , so the church went cowering into the corner,, ,,,,, again

Two questions: 1) Can you point out one example illustrating how the Church has "cower[ed] in a corner?" Not picking a fight; I'm curious. 2) why do you need more than one comma?

Cowering in a corner is an exaggeration. But simpleton is correct in that much of where we are today is directly related to the public response to prop 8.

Church leaders were not prepared for the onslaught of negativity that came at them after prop 8 passed. They thought they were just engaging in civics. Our Church became the target of all of the progressive rage over the loss of that vote. Orchestrated and concentrated efforts to shame and protest occurred. We were being portrayed in vile terms as bigots and homophobes.

Our response has been to withdraw from public announcements on issues like that and to implement the following, all with the idea to appease or appeal to progressive ideologies.

The I'm a Mormon campaign to counter the negative PR
An increase in multicultural symbols in our media, including childrens magazines
Changes to the law of obedience and law of chastity.
Same sex marriage no longer considered apostasy
Changes to womens clothing and ceremony in the temple
Changing what constitutes sinful behavior with regards to homosexuality.
No longer trying to cure or overcome same sex attraction
Allowing people to be vocally pro abortion and pro same sex marriage without any consequence.
Replacing a General conference priesthood meeting with a Womens meeting
Putting the Relief Society jointly in charge with the Melchizedek priesthood of Mission and Family History Work in the ward

there are probably others I have missed. But we definitely seem to be trending towards the progressive intersectionalist way of thinking. Whether this is truly what our leaders think, or this is a wise method of staying out of the cross-hairs of the left while still trying to implement the Gospel remains to be seen.

Thank you for your honesty in admitting for him that "cowering in the corner" is exaggerated. I appreciate you actually supporting your position. I don't necessarily disagree that the Church came away from the Prop 8 debacle with a changed perspective and a little trigger shyness. While I don't necessarily agree that all of the changes you've listed are evidence that the Church is retreating or kowtowing, reasonable minds can disagree.

Honest question though: how has the Church changed the law of chastity?

Absolutely we can disagree. Anytime we are delving into trying to figure out motivations for actions, we are in the realm of speculation. I freely admit I could be wrong about why these changes are happening.

The wording of the Law of Chastity changed. The current meaning of the Law has not changed, but the new wording, in my opinion, leaves it open for a different interpretation in the future if desired.

[gangbusters]

Two questions: 1) Can you point out one example illustrating how the Church has "cower[ed] in a corner?" Not picking a fight; I'm curious. 2) why do you need more than one comma?

Cowering in a corner is an exaggeration. But simpleton is correct in that much of where we are today is directly related to the public response to prop 8.

Church leaders were not prepared for the onslaught of negativity that came at them after prop 8 passed. They thought they were just engaging in civics. Our Church became the target of all of the progressive rage over the loss of that vote. Orchestrated and concentrated efforts to shame and protest occurred. We were being portrayed in vile terms as bigots and homophobes.

Our response has been to withdraw from public announcements on issues like that and to implement the following, all with the idea to appease or appeal to progressive ideologies.

The I'm a Mormon campaign to counter the negative PR
An increase in multicultural symbols in our media, including childrens magazines
Changes to the law of obedience and law of chastity.
Same sex marriage no longer considered apostasy
Changes to womens clothing and ceremony in the temple
Changing what constitutes sinful behavior with regards to homosexuality.
No longer trying to cure or overcome same sex attraction
Allowing people to be vocally pro abortion and pro same sex marriage without any consequence.
Replacing a General conference priesthood meeting with a Womens meeting
Putting the Relief Society jointly in charge with the Melchizedek priesthood of Mission and Family History Work in the ward

there are probably others I have missed. But we definitely seem to be trending towards the progressive intersectionalist way of thinking. Whether this is truly what our leaders think, or this is a wise method of staying out of the cross-hairs of the left while still trying to implement the Gospel remains to be seen.

Thank you for your honesty in admitting for him that "cowering in the corner" is exaggerated. I appreciate you actually supporting your position. I don't necessarily disagree that the Church came away from the Prop 8 debacle with a changed perspective and a little trigger shyness. While I don't necessarily agree that all of the changes you've listed are evidence that the Church is retreating or kowtowing, reasonable minds can disagree.

Honest question though: how has the Church changed the law of chastity?

Absolutely we can disagree. Anytime we are delving into trying to figure out motivations for actions, we are in the realm of speculation. I freely admit I could be wrong about why these changes are happening.

The wording of the Law of Chastity changed. The current meaning of the Law has not changed, but the new wording, in my opinion, leaves it open for a different interpretation in the future if desired.

Oh I see. Yeah I've wondered about that, too.