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WildOliveBranch wrote: May 26th, 2019, 3:24 pm Some of you know that I’ve been a fierce Julie Rowe defender, & in this newest news, again, I will not disappoint.

In some far distant memory, I feel I may even have covenanted to speak up in this very moment. So even though I keep hovering over the delete button, I now feel certain that I must hit "post" for I know this is my cue, for what good or evil comes of it, let the consequences follow. I know it is for the Truth in laying the Foundation for Building Up The Kingdom of God on The Earth as most of us have covenanted. I fear posting not my because of my defense of Julie, for that is pretty straight-forward, & I would do it in a heart-beat, but I feel timid about the suggestions I have felt urged to include in this post that follow my words about Julie. I hope you really read & hear with discernment because this is the only post I am going to make about this. The Lord told me to stay off forums a couple of months ago, & now He is granting me permission to step in for a moment & suggest a couple of heavier concerns. I will be posting this topic & then I am posting another shorter one that expands on a topic below. I'll respond to the best of my ability to any replies in the next few days, but then I'm probably going off again for a while.

This is not a pity post, nor is it a sympathy post nor am I whining nor joking anymore.
Julie is strong & she's going to be alright. More than alright.

But this IS a serious post & today is the day to post it. God help me & my family if we're not yet ready for the repercussions this may pull down upon us. I have grown children living in Utah & I pray to Heavenly Father in all begging & wholeheartedness, that they will be extremely protected from trouble once I post this. My Patriarchal Blessing assures me of this, that my children will be protected during the times of amiss in the last days, so I am trusting the Lord that he also meant protection from people that would otherwise seek to harm them from an organization that may become very angry with me when they read this. This is the only reason I feel secure enough to suggest what I suggest in this post. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints has been good to me all my days & it is within this Church that I have LOVED LOVED LOVED the gospel in all it's depths. I LOVE & ADORE BYU FOREVER also & the Ward my children & I lived in up near the MTC area. I LOVE the GOSPEL with all my heart.

I don't feel like signing my name at the end of this, because I just don't. But the officials I'm concerned about already know exactly who I am & they are paying attention to who will defend Julie Rowe. So I am not hiding in any way. I just don't need everybody else texting me, etc.

I defend Julie Rowe NOT in her "flawlessness," but by her heart & by how I believe that she tells the TRUTH about what she learns from the Lord by her gifts. Simple as that. Like a favorite Sunday School teacher that you look forward to hearing when it's their week to teach. Plain & simple. I LOVE TO HEAR HER REVELATIONS & ABOUT HER VISIONS, yet she is NOT my leader & I take no direction nor orders from her. She is a sister in Zion with a great mandate from The Lord. & soon we all will have great mandates from The Lord. Let’s hope we are brave enough to follow through on them. God bless our courage.

Since some of you tease me at times by saying I must *be* her or her sister or something, I assert again, that I do NOT know JULIE ROWE personally & in my earlier posts, I still had not ever met her. At this point, I have sent a few emails to her blog & I have received short pleasant responses a couple of times. I have not ever been able to attend any of her classes yet, but I would like to someday. I have never spoken with her nor Eric J. Smith on the phone, either. I read Eric's blog, too, whenever he puts up a new article. I will not hide that I am hoping he soon will write about the Olympians & I enjoyed hearing the two of them on this past week’s 3-hour radio broadcast.

So, yes, apparently she was excommunicated in the past month. I just learned about this & verified it this morning by listening to her YouTube post.

I'm glad, actually. If she's brave enough (& she is) to handle the discredit of her leaders, then I am actually gald she was excommunicated. Why? Because who can tell her now that she has no right to speak? Because now let the truth roll forth unhindered. Imagine what you are allowed to reveal when you no longer feel threatened that your temple recommend will being taken away. Liberty to speak what God told you to speak. Buckle-up your seat belts. We are now entering the no-go zone.

So that's it. That's all I was going to post & be done with it. But alas, I must continue. The rest doesn't have anything to do with Julie at all, except that she has seen what I'm talking about next. She did NOT teach it to me, I already knew about it. I lived in a Provo Ward in the early 1990s & had friends with close contact to the news I hint at below. I just thought it was sensational at the time & was raising babies so I couldn't take the time to understand better. I have researched further though, extensively, & I feel now that I have to go on record to say these things concern me, too, as they have concerned others like me.

So here are the parts of this post that I kept trying to delete after I wrote them & I just can't delete them. I just won't. My Patriarchal Blessing ALSO says that I need to testify of the truthfulness of the work of the Lord, which also means that I need to call out red flags, or else I am helping to perpetuate the parts of the work that have atrophied & that have cankered & corrupted.

So, although this seems random, yet it's actually quite RELATED & timely, & so perhaps the excommunication of Julie Rowe is the occasion in which folks will take a look at some deeper trouble. She had hinted that she was going to talk about these things, I was looking forward to hear if she would mention what I had already learned, & now, low & behold, she is excommunicated.

I'm just lighting a spark here, I am not going to defend my concern, so here it is:
Has anyone ever watched the YouTube video from last year about the satanic rituals that were going on in the BASEMENTS of the Salt Lake Temple in the late 1960s & 1970s? Not UPSTAIRS, but DOWNstairs, below even the level of the baptismal level. George P. Lee, the Native American General Authority, was excommunicated for speaking up about those catacombs at a Sunstone forum in 1992. & so SO interesting that he was also dead (not suicide, folks) soon after. Others have smugly discredited him by saying, "oh he was Indian so he had a drinking problem, blah blah blah." Well, so did Brigham Young, apparently, & Joseph Smith Senior, apparently. So my question is, if he had a drinking problem, could he not still discern that he saw black robes & blood at these ceremonies? Maybe he was drinking because he needed to keep from freaking out. I can't help but be a tad graphic & flippant in that past sentence, because if I am not clear, many of you will glaze right past what I'm asking/saying.

Therefore, it is also sooo interesting that the Salt Lake City temple is now closed for indefinite "renewal" now that President Nelson found out what was really going on under that place. I'm pretty sure he did NOT know what kind of a hornet's nest he stepped into when he all-of-a-sudden became President of the Church.. he was supposed to be fifth in line & was moved up to the front of the line pretty fast by the Lord in 2017-2018.

In our Church are the VERY holy & good people of Christ & some extraordinary prophets & leaders & yet there are also the VERY OPPOSITE. BOTH. We walk among BOTH in our Church. & The Lord is going to allow it. WHY? Because this is a TEST for us ALL. WHEN WE ARE FACED WITH EXCOMMUNICATION, WILL WE MAINTAIN WHAT WE KNOW WE HEARD FROM THE LORD OURSELVES THROUGH PERSONAL REVELATION OR WILL WE BUCKLE UNDER THE PRESSURE OF THE LOCAL INTERROGATION & FOLD? Yes, it sounds like the ruling regarding Julie's excommunication was sent down from Church HQ... but process this a bit before you nod your head so smugly. The LORD has allowed this to happen with both George P. Lee (& many others, by the way) & Julie Rowe to test you & me WAY MORE than testing them. Julie was already sure it was coming.

But the LORD is TESTING HIS LEADERS to SEE IF THEY WILL SCATTER HIS SHEEP by the bidding of their OTHER LEADERS above them. Hmmmmm. This is called bullying & it's the ultimate test. This is testing us all & especially leaders. Just remember the tares are gathered up first & burned. Not the wheat.

We've been told about the "whirlwind" & about the "tribulations." They are different. The whirlwind is the cleansing of the inner vessel. It starts at the Lord's House & within the Leadership FIRST. Then out to the membership of the Church (we all have inner cleansing to do), then out through United States, then North America, all based on privilege granted by The Lord that would not be appreciated & reverenced. I feel we are at the doors of this whirlwind right now & the Lord will literally REMOVE some of his sheep from the Church to protect them & then they will be protected in the "wilderness" outside the Church for a time, until the house-cleaning is completed. I believe WHOLEHEARTEDLY that PRESIDENT NELSON is at this time heading up this massive HEART SURGERY of the corruption. He knows that if he doesn't, the Lord surely will. I believe President Nelson is allowing lesser leaders to excommunicate folks because he knows it will be on the leaders' heads when The Lord meets them face-to-face. In fact, President Nelson, almost MUST allow it, for this is how leaders will be judged. He will not step in, just like The Lord does not always step in in unrighteous dominion. Not yet.

These are the LAST DAYS, FOLKS. Pay attention & don't listen to your friends & of course, not even me. Listen to your HEART & your MIND & consider carefully what you care about most & who you listen to. You don't need to listen to Julie Rowe AT ALL... You don't even have to believe her AT ALL. HOWEVER, WHO do you listen to? & what do you CARE about most? Those are two of the very most essential questions we must always ask ourselves every hour of every day.

It's not about Julie Rowe. Consider that. It's NOT about Julie Rowe. It's about you & me & our individual families. All news outside ourselves is still about ourselves & the test is: what will we choose to believe & understand when things get more challenging? Now you & I must define what we each believe & what our most cherished inner hopes & cares are. Do we believe in the true & Living resurrected Christ? The Church is about Christ. The Corporation of the President &/or Intellectual Reserve, Inc. are NOT/were NOT the Church. Those are entities, NOT the Church.The Corporation is the skin in which the Church is struggling to live. The Church is withIN that structure, for now, partially. But a Corporation is not a church. A church is a group of people.

I feel that President Nelson is gently leading us through the fog so that we will understand this. Remember he & Wendy were held at gunpoint a few years ago? He talked about this at a BYU Devotional about 4 years ago. How do you suppose President Nelson & Wendy could ever be separated out from a crowd in a way to be held at gunpoint? Who would want to kill them? Thieves? I don't think so. The government? I really REALLY don't believe so. There are Gadiantons among us. The Gadiantons were the Nephites who had once been holy but then became fierce & controlling. Maybe you are waiting for the earthquake Julie has seen in vision. Well, a physical earthquake would actually draw people together in helpfulness, etc. That's what natural disasters do for people. They help them learn to care about others. Well, this silent earthquake is actually MORE fun for the adversary, as no one can really tell what is going on until it's too late.

& by the way, the gunman DID pull the trigger on our President & his Wendy. But the gun would NOT fire. I DO believe that President Nelson is the right man for the calling of President of this Church & I believe he is a Prophet. HOWEVER, I also feel as inspired by WENDY's talks as much as his, & go ahead & excommunicate me for this, but, I feel that WENDY is a Prophetess. TOGETHER. Lynch me. Go ahead & try. I know the Lord is preserving me a bit longer so I will not run from you quite yet. So I dare say, THEY, both Russell M. & WENDY Nelson, were preserved to continue the Church of Christ within that jurisdiction & transition the Church through these strange times. THEY serve as a WITNESS COUPLE withIN this LATTER-DAY WORK. Just remember, we are in the Dispensation of the Fullness of Times & there will be more holy leaders called by yes, the SAME God, & the SAME CHRIST, to lead the Church of Christ in from the four quarters of the earth. Pay attention.

However, we really shouldn't look out to President Nelson NOR Julie Rowe, actually, as our first response to our inner cares nor our deepest worries. We ought to consider, what does the Lord say I should do in THIS moment for my worries & those I care about most? Then, when we hear our answer from the Lord, we check outside sources for our second &/or third witnesses AFTER our own prayer & discernment.
George P. Lee was a child molester who spoke out multiple time against the apostles. He was arrested again about 10 years ago for failing to register as a sex offender. Unless you can provide substantial proof other than what “YouTube” says, I would probably be a little more hesitant stating satanic rituals were going on under the temple.

As for Julie, I don’t know her...don’t really care to either. Anyone who charges money for energy healing sessions raises supreme red flags in my book. The premise behind a “call-out” is fundamentally flawed pertaining to the latter day establishment of Zion. A “call-out” ignores the directive that we are to gather in stakes, around our temples and churches, not in the wilderness. A “call-out” would have one run from the days of tribulation ahead of us...but those who do not stand up in the world and fight for Zion will NEVER be sanctified to obtain the power of God in great glory. A “call-out” suggests that God is not a God of miracles; that God cannot save us unless we run away from apparent danger and judgements. It undermines faith and teaches us we can run from our problems. Some may say that Lehi leaving Jerusalem was a “call-out”...but to those in our times I say the olive branches have already been scattered and there is no legitimate scripture, doctrine, or prophecy ANYWHERE that implies at this point in our history will another people be broken off and led into hiding again. The church will be heavily persecuted, but this will be for our good....for the church is to be cleansed first before America is cleansed.

If you want to run, hide in the wilderness, and die for Zion, then that is your prerogative. As for me and my house, we will fight for Zion and with unwavering faith see to it’s establishment.

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I found out from my mom, that julie was excommunicated and I decided long time ago I would not listen or read anymore material from her. To protect myself from being deceived, my mom didn't agree with me and defended her. But I still dont trust 100% every thing she talks about, plus I should be trusting the Lord and if there are mysteries of God's kingdom I will find out when christ returns. Cause i rather hear directly from him on all the mysteries that are floating about in the world. Plus i dont fully understand what is considered priest craft which the lord is against, and I often wonder what is considered priest craft, cause i felt to do you tube videos on gospel topics, but decided not too, because of fear ,that i might involve myself in priest craft. With energy healing i see no harm in it. Its like speaking things to happen, like how god said let there be light and there was light, the woman who touch jesus, said to herself if i just touch his garments i will be healed and she was healed, christ didnt always heal with laying on of hands, he often spoke words to heal a person or put mud on a mans eyes. So i have no issue with energy healing. But i have no idea what the lord thinks about it and why i stoped listening to julie,is because she has talked about stuff, that doesn't come from our prophets and apostles mouth's. That sound questionable or sound way out in left field. Like how she was married to other people before she came to earth and earth is not he first probationary state. Now this was deleted by herself so you wont be able find it. Also i dont like how she deleted her you tube stuff, even though i dont follow her anymore. If she really spoke truths why delete it just cause your excommunicated unless she was told too by the church leaders who excommunicated her. Just dosen't make any sense, so i stay away, to protect my spirit and the lord said many will come in my name, but it doesn't mean they are the true followers of christ and also we shall know them by there fruits. You all have your agency to choose what to believe and follow, I just caution you to not get decived by anyone and if you cant decern who is what etc. Pray for discernment ask for the lord to guide you. I personally have nothing against julie row, but i feel its better for me to listen to the prophet and feast on the scriptures and pray to the lord, and have the holy ghost as my guide, and wait for the lord to tell me the mysteries of god in person😁

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justme wrote: May 26th, 2019, 4:53 pm So out of morbid curiosity I listened to the first half of the podcast, I couldn't stomach more. Two thought popped out. She outright says at the beginning that Joseph Smith is listening to her podcast today. And then, if I understand her cryptic speaking correctly, she says that she knows from detail visions how her stake president will die for this. I thought that was very creepy and borderline criminal. I was interested to see how closely eric would play along and defend her.
Eric should be excommunicated too if he hasn’t already.

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DesertWonderer2 wrote: May 26th, 2019, 9:38 pm
justme wrote: May 26th, 2019, 4:53 pm So out of morbid curiosity I listened to the first half of the podcast, I couldn't stomach more. Two thought popped out. She outright says at the beginning that Joseph Smith is listening to her podcast today. And then, if I understand her cryptic speaking correctly, she says that she knows from detail visions how her stake president will die for this. I thought that was very creepy and borderline criminal. I was interested to see how closely eric would play along and defend her.
Eric should be excommunicated too if he hasn’t already.
He was in church today. But he never talks about anything like this. You would never know he was mixed up with this nonsense from knowing him personally.

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WildOliveBranch wrote: May 26th, 2019, 3:24 pm
Has anyone ever watched the YouTube video from last year about the satanic rituals that were going on in the BASEMENTS of the Salt Lake Temple in the late 1960s & 1970s? Not UPSTAIRS, but DOWNstairs, below even the level of the baptismal level. George P. Lee, the Native American General Authority, was excommunicated for speaking up about those catacombs at a Sunstone forum in 1992. & so SO interesting that he was also dead (not suicide, folks) soon after.
What's the point of bringing these kinds of things up without a source?

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WOB sounds like Julie to me.
I was on AVOW with Julie from 2009-2014, and actually had two dreams that led me to question what she was doing, and eventually write up all the evidence I found on that forum that she was simply borrowing from other dreams/visions and making things up to gain a following, to lead them into energy healing. The first dream I had was seeing an image of the Savior and hearing someone say "energy healing is leading people away from Christ." It was after this that I started to question everything she posted and saw the many red flags. The next dream I had involved being with a woman who was trying to convince me to lie about something, that it was for a good cause and would lead to Jesus in the end. The ends justified the means. I refused to take part in the lie. When I had this dream I had started looking closer at her history, and I felt this represented Julie. Now obviously I could be totally wrong, but that was my experience and impression at the time. She predicted so many things in 2014 that never occurred the way she said they would, which is one huge red flag. Since posting all that evidence I found, I have not felt any desire to keep track of her or battle her lies. I have my own witness and a ton of evidence to back it up.

As far as a call-out is concerned, that idea did not originate with Julie Rowe, and I still believe that something like it could happen.

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Let's face it, it was clear to anyone with a functioning brain cell that Julie Rowe was a fraud. I find it hard to understand how any sane person could have fallen for her nonsense.
It appears that too many in our faith are willingly gullible.

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There are three people I’d suggest you speak with about what you have posted. Possibly they can give you some guidance and help: your husband, your bishop and stake pres and a licensed physician like E Ballard counseled
In his conf talk. Please go to them.
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JD, JOHN TAYLOR 20:318

Were we surprised when the last terrible war took place here in the United States? No; good Latter-day Saints were not, for they had been told about it. Joseph Smith had told them where it would start, that it should be a terrible time of bloodshed and that it should start in South Carolina. But I tell you today the end is not yet. You will see worse things than that, for God will lay his hand upon this nation, and they will feel it more terribly than ever they have done before; there will be more bloodshed, more ruin, more devastation than never they have seen before. Write it down! You will see it come to pass; it is only just starting in. And would you feel to rejoice? No; I would feel sorry. I knew very well myself when this last war was commencing, and could have wept and did weep, over this nation; but there is yet to come a sound of war, trouble and distress, in which brother will be arrayed against brother, father against son, son against father, a scene of desolation and destruction that will permeate our land until it will be a vexation to hear the report thereof.

JD, ORSON PRATT 20:151


But what about the American nation. That war that destroyed the lives of some fifteen or sixteen hundred thousand people was nothing, compared to that which will eventually devastate that country. The time is not very far distant in the future, when the Lord God will lay his hand heavily upon that nations. "How do you know this? inquires one." I know from the revelations which God has given upon this subject. I read these revelations, when they were first given. I waited over twenty-eight years and saw their fulfillment to the very letter. Should I not, then, expect that the balance of them should be fulfilled? That same God who gave the revelations to his servant Joseph Smith in regard to these matters, will fulfil every jot and every tittle that has been spoken, concerning that nation. What then will be the condition of that people, when this great and terrible war shall come? It will be very different from the war between the North and the South. Do you wish me to describe it? I will do so. It will be a war of neighborhood against neighborhood, city against city, town against town, county against county, state against state, and they will go forth destroying and being destroyed and manufacturing will, in a great measure, cease, for a time, among the American nation. Why? Because in these terrible wars, they will not be privileged to manufacture, there will be too much bloodshed--too much mobocracy--too much going forth in bands and destroying and pillaging the land to suffer people to pursue any local vocation with any degree of safety. What will become of millions of the farmers upon that land? They will leave their farms and they will remain uncultivated, and they will flee before the ravaging armies from place to place; and thus will they go forth burning and pillaging the whole country; and that great and powerful nation, now consisting of some forty millions of people, will be wasted away, unless they repent.

TPJS, JOSEPH SMITH :161

I saw men hunting the lives of their own sons, and brother murdering brother, women killing their own daughters, and daughters seeking the lives of their mothers. I saw armies arrayed against armies. I saw blood, desolation, fires. The Son of man has said that the mother shall be against the daughters, and the daughter against the mother. These things are at our doors. They will follow the Saints of God from city to city. Satan will rage, and the spirit of the devil is now enraged. I know not how soon these things will take place; but with a view of them, shall I cry peace? No; I will lift up my voice and testify of them. How long you will have good crops, and the famine be kept off, I do not know; when the fig tree leaves, know then that the summer is nigh at hand.

No "call out"? There were many anciently. How about in the latter days? Kirtland, yes. Missouri, yes, Nauvoo, yes. Before the Lord returns, we will see even much worse than they saw. Nothing personal here, we just need to be ready for what comes. I feel that the quotes above, are describing events(including a second American civil war) which may occur in the seven years of trib. before His return. Look at that quote by the Prophet Joseph. It will get real ugly. Some will lose their faith, others will return, some will stand still, not knowing what to do. We may need to adjust our thinking when it begins big time. We will see what the meaning of gathering in stakes means. In Missouri, it appeared to mean bringing saints in the fringes of settled property into areas of strength with larger member populations. Even then, things got very tough.
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I never thought Julie Rowe was legitimate and it seemed she was borrowing and trying to sell her borrowed goods as revelation....

However how many folks are so quick to condemn like there's some sick pleasure in her excommunication. What would the Lord say? Would He approve?

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I posted this over a year ago:

After observing the likes of Denver snuffer, Chad Daybell and Julie Rowe over the past few years, I've gotten a better picture of how members of the church slide into apostasy.

At first the message is safe and simple : Follow the prophet, but hey, you know what happened to me?

Then it evolves into: I had an experience that makes me special, but you should still follow the Prophet.

Then: I have been given hidden knowledge concerning your safety or salvation, but you should pray about it and follow the prophet.

Then: I've been called on a mission to wake people up with secret information that is too dangerous for the prophet to say, so still follow the prophet, but pay attention to what I have to say.

Then: The Prophet has turned his back on my message because we must learn not to be spoon fed the gospel. God, in times of need gives revelation to those outside the system, in order to wake up the people.

Finally: The Prophet is fallen and lost. I have been commanded to right the ship. Follow m
e.

Julie radiates pride. She is inundated with it. It drips off her lips in everything she says. Her actions reflect pure pride. Satan has wound the flaxen cord of pride around her so tight that she is ripe with pride and a hard heart. I really do feel sorry for her, but she is dangerous now — Regardless if she is mentally ill.

Those of you who are still justifying any actions or words spoken by Julie Rowe are in serious danger of kicking yourself out of the church.

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Alaris wrote: May 27th, 2019, 7:01 pm I never thought Julie Rowe was legitimate and it seemed she was borrowing and trying to sell her borrowed goods as revelation....

However how many folks are so quick to condemn like there's some sick pleasure in her excommunication. What would the Lord say? Would He approve?
Julie was either cutting and pasting, or she is legitimate .What Alaris said is true, seems some are smug, condemning, and cocksure of their negative opinions. I have watched some of her latest video(Steve Mitton Published on May 22, 2019), some will continue to say she is dripping with pride, others might say she looks sure of her message, is centered on the Lord, and seemingly not broken up about what has just happened to her. I am not her judge, or anyone else's for that matter, nor would I want to be. When we look back later, it will be with 20/20 hindsight. I pray that none of us will be using a periscope.

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FAKE NEWS isn't a new thing!

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Alaris wrote: May 27th, 2019, 7:01 pm Would He approve?
Of her excommunication? Absolutely.

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This isn't Julie's first brush with Church discipline. She was disfellowshipped once before. I don't know the details of it. I read her first book and had to put it down at least 10 times because it was so obviously made up. She has admitted that she has bipolar disorder and has been hospitalized for it. In her book, she states that she dreamed she had an NDE and decided that it actually happened. On the AVOW website, she lurked for a year before slowly talking all about her "NDE" and what she said mirrored everything everyone else said. You can see in her writing how she was testing the waters before writing her book. I've listened to some of her podcasts and she teaches false doctrine. Her assertion that we have multiple probations is nothing more than teaching reincarnation, which Joseph Smith said was from the devil. She teaches energy healing, which is nothing more than a counterfeit of Satan. Then, when she blasted the Brethren, well, that says it all in a nutshell. She desperately needed to be excommunicated so she can repent. However, with her being possessed by a false spirit, I seriously doubt that will .happen

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kirtland r.m. wrote: May 27th, 2019, 5:31 pm

JD, JOHN TAYLOR 20:318

Were we surprised when the last terrible war took place here in the United States? No; good Latter-day Saints were not, for they had been told about it. Joseph Smith had told them where it would start, that it should be a terrible time of bloodshed and that it should start in South Carolina. But I tell you today the end is not yet. You will see worse things than that, for God will lay his hand upon this nation, and they will feel it more terribly than ever they have done before; there will be more bloodshed, more ruin, more devastation than never they have seen before. Write it down! You will see it come to pass; it is only just starting in. And would you feel to rejoice? No; I would feel sorry. I knew very well myself when this last war was commencing, and could have wept and did weep, over this nation; but there is yet to come a sound of war, trouble and distress, in which brother will be arrayed against brother, father against son, son against father, a scene of desolation and destruction that will permeate our land until it will be a vexation to hear the report thereof.

JD, ORSON PRATT 20:151


But what about the American nation. That war that destroyed the lives of some fifteen or sixteen hundred thousand people was nothing, compared to that which will eventually devastate that country. The time is not very far distant in the future, when the Lord God will lay his hand heavily upon that nations. "How do you know this? inquires one." I know from the revelations which God has given upon this subject. I read these revelations, when they were first given. I waited over twenty-eight years and saw their fulfillment to the very letter. Should I not, then, expect that the balance of them should be fulfilled? That same God who gave the revelations to his servant Joseph Smith in regard to these matters, will fulfil every jot and every tittle that has been spoken, concerning that nation. What then will be the condition of that people, when this great and terrible war shall come? It will be very different from the war between the North and the South. Do you wish me to describe it? I will do so. It will be a war of neighborhood against neighborhood, city against city, town against town, county against county, state against state, and they will go forth destroying and being destroyed and manufacturing will, in a great measure, cease, for a time, among the American nation. Why? Because in these terrible wars, they will not be privileged to manufacture, there will be too much bloodshed--too much mobocracy--too much going forth in bands and destroying and pillaging the land to suffer people to pursue any local vocation with any degree of safety. What will become of millions of the farmers upon that land? They will leave their farms and they will remain uncultivated, and they will flee before the ravaging armies from place to place; and thus will they go forth burning and pillaging the whole country; and that great and powerful nation, now consisting of some forty millions of people, will be wasted away, unless they repent.

TPJS, JOSEPH SMITH :161

I saw men hunting the lives of their own sons, and brother murdering brother, women killing their own daughters, and daughters seeking the lives of their mothers. I saw armies arrayed against armies. I saw blood, desolation, fires. The Son of man has said that the mother shall be against the daughters, and the daughter against the mother. These things are at our doors. They will follow the Saints of God from city to city. Satan will rage, and the spirit of the devil is now enraged. I know not how soon these things will take place; but with a view of them, shall I cry peace? No; I will lift up my voice and testify of them. How long you will have good crops, and the famine be kept off, I do not know; when the fig tree leaves, know then that the summer is nigh at hand.

No "call out"? There were many anciently. How about in the latter days? Kirtland, yes. Missouri, yes, Nauvoo, yes. Before the Lord returns, we will see even much worse than they saw. Nothing personal here, we just need to be ready for what comes. I feel that the quotes above, are describing events(including a second American civil war) which may occur in the seven years of trib. before His return. Look at that quote by the Prophet Joseph. It will get real ugly. Some will lose their faith, others will return, some will stand still, not knowing what to do. We may need to adjust our thinking when it begins big time. We will see what the meaning of gathering in stakes means. In Missouri, it appeared to mean bringing saints in the fringes of settled property into areas of strength with larger member populations. Even then, things got very tough.



Those are good quotes to keep in mind as we prepare for the coming tribulations.

I appreciate Kirtland's enthusiasm for preparing, though not some of his methodology.

Those quotes do not support the "callout" philosophy of a man mingled with scripture.

Zion has never been defined as a "tent city" anywhere in scripture. Anywhere. Extrapolations some have made of certain passages as confirmation bias are not proof of "tent cities." A modern apostle has told us that Zion is found in the wards and stakes. We have been told the Church will never flee into the wilderness again.



John Taylor, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 19, p. 307, April 8, 1878.
“Will this people grow and increase? Yes. And the time will come—it is not now, we are not prepared for it—when calamity and trouble and bloodshed, confusion and strife will spread among all the nations of the earth. The time will come, and is not far distant, when those who will not take up the sword to fight against their neighbors, will have to flee to Zion for safety. That was true some time ago, and it is nearer its fulfillment by a great many years than at the time it was first uttered.”


Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 9, p. 5, April 6, 1861.
“I heard Joseph Smith say, nearly thirty years ago, ‘They shall have mobbing to their heart's content, if they do not redress the wrongs of the Latter-day Saints.’ Mobs will not decrease, but will increase until the whole Government becomes a mob, and eventually it will be State against State, city against city, neighbourhood against neighbourhood, Methodists against Methodists, and so on. Probably you remember reading, not a week ago, an account of a Conference being held in Baltimore, in the course of which they seceded from their fellow churches in the free States. It will be the same with other denominations of professing Christians, and it will be Christian against Christian, and man against man; and those who will not take up the sword against their neighbours must flee to Zion.”



Wilford Woodruff, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 5, p. 268-269, September 27, 1857.
“If the United States make war upon this people, the Lord will hold them responsible for it, and the measure they mete will be measured unto them again; and if they are ripe and the cup of their iniquity full, they will be shattered to pieces—their union broken up and destroyed. They will be visited with thunder and lightning and hail and the judgments of God; and every man that will not draw his sword against his neighbour will be obliged to flee to Zion.”



George Q. Cannon, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 25, p. 243-244, June 22, 1884.
“The day will come when our own nation will be convulsed with intestine strife. The civil war that is past is not the only war that will take place in this land. It is a matter of regret to think it should be otherwise. But God has spoken. There will be intestine strife in our own nation. Already we can see, as it were, the seeds of this germinating and sprouting in the midst of neighborhoods and of communities, and it will break out after a while, and men will flee to Zion. The prediction was made 52 years ago by Joseph Smith, that the time would come when those that would not take up their sword to fight against their neighbor in this blessed land, (the most favored of any land under the heavens, so favored in government, so favored in climate, so favored in every element of wealth, and in all its surroundings) they would be compelled to come here for protection, for we will be the only people that will be at peace on the continent. That prediction was made 52 years ago. It will be fulfilled just as sure as God has spoken it.”


Moses Thatcher, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 26, p. 333-335, October 8, 1885.
“I will say when this nation, having sown to the wind, reaps the whirlwind; when brother takes up sword against brother; when father contends against son, and son against father; when he who will not take up his sword against his neighbor must needs flee to Zion for safety—then I would say to my friends come to Utah; for the judgments of God, commencing at the house of the Lord, will have passed away, and Utah, undisturbed, will be the most delightful place in all the Union. When war and desolation and bloodshed, and the ripping up of society come upon the nation, I have said to such, ‘Come to Utah and we will divide our morsel of food with you, we will divide our clothing with you, and we will offer you protection.’ I will tell you, my brethren and sisters, the day will come, and it is not far distant, when he who will not take up his sword against his neighbor, will have to flee to Zion for safety; and it is presupposed in this prediction that Zion will have power to give them protection.”



Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 8, p. 204-205, October 8, 1860.
“The time is nigh when every man that will not take up his sword against his neighbour must needs flee to Zion. Where is Zion? Where the organization of the Church of God is. And may it dwell spiritually in every heart; and may we so live as to always enjoy the Spirit of Zion!”

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discoqueendiva wrote: May 26th, 2019, 9:31 pm I found out from my mom, that julie was excommunicated and I decided long time ago I would not listen or read anymore material from her. To protect myself from being deceived, my mom didn't agree with me and defended her. But I still dont trust 100% every thing she talks about, plus I should be trusting the Lord and if there are mysteries of God's kingdom I will find out when christ returns. Cause i rather hear directly from him on all the mysteries that are floating about in the world. Plus i dont fully understand what is considered priest craft which the lord is against, and I often wonder what is considered priest craft, cause i felt to do you tube videos on gospel topics, but decided not too, because of fear ,that i might involve myself in priest craft. With energy healing i see no harm in it. Its like speaking things to happen, like how god said let there be light and there was light, the woman who touch jesus, said to herself if i just touch his garments i will be healed and she was healed, christ didnt always heal with laying on of hands, he often spoke words to heal a person or put mud on a mans eyes. So i have no issue with energy healing. But i have no idea what the lord thinks about it and why i stoped listening to julie,is because she has talked about stuff, that doesn't come from our prophets and apostles mouth's. That sound questionable or sound way out in left field. Like how she was married to other people before she came to earth and earth is not he first probationary state. Now this was deleted by herself so you wont be able find it. Also i dont like how she deleted her you tube stuff, even though i dont follow her anymore. If she really spoke truths why delete it just cause your excommunicated unless she was told too by the church leaders who excommunicated her. Just dosen't make any sense, so i stay away, to protect my spirit and the lord said many will come in my name, but it doesn't mean they are the true followers of christ and also we shall know them by there fruits. You all have your agency to choose what to believe and follow, I just caution you to not get decived by anyone and if you cant decern who is what etc. Pray for discernment ask for the lord to guide you. I personally have nothing against julie row, but i feel its better for me to listen to the prophet and feast on the scriptures and pray to the lord, and have the holy ghost as my guide, and wait for the lord to tell me the mysteries of god in person😁
Thanks for your courage to reply. Thanks for following your own personal revelation from The Lord & I admire your courage to test everything with The Lord & the Holy Ghost. Thank you for reminding us.
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Doc wrote: May 26th, 2019, 9:25 pm The premise behind a “call-out” is fundamentally flawed pertaining to the latter day establishment of Zion. A “call-out” ignores the directive that we are to gather in stakes, around our temples and churches, not in the wilderness.
Also worth noting that angels will gather Zion, not men through a callout:

JST Luke 17:36 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord, shall they be taken?

37 And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is gathered; or, in other words, whithersoever the saints are gathered, thither will the eagles be gathered together; or, thither will the remainder be gathered together.

38 This he spake, signifying the gathering of his saints; and of angels descending and gathering the remainder unto them; the one from the bed, the other from the grinding, and the other from the field, whithersoever he listeth.

39 For verily there shall be new heavens, and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

https://www.lds.org/scriptures/jst/jst- ... l?lang=eng

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lemuel wrote: May 28th, 2019, 11:40 am
Doc wrote: May 26th, 2019, 9:25 pm The premise behind a “call-out” is fundamentally flawed pertaining to the latter day establishment of Zion. A “call-out” ignores the directive that we are to gather in stakes, around our temples and churches, not in the wilderness.
Also worth noting that angels will gather Zion, not men through a callout:

JST Luke 17:36 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord, shall they be taken?

37 And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is gathered; or, in other words, whithersoever the saints are gathered, thither will the eagles be gathered together; or, thither will the remainder be gathered together.

38 This he spake, signifying the gathering of his saints; and of angels descending and gathering the remainder unto them; the one from the bed, the other from the grinding, and the other from the field, whithersoever he listeth.

39 For verily there shall be new heavens, and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

https://www.lds.org/scriptures/jst/jst- ... l?lang=eng
Hey great JST scripture! We so often defer to JST Matthew that we forget to look at the JST of the same discourse in Luke.

@Doc: Are the gatherers the call..out...ers? Will there never be a call to gather to Missouri, or are all those scriptures and prophesies null due to the current mandate?

Moses 7:62 And righteousness will I send down out of heaven; and truth will I send forth out of the earth, to bear testimony of mine Only Begotten; his resurrection from the dead; yea, and also the resurrection of all men; and righteousness and truth will I cause to sweep the earth as with a flood, to gather out mine elect from the four quarters of the earth, unto a place which I shall prepare, an Holy City, that my people may gird up their loins, and be looking forth for the time of my coming; for there shall be my tabernacle, and it shall be called Zion, a New Jerusalem


@Lemuel: Do angels or men gather the elect? Yes!

Joseph Smith commentary on the above Moses 7:62

Now I ask how righteousness and truth are agoing to sweep the earth as with a flood? I will answer:—Men and angels are to be co-workers in bringing to pass this great work: and a Zion is to be prepared; even a New Jerusalem, for the elect that are to be gathered from the four quarters of the earth,6 and to be established an holy city: for the tabernacle of the Lord shall be with them. ~ Joseph Smith

There's that key word again - I'm sure it's just a coincidence. The servant of Isaiah has nothing to do with the gathering of Israel after all ... ;)

And who or what is "the tabernacle of the Lord?"

Whoops, am I off topic here?

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Alaris wrote: May 27th, 2019, 7:01 pm I never thought Julie Rowe was legitimate and it seemed she was borrowing and trying to sell her borrowed goods as revelation....

However how many folks are so quick to condemn like there's some sick pleasure in her excommunication. What would the Lord say? Would He approve?
I agree with this completely. In the time I took off the forum, I learned more than in the previous several years. Some of what the original poster is saying is true. You will need personal revelation to get through the times that come. The sifting already started. The leadership of the church is greatly flawed and some are willfully destroying the work. I still don't feel either way on President Nelson, but I have a STRONG impression to keep going to church. I do believe that the top of the church is now looking at the situation in the leadership of the church and are working on it.

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*in this case, She's already dead.

Just a reminder that excommunicaiton is not a final condemnation to hell. Hopefully it's a process that leads the individual back onto the path towards eternal salvation.

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Juliet wrote: May 26th, 2019, 8:56 pm When it comes to someone's excommunication, isn't there some sort of privacy for this kind of thing? Please see response below

Is the reason for her excommunication any of our business? Yes but JR made it public by posting all the details on youtube.

I can only assume she was saying things that made people uneasy. It makes me want to know... uneasy? No. Sad? Yes.

Has the church made a statement against multiple mortal probations as being untrue? I know it has against reincarnation, but apparently this is different. It’s the same thing as reincarnation just repackaged to make it appealing to Christians. So yes it is false doctrine that The Church has condemned.

Is it a sin to pray for people and cast out devils? Where is the church doctrine on this? JR and energy healing summons evil spirits. She casts out nothing but good :(

Is it a sin to do energy healing? Yes. Where are the church's statements on this that clearly define what energy healing is and how it is sinful; as opposed to the vague references made in Elder Ballard's talk. His and The Church’s statement was very clear. If someone ignores his counsel, that’s their problem.

Is it a sin to be paid for spiritual work? Yes. Some call that priest craft. But isn't any gift to earn a living a spiritual gift? No. Where is the church's stance on this?

What about the church's stance on the laws of celestial marriage? What are the rules and exceptions? I don’t understand this ? and how it applies except that JR travels w and clandestinely meets w men w/o their wives or her husband present so not sure how much this group cherishes the sanctity of marriage.

If we can only find these answers by personal revelation, then certainly someone shouldn't be punished for sharing their beliefs. We believe that everyone has the right to worship according to the dictates of their own conscience and to believe how, where, or what they may. She can worship however she wants—and she does so obviously. If one does not follow the authorized teachings of The Church, they can be consequences. That’s how life works.

Is it ok for the church to stop a member from sharing their beliefs because they don't want it to reflect on the church as a whole? Absolutely.

I understand a lot of people don't like or care about anything Julie Rowe says. But not liking someone's beliefs isn't a reason for excommunication unless it is clearly against church doctrine. She is clearly against church doctrine—egregiously so point of fact.

I believe people should be free to share their beliefs. Stopping the exchange of ideas is extremely harmful, so harmful that it is acknowledged by the founding fathers in the bill of rights. The right to speech should not be infringed. Our own government acknowledges this. Our eleventh article of faith acknowledges this. So what exactly are these fruits that are rotten, besides the fact that most people don't like them? Where exactly are her teachings against the doctrine of the church, as specifically stated by our church leaders? no one has take the right of free speech away from her. For you to suggest otherwise is disingenuous. Every book, radio show, podcast, event she is responsible for contains false doctrine. It is very sad how easily she has deceived you and her followers.

If she is excommunicated for leading people astray, surely people have a right to know exactly why.

If not, we can assume it has nothing to do with anything she has said, (False). and is a private matter between her and the church. JR made it public

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DesertWonderer2 wrote: May 29th, 2019, 12:21 pm
Juliet wrote: May 26th, 2019, 8:56 pm When it comes to someone's excommunication, isn't there some sort of privacy for this kind of thing? Please see response below

Is the reason for her excommunication any of our business? Yes but JR made it public by posting all the details on youtube.

I can only assume she was saying things that made people uneasy. It makes me want to know... uneasy? No. Sad? Yes.

Has the church made a statement against multiple mortal probations as being untrue? I know it has against reincarnation, but apparently this is different. It’s the same thing as reincarnation just repackaged to make it appealing to Christians. So yes it is false doctrine that The Church has condemned.

Is it a sin to pray for people and cast out devils? Where is the church doctrine on this? JR and energy healing summons evil spirits. She casts out nothing but good :(

Is it a sin to do energy healing? Yes. Where are the church's statements on this that clearly define what energy healing is and how it is sinful; as opposed to the vague references made in Elder Ballard's talk. His and The Church’s statement was very clear. If someone ignores his counsel, that’s their problem.

Is it a sin to be paid for spiritual work? Yes. Some call that priest craft. But isn't any gift to earn a living a spiritual gift? No. Where is the church's stance on this?

What about the church's stance on the laws of celestial marriage? What are the rules and exceptions? I don’t understand this ? and how it applies except that JR travels w and clandestinely meets w men w/o their wives or her husband present so not sure how much this group cherishes the sanctity of marriage.

If we can only find these answers by personal revelation, then certainly someone shouldn't be punished for sharing their beliefs. We believe that everyone has the right to worship according to the dictates of their own conscience and to believe how, where, or what they may. She can worship however she wants—and she does so obviously. If one does not follow the authorized teachings of The Church, they can be consequences. That’s how life works.

Is it ok for the church to stop a member from sharing their beliefs because they don't want it to reflect on the church as a whole? Absolutely.

I understand a lot of people don't like or care about anything Julie Rowe says. But not liking someone's beliefs isn't a reason for excommunication unless it is clearly against church doctrine. She is clearly against church doctrine—egregiously so point of fact.

I believe people should be free to share their beliefs. Stopping the exchange of ideas is extremely harmful, so harmful that it is acknowledged by the founding fathers in the bill of rights. The right to speech should not be infringed. Our own government acknowledges this. Our eleventh article of faith acknowledges this. So what exactly are these fruits that are rotten, besides the fact that most people don't like them? Where exactly are her teachings against the doctrine of the church, as specifically stated by our church leaders? no one has take the right of free speech away from her. For you to suggest otherwise is disingenuous. Every book, radio show, podcast, event she is responsible for contains false doctrine. It is very sad how easily she has deceived you and her followers.

If she is excommunicated for leading people astray, surely people have a right to know exactly why.

If not, we can assume it has nothing to do with anything she has said, (False). and is a private matter between her and the church. JR made it public
I have pondered these scriptures when it comes to doctrine.

Celestial Marriage

D&C 132:

41 And as ye have asked concerning adultery, verily, verily, I say unto you, if a man receiveth a wife in the new and everlasting covenant, and if she be with another man, and I have not appointed unto her by the holy anointing, she hath committed adultery and shall be destroyed.

Multiple Mortal Probations:

After the final judgement, we are sent to one of three kingdoms. One of those kingdoms is the telestial kingdom.

This Earth is in a telestial state right now. That means those of us here are also in a telestial state. Are we going to be in a telestial state forever?

D&C 19:6 Nevertheless, it is not written that there shall be no end to this torment, but it is written endless torment.

D&C 93: 23 Ye were also in the beginning with the Father; that which is Spirit, even the Spirit of truth;

24 And truth is knowledge of things as they are, and as they were, and as they are to come;

25 And whatsoever is more or less than this is the spirit of that wicked one who was a liar from the beginning

19 I give unto you these sayings that you may understand and know how to worship, and know what you worship, that you may come unto the Father in my name, and in due time receive of his fulness.

20 For if you keep my commandments you shall receive of his fulness, and be glorified in me as I am in the Father; therefore, I say unto you, you shall receive grace for grace.

The way we will be saved will be by receiving grace by grace, and by the Spirit of Truth which tells us what what has been, what is, and what is to come.

How about energy healing.

Jesus taught:

12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

(John 14:13)

What works did Jesus do? He did works of healing, both remotely and by laying on of hands. Can only a priesthood holder have the gift to heal?

D&C 46:17 And again, verily I say unto you, to some is given, by the Spirit of God, the word of wisdom.

18 To another is given the word of knowledge, that all may be taught to be wise and to have knowledge.

19 And again, to some it is given to have faith to be healed;

20 And to others it is given to have faith to heal.

We see in these scriptures that the ability to heal is a gift and it is given by the spirit of God, not by the priesthood, and it operates by faith.
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None of the scriptures that you or anyone else have posted to try to support EH or MMP / reincarnation have anything to do with either. They both are utterly false ideas. Sorry.

Please go ask your bishop / SP about these ideas.

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