A concern for Julie Rowe.

[WildOliveBranch]

I am taking down my post defending Julie Rowe's right to speak up, which I still defend. The rest of what I wrote after that is just not necessary at this time.

[mirkwood]

Julie Rowe was rightly excommunicated. She was given plenty of time to repent and in her pride has chosen her course and the consequences. She has removed herself from the Lord's church.

[Themedicareguy]

Julie Rowe was rightly excommunicated. She was given plenty of time to repent and in her pride has chosen her course and the consequences. She has removed herself from the Lord's church.

Julie was excommunicated?

[gkearney]

The OP does bring up one point. Once you excommunicate someone at that point the Church authorities lose all abilities to exercise any influence over the actions of that person. Now some people will submit to such influence voluntarily but I rather doubt that is the case here. Rather it seems more likely to me that Julie Rowe will simply double down on her actions and cause even more harm than she already has.

[Juliet]

So is there a link between temple rennovations and people's accounts of ritual abuse under the temple?

Everything is speculation unless an investigation is done, and even if one is conducted, whose to say the information would ever be made public?

[Robin Hood]

Julie Rowe excommunicated?
Not surprising in the least, she has had it coming for years.
She's a fraud; that much was obvious to many of us from the very beginning.

[mirkwood]

Julie was excommunicated?

Yes, in April.

[True]

WildOliveBranch,

Go read what WitchHunter has said about the effect that Julie Rowe has had on his family in the “is the call out/tent cities still a thing” thread. His comments are on the fourth page.

[justme]

So out of morbid curiosity I listened to the first half of the podcast, I couldn't stomach more. Two thought popped out. She outright says at the beginning that Joseph Smith is listening to her podcast today. And then, if I understand her cryptic speaking correctly, she says that she knows from detail visions how her stake president will die for this. I thought that was very creepy and borderline criminal. I was interested to see how closely eric would play along and defend her.

[Themedicareguy]

So out of morbid curiosity I listened to the first half of the podcast, I couldn't stomach more. Two thought popped out. She outright says at the beginning that Joseph Smith is listening to her podcast today. And then, if I understand her cryptic speaking correctly, she says that she knows from detail visions how her stake president will die for this. I thought that was very creepy and borderline criminal. I was interested to see how closely eric would play along and defend her.

Did he? Her Stake president is mine as well. He is a wonderful man!

[Robin Hood]

Some of you know that I’ve been a fierce Julie Rowe defender, & in this newest news, again, I will not disappoint.

In some far distant memory, I feel I may even have covenanted to speak up in this very moment. So even though I keep hovering over the delete button, I now feel certain that I must hit "post" for I know this is my cue, for what good or evil comes of it, let the consequences follow. I know it is for the Truth in laying the Foundation for Building Up The Kingdom of God on The Earth as most of us have covenanted. I fear posting not my because of my defense of Julie, for that is pretty straight-forward, & I would do it in a heart-beat, but I feel timid about the suggestions I have felt urged to include in this post that follow my words about Julie. I hope you really read & hear with discernment because this is the only post I am going to make about this. The Lord told me to stay off forums a couple of months ago, & now He is granting me permission to step in for a moment & suggest a couple of heavier concerns. I will be posting this topic & then I am posting another shorter one that expands on a topic below. I'll respond to the best of my ability to any replies in the next few days, but then I'm probably going off again for a while.

This is not a pity post, nor is it a sympathy post nor am I whining nor joking anymore.
Julie is strong & she's going to be alright. More than alright.

But this IS a serious post & today is the day to post it. God help me & my family if we're not yet ready for the repercussions this may pull down upon us. I have grown children living in Utah & I pray to Heavenly Father in all begging & wholeheartedness, that they will be extremely protected from trouble once I post this. My Patriarchal Blessing assures me of this, that my children will be protected during the times of amiss in the last days, so I am trusting the Lord that he also meant protection from people that would otherwise seek to harm them from an organization that may become very angry with me when they read this. This is the only reason I feel secure enough to suggest what I suggest in this post. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints has been good to me all my days & it is within this Church that I have LOVED LOVED LOVED the gospel in all it's depths. I LOVE & ADORE BYU FOREVER also & the Ward my children & I lived in up near the MTC area. I LOVE the GOSPEL with all my heart.

I don't feel like signing my name at the end of this, because I just don't. But the officials I'm concerned about already know exactly who I am & they are paying attention to who will defend Julie Rowe. So I am not hiding in any way. I just don't need everybody else texting me, etc.

I defend Julie Rowe NOT in her "flawlessness," but by her heart & by how I believe that she tells the TRUTH about what she learns from the Lord by her gifts. Simple as that. Like a favorite Sunday School teacher that you look forward to hearing when it's their week to teach. Plain & simple. I LOVE TO HEAR HER REVELATIONS & ABOUT HER VISIONS, yet she is NOT my leader & I take no direction nor orders from her. She is a sister in Zion with a great mandate from The Lord. & soon we all will have great mandates from The Lord. Let’s hope we are brave enough to follow through on them. God bless our courage.

Since some of you tease me at times by saying I must *be* her or her sister or something, I assert again, that I do NOT know JULIE ROWE personally & in my earlier posts, I still had not ever met her. At this point, I have sent a few emails to her blog & I have received short pleasant responses a couple of times. I have not ever been able to attend any of her classes yet, but I would like to someday. I have never spoken with her nor Eric J. Smith on the phone, either. I read Eric's blog, too, whenever he puts up a new article. I will not hide that I am hoping he soon will write about the Olympians & I enjoyed hearing the two of them on this past week’s 3-hour radio broadcast.

So, yes, apparently she was excommunicated in the past month. I just learned about this & verified it this morning by listening to her YouTube post.

I'm glad, actually. If she's brave enough (& she is) to handle the discredit of her leaders, then I am actually gald she was excommunicated. Why? Because who can tell her now that she has no right to speak? Because now let the truth roll forth unhindered. Imagine what you are allowed to reveal when you no longer feel threatened that your temple recommend will being taken away. Liberty to speak what God told you to speak. Buckle-up your seat belts. We are now entering the no-go zone.

So that's it. That's all I was going to post & be done with it. But alas, I must continue. The rest doesn't have anything to do with Julie at all, except that she has seen what I'm talking about next. She did NOT teach it to me, I already knew about it. I lived in a Provo Ward in the early 1990s & had friends with close contact to the news I hint at below. I just thought it was sensational at the time & was raising babies so I couldn't take the time to understand better. I have researched further though, extensively, & I feel now that I have to go on record to say these things concern me, too, as they have concerned others like me.

So here are the parts of this post that I kept trying to delete after I wrote them & I just can't delete them. I just won't. My Patriarchal Blessing ALSO says that I need to testify of the truthfulness of the work of the Lord, which also means that I need to call out red flags, or else I am helping to perpetuate the parts of the work that have atrophied & that have cankered & corrupted.

So, although this seems random, yet it's actually quite RELATED & timely, & so perhaps the excommunication of Julie Rowe is the occasion in which folks will take a look at some deeper trouble. She had hinted that she was going to talk about these things, I was looking forward to hear if she would mention what I had already learned, & now, low & behold, she is excommunicated.

I'm just lighting a spark here, I am not going to defend my concern, so here it is:
Has anyone ever watched the YouTube video from last year about the satanic rituals that were going on in the BASEMENTS of the Salt Lake Temple in the late 1960s & 1970s? Not UPSTAIRS, but DOWNstairs, below even the level of the baptismal level. George P. Lee, the Native American General Authority, was excommunicated for speaking up about those catacombs at a Sunstone forum in 1992. & so SO interesting that he was also dead (not suicide, folks) soon after. Others have smugly discredited him by saying, "oh he was Indian so he had a drinking problem, blah blah blah." Well, so did Brigham Young, apparently, & Joseph Smith Senior, apparently. So my question is, if he had a drinking problem, could he not still discern that he saw black robes & blood at these ceremonies? Maybe he was drinking because he needed to keep from freaking out. I can't help but be a tad graphic & flippant in that past sentence, because if I am not clear, many of you will glaze right past what I'm asking/saying.

Therefore, it is also sooo interesting that the Salt Lake City temple is now closed for indefinite "renewal" now that President Nelson found out what was really going on under that place. I'm pretty sure he did NOT know what kind of a hornet's nest he stepped into when he all-of-a-sudden became President of the Church.. he was supposed to be fifth in line & was moved up to the front of the line pretty fast by the Lord in 2017-2018.

In our Church are the VERY holy & good people of Christ & some extraordinary prophets & leaders & yet there are also the VERY OPPOSITE. BOTH. We walk among BOTH in our Church. & The Lord is going to allow it. WHY? Because this is a TEST for us ALL. WHEN WE ARE FACED WITH EXCOMMUNICATION, WILL WE MAINTAIN WHAT WE KNOW WE HEARD FROM THE LORD OURSELVES THROUGH PERSONAL REVELATION OR WILL WE BUCKLE UNDER THE PRESSURE OF THE LOCAL INTERROGATION & FOLD? Yes, it sounds like the ruling regarding Julie's excommunication was sent down from Church HQ... but process this a bit before you nod your head so smugly. The LORD has allowed this to happen with both George P. Lee (& many others, by the way) & Julie Rowe to test you & me WAY MORE than testing them. Julie was already sure it was coming.

But the LORD is TESTING HIS LEADERS to SEE IF THEY WILL SCATTER HIS SHEEP by the bidding of their OTHER LEADERS above them. Hmmmmm. This is called bullying & it's the ultimate test. This is testing us all & especially leaders. Just remember the tares are gathered up first & burned. Not the wheat.

We've been told about the "whirlwind" & about the "tribulations." They are different. The whirlwind is the cleansing of the inner vessel. It starts at the Lord's House & within the Leadership FIRST. Then out to the membership of the Church (we all have inner cleansing to do), then out through United States, then North America, all based on privilege granted by The Lord that would not be appreciated & reverenced. I feel we are at the doors of this whirlwind right now & the Lord will literally REMOVE some of his sheep from the Church to protect them & then they will be protected in the "wilderness" outside the Church for a time, until the house-cleaning is completed. I believe WHOLEHEARTEDLY that PRESIDENT NELSON is at this time heading up this massive HEART SURGERY of the corruption. He knows that if he doesn't, the Lord surely will. I believe President Nelson is allowing lesser leaders to excommunicate folks because he knows it will be on the leaders' heads when The Lord meets them face-to-face. In fact, President Nelson, almost MUST allow it, for this is how leaders will be judged. He will not step in, just like The Lord does not always step in in unrighteous dominion. Not yet.

These are the LAST DAYS, FOLKS. Pay attention & don't listen to your friends & of course, not even me. Listen to your HEART & your MIND & consider carefully what you care about most & who you listen to. You don't need to listen to Julie Rowe AT ALL... You don't even have to believe her AT ALL. HOWEVER, WHO do you listen to? & what do you CARE about most? Those are two of the very most essential questions we must always ask ourselves every hour of every day.

It's not about Julie Rowe. Consider that. It's NOT about Julie Rowe. It's about you & me & our individual families. All news outside ourselves is still about ourselves & the test is: what will we choose to believe & understand when things get more challenging? Now you & I must define what we each believe & what our most cherished inner hopes & cares are. Do we believe in the true & Living resurrected Christ? The Church is about Christ. The Corporation of the President &/or Intellectual Reserve, Inc. are NOT/were NOT the Church. Those are entities, NOT the Church.The Corporation is the skin in which the Church is struggling to live. The Church is withIN that structure, for now, partially. But a Corporation is not a church. A church is a group of people.

I feel that President Nelson is gently leading us through the fog so that we will understand this. Remember he & Wendy were held at gunpoint a few years ago? He talked about this at a BYU Devotional about 4 years ago. How do you suppose President Nelson & Wendy could ever be separated out from a crowd in a way to be held at gunpoint? Who would want to kill them? Thieves? I don't think so. The government? I really REALLY don't believe so. There are Gadiantons among us. The Gadiantons were the Nephites who had once been holy but then became fierce & controlling. Maybe you are waiting for the earthquake Julie has seen in vision. Well, a physical earthquake would actually draw people together in helpfulness, etc. That's what natural disasters do for people. They help them learn to care about others. Well, this silent earthquake is actually MORE fun for the adversary, as no one can really tell what is going on until it's too late.

& by the way, the gunman DID pull the trigger on our President & his Wendy. But the gun would NOT fire. I DO believe that President Nelson is the right man for the calling of President of this Church & I believe he is a Prophet. HOWEVER, I also feel as inspired by WENDY's talks as much as his, & go ahead & excommunicate me for this, but, I feel that WENDY is a Prophetess. TOGETHER. Lynch me. Go ahead & try. I know the Lord is preserving me a bit longer so I will not run from you quite yet. So I dare say, THEY, both Russell M. & WENDY Nelson, were preserved to continue the Church of Christ within that jurisdiction & transition the Church through these strange times. THEY serve as a WITNESS COUPLE withIN this LATTER-DAY WORK. Just remember, we are in the Dispensation of the Fullness of Times & there will be more holy leaders called by yes, the SAME God, & the SAME CHRIST, to lead the Church of Christ in from the four quarters of the earth. Pay attention.

However, we really shouldn't look out to President Nelson NOR Julie Rowe, actually, as our first response to our inner cares nor our deepest worries. We ought to consider, what does the Lord say I should do in THIS moment for my worries & those I care about most? Then, when we hear our answer from the Lord, we check outside sources for our second &/or third witnesses AFTER our own prayer & discernment.

Do you know that when you post words in capital letters is signifies shouting?

[LdsMarco]

Sounds like someone is upset and mad about Julie Rowe being Ex'd.

All of a sudden you want to speak out about old stuff that happened in the past, which we still don't really know if it did happen. Am I denying that fact it can't be true? No. I'm not. Anything is possible but for you to say that Presiden Nelson or perhaps other leaders didn't know about it (if it's true), is seriously stupid of you. If the story is true, then they absolutely know about it. Especially because they're PSR's.

You kept saying "this isn't about Julie", oh come now. This has everything to do with her because you're very upset over it. Sadly, there are major red flags about her which I know of someone very close to me in my family that actually is related to someone else that knows her personally and even they say she's deceived.

Let's say she was legit and she received all these manifestations from God. Then why would she say too much about those things? Why must everyone believe that God actually told her to tell the whole world/church about it? Even I have experienced things I should have not spoken about with total rebuke from the Lord. We often get so excited about things he has shown us and take it upon ourselves to tell it.

You mentioned about the wheat and tares and so on. For some odd reason, those who are Ex'd always feel they're the innocent ones and that they are the wheat who are being treated wrongly. Well, who are you and everyone else who thinks they're righteous to say who is the wheat? God is the only one who knows who are his people.

I am 100% behind the leaders of the church. Mainly our PSR's who are guided by the Lord that they made the right decision to excommunicate her. It's been far too long and it's about time. Am I happy about someone being Ex'd? NO! Never! But we know in the scriptures -- those who lead others away from the TRUTH, they are to be EX'd. PERIOD.

Do Not Be Deceived!

[WildOliveBranch]

Thank you for bringing that to my attention.

[WildOliveBranch]

So out of morbid curiosity I listened to the first half of the podcast, I couldn't stomach more. Two thought popped out. She outright says at the beginning that Joseph Smith is listening to her podcast today. And then, if I understand her cryptic speaking correctly, she says that she knows from detail visions how her stake president will die for this. I thought that was very creepy and borderline criminal. I was interested to see how closely eric would play along and defend her.

Did he? Her Stake president is mine as well. He is a wonderful man!

I have supported many of your videos on YouTube.

[WildOliveBranch]

WildOliveBranch,

Go read what WitchHunter has said about the effect that Julie Rowe has had on his family in the “is the call out/tent cities still a thing” thread. His comments are on the fourth page.

okay I will read it

[Themedicareguy]

I feel very badly for her. I hope she can get the help she needs. Excommunication can be a good thing. She will not be judged as harshly now.

[LdsMarco]

So out of morbid curiosity I listened to the first half of the podcast, I couldn't stomach more. Two thought popped out. She outright says at the beginning that Joseph Smith is listening to her podcast today. And then, if I understand her cryptic speaking correctly, she says that she knows from detail visions how her stake president will die for this. I thought that was very creepy and borderline criminal. I was interested to see how closely eric would play along and defend her.

Did he? Her Stake president is mine as well. He is a wonderful man!

whatever, Marco... I have supported MANY of your videos on YouTube. You, too, are an angry individual on this campus. & yes, I DO believe that Pres. Nelson did not know the vast situation until he was in that office. Have you not heard of secret combinations going on behind people's backs? Your videos have much opinion, & so do I. We don't need to love what each other says. We just need to be allowed to speak our concerns, & THAT (yes, a little bit of shouting there) is what my point is with the Julie thing.

I'm sorry but you brought up some information about the Church to pretty much support your argument. It had nothing to do with Julie at all but you brought up stuff that we truly do not have 100% proof about. Which makes me feel that you're very angry and hurt by what happened and you now, in your own way, want to tear down the church leaders, etc. Whether you know that or not. You're doing it. Why would you even bring that up? Just an fyi, I do not make videos to be liked or have a following. Nor I make money off it. I do it because it is my duty to do so and I make sure I do not step over any boundaries of what our leaders have to say or what the scriptures say. Am I perfect at it? No. Am I saying I'm righteous? Heck no. I'm far from it. All I can say is that I try.

[Yahtzee]

Well, I listened to the whole thing. Same feeling I got the first time I listened to her - a distinct lack of humility. Hopefully this will help more people avoid her and not destroy their families.

[abijah]

Wild olive branch = Julie Rowe. LDSFF persona. So obvious. Go home darling, you’ve had enough.

[WildOliveBranch]

So out of morbid curiosity I listened to the first half of the podcast, I couldn't stomach more. Two thought popped out. She outright says at the beginning that Joseph Smith is listening to her podcast today. And then, if I understand her cryptic speaking correctly, she says that she knows from detail visions how her stake president will die for this. I thought that was very creepy and borderline criminal. I was interested to see how closely eric would play along and defend her.

Did he? Her Stake president is mine as well. He is a wonderful man!

whatever, Marco... I have supported MANY of your videos on YouTube. You, too, are an angry individual on this campus. & yes, I DO believe that Pres. Nelson did not know the vast situation until he was in that office. Have you not heard of secret combinations going on behind people's backs? Your videos have much opinion, & so do I. We don't need to love what each other says. We just need to be allowed to speak our concerns, & THAT (yes, a little bit of shouting there) is what my point is with the Julie thing.

I'm sorry but you brought up some information about the Church to pretty much support your argument. It had nothing to do with Julie at all but you brought up stuff that we truly do not have 100% proof about. Which makes me feel that you're very angry and hurt by what happened and you now, in your own way, want to tear down the church leaders, etc. Whether you know that or not. You're doing it. Why would you even bring that up? Just an fyi, I do not make videos to be liked or have a following. Nor I make money off it. I do it because it is my duty to do so and I make sure I do not step over any boundaries of what our leaders have to say or what the scriptures say. Am I perfect at it? No. Am I saying I'm righteous? Heck no. I'm far from it. All I can say is that I try.

Hi I started a new thread with an apology to you because when I answered you in a reply here it wouldn't post... trying again...

[WildOliveBranch]

WildOliveBranch,

Go read what WitchHunter has said about the effect that Julie Rowe has had on his family in the “is the call out/tent cities still a thing” thread. His comments are on the fourth page.

okay I will read it

Thanks. I wrote a whole answer to you & when I posted it disappeared. I get it. No one should be persuaded to hock their lives like that. I wrote more to you in the earlier try, but that's essentially what I said. Thanks & good night.

[WildOliveBranch]

Wild olive branch = Julie Rowe. LDSFF persona. So obvious. Go home darling, you’ve had enough.

Thanks. I'm not Julie Rowe. But I am going home because you're right, I've had enough.

[abijah]

Wild olive branch = Julie Rowe. LDSFF persona. So obvious. Go home darling, you’ve had enough.

Thanks. I'm not Julie Rowe. But I am going home because you're right, I've had enough.

Not buying it. If you want I could replace Eric. I am much more creative than he is.

Edit: because the edit function didn’t work the first time.

[True]

WildOliveBranch,

Go read what WitchHunter has said about the effect that Julie Rowe has had on his family in the “is the call out/tent cities still a thing” thread. His comments are on the fourth page.

okay I will read it

Thanks. I wrote a whole answer to you & when I posted it disappeared. I get it. No one should be persuaded to hock their lives like that. I wrote more to you in the earlier try, but that's essentially what I said. Thanks & good night.

Thank you for replying. I hate when everything disappears! That happens to me all the time on this forum and I just take it as a sign I wasn’t supposed to send it.

I wish you well in your journey. Staying off this site is probably the best thing you can do. I know I’m going to stop reading again. I left for a month or so and it was good for my soul. Wishing you the best:)

[Juliet]

When it comes to someone's excommunication, isn't there some sort of privacy for this kind of thing?

Is the reason for her excommunication any of our business?

I can only assume she was saying things that made people uneasy. It makes me want to know...

Has the church made a statement against multiple mortal probations as being untrue? I know it has against reincarnation, but apparently this is different.

Is it a sin to pray for people and cast out devils? Where is the church doctrine on this?

Is it a sin to do energy healing? Where are the church's statements on this that clearly define what energy healing is and how it is sinful; as opposed to the vague references made in Elder Ballard's talk.

Is it a sin to be paid for spiritual work? Some call that priest craft. But isn't any gift to earn a living a spiritual gift? Where is the church's stance on this?

What about the church's stance on the laws of celestial marriage? What are the rules and exceptions?

If we can only find these answers by personal revelation, then certainly someone shouldn't be punished for sharing their beliefs. We believe that everyone has the right to worship according to the dictates of their own conscience and to believe how, where, or what they may.

Is it ok for the church to stop a member from sharing their beliefs because they don't want it to reflect on the church as a whole?

I understand a lot of people don't like or care about anything Julie Rowe says. But not liking someone's beliefs isn't a reason for excommunication unless it is clearly against church doctrine.

I believe people should be free to share their beliefs. Stopping the exchange of ideas is extremely harmful, so harmful that it is acknowledged by the founding fathers in the bill of rights. The right to speech should not be infringed. Our own government acknowledges this. Our eleventh article of faith acknowledges this. So what exactly are these fruits that are rotten, besides the fact that most people don't like them? Where exactly are her teachings against the doctrine of the church, as specifically stated by our church leaders?

If she is excommunicated for leading people astray, surely people have a right to know exactly why.

If not, we can assume it has nothing to do with anything she has said, and is a private matter between her and the church.