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iwontbackdown wrote: ↑May 14th, 2019, 8:11 am

Stahura wrote: ↑May 14th, 2019, 8:07 am

iwontbackdown wrote: ↑May 14th, 2019, 7:55 am

Stahura wrote: ↑May 14th, 2019, 7:44 am
You misunderstand what it means to preside and what it means to submit. You also aren’t focusing on that only thing that matters.

So many are focused on dead works, mundane Worldly actions.

More members need to be spiritually reborn. Look inward, not outward.

Paul describes it like the relationship between Christ and the Church. The Church obeys Christ completely and totally in all things. Christ has complete and full authority over the Church. The Church doesn't exist without Christ and is wholly beholden to Him. Christ loves the Church and sacrifices Himself to it.

This is the only way it is understood. If you're against that same pattern for husbands and wives, you are the one misunderstanding.

It’s not, you’re off. I think you should back down

But real talk, every once in awhile someone shows up here with a check list condemning everyone, they somehow know literally everything. They make no concessions, no rebuttal is good enough, nobody else is ever right.

Sorry , that doesn’t work. You’re not going to be right all the time, you won’t have productive conversations . I pity people with this attitude, truly. I’ve seen many people ruin their own lives by acting like this.

I hope you can begin focusing on the things that matter some day. When you begin to look inward and God changes your heart, you’ll realize how his sweet daughters should be treated. (Hint, it’s not even close to what you’re rambling on about)

You hate God's word. I get it. Do you have anything else to say, or do you want to keep whining?

eddie wrote: ↑May 14th, 2019, 8:10 am

eddie wrote: ↑May 14th, 2019, 8:00 am

iwontbackdown wrote: ↑May 14th, 2019, 7:18 am

Stahura wrote: ↑May 13th, 2019, 2:43 pm

Sounds like this isn't a church for you either bud. Although you wish you could , you can't treat your women(plural) like second class citizens, force them to cover themselves, tell them to shut up and make you a sandwhich and have more babies. Can't go back in time either.

Guess it's a church for nobody then. Rip.

You gonna be here for awhile? Your type(The type who "Won't back down") usually bounce after a week or two. There's only so much condemnation you can dish out before you get bored. I actually hope you're here to stay.(Just tone it down a bit yeah?)

Here's some advice, take a look at this link and learn what REALLY matters. The Doctrine of Christ, the mighty change of heart, spiritual rebirth. Don't fret about tenets.

D&C 19:31 And of tenets thou shalt not talk, but thou shalt declare repentance and faith on the Savior, and remission of sins by baptism, and by fire, yea, even the Holy Ghost.


http://mightychangeofheart.com/etmc/

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My new life began with a wash of peace that filled and warmed my entire being. It was a feeling of burning throughout my whole body-but a sweet burning. The voice of the Lord came to me and said, “Your sins are forgiven.” I didn’t want to move. I could feel the warmth, the love, the joy, the total peace. I had the same experience the next morning and again on Sunday during the sacrament. December 1 6, exactly 54 weeks from the beginning of the journey. I turned it all over to the Lord. All of it I gave Him and He made me His. I knew my life was acceptable to Him. I was a new creature. I was gratefully His.

All the rest of my false beliefs He took. He took my sins. He took the condemnation I felt for myself and thus for others. He took all judgement from my heart, all the have to be’s and need to be’s and ought to be’s. I remember these things and the accompanying state of being only when He brings it to my recollection. The guilt and torment, the heaviness and burden has been washed away.
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"Second class citizens". What a bizarre statement.

There is nothing second class about being a wife and mother, taken care of, for life, of every need and desire by her husband. She doesn't have to worry about working, or wonder how she'll pay her mortgage. She will have her healthcare, her clothing, food, vacations, and any other expense paid for. She is free to pursue her hobbies and desires at home while her husband provides. Her husband will take the lead of the home, take responsibility of fixing and maintaining the home. Her husband, and other men will take the officiating responsibilities in the church. She just has to show up and everything will be provided.

All she has to do is care for the young children (until they leave the home), cook a few meals a week and keep things clean, and comfort her husband. Elder Richard G. Scott
“Beware of the subtle ways Satan employs to take you from the plan of God [2 Nephi 9:13] and true happiness. One of Satan’s most effective approaches is to demean the role of wife and mother in the home. That's it. In any culture or society I know of, this is the lifestyle of a Queen, not a second class citizen.

I have to wonder how we got here, to believe such a life of luxury and leisure is considered a burden and "second class". I would die to have such a role - to be taken care of like that. An old saying of my Mother's was, " You take the cake." " A lifestyle of luxury and leisure?" Where do you get off saying things like this? Get some help! This is a mass brainwashing by the film and news media the world has never seen before.

Every westernized nation today has a declining birth rate because of this. Our countries are LITERALLY dying. Japan is the worst example. They are losing a NET 8 million citizens every decade because their women aren't having children. By 2180, nobody will be left on the island at all. But this doesn't tell the whole story, because you cannot have a functioning society without young people working and innovating for the elderly. Collapse will come far, far sooner than that. The US, western Europe, and Australia are not far behind.

Whether women want to or not, we need more mothers for our societies to surivive. There is no technological substitute for the womb, for mothers. Stop hating on this God-given role. Stop attacking it. This is how God designed men and women. This is the way he prescribed for our happiness and eternal glory.

iwontbackdown wrote: ↑May 14th, 2019, 8:19 am

eddie wrote: ↑May 14th, 2019, 8:10 am

eddie wrote: ↑May 14th, 2019, 8:00 am

iwontbackdown wrote: ↑May 14th, 2019, 7:18 am

"Second class citizens". What a bizarre statement.

There is nothing second class about being a wife and mother, taken care of, for life, of every need and desire by her husband. She doesn't have to worry about working, or wonder how she'll pay her mortgage. She will have her healthcare, her clothing, food, vacations, and any other expense paid for. She is free to pursue her hobbies and desires at home while her husband provides. Her husband will take the lead of the home, take responsibility of fixing and maintaining the home. Her husband, and other men will take the officiating responsibilities in the church. She just has to show up and everything will be provided.

All she has to do is care for the young children (until they leave the home), cook a few meals a week and keep things clean, and comfort her husband. Elder Richard G. Scott
“Beware of the subtle ways Satan employs to take you from the plan of God [2 Nephi 9:13] and true happiness. One of Satan’s most effective approaches is to demean the role of wife and mother in the home. That's it. In any culture or society I know of, this is the lifestyle of a Queen, not a second class citizen.

I have to wonder how we got here, to believe such a life of luxury and leisure is considered a burden and "second class". I would die to have such a role - to be taken care of like that. An old saying of my Mother's was, " You take the cake." " A lifestyle of luxury and leisure?" Where do you get off saying things like this? Get some help! This is a mass brainwashing by the film and news media the world has never seen before.

Every westernized nation today has a declining birth rate because of this. Our countries are LITERALLY dying. Japan is the worst example. They are losing a NET 8 million citizens every decade because their women aren't having children. By 2180, nobody will be left on the island at all. But this doesn't tell the whole story, because you cannot have a functioning society without young people working and innovating for the elderly. Collapse will come far, far sooner than that. The US, western Europe, and Australia are not far behind.

Whether women want to or not, we need more mothers for our societies to surivive. There is no technological substitute for the womb, for mothers. Stop hating on this God-given role. Stop attacking it. This is how God designed men and women. This is the way he prescribed for our happiness and eternal glory.

I make well over six figures in my household. My stay-at-home wife spends 99% of it on whatever she wants, whenever she wants. All she has to do is help me clean the house every couple days, cook a hot meal on Sundays, and turn the TV on for our pre-school daughter. The rest of the day she can lie in bed, spend my money on Amazon, or shop at Target.

You don't call that a life of luxury? What planet are you living on?

iwontbackdown wrote: ↑May 14th, 2019, 8:19 am
I make well over six figures in my household. My stay-at-home wife spends 99% of it on whatever she wants, whenever she wants. All she has to do is help me clean the house every couple days, cook a hot meal on Sundays, and turn the TV on for our pre-school daughter. The rest of the day she can lie in bed, spend my money on Amazon, or shop at Target.

You don't call that a life of luxury? What planet are you living on? "second class citizen". Pffft. To think some people want to take that lifestyle away from women. That's mysoginy if I ever saw it.

Cc07 wrote: ↑May 14th, 2019, 8:12 amAnd maybe it was just that... a parable between Christ and His church and not actually between a man and wife. Also just as you’ve said- old laws were done away with the New Testament. So you once again you need to stop cherry picking.

iwontbackdown wrote: ↑May 14th, 2019, 8:19 am

eddie wrote: ↑May 14th, 2019, 8:10 am

eddie wrote: ↑May 14th, 2019, 8:00 am

iwontbackdown wrote: ↑May 14th, 2019, 7:18 am

"Second class citizens". What a bizarre statement.

There is nothing second class about being a wife and mother, taken care of, for life, of every need and desire by her husband. She doesn't have to worry about working, or wonder how she'll pay her mortgage. She will have her healthcare, her clothing, food, vacations, and any other expense paid for. She is free to pursue her hobbies and desires at home while her husband provides. Her husband will take the lead of the home, take responsibility of fixing and maintaining the home. Her husband, and other men will take the officiating responsibilities in the church. She just has to show up and everything will be provided.

All she has to do is care for the young children (until they leave the home), cook a few meals a week and keep things clean, and comfort her husband. Elder Richard G. Scott
“Beware of the subtle ways Satan employs to take you from the plan of God [2 Nephi 9:13] and true happiness. One of Satan’s most effective approaches is to demean the role of wife and mother in the home. That's it. In any culture or society I know of, this is the lifestyle of a Queen, not a second class citizen.

I have to wonder how we got here, to believe such a life of luxury and leisure is considered a burden and "second class". I would die to have such a role - to be taken care of like that. An old saying of my Mother's was, " You take the cake." " A lifestyle of luxury and leisure?" Where do you get off saying things like this? Get some help! This is a mass brainwashing by the film and news media the world has never seen before.

Every westernized nation today has a declining birth rate because of this. Our countries are LITERALLY dying. Japan is the worst example. They are losing a NET 8 million citizens every decade because their women aren't having children. By 2180, nobody will be left on the island at all. But this doesn't tell the whole story, because you cannot have a functioning society without young people working and innovating for the elderly. Collapse will come far, far sooner than that. The US, western Europe, and Australia are not far behind.

Whether women want to or not, we need more mothers for our societies to surivive. There is no technological substitute for the womb, for mothers. Stop hating on this God-given role. Stop attacking it. This is how God designed men and women. This is the way he prescribed for our happiness and eternal glory.

I make well over six figures in my household. My stay-at-home wife spends 99% of it on whatever she wants, whenever she wants. All she has to do is help me clean the house every couple days, cook a hot meal on Sundays, and turn the TV on for our pre-school daughter. The rest of the day she can lie in bed, spend my money on Amazon, or shop at Target.

You don't call that a life of luxury? What planet are you living on? "second class citizen". Pffft. To think some people want to take that lifestyle away from women. That's mysoginy if I ever saw it.

abijah wrote: ↑May 14th, 2019, 8:46 am

Cc07 wrote: ↑May 14th, 2019, 8:12 amAnd maybe it was just that... a parable between Christ and His church and not actually between a man and wife. Also just as you’ve said- old laws were done away with the New Testament. So you once again you need to stop cherry picking.

Wrong. It’s just as much a New Testament idea and in the Endowment (before they changed it).

I can’t believe someone would call this cherry picking. Do you even read the scriptures?

iwontbackdown wrote: ↑May 14th, 2019, 7:55 am Paul describes it like the relationship between Christ and the Church. The Church obeys Christ completely and totally in all things. Christ has complete and full authority over the Church. The Church doesn't exist without Christ and is wholly beholden to Him. Christ loves the Church and sacrifices Himself to it.

This is the only way it is understood. If you're against that same pattern for husbands and wives, you are the one misunderstanding.

RocknRoll wrote: ↑May 14th, 2019, 8:38 am

iwontbackdown wrote: ↑May 14th, 2019, 8:19 am
I make well over six figures in my household. My stay-at-home wife spends 99% of it on whatever she wants, whenever she wants. All she has to do is help me clean the house every couple days, cook a hot meal on Sundays, and turn the TV on for our pre-school daughter. The rest of the day she can lie in bed, spend my money on Amazon, or shop at Target.

You don't call that a life of luxury? What planet are you living on? "second class citizen". Pffft. To think some people want to take that lifestyle away from women. That's mysoginy if I ever saw it.

We get it. You’re having marital problems and have some kind of jealousy and/or animosity towards your wife. I truly hope you can work this out and begin to have a happy marriage a happy life and grow closer to God as a couple.

thestock wrote: ↑May 14th, 2019, 8:48 am

iwontbackdown wrote: ↑May 14th, 2019, 8:19 am

eddie wrote: ↑May 14th, 2019, 8:10 am

eddie wrote: ↑May 14th, 2019, 8:00 am

I make well over six figures in my household. My stay-at-home wife spends 99% of it on whatever she wants, whenever she wants. All she has to do is help me clean the house every couple days, cook a hot meal on Sundays, and turn the TV on for our pre-school daughter. The rest of the day she can lie in bed, spend my money on Amazon, or shop at Target.

You don't call that a life of luxury? What planet are you living on? "second class citizen". Pffft. To think some people want to take that lifestyle away from women. That's mysoginy if I ever saw it.

Wow. What a lucky woman she must be. Its like she gets to be 8 years old and living with her daddy for the rest of her life.

I dont know if what I am about to say conforms to the spirit of the subject of this thread: but if heaven is going to full of whatever it is that you are, then get me as far away from it as possible. I'd rather spend eternity with loving and rational people, then with your prideful ilk.

thestock wrote: ↑May 14th, 2019, 8:50 am

RocknRoll wrote: ↑May 14th, 2019, 8:38 am

iwontbackdown wrote: ↑May 14th, 2019, 8:19 am
I make well over six figures in my household. My stay-at-home wife spends 99% of it on whatever she wants, whenever she wants. All she has to do is help me clean the house every couple days, cook a hot meal on Sundays, and turn the TV on for our pre-school daughter. The rest of the day she can lie in bed, spend my money on Amazon, or shop at Target.

You don't call that a life of luxury? What planet are you living on? "second class citizen". Pffft. To think some people want to take that lifestyle away from women. That's mysoginy if I ever saw it.

We get it. You’re having marital problems and have some kind of jealousy and/or animosity towards your wife. I truly hope you can work this out and begin to have a happy marriage a happy life and grow closer to God as a couple.

Is it possible his username is in reference to his wife's rejection of his sexual efforts towards her? Armchair psychologist here but it fits!

abijah wrote: ↑May 14th, 2019, 8:49 am

iwontbackdown wrote: ↑May 14th, 2019, 7:55 am Paul describes it like the relationship between Christ and the Church. The Church obeys Christ completely and totally in all things. Christ has complete and full authority over the Church. The Church doesn't exist without Christ and is wholly beholden to Him. Christ loves the Church and sacrifices Himself to it.

This is the only way it is understood. If you're against that same pattern for husbands and wives, you are the one misunderstanding.

Thank you for this sensible post. Shame how people can’t understand this and instead of responding to sound doctrine they go after you personally.

Stahura wrote: ↑May 14th, 2019, 9:26 am

abijah wrote: ↑May 14th, 2019, 8:49 am

iwontbackdown wrote: ↑May 14th, 2019, 7:55 am Paul describes it like the relationship between Christ and the Church. The Church obeys Christ completely and totally in all things. Christ has complete and full authority over the Church. The Church doesn't exist without Christ and is wholly beholden to Him. Christ loves the Church and sacrifices Himself to it.

This is the only way it is understood. If you're against that same pattern for husbands and wives, you are the one misunderstanding.

Thank you for this sensible post. Shame how people can’t understand this and instead of responding to sound doctrine they go after you personally.

Sensible? Nah.

Iwontbackdown won’t care, but since the 70s the church has frequently spoken of women, and even back then in the good old days when women were “properly domesticated “ leaders made sure to define submission and it was NOT what this Dude(or you) is describing.

I mean you’re one of those that agreed with benaishtart when he says that raped women will forever be unclean, so I don’t know why I bother responding to you.

His posts are far from sensible. He cherry picks scriptures , sticks to his own little interpretation and refuses to acknowledge a single rebuttal.

eddie wrote: ↑May 14th, 2019, 9:29 am

Stahura wrote: ↑May 14th, 2019, 9:26 am

abijah wrote: ↑May 14th, 2019, 8:49 am

iwontbackdown wrote: ↑May 14th, 2019, 7:55 am Paul describes it like the relationship between Christ and the Church. The Church obeys Christ completely and totally in all things. Christ has complete and full authority over the Church. The Church doesn't exist without Christ and is wholly beholden to Him. Christ loves the Church and sacrifices Himself to it.

This is the only way it is understood. If you're against that same pattern for husbands and wives, you are the one misunderstanding.

Thank you for this sensible post. Shame how people can’t understand this and instead of responding to sound doctrine they go after you personally.

Sensible? Nah.

Iwontbackdown won’t care, but since the 70s the church has frequently spoken of women, and even back then in the good old days when women were “properly domesticated “ leaders made sure to define submission and it was NOT what this Dude(or you) is describing.

I mean you’re one of those that agreed with benaishtart when he says that raped women will forever be unclean, so I don’t know why I bother responding to you.

His posts are far from sensible. He cherry picks scriptures , sticks to his own little interpretation and refuses to acknowledge a single rebuttal.

He reminds me of a previous poster who was removed from the forum, but I do hope Brian lets us keep him! LOLOL

Stahura wrote: ↑May 14th, 2019, 9:26 amI mean you’re one of those that agreed with benaishtart when he says that raped women will forever be unclean, so I don’t know why I bother responding to you.

His posts are far from sensible. He cherry picks scriptures , sticks to his own little interpretation and refuses to acknowledge a single rebuttal.

Stahura wrote: ↑May 14th, 2019, 9:26 am

abijah wrote: ↑May 14th, 2019, 8:49 am

iwontbackdown wrote: ↑May 14th, 2019, 7:55 am Paul describes it like the relationship between Christ and the Church. The Church obeys Christ completely and totally in all things. Christ has complete and full authority over the Church. The Church doesn't exist without Christ and is wholly beholden to Him. Christ loves the Church and sacrifices Himself to it.

This is the only way it is understood. If you're against that same pattern for husbands and wives, you are the one misunderstanding.

Thank you for this sensible post. Shame how people can’t understand this and instead of responding to sound doctrine they go after you personally.

Sensible? Nah.

Iwontbackdown won’t care, but since the 70s the church has frequently spoken of women, and even back then in the good old days when women were “properly domesticated “ leaders made sure to define submission and it was NOT what this Dude(or you) is describing.

I mean you’re one of those that agreed with benaishtart when he says that raped women will forever be unclean, so I don’t know why I bother responding to you.

His posts are far from sensible. He cherry picks scriptures , sticks to his own little interpretation and refuses to acknowledge a single rebuttal.

iwontbackdown wrote: ↑May 14th, 2019, 9:37 am

Stahura wrote: ↑May 14th, 2019, 9:26 am

abijah wrote: ↑May 14th, 2019, 8:49 am

iwontbackdown wrote: ↑May 14th, 2019, 7:55 am Paul describes it like the relationship between Christ and the Church. The Church obeys Christ completely and totally in all things. Christ has complete and full authority over the Church. The Church doesn't exist without Christ and is wholly beholden to Him. Christ loves the Church and sacrifices Himself to it.

This is the only way it is understood. If you're against that same pattern for husbands and wives, you are the one misunderstanding.

Thank you for this sensible post. Shame how people can’t understand this and instead of responding to sound doctrine they go after you personally.

Sensible? Nah.

Iwontbackdown won’t care, but since the 70s the church has frequently spoken of women, and even back then in the good old days when women were “properly domesticated “ leaders made sure to define submission and it was NOT what this Dude(or you) is describing.

I mean you’re one of those that agreed with benaishtart when he says that raped women will forever be unclean, so I don’t know why I bother responding to you.

His posts are far from sensible. He cherry picks scriptures , sticks to his own little interpretation and refuses to acknowledge a single rebuttal.

You think I'm talking about "raping" women and "domesticating" them? You have a sick mind, dude. Go back and try again.

Stahura wrote: ↑May 14th, 2019, 9:26 am

abijah wrote: ↑May 14th, 2019, 8:49 am

iwontbackdown wrote: ↑May 14th, 2019, 7:55 am Paul describes it like the relationship between Christ and the Church. The Church obeys Christ completely and totally in all things. Christ has complete and full authority over the Church. The Church doesn't exist without Christ and is wholly beholden to Him. Christ loves the Church and sacrifices Himself to it.

This is the only way it is understood. If you're against that same pattern for husbands and wives, you are the one misunderstanding.

Thank you for this sensible post. Shame how people can’t understand this and instead of responding to sound doctrine they go after you personally.

Sensible? Nah.

Iwontbackdown won’t care, but since the 70s the church has frequently spoken of women, and even back then in the good old days when women were “properly domesticated “ leaders made sure to define submission and it was NOT what this Dude(or you) is describing.

I mean you’re one of those that agreed with benaishtart when he says that raped women will forever be unclean, so I don’t know why I bother responding to you.

His posts are far from sensible. He cherry picks scriptures , sticks to his own little interpretation and refuses to acknowledge a single rebuttal.

iwontbackdown wrote: ↑May 14th, 2019, 9:51 am "Yes, you want women to cover their heads." - Not me, Paul, In the Scriptures.
"you want them to be silent." - Not me, Paul and Peter, In the Scriptures
"You want them to sit in the pews, Heaven forbid they stand at the pulpit. -Not exactly in the Scriptures, but both Paul and Peter say say they shouldn't "rule".
"You want them to obey completely and totally in all things." - Not me, Paul, In the Scriptures, just as the Church obeys Christ.
"You essentially want a pet, but a pet that will bear your seed." -Not a pet, someone I love more than anything in the world. And yes, it is their duty to bear children. This was God's first commandment to Adam and Eve.
"and make you sandwiches and clean your house and then do various activities with you when you tell her it's time to play with you. " - In the Scriptures and also in The Family: A Proclamation To the World.

"Interesting that you say I have a sick mind, because I'm describing your worldview. It is sick, so stop it. It's wrong.". You don't think I have a sick mind, you think Paul, Peter, and Jesus Christ himself who GAVE them those commandments, are sick. Let's get it right.

iwontbackdown wrote: ↑May 14th, 2019, 8:49 am

abijah wrote: ↑May 14th, 2019, 8:46 am

Cc07 wrote: ↑May 14th, 2019, 8:12 amAnd maybe it was just that... a parable between Christ and His church and not actually between a man and wife. Also just as you’ve said- old laws were done away with the New Testament. So you once again you need to stop cherry picking.

Wrong. It’s just as much a New Testament idea and in the Endowment (before they changed it).

I can’t believe someone would call this cherry picking. Do you even read the scriptures?

And because they changed it, they will be damned as D&C 132:4 describes.

abijah wrote: ↑May 14th, 2019, 9:34 am

Stahura wrote: ↑May 14th, 2019, 9:26 amI mean you’re one of those that agreed with benaishtart when he says that raped women will forever be unclean, so I don’t know why I bother responding to you.

I don’t recall saying this. And while I don’t think they will be “forever unclean”, I do think their were reasons why Tamara daughter of David was so distraught about her brother Amnon not marrying her after violating her. She herself says it was even worse than the rape itself.

His posts are far from sensible. He cherry picks scriptures , sticks to his own little interpretation and refuses to acknowledge a single rebuttal.

Not really familiar with his posts besides the few that I’ve read here. Just pointing out that I have yet to see you or anyone here show how his post I called “sensible” to be incorrect, or cherry picking.