100% HARD TRUTH ABOUT TRUMP

[Juliet]

I have been taking note of instances that may denote that Trump is carefully changing position from good to evil. I guess in my heart I expected it because it would be the perfect way to pull one over on the American people and I do believe the black projects have the technology to take someone over or replace them if needed without there being a change in physical appearance.

I do not believe the Christian narrative that you can never be forgiven for taking the mark of the beast. All of our DNA has become corrupt. Jesus can restore it. But the devil will never say that. He will always say it's too late you are mine forever now, and he makes a believable case. But taking the mark may mean a long time in hell since it's like you turned off your WiFi connection to God, now someone is going to have to come rescue you manually. And that may take a few thousand years to get to everyone. And it is a huge difference to have your DNA corrupt out of innocence verses consciously choosing to corrupt it.

I do thank Trump for all he has done to stop human trafficking and he deserves praise for standing up against the elite. But only prayer and God will be able to keep the bad guys from corrupting him. And if he is standing strong against the elite then surely they will find a way to feed us messages to get us to begin to doubt him.

Ultimately by their fruits ye shall know them. I do not like how Trump said to take the guns first and do the trial by jury later in regards to someone being a risk of becoming a mass shooter due to mental Illness. That was all that was needed to institute gun control.

I also do not like how he said people need to get vaccinated because of the recent measles outbreaks.

The fact that he is right on in regards to the border, the drugs and large amount of human trafficking, but nothing is being done about it, one has to question if he is playing a double game.

In this way, he and the Republicans are worse than the Democrats. For the Republicans are actively betraying their base, while at least the Democrats are honest about wanting to destroy our country's freedom.

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so what's your opinion on this covenant spoken of in Daniel - this peace deal that
Trump is supposed to do on JUNE 7TH .with Israel after Ramadan ends .

Trump Peace Plan: Leak indicates Jerusalem To Be Split
SR Monette
click on this link (right below)- not on video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVPtr4e0ctI

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=51461&p=929959&hilit=peace#p929959

Would you make a deal to split Israel if it meant Jerusalem got her temple?

[BeNotDeceived]

The first few years for Egypt during the 7 years of famine weren't too bad. It was the last few years that really took their toll. Things will radically get worse, exponentially.

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so again, I do not see how this applies to us right now.
there is NO reason to assume that the 7 years of prosperity started when Trump took office .
More like - the 7 years of tribulation started, especially from what we are seeing going on - like this Trump peace deal and all that is going on around the World .

Wait till the Dems take over again then we'll see who's crying the loudest. I believe we have had a reprieve with Trump from what could be a downfall of America. As long as we have Republicans in office we might have a chance to survive, but when Americans choose evil as a norm, God will step in and sweep this land clean of wickedness, and it won't be pretty. Some here believe that it will be called the cleansing of America.

Who knows with Trump in office we might have a few years of prosperity left, otherwise, we could slip into the times of despair. We'll' see where the chips fall, either way, right? We can argue, rant, dispute, blame and speculate but what is actually going to happen may not be far off and we can't do a thing about it. Only God knows.

I do know this much, however, all these protest groups going about causing chaos and burning our flag and whatever else their evil causes are...they're not going to like hell one bit.

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no. I totally agree.
you might of had me pegged wrong.
I've been completely behind Trump from the beginning.
If we all want to know what it would of looked like to be in hell -
with total power and control over us with the NWO -
we should have let HC take office.

Trump has totally fought against evil, until they've come against him so much
with everything they've got, that he can't even perform his job as president.

but I think things change - and at this point i think he has fulfilled the plan
and position that was set out for him.

Two VERY BIG EVIL THINGS that Trump has been for or has not fought against is
the evil abortion issue, and wanting 5G and more.
So I believe the tables have turned, and we are out of time, and war will begin.

I DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE 7 YEARS OF PROSPERITY .
How can you know when it started when you can't see any difference in our situation -
we have always had prosperity - now comes the judgments and the 7 YEAR TRIBULATION.

How marked was Joseph’s prosperity, over years leading up to it? GDP growth rate is the key performance parameter used today to evaluate experimental protocol, as spelled out in other threads.

Has there, in US history, ever been 7 consecutive years exceeding 2.5 % GDP growth rate? The timing of major lunar events is also a consideration.

[markharr]

if the 7 years of prosperity started when Trump took office - I'm not buying it.
There's no way we have 5 more years.

The start of the seven years of prosperity was signalled with the solar eclipse of Sep 2017. We have roughly five more years. The seven years of tribulation will start with the solar eclipse of April 2024.

[justme]

if the 7 years of prosperity started when Trump took office - I'm not buying it.
There's no way we have 5 more years.

The start of the seven years of prosperity was signalled with the solar eclipse of Sep 2017. We have roughly five more years. The seven years of tribulation will start with the solar eclipse of April 2024.

What does eclipses have to do with anything about economics.

[markharr]

if the 7 years of prosperity started when Trump took office - I'm not buying it.
There's no way we have 5 more years.

The start of the seven years of prosperity was signalled with the solar eclipse of Sep 2017. We have roughly five more years. The seven years of tribulation will start with the solar eclipse of April 2024.

What does eclipses have to do with anything about economics.

Everything, but not just economics.

https://www.lds.org/manual/teachings-jo ... 1?lang=eng

[justme]

if the 7 years of prosperity started when Trump took office - I'm not buying it.
There's no way we have 5 more years.

The start of the seven years of prosperity was signalled with the solar eclipse of Sep 2017. We have roughly five more years. The seven years of tribulation will start with the solar eclipse of April 2024.

What does eclipses have to do with anything about economics.

Everything, but not just economics.

https://www.lds.org/manual/teachings-jo ... 1?lang=eng

So which controls which. Does the line up of the sun-earth-moon cause these things or do these things cause the sun moon and earth to line up?

[markharr]

The start of the seven years of prosperity was signalled with the solar eclipse of Sep 2017. We have roughly five more years. The seven years of tribulation will start with the solar eclipse of April 2024.

What does eclipses have to do with anything about economics.

Everything, but not just economics.

https://www.lds.org/manual/teachings-jo ... 1?lang=eng

So which controls which. Does the line up of the sun-earth-moon cause these things or do these things cause the sun moon and earth to line up?

I can see that I am being mocked here. Nobody is forcing you to believe in a creator or celestial signs and wonders.

Since you asked, God knows all things and places signs in the heavens to warn the righteous to prepare.

20 O how great the holiness of our God! For he knoweth all things, and there is not anything save he knows it. -2- Nephi 9

[justme]

What does eclipses have to do with anything about economics.

Everything, but not just economics.

https://www.lds.org/manual/teachings-jo ... 1?lang=eng

So which controls which. Does the line up of the sun-earth-moon cause these things or do these things cause the sun moon and earth to line up?

I can see that I am being mocked here. Nobody is forcing you to believe in a creator or celestial signs and wonders.

Since you asked, God knows all things and places signs in the heavens to warn the righteous to prepare.

20 O how great the holiness of our God! For he knoweth all things, and there is not anything save he knows it. -2- Nephi 9

Oh I do believe in the creator. Most definitely. One of my favorite scriptures is Alma 30:44. I am fascinated by the orderly movement of the planets and feel that it, and all of science, testify that there is a God. But that orderly movement that Alma testifies of is not tied to various conditions on this planet.

[markharr]

Everything, but not just economics.

https://www.lds.org/manual/teachings-jo ... 1?lang=eng

So which controls which. Does the line up of the sun-earth-moon cause these things or do these things cause the sun moon and earth to line up?

I can see that I am being mocked here. Nobody is forcing you to believe in a creator or celestial signs and wonders.

Since you asked, God knows all things and places signs in the heavens to warn the righteous to prepare.

20 O how great the holiness of our God! For he knoweth all things, and there is not anything save he knows it. -2- Nephi 9

Oh I do believe in the creator. Most definitely. One of my favorite scriptures is Alma 30:44. I am fascinated by the orderly movement of the planets and feel that it, and all of science, testify that there is a God. But that orderly movement that Alma testifies of is not tied to various conditions on this planet.

Going to have to agree to disagree. I think god sees all things at once and he knew that we would turn wicked and make choices that would cause economic ruin. I think he knows it all down to the date it will happen even though we hadn't made those choices yet. How else do you explain pharoah having the dream of the skinny cows eating the fat cows before those events happened?

[I AM]

if the 7 years of prosperity started when Trump took office - I'm not buying it.
There's no way we have 5 more years.

The start of the seven years of prosperity was signalled with the solar eclipse of Sep 2017. We have roughly five more years. The seven years of tribulation will start with the solar eclipse of April 2024.

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I believe that's when the 7 years of tribulation will end with the solar eclipse of April 2024.
I tend to believe along these lines.
at this point on the video (7hr. 16min 45 sec.)
click link below

https://youtu.be/aH0SYG6OQXA?t=26204

[justme]

So which controls which. Does the line up of the sun-earth-moon cause these things or do these things cause the sun moon and earth to line up?

I can see that I am being mocked here. Nobody is forcing you to believe in a creator or celestial signs and wonders.

Since you asked, God knows all things and places signs in the heavens to warn the righteous to prepare.

20 O how great the holiness of our God! For he knoweth all things, and there is not anything save he knows it. -2- Nephi 9

Oh I do believe in the creator. Most definitely. One of my favorite scriptures is Alma 30:44. I am fascinated by the orderly movement of the planets and feel that it, and all of science, testify that there is a God. But that orderly movement that Alma testifies of is not tied to various conditions on this planet.

Going to have to agree to disagree. I think god sees all things at once and he knew that we would turn wicked and make choices that would cause economic ruin. I think he knows it all down to the date it will happen even though we hadn't made those choices yet. How else do you explain pharoah having the dream of the skinny cows eating the fat cows before those events happened?

I actually believe all these things. On that we can agree.

The mechanisms of the solar system is a giant clock in some sense, absolutely stunning and beautiful from a scientific point of view. As with Alma I believe this testifies of a creator. Part of that clockwork created by God causes eclipses on a regular predictable basis. Science has known this for ages. They simply happen as expected.

Now I agree that man's behaviour is known to God including the timing. It is possible that God started and designed the clockwork of the universe to line up with mans behaviour, or at least occasionally uses as a sign. But I see no spiritual nor scientific reason to believe every eclipse is an omen.

[markharr]

I can see that I am being mocked here. Nobody is forcing you to believe in a creator or celestial signs and wonders.

Since you asked, God knows all things and places signs in the heavens to warn the righteous to prepare.

20 O how great the holiness of our God! For he knoweth all things, and there is not anything save he knows it. -2- Nephi 9

Oh I do believe in the creator. Most definitely. One of my favorite scriptures is Alma 30:44. I am fascinated by the orderly movement of the planets and feel that it, and all of science, testify that there is a God. But that orderly movement that Alma testifies of is not tied to various conditions on this planet.

Going to have to agree to disagree. I think god sees all things at once and he knew that we would turn wicked and make choices that would cause economic ruin. I think he knows it all down to the date it will happen even though we hadn't made those choices yet. How else do you explain pharoah having the dream of the skinny cows eating the fat cows before those events happened?

I actually believe all these things. On that we can agree.

The mechanisms of the solar system is a giant clock in some sense, absolutely stunning and beautiful from a scientific point of view. As with Alma I believe this testifies of a creator. Part of that clockwork created by God causes eclipses on a regular predictable basis. Science has known this for ages. They simply happen as expected.

Now I agree that man's behaviour is known to God including the timing. It is possible that God started and designed the clockwork of the universe to line up with mans behaviour, or at least occasionally uses as a sign. But I see no spiritual nor scientific reason to believe every eclipse is an omen.

but when they are spaced almost exactly seven years a part and form an x over the nation that will receive God's condemnation its worth taking note.

As far as economics are concerned, I don't think God cares whether we are financially wealthy or not. The seven years of prosperity exist for the righteous who are paying attention to prepare for the seven years of tribulation. They do not exist to make us wealthy. The seven years of tribulation will be more than an economic collapse. There will be droughts, plagues, war, disease and famine.

[The Airbender]

if the 7 years of prosperity started when Trump took office - I'm not buying it.
There's no way we have 5 more years.

The first few years for Egypt during the 7 years of famine weren't too bad. It was the last few years that really took their toll. Things will radically get worse, exponentially.

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so again, I do not see how this applies to us right now.
there is NO reason to assume that the 7 years of prosperity started when Trump took office .
More like - the 7 years of tribulation started, especially from what we are seeing going on - like this Trump peace deal and all that is going on around the World .

You're right. I read tribulation instead of peace in your post. I believe we are 3 years into the tribulations. Started with the Great American Eclipse and ends in 24 with the next eclipse.

[I AM]

if the 7 years of prosperity started when Trump took office - I'm not buying it.
There's no way we have 5 more years.

The first few years for Egypt during the 7 years of famine weren't too bad. It was the last few years that really took their toll. Things will radically get worse, exponentially.

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so again, I do not see how this applies to us right now.
there is NO reason to assume that the 7 years of prosperity started when Trump took office .
More like - the 7 years of tribulation started, especially from what we are seeing going on - like this Trump peace deal and all that is going on around the World .

Wait till the Dems take over again then we'll see who's crying the loudest. I believe we have had a reprieve with Trump from what could be a downfall of America. As long as we have Republicans in office we might have a chance to survive, but when Americans choose evil as a norm, God will step in and sweep this land clean of wickedness, and it won't be pretty. Some here believe that it will be called the cleansing of America.

Who knows with Trump in office we might have a few years of prosperity left, otherwise, we could slip into the times of despair. We'll' see where the chips fall, either way, right? We can argue, rant, dispute, blame and speculate but what is actually going to happen may not be far off and we can't do a thing about it. Only God knows.

I do know this much, however, all these protest groups going about causing chaos and burning our flag and whatever else their evil causes are...they're not going to like hell one bit.

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I guess you, and all those who are for Trump just might like this video,
even eddie, who btw, has been so against me and made fun of my other post that I posted with a video by the same guy. -
"you sure you're going to heaven"

President Trump & State of Israel... Our Enemies???
The Sword of YHVH

the video stops shaking around 5 min btw

[markharr]

It is my opinion that Trump could have only made it through the previous few years with the assistance and support of the Lord. I know this is going to be controversial to some but let's look at the facts about what he was up against over the past three years.



I will be the first to admit that Trump has likely done some very morally questionable things.. Trump has had and still has his moral failings. He is crude, materialistic, and blunt. But nobody is perfect and he wouldn't be the first secular or religious leader in history to have those failings. I am the first to believe the stories from Stormy Daniels and others, but what is there since Stormy Daniels? In spite of a 17-month investigation, testimony from some 500 witnesses, the issuance of 2,800 subpoenas, the execution of nearly 500 search warrants, early morning raids, the examination of more than 1.4 million pages of documents, and the full cooperation of the President, no other accusers of sexual misconduct have come forward or have been found with accusations from within the past 10 years.

Trump stated that during the campaign season that he had repented. Do you disbelieve someone when they say they have repented? I think only god can truly recognize a repentant heart. We also know that anything that could in any way be used to discredit the president that was found by the Mueller investigation found was leaked illegally in order to undermine the president.. If they had found anything legitimate regarding sexual misconduct or financial crimes on the president it would have been leaked.

Nunes to send eight criminal referrals to DOJ concerning leaks, conspiracy amid Russia probe

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nunes- ... ssia-probe

'Ethical' James Comey is under investigation for leaking
https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/3 ... hical-acts

I don't know a single other person beyond maybe members of our own first presidency who would withstand that level of scrutiny and come out with at minimum a process crime. People commit three felonies a day without even knowing it.

Three Felonies A Day: How the Feds Target the Innocent
https://www.amazon.com/Three-Felonies-D ... 1594035229

In order to become president, Donald Trump had to run in the primary against 18 challengers. His predecessor was illegally spying on him during the time.

During the campaign he had to run against he combined resources of over a billion dollar campaign, the Democrats, Half of his own party, The administrative state, Silicon Valley, The media, and Hollywood.

Since that time he has faced the scrutiny of four criminal investigations into what we now know were fraudulent accusations of Russian collusion. There was an FBI investigation started by his predecessor during his final days in office. A house intel investigation, a senate investigation, and the Mueller investigation. He has faced unprecedented opposition from courts. He has faced unprecedented opposition form the house and senate including opposition from members of his own party. His family has faced unprecedented hate.

I honestly don't know how anyone could withstand that much opposition without support from Lord, and the fact that he is facing that much opposition speaks volumes too.

[righteousrepublic]

markharr mentioned not forgiving others their trespasses:

Do you disbelieve someone when they say they have repented?

Here are some associated passages:

D&C 64:9
9 Wherefore, I say unto you, that ye ought to forgive one another; for he that forgiveth not his brother his trespasses standeth condemned before the Lord; for there remaineth in him the greater sin.

Mosiah 26:31
31 And ye shall also forgive one another your trespasses; for verily I say unto you, he that forgiveth not his neighbor’s trespasses when he says that he repents, the same hath brought himself under condemnation.

[eddie]

The first few years for Egypt during the 7 years of famine weren't too bad. It was the last few years that really took their toll. Things will radically get worse, exponentially.

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so again, I do not see how this applies to us right now.
there is NO reason to assume that the 7 years of prosperity started when Trump took office .
More like - the 7 years of tribulation started, especially from what we are seeing going on - like this Trump peace deal and all that is going on around the World .

Wait till the Dems take over again then we'll see who's crying the loudest. I believe we have had a reprieve with Trump from what could be a downfall of America. As long as we have Republicans in office we might have a chance to survive, but when Americans choose evil as a norm, God will step in and sweep this land clean of wickedness, and it won't be pretty. Some here believe that it will be called the cleansing of America.

Who knows with Trump in office we might have a few years of prosperity left, otherwise, we could slip into the times of despair. We'll' see where the chips fall, either way, right? We can argue, rant, dispute, blame and speculate but what is actually going to happen may not be far off and we can't do a thing about it. Only God knows.

I do know this much, however, all these protest groups going about causing chaos and burning our flag and whatever else their evil causes are...they're not going to like hell one bit.

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I guess you, and all those who are for Trump just might like this video,
even eddie, who btw, has been so against me and made fun of my other post that I posted with a video by the same guy. -Call the Whaaambulance!
"you sure you're going to heaven"

President Trump & State of Israel... Our Enemies???
The Sword of YHVH

the video stops shaking around 5 min btw

[I AM]

if the 7 years of prosperity started when Trump took office - I'm not buying it.
There's no way we have 5 more years.

The start of the seven years of prosperity was signalled with the solar eclipse of Sep 2017. We have roughly five more years. The seven years of tribulation will start with the solar eclipse of April 2024.

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I believe that's when the 7 years of tribulation will end with the solar eclipse of April 2024.
I tend to believe along these lines.
at this point on the video (7hr. 16min 45 sec.)
click link below

https://youtu.be/aH0SYG6OQXA?t=26204

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the August 21 2017 eclipse passed over where the New Jerusalem will be.

the April 8 2024 eclipse will pass over the Hill Cumorah
and
The "CROSSROADS OF TOTALITY" (right where the 2 solar eclipses will cross)

is The center of Nephite lands - The Heart of the Heartland
where Governor Lachoneus (3 Nephi 3:1 to 6:3 ) gathered his people together
into the center of their land - where you will find 40 forts - ancient hopewell fortifications built to defend themselves from the Gadianton robbers.
https://youtu.be/aH0SYG6OQXA?t=26422
Jesus Christ came "8 Years" after. - I don't think we have too much longer
if the "8 years" applies to us as well.

[justme]

if the 7 years of prosperity started when Trump took office - I'm not buying it.
There's no way we have 5 more years.

The start of the seven years of prosperity was signalled with the solar eclipse of Sep 2017. We have roughly five more years. The seven years of tribulation will start with the solar eclipse of April 2024.

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I believe that's when the 7 years of tribulation will end with the solar eclipse of April 2024.
I tend to believe along these lines.
at this point on the video (7hr. 16min 45 sec.)
click link below

https://youtu.be/aH0SYG6OQXA?t=26204

-------------

the August 21 2017 eclipse passed over where the New Jerusalem will be.

the April 8 2024 eclipse will pass over the Hill Cumorah
and
The "CROSSROADS OF TOTALITY" (right where the 2 solar eclipses will cross)

is The center of Nephite lands - The Heart of the Heartland
where Governor Lachoneus (3 Nephi 3:1 to 6:3 ) gathered his people together
into the center of their land - where you will find 40 forts - ancient hopewell fortifications built to defend themselves from the Gadianton robbers.
https://youtu.be/aH0SYG6OQXA?t=26422
Jesus Christ came "8 Years" after. - I don't think we have too much longer
if the "8 years" applies to us as well.

Yes, we may be within 400 years of the second coming, possibly longer though.

[I AM]

The start of the seven years of prosperity was signalled with the solar eclipse of Sep 2017. We have roughly five more years. The seven years of tribulation will start with the solar eclipse of April 2024.

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I believe that's when the 7 years of tribulation will end with the solar eclipse of April 2024.
I tend to believe along these lines.
at this point on the video (7hr. 16min 45 sec.)
click link below

https://youtu.be/aH0SYG6OQXA?t=26204

-------------

the August 21 2017 eclipse passed over where the New Jerusalem will be.

the April 8 2024 eclipse will pass over the Hill Cumorah
and
The "CROSSROADS OF TOTALITY" (right where the 2 solar eclipses will cross)

is The center of Nephite lands - The Heart of the Heartland
where Governor Lachoneus (3 Nephi 3:1 to 6:3 ) gathered his people together
into the center of their land - where you will find 40 forts - ancient hopewell fortifications built to defend themselves from the Gadianton robbers.
https://youtu.be/aH0SYG6OQXA?t=26422
Jesus Christ came "8 Years" after. - I don't think we have too much longer
if the "8 years" applies to us as well.

Yes, we may be within 400 years of the second coming, possibly longer though.

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sorry, but seems to me you don't study the scriptures very much,
much less can discern the signs of the times.
because if you did, you wouldn't be making such a statement.

but I guess that's "justyou"

[justme]

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I believe that's when the 7 years of tribulation will end with the solar eclipse of April 2024.
I tend to believe along these lines.
at this point on the video (7hr. 16min 45 sec.)
click link below

https://youtu.be/aH0SYG6OQXA?t=26204

-------------

the August 21 2017 eclipse passed over where the New Jerusalem will be.

the April 8 2024 eclipse will pass over the Hill Cumorah
and
The "CROSSROADS OF TOTALITY" (right where the 2 solar eclipses will cross)

is The center of Nephite lands - The Heart of the Heartland
where Governor Lachoneus (3 Nephi 3:1 to 6:3 ) gathered his people together
into the center of their land - where you will find 40 forts - ancient hopewell fortifications built to defend themselves from the Gadianton robbers.
https://youtu.be/aH0SYG6OQXA?t=26422
Jesus Christ came "8 Years" after. - I don't think we have too much longer
if the "8 years" applies to us as well.

Yes, we may be within 400 years of the second coming, possibly longer though.

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sorry, but seems to me you don't study the scriptures very much,
much less can discern the signs of the times.
because if you did, you wouldn't be making such a statement.

but I guess that's "justyou"

On the contrary. I am fascinated by the Book of Mormon. Almost from the beginning they were warned about the destruction that would occur when they were fully ripe. That took one thousand years more or less. God's time table is not our mortal time table.

I fully agree that we should prepare and live as if it was tomorrow. But then not be surprised when it is not. I think it was Wilford Woodruff that said he is living as if it will be tomorrow but was still planting cherry trees.

[I AM]

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the August 21 2017 eclipse passed over where the New Jerusalem will be.

the April 8 2024 eclipse will pass over the Hill Cumorah
and
The "CROSSROADS OF TOTALITY" (right where the 2 solar eclipses will cross)

is The center of Nephite lands - The Heart of the Heartland
where Governor Lachoneus (3 Nephi 3:1 to 6:3 ) gathered his people together
into the center of their land - where you will find 40 forts - ancient hopewell fortifications built to defend themselves from the Gadianton robbers.
https://youtu.be/aH0SYG6OQXA?t=26422
Jesus Christ came "8 Years" after. - I don't think we have too much longer
if the "8 years" applies to us as well.

Yes, we may be within 400 years of the second coming, possibly longer though.

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sorry, but seems to me you don't study the scriptures very much,
much less can discern the signs of the times.
because if you did, you wouldn't be making such a statement.

but I guess that's "justyou"

On the contrary. I am fascinated by the Book of Mormon. Almost from the beginning they were warned about the destruction that would occur when they were fully ripe. That took one thousand years more or less. God's time table is not our mortal time table.

I fully agree that we should prepare and live as if it was tomorrow. But then not be surprised when it is not. I think it was Wilford Woodruff that said he is living as if it will be tomorrow but was still planting cherry trees.

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you might want to consider this time-table

from my post
400 years 2020

The Pilgrims landed at Plymouth Rock in 1620.
That was the birth of America.
In the Book of Mormon it took 400 years since the sign was given of the coming of Christ, for the people to go to total destruction. 1620 + 400 = 2020.
also 400 years in the Old Testament that the children of Israel were in bondage in Egypt.

Helaman 13

5 And he said unto them: Behold, I, Samuel, a Lamanite, do speak the words of the Lord which he doth put into my heart; and behold he hath put it into my heart to say unto this people that the sword of justice hangeth over this people; and four hundred years pass not away save the sword of justice falleth upon this people.

6 Yea, heavy destruction awaiteth this people, and it surely cometh unto this people, and nothing can save this people save it be repentance and faith on the Lord Jesus Christ, who surely shall come into the world, and shall suffer many things and shall be slain for his people.

7 And behold, an angel of the Lord hath declared it unto me, and he did bring glad tidings to my soul. And behold, I was sent unto you to declare it unto you also, that ye might have glad tidings; but behold ye would not receive me.

8 Therefore, thus saith the Lord: Because of the hardness of the hearts of the people of the Nephites, except they repent I will take away my word from them, and I will withdraw my Spirit from them, and I will suffer them no longer, and I will turn the hearts of their brethren against them.

9 And four hundred years shall not pass away before I will cause that they shall be smitten; yea, I will visit them with the sword and with famine and with pestilence.

10 Yea, I will visit them in my fierce anger, and there shall be those of the fourth generation who shall live, of your enemies, to behold your utter destruction; and this shall surely come except ye repent, saith the Lord; and those of the fourth generation shall visit your destruction.

3 Nephi 27
32 But behold, it sorroweth me because of the fourth generation from this generation, for they are led away captive by him even as was the son of perdition; for they will sell me for silver and for gold, and for that which moth doth corrupt and which thieves can break through and steal.
And in that day will I visit them, even in turning their works upon their own heads.


the Book of Mormon ENDS with this chapter
Moroni 10

1 Now I, Moroni, write somewhat as seemeth me good; and I write unto my brethren, the Lamanites; and I would that they should know that more than four hundred and twenty years have passed away since the sign was given of the coming of Christ.

I guess some here think we are talking about the coming of Christ.
We are not.
We are talking about when the sword of justice falls on the Gentiles.
The U.S. (including the church and it's members). ***
"And upon my house shall it begin"
D&C 112:24-26
24 Behold, vengeance cometh speedily upon the inhabitants of the earth, a day of wrath, a day of burning, a day of desolation, of weeping, of mourning, and of lamentation; and as a whirlwind it shall come upon all the face of the earth, saith the Lord.
25 And upon my house shall it begin, and from my house shall it go forth, saith the Lord;
26 First among those among you, saith the Lord, who have professed to know my name and have not known me, and have blasphemed against me in the midst of my house, saith the Lord.

Ending the times of the Gentiles.
This 400 hundred years that ends in the year 2020 will be exactly
in the middle of the 3 1/2 and 3 1/2 = 7 year tribulation period.

[justme]

Cool story. I don't know if you are old enough to recall the excitement about 20 years ago over the bible codes. Some mathematicians discovered many deep things hidden in the bible using very deep numerical analysis. All sorts of very specific prophecies from the Hebrew bible that came true. Other mathematicians then showed them how using the same methods they were able to find the name of the asassin of Winston Churchill in the bible. Interesting how that works.

[righteousrepublic]

Since this thread has gone from Trump to Churchill, I thought I may as well add this also.

https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=w ... %2C3979599

Gary Moore had Mr. Seymour on his program in Feb 1956; Mr Seymour died two months later in April; here is that episode:

[ori]