dezNatDefender wrote: ↑May 9th, 2019, 11:11 am
Cc07 wrote: ↑May 9th, 2019, 11:04 am
dezNatDefender wrote: ↑May 9th, 2019, 10:37 am
Cc07 wrote: ↑May 9th, 2019, 10:22 am
So if parents get divorced the man is denied the role of father because the wife bore the child?! Doesn’t make much sense does it. And yes it is a shared power. That quote from 100 years ago from Elder Talmage even says it is if you don’t want me to quote current apostles.
I don't understand what divorce has to do with it.
Okay so Elder Talmage said it . . .it doesn't make it true. Is what he said backed up by scripture? I'd love to see the scriptural justification for what he said.
I already showed you scripture in D&C 84 that explains how men hold the authority of the priesthood but that every soul who is baptized receives Gods power which is priesthood power through the gifts the scripture stated.
No you didn't DC 84 mentions "power" 8 times and does not mention "priesthood power" once. Not one single time.
I'll spell it out for you:
Therefore, in the ordinances thereof, the power of godliness is manifest.
And without the ordinances thereof, and the authority of the priesthood, the power of godliness is not manifest unto men in the flesh;
Power is mentioned in conjunction with
ordinances. That is how Priesthood power is manifest, in the actual ordinance, not in the promise of the ordinance, but the actual act of the ordinance itself. What the ordinance promises or blesses, is that a blessing.
Being baptized and receiving the Holy Ghost isn't receiving priesthood power, it's
through priesthood power that one is baptized and receives the Holy Ghost. Having the Gift of the Holy Ghost isn't Priesthood Power.
I've been a member for decades and only in the last 2-3 years has this new philosophy ever been mentioned. You are preaching a new gospel, one that isn't supported by scripture.
It is the light of Christ; it is the life that is in all things; it is the law by which all things are governed; it is truth shining forth in darkness; it is the power of God who sitteth upon his throne. It may be that it is also priesthood and faith and omnipotence, for these too are the power of God. (A New Witness for the Articles of Faith, pp. 257-258
So no, it's not really a new teaching from the past 2 years. Add that to the fact that the Book of Mormon hardly discusses ordinances or priesthood and priesthood keys.
There's another place where McConkie says something like this.
He essentially suggests that it may be that:
Priesthood Power = Power of Faith = Power of Spirit = Power of God
Add that to the following scriptures that show how these prophets came to be after the Holy Order of the Son of God(Which the LDS Church equates to the "Priesthood Order".
JST Genesis 14:
26 Now Melchizedek was a man of faith, who wrought righteousness; and when a child he feared God, and stopped the mouths of lions, and quenched the violence of fire.
27 And thus, having been approved of God, he was ordained an high priest after the order of the covenant which God made with Enoch,
28 It being after the order of the Son of God; which order came, not by man, nor the will of man; neither by father nor mother; neither by beginning of days nor end of years; but of God;
Alma 13
10 Now, as I said concerning the holy order, or this high priesthood, there were many who were ordained and became high priests of God; and it was on account of their exceeding faith and repentance, and their righteousness before God, they choosing to repent and work righteousness rather than to perish;
11 Therefore they were called after this holy order, and were sanctified, and their garments were washed white through the blood of the Lamb.
12 Now they, after being sanctified by the Holy Ghost, having their garments made white, being pure and spotless before God, could not look upon sin save it were with abhorrence; and there were many, exceedingly great many, who were made pure and entered into the rest of the Lord their God.
Moses 6:6
65 And thus he was baptized, and the Spirit of God descended upon him, and thus he was born of the Spirit, and became quickened in the inner man.
66 And he heard a voice out of heaven, saying: Thou art baptized with afire, and with the Holy Ghost. This is the record of the Father, and the Son, from henceforth and forever;
67 And thou art after the order of him who was without beginning of days or end of years, from all eternity to all eternity.
68 Behold, thou art one in me, a son of God; and thus may all become my sons. Amen.
Adam became a part of this priesthood order when he received the Baptism of Fire and Holy Ghost. Not before, not long after some physical ordinance at the hand of an angel or something, but immediately upon this reception.
Alma 13 says they were called after the order when they were sanctified. What brings this sanctification? The reception of the Baptism of Fire and Holy Ghost.
I obviously don't have all the answers, but we can piece together enough information to punch holes in the theories and beliefs of everyone in this thread (Including myself)