LDS Freedom Forum

kirtland r.m. wrote: ↑May 3rd, 2019, 7:35 pm "The dangers I speak of come from the gay-lesbian movement, the feminist movement (both of which are relatively new), and the ever-present challenge from the so-called scholars or intellectuals". Talk given to the All-Church Coordinating Council Elder Boyd K. Packer
May 18, 1993http://lds-mormon.com/face.shtml
Like never before in modern times, the doctrines of men and women are not just creeping into the Church and the rest of Christianity, they are speedily advancing! Buckle seat belts, a sifting, a sifting to quote Heber C. Kimball is not coming, it is now here in a big way.

endlessismyname wrote: ↑May 3rd, 2019, 2:36 pm

I AM wrote: ↑May 3rd, 2019, 2:17 pm

Chip wrote: ↑May 3rd, 2019, 12:39 pm Sheri and Wendy also own(ed) a vacation home together. Strange brew.

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so I wonder if there IS some truth in this after all ? ? ?

I've had more than one female member of the church tell me
that intuitively they've felt Sheri Dew was lesbian.

Mormon Disclosures
Same Tract Attractions
Monday, September 23, 2013
http://mormondisclosures.blogspot.com/2 ... tions.html

How do you go from “They own a piece of property together” to “They’re lesbian lovers”?

And as to a woman’s intuition? Let’s just say I don’t think the phenomenon would stand a chance if you performed a well designed study on it.

I AM wrote: ↑May 4th, 2019, 9:06 am Does anyone think that this ongoing problem of same-sex marriages
and the LGBT issues in the church is what is dividing the church more than anything, and is the biggest problem in the church, and will divide the church ?

Thinker wrote: ↑May 3rd, 2019, 9:42 pm I’d only seen the magazine at dentist or doctors offices. I never thought much of it until about a couple years ago, I saw an article in the lds church magazine about several couples - one of them of 2 women - 1 who had transexual surgery and hormones. The magazine writer treated this dysfunctional couple the same as several man/woman couples. I thought, “Maybe this magazine just uses the church’s name” but I looked it up and saw the church affiliation.

Sometimes I wonder if the old men at the top are in their own little worlds and others pulling strings like this are happy to keep them oblivious. In that case - who’s actually running this church and all it’s empire? Or, maybe they know and are ok with it - and have some degree of mental illness when they act contrary to their stated values.

endlessismyname wrote: ↑May 3rd, 2019, 2:36 pm

I AM wrote: ↑May 3rd, 2019, 2:17 pm

Chip wrote: ↑May 3rd, 2019, 12:39 pm Sheri and Wendy also own(ed) a vacation home together. Strange brew.

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so I wonder if there IS some truth in this after all ? ? ?

I've had more than one female member of the church tell me
that intuitively they've felt Sheri Dew was lesbian.

Mormon Disclosures
Same Tract Attractions
Monday, September 23, 2013
http://mormondisclosures.blogspot.com/2 ... tions.html

How do you go from “They own a piece of property together” to “They’re lesbian lovers”?

And as to a woman’s intuition? Let’s just say I don’t think the phenomenon would stand a chance if you performed a well designed study on it.

I AM wrote: ↑May 3rd, 2019, 2:17 pm

Chip wrote: ↑May 3rd, 2019, 12:39 pm Sheri and Wendy also own(ed) a vacation home together. Strange brew.

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so I wonder if there IS some truth in this after all ? ? ?

I've had more than one female member of the church tell me
that intuitively they've felt Sheri Dew was lesbian.

Mormon Disclosures
Same Tract Attractions
Monday, September 23, 2013
http://mormondisclosures.blogspot.com/2 ... tions.html

"Wendy L. Watson and Sheri L. Dew have been “best friends” for well over a decade. In fact, in October, 2000, they bought a vacation home together in Heber Valley (where Monson and many of the Apostles have second or third homes). They were granted a warranty deed as “Wendy L. Watson, an unmarried person and Sheri L. Dew, an unmarried person, joint tenants tenants” and later, in 2002, refinanced it together for $245,800, paying it off in 2007 and rearranging the ownership until at present they are both still listed together. "

ori wrote: ↑May 4th, 2019, 2:45 pm

endlessismyname wrote: ↑May 3rd, 2019, 2:36 pm

I AM wrote: ↑May 3rd, 2019, 2:17 pm

Chip wrote: ↑May 3rd, 2019, 12:39 pm Sheri and Wendy also own(ed) a vacation home together. Strange brew.

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so I wonder if there IS some truth in this after all ? ? ?

I've had more than one female member of the church tell me
that intuitively they've felt Sheri Dew was lesbian.

Mormon Disclosures
Same Tract Attractions
Monday, September 23, 2013
http://mormondisclosures.blogspot.com/2 ... tions.html

How do you go from “They own a piece of property together” to “They’re lesbian lovers”?

And as to a woman’s intuition? Let’s just say I don’t think the phenomenon would stand a chance if you performed a well designed study on it.

A well designed study wouldn’t find any truth to the Holy Ghost either. Doesn’t mean it’s not true.

Edit: what I mean to say is that some things are true, and can be known to be true, even if scientists can’t discover it. I know the Holy Ghost real, yet I don’t believe it can be subjected to scientific study.

Also, I don’t pay any attention to the gossip/rumors about Sheri Dew and Wendy Watson Nelson. I refuse to believe wild rumors like that.

harakim wrote: ↑May 4th, 2019, 2:20 pm

Thinker wrote: ↑May 3rd, 2019, 9:42 pm I’d only seen the magazine at dentist or doctors offices. I never thought much of it until about a couple years ago, I saw an article in the lds church magazine about several couples - one of them of 2 women - 1 who had transexual surgery and hormones. The magazine writer treated this dysfunctional couple the same as several man/woman couples. I thought, “Maybe this magazine just uses the church’s name” but I looked it up and saw the church affiliation.

Sometimes I wonder if the old men at the top are in their own little worlds and others pulling strings like this are happy to keep them oblivious. In that case - who’s actually running this church and all it’s empire? Or, maybe they know and are ok with it - and have some degree of mental illness when they act contrary to their stated values.

I wonder this a lot. I am pretty confident that the GAs and mission presidents suffer quite a bit from corruption (because I've known some.) I wonder if they at the top are like "you will need personal revelation" because otherwise we would follow our GAs and stake presidents and so forth. And I wonder if the one mighty and strong will have to come for this purpose. Maybe the top of the church isn't bad and maybe they are kind of warning us about the state of the church and that's what all these big changes are going to mean.

Or maybe it's just them at the top directing things and it's either supposed to be this way or not. But one thing that I always keep in mind is that the church is the worst company to work for.

DRC53 wrote: ↑May 4th, 2019, 3:41 pm

I AM wrote: ↑May 3rd, 2019, 2:17 pm

Chip wrote: ↑May 3rd, 2019, 12:39 pm Sheri and Wendy also own(ed) a vacation home together. Strange brew.

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so I wonder if there IS some truth in this after all ? ? ?

I've had more than one female member of the church tell me
that intuitively they've felt Sheri Dew was lesbian.

Mormon Disclosures
Same Tract Attractions
Monday, September 23, 2013
http://mormondisclosures.blogspot.com/2 ... tions.html

"Wendy L. Watson and Sheri L. Dew have been “best friends” for well over a decade. In fact, in October, 2000, they bought a vacation home together in Heber Valley (where Monson and many of the Apostles have second or third homes). They were granted a warranty deed as “Wendy L. Watson, an unmarried person and Sheri L. Dew, an unmarried person, joint tenants tenants” and later, in 2002, refinanced it together for $245,800, paying it off in 2007 and rearranging the ownership until at present they are both still listed together. "

This is just plain dumb and stupid! Slander gets us nowhere! But, what else can I expect from you with all of your hate against the Brethren.

Jude1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑May 5th, 2019, 5:50 am Our scriptures are full of talk of enemies, and battles, and metaphors about taking up the fight. We must remember that it is actually spiritual warfare that we are engaged in. We are fighting against “… principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.” Ephesians 6:12. This means that no matter how dark this world gets, no matter how bound to sin and unrighteousness the spirit of the world is, we are called to fight hard in the opposite direction. We are fighting for purity, for righteousness, for the will of God in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation. (Romans 12:2; Philippians 2:15)

It is a life of action that each and every Latter-day Saint, as well as every Christian, is meant to live. We should be on the front line in the battle against Satan and the hosts of wickedness, who wish to have full control over the world. We are to be the obstacle that stops them from accomplishing their goal: the final hold outs who are unbeatable. The zealous loyalists who stop evil from taking over completely. We are to be the light and salt in this world. (Matthew 5:13-16)

How can we hope to "gather Israel" if we refuse to contend against Satan and his evils? If we believe that the fight against allowing homosexuality in our church and our temples is just rearranging the deck chairs, we have already lost the battle against the perversion and sin that is homosexuality and gay marriage.

Michelle wrote: ↑May 4th, 2019, 11:46 pm For those who are worried about the direction the Church is taking with homosexuality, let me just share my personal testimony: it is arranging deck chairs on the Titanic to worry about that now. There is so little time left, that issue will work itself out, or not, in a very short time.

Also, this is a battle hand picked by Satan to distract us from what we are really suppose to be doing. President Nelson wasn't kidding when he said that the most important thing right now is gathering Israel. If we fight, we will be under Satan's power, if we gather Israel we will be under God's.

Do not be distracted by this or anything else that ignites contention at this point. That is what Satan wants.

Gather Israel, build Zion, welcome the Lord. This is all that is left before He comes again.

If there is a deception that the righteous may fall for at this point, it is engaging in contention. The elect will not be deceived by the distractions of the Adversary.

Focus on the Savior, not the waves, if you want to survive the storm.

Remember the example of Michael:

Jude1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

Do not put yourself under Satan's power by letting the spirit of contention enter your heart.

The Book of Mormon is a warning for our day to be sure, but we are not living in Captain Moroni's times in that we are not called to fight, but to build.

The prophet is not leading us astray when he tells us to focus on gathering Israel.

Do not be deceived.

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑May 5th, 2019, 3:51 pm Instead of the pablum we get from LDSLiving and the Ensign, I wish we had speakers and writers like this woman, speaking in our conferences and writing for our magazines and websites. Sure, we might see some members leaving the Church, but we would earn the respect of, and perhaps convert, true Christian men and women.

https://activistmommy.com

I AM wrote: ↑May 5th, 2019, 9:40 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑May 4th, 2019, 11:46 pm For those who are worried about the direction the Church is taking with homosexuality, let me just share my personal testimony: it is arranging deck chairs on the Titanic to worry about that now. There is so little time left, that issue will work itself out, or not, in a very short time.

Also, this is a battle hand picked by Satan to distract us from what we are really suppose to be doing. President Nelson wasn't kidding when he said that the most important thing right now is gathering Israel. If we fight, we will be under Satan's power, if we gather Israel we will be under God's.

Do not be distracted by this or anything else that ignites contention at this point. That is what Satan wants.

Gather Israel, build Zion, welcome the Lord. This is all that is left before He comes again.

If there is a deception that the righteous may fall for at this point, it is engaging in contention. The elect will not be deceived by the distractions of the Adversary.

Focus on the Savior, not the waves, if you want to survive the storm.

Remember the example of Michael:

Jude1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

Do not put yourself under Satan's power by letting the spirit of contention enter your heart.

The Book of Mormon is a warning for our day to be sure, but we are not living in Captain Moroni's times in that we are not called to fight, but to build.

The prophet is not leading us astray when he tells us to focus on gathering Israel.

Do not be deceived.

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YES ! you're right "Do not be deceived" !
"The Book of Mormon IS a warning for our day " FOR US !

sorry but I'm not buying it at all.
you said"
"The elect will not be deceived by the distractions of the Adversary."
they already have - by giving into the LGBT movement, and not standing up for what is right and saying what they're doing is wrong and fighting against it.

if this "spirit of contention " as you call it, is waking up and fight for what's right, and standing with God for righteous principals - then I'm all for it.

"He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it.
He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it."
Martin Luther King, Jr.
(which is exactly what the church is doing )

Fiannan wrote: ↑May 5th, 2019, 10:27 pm

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑May 5th, 2019, 3:51 pm Instead of the pablum we get from LDSLiving and the Ensign, I wish we had speakers and writers like this woman, speaking in our conferences and writing for our magazines and websites. Sure, we might see some members leaving the Church, but we would earn the respect of, and perhaps convert, true Christian men and women.
https://activistmommy.com

If we had we would be accused of being racists, sexists, homophobes and haters.

Michelle wrote: ↑May 4th, 2019, 11:46 pm For those who are worried about the direction the Church is taking with homosexuality, let me just share my personal testimony: it is arranging deck chairs on the Titanic to worry about that now. There is so little time left, that issue will work itself out, or not, in a very short time.

Also, this is a battle hand picked by Satan to distract us from what we are really suppose to be doing. President Nelson wasn't kidding when he said that the most important thing right now is gathering Israel. If we fight, we will be under Satan's power, if we gather Israel we will be under God's.

Do not be distracted by this or anything else that ignites contention at this point. That is what Satan wants.

Gather Israel, build Zion, welcome the Lord. This is all that is left before He comes again.

If there is a deception that the righteous may fall for at this point, it is engaging in contention. The elect will not be deceived by the distractions of the Adversary.

Focus on the Savior, not the waves, if you want to survive the storm.

Remember the example of Michael:

Jude1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

Do not put yourself under Satan's power by letting the spirit of contention enter your heart.

The Book of Mormon is a warning for our day to be sure, but we are not living in Captain Moroni's times in that we are not called to fight, but to build.

The prophet is not leading us astray when he tells us to focus on gathering Israel.

Do not be deceived.

iwontbackdown wrote: ↑May 6th, 2019, 7:35 am

Michelle wrote: ↑May 4th, 2019, 11:46 pm For those who are worried about the direction the Church is taking with homosexuality, let me just share my personal testimony: it is arranging deck chairs on the Titanic to worry about that now. There is so little time left, that issue will work itself out, or not, in a very short time.

Also, this is a battle hand picked by Satan to distract us from what we are really suppose to be doing. President Nelson wasn't kidding when he said that the most important thing right now is gathering Israel. If we fight, we will be under Satan's power, if we gather Israel we will be under God's.

Do not be distracted by this or anything else that ignites contention at this point. That is what Satan wants.

Gather Israel, build Zion, welcome the Lord. This is all that is left before He comes again.

If there is a deception that the righteous may fall for at this point, it is engaging in contention. The elect will not be deceived by the distractions of the Adversary.

Focus on the Savior, not the waves, if you want to survive the storm.

Remember the example of Michael:

Jude1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

Do not put yourself under Satan's power by letting the spirit of contention enter your heart.

The Book of Mormon is a warning for our day to be sure, but we are not living in Captain Moroni's times in that we are not called to fight, but to build.

The prophet is not leading us astray when he tells us to focus on gathering Israel.

Do not be deceived.

The Book of Mormon was written specifically for our day, as answer for the trials we will face in these times both within and without the church. We should follow, very closely, Captain Moroni and the rest of the prophets in that book.

We are certainly to contend against the church of the devil.
"Contend against no church, save it be the church of the devil." - D&C 18: 20

What is the church of the devil?
"Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth." 1 Nephi 14:10.

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑May 5th, 2019, 3:51 pm Instead of the pablum we get from LDSLiving and the Ensign, I wish we had speakers and writers like this woman, speaking in our conferences and writing for our magazines and websites. Sure, we might see some members leaving the Church, but we would earn the respect of, and perhaps convert, true Christian men and women.

https://activistmommy.com

Believing Joseph wrote: ↑May 6th, 2019, 5:59 am

Fiannan wrote: ↑May 5th, 2019, 10:27 pm

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑May 5th, 2019, 3:51 pm Instead of the pablum we get from LDSLiving and the Ensign, I wish we had speakers and writers like this woman, speaking in our conferences and writing for our magazines and websites. Sure, we might see some members leaving the Church, but we would earn the respect of, and perhaps convert, true Christian men and women.
https://activistmommy.com

If we had we would be accused of being racists, sexists, homophobes and haters.

Matt. 5:11 - Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

We Christians are not going to live our religion without getting bad things said about us. If we're accepted by the world, that means we aren't doing something right.

iwontbackdown wrote: ↑May 6th, 2019, 7:35 am

Michelle wrote: ↑May 4th, 2019, 11:46 pm For those who are worried about the direction the Church is taking with homosexuality, let me just share my personal testimony: it is arranging deck chairs on the Titanic to worry about that now. There is so little time left, that issue will work itself out, or not, in a very short time.

Also, this is a battle hand picked by Satan to distract us from what we are really suppose to be doing. President Nelson wasn't kidding when he said that the most important thing right now is gathering Israel. If we fight, we will be under Satan's power, if we gather Israel we will be under God's.

Do not be distracted by this or anything else that ignites contention at this point. That is what Satan wants.

Gather Israel, build Zion, welcome the Lord. This is all that is left before He comes again.

If there is a deception that the righteous may fall for at this point, it is engaging in contention. The elect will not be deceived by the distractions of the Adversary.

Focus on the Savior, not the waves, if you want to survive the storm.

Remember the example of Michael:

Jude1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

Do not put yourself under Satan's power by letting the spirit of contention enter your heart.

The Book of Mormon is a warning for our day to be sure, but we are not living in Captain Moroni's times in that we are not called to fight, but to build.

The prophet is not leading us astray when he tells us to focus on gathering Israel.

Do not be deceived.

The Book of Mormon was written specifically for our day, as answer for the trials we will face in these times both within and without the church. We should follow, very closely, Captain Moroni and the rest of the prophets in that book.

We are certainly to contend against the church of the devil.
"Contend against no church, save it be the church of the devil." - D&C 18: 20

What is the church of the devil?
"Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth." 1 Nephi 14:10.