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Cheetos wrote: ↑April 30th, 2019, 1:04 pm The church should be careful in that it doesn't create a culture that is inclusive and even encouraging of homosexual normality and behavior.

Cheetos wrote: ↑April 30th, 2019, 1:04 pm The church should be careful in that it doesn't create a culture that is inclusive and even encouraging of homosexual normality and behavior.

Chip wrote: ↑April 30th, 2019, 1:35 pmAll those people cheering and whistling. What have we become?

EmmaLee wrote: ↑April 30th, 2019, 1:41 pm

Chip wrote: ↑April 30th, 2019, 1:35 pmAll those people cheering and whistling. What have we become?

Indeed. And what will some of those people cheering and whistling become in 15 years or so? If the current trends continue toward younger and younger leadership, they will become our bishops, stake presidents, and General Authorities. Hope everyone's testimonies are in the right place and of the right things.

Chip wrote: ↑April 30th, 2019, 1:35 pm

Cheetos wrote: ↑April 30th, 2019, 1:04 pm The church should be careful in that it doesn't create a culture that is inclusive and even encouraging of homosexual normality and behavior.

If you've got a lot of stuff in Babylon and you want to keep it, you play by the rules of Babylon. You don't rock the boat by taking a stand for anything controversial. That will get your stuff taken away. And people won't like you. Being a part of Babylon requires sacrifice. Sacrifice of moral leadership, to start. You need to go along with whatever is trending.

Big mess of pottage brewing here. Our leaders have certainly set themselves up as the authorities in our minds, but they don't prophesy, they don't see, and their revelations are reflexive to Babylonian pressures. Sad, but true. I wish it wasn't so, but stuff like this guy "coming out" at a BYU graduation, after having his talk pre-approved shows that the rot is deep. I think it's quite certain that God doesn't approve of homosexuality. To pretend otherwise is just WRONG. All those people cheering and whistling. What have we become?

EmmaLee wrote: ↑May 2nd, 2019, 10:42 am Just saw this comment on a very pro-LDS forum.

FWIW -

"And then there is the single gal who attended the Provo City Center Temple a couple of weeks ago. She was in one of the last sessions of the day and it was pretty small. She sat next to two 'sisters' who were holding hands, being very affectionate with each other and kissing each other's cheek. She got very bad vibes and got up and moved. Then they became even more affectionate. She was quite appalled. And no one said a thing. She was feeling the temple was being defiled. But what should we expect? Everyone is welcome. Perhaps there needs to be a new question added to the temple interview. I am sure this would create a firestorm!"

I have no doubt we'll be seeing more of this kind of thing in the temples. We have done it to ourselves by succumbing to, applauding, and cheering, Babylon.

i'mnotspecial wrote: ↑May 2nd, 2019, 11:06 am

EmmaLee wrote: ↑May 2nd, 2019, 10:42 am Just saw this comment on a very pro-LDS forum.

FWIW -

"And then there is the single gal who attended the Provo City Center Temple a couple of weeks ago. She was in one of the last sessions of the day and it was pretty small. She sat next to two 'sisters' who were holding hands, being very affectionate with each other and kissing each other's cheek. She got very bad vibes and got up and moved. Then they became even more affectionate. She was quite appalled. And no one said a thing. She was feeling the temple was being defiled. But what should we expect? Everyone is welcome. Perhaps there needs to be a new question added to the temple interview. I am sure this would create a firestorm!"

I have no doubt we'll be seeing more of this kind of thing in the temples. We have done it to ourselves by succumbing to, applauding, and cheering, Babylon.

Interesting that you share this.

I had this distinct impression come upon me on April 29. I wrote it down so I'd remember it.

"It just dawned on me that we’re going to hear news of a temple sealer sealing the “marriage” of gay couples without authorization (and against Eternal nature)."

When that happens, talk about a winnowing. We may not know it's without authorization at first (except by the Holy Ghost). Lots of things on the horizon.

EmmaLee wrote: ↑May 2nd, 2019, 11:55 am A comment from another site below. It's good to know there were some people in the audience who weren't celebrating. It's also not surprising that this was a coordinated attack, as it were - that Easton's gay allies were in the audience ready and waiting to cheer him on to make it seem like everyone was happy and excited he was confessing his temptations to the world. Reminds me of the little 12 year old girl who "came out" as a lesbian in an LDS testimony meeting a year or two ago - she (or rather, her mother) made sure they had fan club members in the audience then, too, smh.

"I was in the Marriot Center during this graduation speech. I am paraphrasing as I remember it. One of the first things he said was he was graduating from BYU and was not married. He seemed to be proud he wasn't married. He a little bit later told us he was gay. He then went onto another subject and then came back to talk about being gay and how happy he was that he could come out at BYU and be gay and how four years ago he never thought he could come out as gay at BYU and talked more at length about it. There was a group in one whole section off to the side who started cheering and it seemed they had planned to be there to cheer him on as a group. There were some other cheers in the audience, but for the most part many of us there were stunned and quiet and couldn't believe what we were hearing. It was definitely the wrong place to come out and it was all about him and seemed very prideful. He did not talk about his education at BYU or what he learned in his classes or much to do with anything about graduating from BYU.

I will be writing to the BYU President and to the Dean in charge of his speech. It was extremely disappointing and inappropriate for a graduation speech and not the place to be coming out and it was all about him and not really anything about the education he got at BYU. I think the more people who write and tell BYU how they feel the better. I hope others will take the time to write to BYU and express how inappropriate his speech was for a graduation and definitely not the time and not the place to come out as gay."

i'mnotspecial wrote: ↑May 2nd, 2019, 12:06 pm Do you know the name of his dean?

I've heard people saying it was approved by the church. I've seen nothing to indicate that. The only thing I've seen is that it was approved by the dean. Just because the dean is an employee of BYU doesn't mean it was approved by the church. I'm curious if the dean approved it under false pretenses or if it was approved with the dean knowing exactly what would be said and why.

With a 4.0 average, he was selected as one of the valedictorians to speak at graduation. Easton eventually decided to include discussion of his sexuality, but first he needed approval from the dean’s office. Administrators gave him the thumbs up, saying, “Go for it,” the Post reports.

“The dean’s office saw and approved Matt’s speech before our college convocation,” Dean Ben Ogles of BYU’s College of Family, Home, and Social Sciences tells PEOPLE.

justme wrote: ↑May 2nd, 2019, 12:35 pm I've heard that a rough rule of thumb at the byus is that a dean is equivalent to a stake president in stature.

EmmaLee wrote: ↑May 7th, 2019, 5:09 pm Ellen gives $10,000 to BYU grad who came out during graduation speech

EmmaLee wrote: ↑May 7th, 2019, 5:09 pm And we can always count on the Church-owned Deseret News and fellow homosexuals to share in the joy.

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/900 ... peech.html

Ellen gives $10,000 to BYU grad who came out during graduation speech
By Tad Walch Published: May 6, 2019 11:04 am

National media attention overwhelms BYU valedictorian who came out during convocation speech
PROVO — Ellen DeGeneres gave $10,000 to BYU political science valedictorian Matt Easton during a taped interview that was scheduled to air on her show Monday.

The appearance was another example of the broad national media attention garnered by Easton after he spoke during the April 26 convocation ceremony for BYU's College of Family, Home, and Social Sciences in the Marriott Center and said, "I stand before my family, friends and graduating class today to say that I am proud to be a gay son of God."

BYU admits openly gay students but its honor code proscribes acting on same-sex attraction.

Easton, who is from Cottonwood Heights, Utah, told his family, some faculty and friends that he was gay while a student, but he spoke to Ellen about his decision to publicly share the information during his speech after he was selected from among his college's valedictorians to deliver a speech that was approved by the college dean.

Easton also spoke about navigating his sexuality and his faith as a member of BYU's sponsoring institution, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. He said he hoped speaking publicly will help other lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender students feel comfortable being open about their lives.

Ellen surprised Easton with the cash gift, which she said was to help him get settled as he works this summer and makes plans to apply for graduate school. The cash was provided by Shutterfly.

...he spoke to Ellen about his decision to publicly share the information during his speech after he was selected from among his college's valedictorians to deliver a speech that was approved by the college dean.

topcat wrote: ↑May 8th, 2019, 9:23 am Why does Pres Nelson and the Q of the 12 want to promote homosexuality and transgenderism?

How do the mainstream Mormons answer this question?

topcat wrote: ↑May 8th, 2019, 9:23 am

EmmaLee wrote: ↑May 7th, 2019, 5:09 pm And we can always count on the Church-owned Deseret News and fellow homosexuals to share in the joy.

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/900 ... peech.html

Ellen gives $10,000 to BYU grad who came out during graduation speech
By Tad Walch Published: May 6, 2019 11:04 am

National media attention overwhelms BYU valedictorian who came out during convocation speech
PROVO — Ellen DeGeneres gave $10,000 to BYU political science valedictorian Matt Easton during a taped interview that was scheduled to air on her show Monday.

The appearance was another example of the broad national media attention garnered by Easton after he spoke during the April 26 convocation ceremony for BYU's College of Family, Home, and Social Sciences in the Marriott Center and said, "I stand before my family, friends and graduating class today to say that I am proud to be a gay son of God."

BYU admits openly gay students but its honor code proscribes acting on same-sex attraction.

Easton, who is from Cottonwood Heights, Utah, told his family, some faculty and friends that he was gay while a student, but he spoke to Ellen about his decision to publicly share the information during his speech after he was selected from among his college's valedictorians to deliver a speech that was approved by the college dean.

Easton also spoke about navigating his sexuality and his faith as a member of BYU's sponsoring institution, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. He said he hoped speaking publicly will help other lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender students feel comfortable being open about their lives.

Ellen surprised Easton with the cash gift, which she said was to help him get settled as he works this summer and makes plans to apply for graduate school. The cash was provided by Shutterfly.

From the article,

...he spoke to Ellen about his decision to publicly share the information during his speech after he was selected from among his college's valedictorians to deliver a speech that was approved by the college dean.

Well there you have it! He was handpicked from a group of qualified valedictorians, AND, his speech was approved by the dean!

There can be ZERO DOUBT that the Q of the 12 Apostles approved as well. There is ZERO chance that there was one or more rogue BYU administrators who acted independently from the apostles. ZERO chance. This is the flagship academic institution of the Church. Presidents of Church schools become apostles!

This article, along with apparently OTHER glowing articles on this homosexual IN CHURCH OPERATED or HEAVILY INFLUENCED media, prove that his speaking was 100% orchestrated.

And the question is, WHY?

Why does Pres Nelson and the Q of the 12 want to promote homosexuality and transgenderism?

How do the mainstream Mormons answer this question?