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There has been no shortage of troubling messages that seem to be given full stage at BYU. Messages that are in line with the current world view and are given by those who justify their positions with scripture and with their own “personal revelation”.

In the past few years there’s been devotionals given that allow the secular world view not only to develop at BYU but to thrive. From talks on “toxic gender stereotypes” and “women must get a college education” to political talks from people who are on the front lines beating the drum for the adversary’s plan. This is more than troubling.

Like any other president of an organization President Worthen has an obligation and duty to protect and strengthen the institution that he leads and has been given stewardship over. Certainly not to let these adversarial messages be given full preview with support from the school. The secular beliefs of the world while noble will only bring about the destruction of man - mind, body and soul period. Let’s not let any more of these adversarial teaser trailers be shown at BYU to lure anymore away. Brethren it’s time for a change.

i'mnotspecial wrote: ↑April 29th, 2019, 10:07 am Here's the part that boils my blood:

"I have felt another triumph; that of coming to terms, not with who I thought I should be, but who the Lord has made me to be," the BYU graduate said. "As such, I stand before the Lord, my family, my graduating class today to say that I am proud to be a gay son of God."

Man this stuff makes me laugh, I can't tell you. "another triumph...coming to terms...who I thought I should be...today...I am proud to be a gay..."
Pretty decisive dude. I guess since he has now (temporarily?) decided that he was "made... to be...gay" if he gets to judgment and God says, "Oh, guess what, gay is not okay." He can say, "Well, it's your fault, you made me this way!"
Hilarious.

bjordan13 wrote: ↑April 29th, 2019, 4:31 pm There has been no shortage of troubling messages that seem to be given full stage at BYU. Messages that are in line with the current world view and are given by those who justify their positions with scripture and with their own “personal revelation”.

In the past few years there’s been devotionals given that allow the secular world view not only to develop at BYU but to thrive. From talks on “toxic gender stereotypes” and “women must get a college education” to political talks from people who are on the front lines beating the drum for the adversary’s plan. This is more than troubling.

Like any other president of an organization President Worthen has an obligation and duty to protect and strengthen the institution that he leads and has been given stewardship over. Certainly not to let these adversarial messages be given full preview with support from the school. The secular beliefs of the world while noble will only bring about the destruction of man - mind, body and soul period. Let’s not let any more of these adversarial teaser trailers be shown at BYU to lure anymore away. Brethren it’s time for a change.

So if a devotional address is counter to your personal belief it is wrong? Have you provided Worthen with your email so he can submit each address to you for personal approval before it is given?

Cheetos wrote: ↑April 29th, 2019, 4:24 pm

EmmaLee wrote: ↑April 29th, 2019, 3:25 pm

Cheetos wrote: ↑April 29th, 2019, 12:22 pm Im extremely troubled by this. How did this speech ever get approved? Im embarrased to say the least! And whats up with the audience approval on this point but yet quiet in other parts of his speech? Disturbing!!!

Why are you extremely troubled by this? Why are you embarrassed? Why are you surprised the audience cheered at his "coming out" announcement?

My having to answer is exactly my extreme trouble. Really? I'm troubled because the last time I checked homosexuality is an abomination and to basically get the nod of approval from the Dean and the audience is a slap in the face to the members of this church.

This is beyond sickening that I'm borderline angry. This should be a reason to get expelled from the school and excommunicated from the church for that disgusting public display at a supposedly church run institution, yet the graduates clapped. These are the rising generation of leaders for the church that are supposed to uphold the gospel of Jesus Christ?! These are the upcoming bishops and stake presidents that are supposed to be judges in Israel?!

I don't blame BYU. I blame the church leaders that have reversed course and are not standing up against this vile evil that has infected our church and church culture. How would the prophets of old react to this? Would Abinadi or Samuel the Lamanite lay down and roll over? What would Christ do? He would literally flip the table! Shall we make His church a church where we applaud sin and unrighteousness? It appears He will have to cleanse His church as He did the temple.

As President Thomas S. Monson has said, “We will all face fear, experience ridicule, and meet opposition. Let us—all of us—have the courage to defy the consensus, the courage to stand for principle. Courage, not compromise, brings the smile of God’s approval” (“Be Strong and of a Good Courage,” Ensign, May 2014, 69).

Sunain wrote: ↑April 29th, 2019, 5:03 pm

Cheetos wrote: ↑April 29th, 2019, 4:24 pm

EmmaLee wrote: ↑April 29th, 2019, 3:25 pm

Cheetos wrote: ↑April 29th, 2019, 12:22 pm Im extremely troubled by this. How did this speech ever get approved? Im embarrased to say the least! And whats up with the audience approval on this point but yet quiet in other parts of his speech? Disturbing!!!

Why are you extremely troubled by this? Why are you embarrassed? Why are you surprised the audience cheered at his "coming out" announcement?

My having to answer is exactly my extreme trouble. Really? I'm troubled because the last time I checked homosexuality is an abomination and to basically get the nod of approval from the Dean and the audience is a slap in the face to the members of this church.

This is beyond sickening that I'm borderline angry. This should be a reason to get expelled from the school and excommunicated from the church for that disgusting public display at a supposedly church run institution, yet the graduates clapped. These are the rising generation of leaders for the church that are supposed to uphold the gospel of Jesus Christ?! These are the upcoming bishops and stake presidents that are supposed to be judges in Israel?!

I don't blame BYU. I blame the church leaders that have reversed course and are not standing up against this vile evil that has infected our church and church culture. How would the prophets of old react to this? Would Abinadi or Samuel the Lamanite lay down and roll over? What would Christ do? He would literally flip the table! Shall we make His church a church where we applaud sin and unrighteousness? It appears He will have to cleanse His church as He did the temple.

As President Thomas S. Monson has said, “We will all face fear, experience ridicule, and meet opposition. Let us—all of us—have the courage to defy the consensus, the courage to stand for principle. Courage, not compromise, brings the smile of God’s approval” (“Be Strong and of a Good Courage,” Ensign, May 2014, 69).

Just as our leaders today still believe things that they originally came to believe in their 20's,
I can guarantee you that some of this generation that are currently in their 20's will eventually fill the leadership roles of the church and will believe AND TEACH AS DOCTRINE precisely what they believe right now.

Scary.

Stahura wrote: ↑April 29th, 2019, 5:14 pm

Sunain wrote: ↑April 29th, 2019, 5:03 pm

Cheetos wrote: ↑April 29th, 2019, 4:24 pm

EmmaLee wrote: ↑April 29th, 2019, 3:25 pm

Why are you extremely troubled by this? Why are you embarrassed? Why are you surprised the audience cheered at his "coming out" announcement?

My having to answer is exactly my extreme trouble. Really? I'm troubled because the last time I checked homosexuality is an abomination and to basically get the nod of approval from the Dean and the audience is a slap in the face to the members of this church.

This is beyond sickening that I'm borderline angry. This should be a reason to get expelled from the school and excommunicated from the church for that disgusting public display at a supposedly church run institution, yet the graduates clapped. These are the rising generation of leaders for the church that are supposed to uphold the gospel of Jesus Christ?! These are the upcoming bishops and stake presidents that are supposed to be judges in Israel?!

I don't blame BYU. I blame the church leaders that have reversed course and are not standing up against this vile evil that has infected our church and church culture. How would the prophets of old react to this? Would Abinadi or Samuel the Lamanite lay down and roll over? What would Christ do? He would literally flip the table! Shall we make His church a church where we applaud sin and unrighteousness? It appears He will have to cleanse His church as He did the temple.

As President Thomas S. Monson has said, “We will all face fear, experience ridicule, and meet opposition. Let us—all of us—have the courage to defy the consensus, the courage to stand for principle. Courage, not compromise, brings the smile of God’s approval” (“Be Strong and of a Good Courage,” Ensign, May 2014, 69).

Just as our leaders today still believe things that they originally came to believe in their 20's,
I can guarantee you that some of this generation that are currently in their 20's will eventually fill the leadership roles of the church and will believe AND TEACH AS DOCTRINE precisely what they believe right now.

Scary.

What is even more frightening are the temple-recommend-holding role models (professors, parents, Bishops, et al) who are cheerleaders for these youth, and who are publishing papers, speaking at firesides, blogging, and podcasting in support of gay sex and gay marriage, and praying for the day it's fully accepted in the Plan of Salvation, and the Plan of Happiness.

I'm about ready to write my first letter to 50 North Temple, Office of the President.

I would think the church leadership would have been given a heads-up about this, since it would obviously be controversial. At least, wouldn't President Worthen's approval have been required? There's no telling what kind of pressure he was getting from behind on this issue. Anyway, it was a grand opportunity for one student to state his political ambitions and for others in the audience to virtue-signal by whistling and applauding. Who would have figured this forty years ago?

The gay anthem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNBjMRvOB5M

WE ARE ALL GAY NOW

If I am naturally slothful, should I then be proud of my laziness and make it an unchangeable part of my identity?
If I am naturally angry, should I then be proud of my anger and make it an unchangeable part of my identity?
If I am naturally lustful, should I then be proud of my sexual thoughts and actions and make them an unchangeable part of my identity?
If I am naturally gluttonous, should I then be proud of my obesity and make it an unchangeable part of my identity?
If I am naturally a gossip, should I then be proud of all of the damaging stories about others I tell and make it an unchangeable part of my identity?

Tolerating and accepting homosexuality is nothing more than worshipping the natural man instead of God. The doctrine of Christ is to turn away from the natural man and be His. This new doctrine being preached is that you follow Christ by embracing your natural man. It is a vile doctrine that denies the very need for a Savior and replaces it with indulgence of vice.

Chip wrote: ↑April 29th, 2019, 5:25 pm I would think the church leadership would have been given a heads-up about this, since it would obviously be controversial. At least, wouldn't President Worthen's approval have been required? There's no telling what kind of pressure he was getting from behind on this issue. Anyway, it was a grand opportunity for one student to state his political ambitions and for others in the audience to virtue-signal by whistling and applauding. Who would have figured this forty years ago?

The gay anthem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNBjMRvOB5M

WE ARE ALL GAY NOW

I’m not familiar with the link between “Go West” and homosexuality. ...

So do I interpret your belief as being that we can be born that way but not created that way? That is an interesting compromise that I am willing to entertain.


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People are born with the following issues:
absent an arm or leg
joined with a twin
hole in the heart
etc.

Yet, I don't think we assume that their spirit bodies did, or that their resurrected bodies will, have same conditions.

I don't understand why people think same-sex attraction is something that will accompany the righteous to the Celestial Kingdom, when our bodies OBVIOUSLY were not designed for same-sex relationships, and when procreation is such a fundamental, Eternal aspect of our very being.

If there is some degree of salvation in the Celestial Kingdom that includes same-sex relationships, that would be a massive shock. Even if that were the case, which I don't believe, it wouldn't be the case that same-sex relationships are part of Exaltation.

So, of course we weren't created by God that way.

Every single one of us, perhaps especially me, has serious weakness from birth. Can you imagine a God that says, "Gay-sex people are exalted, fornicators and adulterers are damned?"

If gay sex is part of God's Exaltation, what isn't? There would be no sin, unless we're going to say that the ONLY sin is disobedience to whatever idea happens to be supported at a given point in time. That makes not the act the disobedience leads to sinful, but only the act of disobedience itself. If the only sin is disobedience, then literally EVERYTHING ever said by a prophet ever is fair game to be changed.

A problem with this line of thinking is that what about those who feel that it is part of their nature to be willful and disobedient. If God "created" gay people to be gay for Eternity, then did God not also create disobedient people to be disobedient through Eternity? So, are we now at predestination?

The more you try to make sense of it, the less sense it makes.

ori wrote: ↑April 29th, 2019, 5:52 pm

Chip wrote: ↑April 29th, 2019, 5:25 pm I would think the church leadership would have been given a heads-up about this, since it would obviously be controversial. At least, wouldn't President Worthen's approval have been required? There's no telling what kind of pressure he was getting from behind on this issue. Anyway, it was a grand opportunity for one student to state his political ambitions and for others in the audience to virtue-signal by whistling and applauding. Who would have figured this forty years ago?

The gay anthem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNBjMRvOB5M

WE ARE ALL GAY NOW

I’m not familiar with the link between “Go West” and homosexuality. ...

See if you can spot some indicators in the video. Look carefully.

Cheetos wrote: ↑April 29th, 2019, 4:24 pm

EmmaLee wrote: ↑April 29th, 2019, 3:25 pm

Cheetos wrote: ↑April 29th, 2019, 12:22 pm Im extremely troubled by this. How did this speech ever get approved? Im embarrased to say the least! And whats up with the audience approval on this point but yet quiet in other parts of his speech? Disturbing!!!

Why are you extremely troubled by this? Why are you embarrassed? Why are you surprised the audience cheered at his "coming out" announcement?

My having to answer is exactly my extreme trouble. Really? I'm troubled because the last time I checked homosexuality is an abomination and to basically get the nod of approval from the Dean and the audience is a slap in the face to the members of this church.

You, and all those who "thanked" you, missed the point of why I asked. I was trying to get you to realize that this student, and BYU, are merely following the Church's lead on this topic - so if you're "troubled", "embarrassed", and "disturbed", you should maybe work your way back to how/why such a thing could ever even happen at BYU in the first place. That's why I asked you those questions. Also, maybe you should check more often, because according to official Church statements, homosexuality isn't an abomination anymore - unless it's acted upon. It USED to be an abomination, according to the Church, but no more - just the behavior of same-sex sex is an abomination - there is a difference, again, according to the Church. So in summary - you may want to share your disgust with more than just this student and BYU, as they are just doing what they've seen the Church do.

Sunain wrote: ↑April 29th, 2019, 5:03 pm

Cheetos wrote: ↑April 29th, 2019, 4:24 pm

EmmaLee wrote: ↑April 29th, 2019, 3:25 pm

Cheetos wrote: ↑April 29th, 2019, 12:22 pm Im extremely troubled by this. How did this speech ever get approved? Im embarrased to say the least! And whats up with the audience approval on this point but yet quiet in other parts of his speech? Disturbing!!!

Why are you extremely troubled by this? Why are you embarrassed? Why are you surprised the audience cheered at his "coming out" announcement?

My having to answer is exactly my extreme trouble. Really? I'm troubled because the last time I checked homosexuality is an abomination and to basically get the nod of approval from the Dean and the audience is a slap in the face to the members of this church.

This is beyond sickening that I'm borderline angry. This should be a reason to get expelled from the school and excommunicated from the church for that disgusting public display at a supposedly church run institution, yet the graduates clapped. These are the rising generation of leaders for the church that are supposed to uphold the gospel of Jesus Christ?! These are the upcoming bishops and stake presidents that are supposed to be judges in Israel?!

I don't blame BYU. I blame the church leaders that have reversed course and are not standing up against this vile evil that has infected our church and church culture. How would the prophets of old react to this? Would Abinadi or Samuel the Lamanite lay down and roll over? What would Christ do? He would literally flip the table! Shall we make His church a church where we applaud sin and unrighteousness? It appears He will have to cleanse His church as He did the temple.

Thank goodness someone else gets it, too; I was beginning to think I was the only one. Thanks, Sunain.

Just as our leaders today still believe things that they originally came to believe in their 20's,
I can guarantee you that some of this generation that are currently in their 20's will eventually fill the leadership roles of the church and will believe AND TEACH AS DOCTRINE precisely what they believe right now.

Scary.

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I'm a millennial. Most millennials I know seem to be warm to the idea of gay sex and gay marriage being totally okay with God. I have known a few millennials who definitely do not share that idea.

That said, I agree with your logic there with local leadership, but I doubt it with general leadership (at least not as a common thing). I don't think He will. I don't know that many of my cohort will make it to senior church leadership before one of three things happen.
First, the winnowing. I believe most of these will be winnowed out of church activity because of things they don't agree with. I hope not, but it looks that way.
Second, if the tribulations really gain steam, most of us who believe that way will probably die before we're old enough for senior church leadership.
Third, the rest of us will have this apostasy chastised right away through the furnace of tribulation.
I could, of course, be wrong on all counts.

In response to EmmaLee and how the church is promoting this:

The proud gay man said that he used Elder Ballard's talk at a BYU devotional recently to show why he should "come out".

Nov 2017

“I want anyone who is a member of the Church who is gay or lesbian to know I believe you have a place in the kingdom and recognize that sometimes it may be difficult for you to see where you fit in the Lord’s Church, but you do.

“We need to listen to and understand what our LGBT brothers and sisters are feeling and experiencing. Certainly, we must do better than we have done in the past so that all members feel they have a spiritual home where their brothers and sisters love them and where they have a place to worship and serve the Lord.”

Give an inch, they are taking a mile.......

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑April 29th, 2019, 5:20 pm

Stahura wrote: ↑April 29th, 2019, 5:14 pm

Sunain wrote: ↑April 29th, 2019, 5:03 pm

Cheetos wrote: ↑April 29th, 2019, 4:24 pm

My having to answer is exactly my extreme trouble. Really? I'm troubled because the last time I checked homosexuality is an abomination and to basically get the nod of approval from the Dean and the audience is a slap in the face to the members of this church.

This is beyond sickening that I'm borderline angry. This should be a reason to get expelled from the school and excommunicated from the church for that disgusting public display at a supposedly church run institution, yet the graduates clapped. These are the rising generation of leaders for the church that are supposed to uphold the gospel of Jesus Christ?! These are the upcoming bishops and stake presidents that are supposed to be judges in Israel?!

I don't blame BYU. I blame the church leaders that have reversed course and are not standing up against this vile evil that has infected our church and church culture. How would the prophets of old react to this? Would Abinadi or Samuel the Lamanite lay down and roll over? What would Christ do? He would literally flip the table! Shall we make His church a church where we applaud sin and unrighteousness? It appears He will have to cleanse His church as He did the temple.

As President Thomas S. Monson has said, “We will all face fear, experience ridicule, and meet opposition. Let us—all of us—have the courage to defy the consensus, the courage to stand for principle. Courage, not compromise, brings the smile of God’s approval” (“Be Strong and of a Good Courage,” Ensign, May 2014, 69).

Just as our leaders today still believe things that they originally came to believe in their 20's,
I can guarantee you that some of this generation that are currently in their 20's will eventually fill the leadership roles of the church and will believe AND TEACH AS DOCTRINE precisely what they believe right now.

Scary.

What is even more frightening are the temple-recommend-holding role models (professors, parents, Bishops, et al) who are cheerleaders for these youth, and who are publishing papers, speaking at firesides, blogging, and podcasting in support of gay sex and gay marriage, and praying for the day it's fully accepted in the Plan of Salvation, and the Plan of Happiness.

I'm about ready to write my first letter to 50 North Temple, Office of the President.

I wouldn't bother, as they'll just forward it to your stake president, who will then call you in for a little 'chat' and a nice Section 121 slap on the wrist telling you not to bother the 'Brethren' with such things (or with anything, for that matter - unless it's a nice feel-good story they can use in one of their GenCon talks in October).

i'mnotspecial wrote: ↑April 29th, 2019, 5:52 pm . . . . . A problem with this line of thinking is that what about those who feel that it is part of their nature to be willful and disobedient. If God "created" gay people to be gay for Eternity, then did God not also create disobedient people to be disobedient through Eternity? So, are we now at predestination?

The more you try to make sense of it, the less sense it makes.

. . . . or created them to be roues (accent aigu over e), leches, pedofiles, etc., or prone to anger, murder, etc., etc.

My own thoughts (nursed along by my RN wife) on the incredibly ramped up 'gay' behavior prevalent nowadays is that it is mostly environmental, involving interupted hormonal endocrine balances and development (e.g., involving testosterone/estrogen balances) at various stages w/environmental agents such as plastics (e.g., BPAs: Bisphenol A), pesticides (e.g., atrazine) and various other chemical/mineral agents playing a big, big role.

Or, you know, Satan - whose time is running out, and he knows it.

EmmaLee wrote: ↑April 29th, 2019, 6:31 pm Or, you know, Satan - whose time is running out, and he knows it.

And who ramps up greed and callous behavior. A lot of the agents I mention help create greater profits, and their possible side-effects are ignored because of greed.

BBC has posted a videoclip with some statements from this proud gay guy, and it's the same statements I read in the Washington Post article. However.....BBC added some print comments in between his statements. One said, "until recently the Mormon church has had anti-LGBT policies." Another one said, in "April, the Mormon Church said it would reverse its anti-LGBT policies."

Yep, we said this would happen.

On his Twitter he talked about how he was on Honor Code Probation for a while.

I wonder what for... /S

The Deseret News article -- totally positive.

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/900 ... l?user=app

Lizzy60 wrote: ↑April 29th, 2019, 6:05 pm In response to EmmaLee and how the church is promoting this:

The proud gay man said that he used Elder Ballard's talk at a BYU devotional recently to show why he should "come out".

Nov 2017

“I want anyone who is a member of the Church who is gay or lesbian to know I believe you have a place in the kingdom and recognize that sometimes it may be difficult for you to see where you fit in the Lord’s Church, but you do.

“We need to listen to and understand what our LGBT brothers and sisters are feeling and experiencing. Certainly, we must do better than we have done in the past so that all members feel they have a spiritual home where their brothers and sisters love them and where they have a place to worship and serve the Lord.”

Give an inch, they are taking a mile.......

Sad but true.
Church leaders are succumbing to the evil ideology that out of all the sexual disorders, only the most popular, wordly-approved disorder, is going to get the church’s approval. Imagine if this man suffered from pedophile preference sexual disorder, and “came out” about it. But he wouldn’t because that sexual disorder isn’t as popular. It’s all about doing what’s popular.

Church leaders using the name of Christ ought to offer to members suffering from sexual disorders and to the general membership, the path out of disorders. Ideally, they would encourage soul-searching, knowing that research shows homosexuality is learned (ie: childhood sexual abuse &/or, for men - domineering & suffocating mothers with absent or passive fathers). This, and all sin, requires deep soul searching (psych-ology=study of the soul) but church leaders have preached against that in favor of only scripture. Scripture is good but I don’t expect a surgeon to use it as the sole source of truth. I have benefited spiritually by many good books - like about the subconscious, symbolism and meditation - that which helped me navigate my internal thoughts and feelings. Yet, each source - including scripture - is by fallible people so I must always internally discern. It seems the temptation is to look externally - to authorities on how to think, feel or judge. Christ taught that you may be tempted to look externally for that which can only be found internally...

• “And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.”-Luke 17:20-21

It’s as if religious leaders wanted the glory - for people to worship them in their specific “ship” rather than worship God. Christ chastised religious leaders for keeping people from entering the kingdom of God/Heaven.

• “But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.”- Matthew 23:13

Thoughts and feelings precede action, which is why Christ said sin is even lusting, not just acting on it. The need to overcome sexual disorders like homosexuality is not just for spiritual health, but also psychological and physical health. It is NOT “loving” to support harmful homosexual behavior, which, according to national health reports, has very high rates of STDs, AIDS, HIV, and mental illness.

I just saw this elsewhere online - thought it provided an excellent point, so sharing here -

"Too often we are seeing moments given to people at a certain event that are HIJACKED for ones personal agenda and desire. A graduation speech is for the students sitting in the audience, ready to take on the future- this was not an event for a particular person's coming out party. This would also not be appropriate at a funeral or a baptism or anyplace where you are invited to speak on a particular subject.

We see Hollywood do it with the Oscars (that's why no one watches anymore and the ratings have plummeted) as they take their moment to thank their industry as their moment to popularize their own political beliefs.

It's not "courageous", it's rude.

What if a student got up to give a graduation speech and aired family drama, or outed who they have slept with in the audience or disclosed that they have a fetish, or sexual abuse ( a student was actually cut off for going into too much detail) ? Would these things be appropriate? Of course not.

Because he's gay, everyone is applauding what he did, and the school approved it. Why? Was this moment supposed to be about what gender he decides to sleep with and what in the world did that have to do with his graduation from BYU?

Some things are personal. Reserved for personal conversations. Our sexuality should be a private matter. He said he thought everyone would be mean to him and said "we are here and not going anywhere"- does he not realize everyone in America knows we have an LGBT community? Has he been asked to leave somewhere? Has everyone been mean to him? These are all fallacies. Most people just don't care. Most people just want you to live your life and make your choices and think matters like who you choose to sleep with are a private affair- and they should be.

People are actually afraid to say this. Why? Because if we do, that automatically makes us "anti-lgbt" . An extreme accusation and not true.

We support a fake narrative and we need to stop catering to the inappropriate nature by which people hijack these moments for their own personal gain- no matter the reason. Being gay had nothing to do with those kids graduating or the ceremony in which he was asked to speak. Nothing. So why are we not calling this out?" Kate Hefley Dalley

The church should be careful in that it doesn't create a culture that is inclusive and even encouraging of homosexual normality and behavior.