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Posted: **April 23rd, 2019, 3:08 pm**

I believe that we are all children of God.

I believe that we are sent forth to every nation, tongue, and people to invite all to come unto Christ.

I look forward to the millenial day when we all live peacefully together under the King of Kings.

I believe that every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is the Christ.

I look forward to the building of Zion where we will all be of one heart and one mind.

I thought these were common LDS beliefs.

And if I were to choose a word to describe the common themes above I would say Globalist.

Yet on this forum Globalist seems to be a very bad thing. I don't get it.

Posted: **April 23rd, 2019, 3:15 pm**

Globalism is associated with authoritarian control of the entire world, by despotic regimes. If we give up our inspired constitution for something other than government directed by the King of Kings, we would be very unwise stewards indeed.

Posted: **April 23rd, 2019, 3:22 pm**

Do you want one religion? Under globalism it will be a combination of Catholocism and Islam.

Do you want LDS missionary work to continue? Globalism will make it illegal.

Do you want the world population to decrease by 80-90% in order to "preserve" the resources? Then get ready to die, because you are not valuable enough to live.

Do you want the freedom to believe in Christ and build Zion? Globalism will make that a crime.

Just because it sounds wonderful to have the whole world in some sort of Utopian agreement does not mean that globalism is the way to do it. The people pushing Globalism today have Satan as their God, and their Master.

Posted: **April 23rd, 2019, 3:55 pm**

Satan was the first 'globalist' . . . and still is: everybody will be saved and will be equal ("I, Satan, will do it and will accept the glory of it"); all outcomes will be equal (they will be forced); all wars will cease and armies done away with (except for 'ours'); everybody will be judged using 'social credit' scores (and heaven help those who fall below expectations: candidates for soylent green, etc.); and 'we' will save the planet (Gia) from the uncontrolled infestation of humans (see Ether 8:25: " . . . and it bringeth to pass the destruction of all people . . . "); finally, freedom will evaporate, except the freedom to obey and conform and participate in 'group think'.

Satan's globalism is the counterfeit of a 'globalism' based on brotherly love and charity. These two qualities don't thrive or even exist without free agency, without freedom.

Posted: **April 23rd, 2019, 4:03 pm**

justme wrote: ↑April 23rd, 2019, 3:08 pm I believe that we are all children of God.

I believe that we are sent forth to every nation, tongue, and people to invite all to come unto Christ.

I look forward to the millenial day when we all live peacefully together under the King of Kings.

I believe that every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is the Christ.

I look forward to the building of Zion where we will all be of one heart and one mind.

I thought these were common LDS beliefs.

And if I were to choose a word to describe the common themes above I would say Globalist.

Yet on this forum Globalist seems to be a very bad thing. I don't get it.

Globalism under the savior, or globalism under this. Take your pick.

Actually don't take your pick because you are going to get to experience both.

Posted: **April 23rd, 2019, 4:05 pm**

markharr wrote: ↑April 23rd, 2019, 4:03 pm
justme wrote: ↑April 23rd, 2019, 3:08 pm I believe that we are all children of God.

I believe that we are sent forth to every nation, tongue, and people to invite all to come unto Christ.

I look forward to the millenial day when we all live peacefully together under the King of Kings.

I believe that every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is the Christ.

I look forward to the building of Zion where we will all be of one heart and one mind.

I thought these were common LDS beliefs.

And if I were to choose a word to describe the common themes above I would say Globalist.

Yet on this forum Globalist seems to be a very bad thing. I don't get it.
Globalism under the savior, or globalism under this. Take your pick.

Actually don't take your pick because you are going to get to experience both.

Posted: **April 23rd, 2019, 4:07 pm**

justme wrote: ↑April 23rd, 2019, 3:08 pmYet on this forum Globalist seems to be a very bad thing. I don't get it.

No, you don't. Which is why you've come onto an LDS forum dedicated to FREEDOM and find that your opinion goes contrary to almost everyone else's here. The god of this world is Satan. All one has to do is look at the proponents of "globalism" in today's world and it's blatantly obvious that they are followers of Satan. A 5-minute (honest) search will tell a (sincere) person everything they need to know about globalism and how it is incompatible with freedom in our current world - so it can't be due to ignorance that any LDS person is pro-globalism.

The definition of globalism is - a national policy of treating the whole world as a proper sphere for political influence. It centers around world government, obviously; there is nothing "benevolent" about it - government is force. Satan currently rules the world and all of the governments in it, and he will continue to do so until Jesus Christ returns to set things in their proper order. Satan is the Great Deceiver, the Great Imitator - wise people do not fall for his deceptions or imitations, one of which is globalism. Even many non-LDS see this - it's a shame any LDS people succumb to his lies.

Posted: **April 23rd, 2019, 4:33 pm**

Christ isn't a neo-Marxist. Globalism is of Lucifer.

Posted: **April 23rd, 2019, 7:53 pm**

justme wrote: ↑April 23rd, 2019, 3:08 pm I believe that we are all children of God.

I believe that we are sent forth to every nation, tongue, and people to invite all to come unto Christ.

I look forward to the millenial day when we all live peacefully together under the King of Kings.

I believe that every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is the Christ.

I look forward to the building of Zion where we will all be of one heart and one mind.

I thought these were common LDS beliefs.

And if I were to choose a word to describe the common themes above I would say Globalist.

Yet on this forum Globalist seems to be a very bad thing. I don't get it.

I'm confused as to how anyone could be so blind or naive.

The globalists are not Mormons. Do you think the Hella Beast, who lost the last (fixed) election to Trump is a Mormon? She is not. Nor are any of the others, such as the Pope who is ... not a Catholic. Look at what he preaches and you will realize that ab initio.

Under globalism, your religion will be ... the government. Government will be your god. And it will be a jealous god, before which no other gods are needed or allowed. They won't be ... necessary as government will be all to you, the beginning, the life, and the end. At their whim.

Yes, globalism is atheist. And will immediately take your chapels and temples, because you won't need them. You will no longer need them and your new god, government will have other plans for them and for the money that you might put into them.

You need to listen to Ezra Taft Benson. He spoke so much truth which many a Mormon once knew and believed. Many have gotten away from that truth today, and in your case, I guess you just missed it altogether.

dc

Basically, globalism is world communism. An all powerful government that tolerates no individualism, dissent, disagreement, or liberty of any kind.

Posted: **April 23rd, 2019, 8:01 pm**

justme wrote: ↑April 23rd, 2019, 3:08 pm I believe that we are all children of God.

I believe that we are sent forth to every nation, tongue, and people to invite all to come unto Christ.

I look forward to the millenial day when we all live peacefully together under the King of Kings.

I believe that every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is the Christ.

I look forward to the building of Zion where we will all be of one heart and one mind.

I thought these were common LDS beliefs.

And if I were to choose a word to describe the common themes above I would say Globalist.

Yet on this forum Globalist seems to be a very bad thing. I don't get it.

Spoken just like a vermin of Satan.

Posted: **April 23rd, 2019, 8:16 pm**

Reading comprehension is not a strong point here I see.

I tried to be clear and concise and I am amazed that anyone professing to be LDS can take issue with what I said.

The problem is in your limited and specialized definition of globalist. I never said that I accepted your definition. In fact all these replies provide an excellent example of straw man fallacy.

On the other hand based on the gospel principals listed in the original post the word globalist should more appropriately be used as a good word, not hijacked like you all have.

Posted: **April 23rd, 2019, 8:34 pm**

You are more than welcome to use Globalism as a good word, but you will be misunderstood every single time. It's the same as saying Communism is just another good word that means the same thing as Zion.

We have NOT hijacked the word globalist. It's only use in at least the past 100 years is as a New World Order concept and goal that we have described for you in the above posts.

If it ever had a positive meaning, that's long gone.

Also, not a single one of us took issue or criticized the LDS beliefs you laid out. We just said, correctly, that you can't put them under the term Globalist, because that's NOT what Globalist means.

Posted: **April 23rd, 2019, 8:52 pm**

justme wrote: ↑April 23rd, 2019, 8:16 pm Reading comprehension is not a strong point here I see.

I tried to be clear and concise and I am amazed that anyone professing to be LDS can take issue with what I said.

The problem is in your limited and specialized definition of globalist. I never said that I accepted your definition. In fact all these replies provide an excellent example of straw man fallacy.

On the other hand based on the gospel principals listed in the original post the word globalist should more appropriately be used as a good word, not hijacked like you all have.

You used the word "invite" to come unto Christ.

Does the Government "invite" you to follow laws without the threat of violence?

(Added 4/25) This is what inviting looks like from the globalists

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ar ... er-n988301

Posted: **April 23rd, 2019, 9:15 pm**

justme wrote: ↑April 23rd, 2019, 3:08 pm I believe that we are all children of God.
And that we are...

I believe that we are sent forth to every nation, tongue, and people to invite all to come unto Christ.
And that true also, but, only a very few will actually fully come to Christ compared to the masses..

I look forward to the millenial day when we all live peacefully together under the King of Kings.
The "we all" you mention above will definitely not be "all" that are around today. The vast majority of this world's population dont even know Him. And all the rest that have heard of Him, only some few, I suppose, will be truly willing to be obedient to Him on all things,. Most just draw near with their lips.

I believe that every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is the Christ.
That is an eventuality, sometime way farther into the future. And just because they "bow the knee and confess" does not by no means, mean that all are valiant.

I look forward to the building of Zion where we will all be of one heart and one mind.
We all? Now yes, some will learn to become of one heart and one mind, but only a small remnant. (according to prophecy) For example, how many in church right now are even becoming of one heart and one mind. Probably couldn't even find 5 in the whole church membership.

I thought these were common LDS beliefs.

And if I were to choose a word to describe the common themes above I would say Globalist.
We are in the world but should not be of it. The true followers of Christ, thus far in world history have been "wanderers in a strange land".

Yet on this forum Globalist seems to be a very bad thing. I don't get it.
Oh it is a bad thing today, and well it should be to any true follower of Christ.

Posted: **April 23rd, 2019, 9:31 pm**

justme wrote: ↑April 23rd, 2019, 8:16 pm Reading comprehension is not a strong point here I see.

I tried to be clear and concise and I am amazed that anyone professing to be LDS can take issue with what I said.

The problem is in your limited and specialized definition of globalist. I never said that I accepted your definition. In fact all these replies provide an excellent example of straw man fallacy.

On the other hand based on the gospel principals listed in the original post the word globalist should more appropriately be used as a good word, not hijacked like you all have.

I can see what you mean. The stated goal is to be one - one heart, no poor among us etc. So globalism doesn’t seem all that bad. The problem is who implements it. Have you read Animal Farm by Orwell? It’s about the Soviet Union beginning with seemingly righteous desires - a vision of utopia. But gradually those who took over power became more corrupt - so much that they ended up in killing their own people (even worse than the Holocaust).

There’s a saying or scripture about how power tends to corrupt - how it tests the character of a person. Most of those in power don’t seem to have the integrity to resist corruption - & how catastrophic corruption would be on a global scale!

So... the idea of no poor among us and feeling more as one - is an ideal that is premature to global conditions. Yet, we can do what we can toward connecting with and caring for one another in our own spheres of influence.

Oh, and I believe that ideally, Christ would have ALL Christian sects united - to put differences aside and accomplish more together. But how divisive it is, it’s difficult to imagine happening. It’s one thing to idealize... another for those ideals to be applied.

Posted: **April 23rd, 2019, 10:49 pm**

The globalist conspiracy that is getting increasingly above us should not be confused with the Kingdom of God that at some point Christ will reign over. The globalist government (a.k.a. new world order) that many of us LDSFF members are concerned about is a no longer so secret combinations seeking to overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations and countries and exercise control over America and the entire world. And when I say control, I mean control of all human, natural, industrial, financial/economic, and agricultural resources. Unless checked, it will destroy the Constitution and our Constitutional government and greatly infringe on personal liberties. It will convert the U.S. from a sovereign Constitutional Republic into a servile member state of a one-world socialist dictatorship under the direction of Satan and under direct control of people neither well intentioned nor benevolent.

I believe that such a world government can come together only after the Christian United States is out of the way. The rest of the world can federate any time it wants to, but a vital, economically strong, Christian United States would have at its disposal the spiritual and material force to prohibit a worldwide satanic dictatorship from winning his battle. With America free and at large, Satan's schemes will at best be only partially successful. Hence the warning by Elder Boyd K. Packer in the August 2010 Ensign magazine, Pg. 23: "We live in a time of war, that spiritual war that will never end. Moroni warned us that the secret combinations begun by Gadianton ‘are had among all people. . . . Wherefore, O ye Gentiles [and the term gentile in that place in the Book of Mormon refers to us in our generation], it is wisdom in God that these things should be shown unto you, that thereby ye may repent of your sins, and suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you. . . .Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination which shall be among you. [Ether 8:20, 23–24]

Posted: **April 23rd, 2019, 11:00 pm**

Globalism essentially is neither right wing or left, in the traditional sense. All the positive gains of the left, such as worker's rights and environmental protections, are gutted by globalism as you can relocate industrial production to nations that have none of these, and leave the workers in developed nations no job opportunities. It goes against right wing ideology as it has contempt for rights enshrined in the Bill of Rights.

So unless you are part of the 1% of the 1% supporting globalism would be like a cow supporting factory farms as they enable you to be fattened up and processed in a more profitable manner.

Posted: **April 24th, 2019, 9:32 am**

markharr wrote: ↑April 23rd, 2019, 4:03 pm
justme wrote: ↑April 23rd, 2019, 3:08 pm I believe that we are all children of God.

I believe that we are sent forth to every nation, tongue, and people to invite all to come unto Christ.

I look forward to the millenial day when we all live peacefully together under the King of Kings.

I believe that every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is the Christ.

I look forward to the building of Zion where we will all be of one heart and one mind.

I thought these were common LDS beliefs.

And if I were to choose a word to describe the common themes above I would say Globalist.

Yet on this forum Globalist seems to be a very bad thing. I don't get it.
Globalism under the savior, or globalism under this. Take your pick.

Actually don't take your pick because you are going to get to experience both.

Well said

Posted: **April 24th, 2019, 9:37 am**

simpleton wrote: ↑April 23rd, 2019, 9:15 pm
justme wrote: ↑April 23rd, 2019, 3:08 pm I look forward to the building of Zion where we will all be of one heart and one mind.
We all? Now yes, some will learn to become of one heart and one mind, but only a small remnant. (according to prophecy) For example, how many in church right now are even becoming of one heart and one mind. Probably couldn't even find 5 in the whole church membership.

I can find five in my ward. I think you might be surprised.

Posted: **April 24th, 2019, 9:39 am**

justme wrote: ↑April 23rd, 2019, 8:16 pm Reading comprehension is not a strong point here I see.

I tried to be clear and concise and I am amazed that anyone professing to be LDS can take issue with what I said.

The problem is in your limited and specialized definition of globalist. I never said that I accepted your definition. In fact all these replies provide an excellent example of straw man fallacy.

On the other hand based on the gospel principals listed in the original post the word globalist should more appropriately be used as a good word, not hijacked like you all have.

In other words, you know that globalism is all rainbows, unicorns, and general nirvana.
dc

Posted: **April 24th, 2019, 9:47 am**

justme wrote: ↑April 23rd, 2019, 3:08 pm I believe that we are all children of God.

I believe that we are sent forth to every nation, tongue, and people to invite all to come unto Christ.

I look forward to the millenial day when we all live peacefully together under the King of Kings.

I believe that every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is the Christ.

I look forward to the building of Zion where we will all be of one heart and one mind.

I thought these were common LDS beliefs.

And if I were to choose a word to describe the common themes above I would say Globalist.

Yet on this forum Globalist seems to be a very bad thing. I don't get it.

This post finds a soft spot in my heart because I have, in the past, seen words that literally would mean one thing and then they are used another way. I set out to fix this by using them the way that they made literal sense. For example, literally globalism would mean basing all actions on the benefit for the whole world.

In spain, they have the royal academy that decides what proper spanish is. France has something similar, as do other languages. I looked for the authority in English, but there is not one! I bought a book that was as close to the authority as you could get. It was 1700 pages and I was reading through it when someone borrowed it and I never got it back. However, it has been worth the 170 dollar price tag I paid as a college student for just the introduction, which said that language is more or less a consensus activity.

That's right. Why does globalism mean anything? What about the sounds glo-bal-ism actually imply the meaning of the word. Other than nordic runes, I can't think of any natural language that the components themself are representative of the meaning. (This is only done in a limited sense in english with onomatopoeia.)

After many years, I finally gave up on "proper english" as you can probably tell when you read my posts on the forum. I even stopped double spacing after a period. That was a difficult choice for me to make. I think it felt like an American soldier abandoning a battlefield as lost (although without the fear for my life).

In reality, language is used to communicate and words have arbitrary definitions. The arbitrary definition assigned to globalism is "the operation or planning of economic and foreign policy on a global basis by self-selected men". And so that's just how it is. But anyone who uses myriad as an adjective is a son of perdition.

Posted: **April 24th, 2019, 10:30 am**

harakim wrote: ↑April 24th, 2019, 9:47 am
justme wrote: ↑April 23rd, 2019, 3:08 pm I believe that we are all children of God.

I believe that we are sent forth to every nation, tongue, and people to invite all to come unto Christ.

I look forward to the millenial day when we all live peacefully together under the King of Kings.

I believe that every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is the Christ.

I look forward to the building of Zion where we will all be of one heart and one mind.

I thought these were common LDS beliefs.

And if I were to choose a word to describe the common themes above I would say Globalist.

Yet on this forum Globalist seems to be a very bad thing. I don't get it.
This post finds a soft spot in my heart because I have, in the past, seen words that literally would mean one thing and then they are used another way. I set out to fix this by using them the way that they made literal sense. For example, literally globalism would mean basing all actions on the benefit for the whole world.

In spain, they have the royal academy that decides what proper spanish is. France has something similar, as do other languages. I looked for the authority in English, but there is not one! I bought a book that was as close to the authority as you could get. It was 1700 pages and I was reading through it when someone borrowed it and I never got it back. However, it has been worth the 170 dollar price tag I paid as a college student for just the introduction, which said that language is more or less a consensus activity.

That's right. Why does globalism mean anything? What about the sounds glo-bal-ism actually imply the meaning of the word. Other than nordic runes, I can't think of any natural language that the components themself are representative of the meaning. (This is only done in a limited sense in english with onomatopoeia.)

After many years, I finally gave up on "proper english" as you can probably tell when you read my posts on the forum. I even stopped double spacing after a period. That was a difficult choice for me to make. I think it felt like an American soldier abandoning a battlefield as lost (although without the fear for my life).

In reality, language is used to communicate and words have arbitrary definitions. The arbitrary definition assigned to globalism is "the operation or planning of economic and foreign policy on a global basis by self-selected men". And so that's just how it is. But anyone who uses myriad as an adjective is a son of perdition.

Posted: **April 24th, 2019, 10:35 am**

justme wrote: ↑April 24th, 2019, 10:30 am
harakim wrote: ↑April 24th, 2019, 9:47 am
justme wrote: ↑April 23rd, 2019, 3:08 pm I believe that we are all children of God.

I believe that we are sent forth to every nation, tongue, and people to invite all to come unto Christ.

I look forward to the millenial day when we all live peacefully together under the King of Kings.

I believe that every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is the Christ.

I look forward to the building of Zion where we will all be of one heart and one mind.

I thought these were common LDS beliefs.

And if I were to choose a word to describe the common themes above I would say Globalist.

Yet on this forum Globalist seems to be a very bad thing. I don't get it.
This post finds a soft spot in my heart because I have, in the past, seen words that literally would mean one thing and then they are used another way. I set out to fix this by using them the way that they made literal sense. For example, literally globalism would mean basing all actions on the benefit for the whole world.

In spain, they have the royal academy that decides what proper spanish is. France has something similar, as do other languages. I looked for the authority in English, but there is not one! I bought a book that was as close to the authority as you could get. It was 1700 pages and I was reading through it when someone borrowed it and I never got it back. However, it has been worth the 170 dollar price tag I paid as a college student for just the introduction, which said that language is more or less a consensus activity.

That's right. Why does globalism mean anything? What about the sounds glo-bal-ism actually imply the meaning of the word. Other than nordic runes, I can't think of any natural language that the components themself are representative of the meaning. (This is only done in a limited sense in english with onomatopoeia.)

After many years, I finally gave up on "proper english" as you can probably tell when you read my posts on the forum. I even stopped double spacing after a period. That was a difficult choice for me to make. I think it felt like an American soldier abandoning a battlefield as lost (although without the fear for my life).

In reality, language is used to communicate and words have arbitrary definitions. The arbitrary definition assigned to globalism is "the operation or planning of economic and foreign policy on a global basis by self-selected men". And so that's just how it is. But anyone who uses myriad as an adjective is a son of perdition.

Finally someone gets the point.

It is frustrating when the other side hijacks words and put the opposite meaning to them. As other examples it is annoying that the abortion crowd has hijacked "freedom of choice" and "homophobia" strikes me as wrong.

It seems to me like a victory for satan when the word globalist is used as a bad word when it should be the ultimate goal.

And I am glad to hear somebody knows the true meaning of the word myriad.

Posted: **April 24th, 2019, 11:15 am**

OK, Justme, how would you suggest we label the "secret combination" that a latter-day Prophet told us in October 1987, "seeks to overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations and countries [and] is increasing its evil influence and control over America and the entire world."? All those involved in the freedom battle of my acquaintance understand the word "globalism" to mean just that. As I said above, we do not apply that word to the Kingdom of God that Christ will eventually reign over.

I suggest that if you want to contribute to and learn anything useful and helpful from participation on this LDSFF that you accept the definition of the word "globalism" as meant here and in other circles as well. In my 81+ years I have observed changes in meanings of many words, not only in English, but in a couple of other languages as well.

Posted: **April 24th, 2019, 11:21 am**

lundbaek wrote: ↑April 24th, 2019, 11:15 am OK, Justme, how would you suggest we label the "secret combination" that a latter-day Prophet told us in October 1987, "seeks to overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations and countries [and] is increasing its evil influence and control over America and the entire world."? All those involved in the freedom battle of my acquaintance understand the word "globalism" to mean just that. As I said above, we do not apply that word to the Kingdom of God that Christ will eventually reign over.

I suggest that if you want to contribute to and learn anything useful and helpful from participation on this LDSFF that you accept the definition of the word "globalism" as meant here and in other circles as well. In my 81+ years I have observed changes in meanings of many words, not only in English, but in a couple of other languages as well.

How about SPECTRE?

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