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djinwa wrote: ↑April 23rd, 2019, 9:59 pm Several factors at work.

It's not just feminism, its our lifestyle and technology that is working against boys.

Boys are designed to create and build and move and hunt and kill and destroy.

But the trend is to have men doing housework and change diapers, and eliminate physical work, and automate, and make more time to sit in front of a screen. And we call that progress.

Which means alot of boys will lose interest.

Our socialist public school system was never designed for boys. They are to sit still, and focus on the abstract. My son-in-law who is full of energy, was once considered ADD and forced to take Ritalin by the school nurse. He learned to tuck it in cheek and spit out later. What kind of evil is this, forcing compliance with drugs? Sounds like something out of Nazi Germany.

Like much of our life, Boy Scouts was fake. I saw alot of filling the square, instead of learning real skills. Instead of meetings and going through the book, why not just go camping or hiking and learn as you go? Why does everything have to be measured or bribed with badges?

Why aren't boys learning day to day skills, like fixing a toilet, or a lawnmower? Change the tires or the oil in the car? Why not do construction, wiring, etc. How about growing food? Why can't the churches have a garden plot? List could go on and on, but doesn't seem to be much interest - just need more fake meetings. Instead of just doing what needs done, or just heading out and having fun, have to plan to death more fake stuff.

I had our kids till our garden with shovels, which they complained about. Years later my son was working construction and people asked where he learned to shovel so well. He admitted it was that garden tilling and his mean old dad. Apparently shoveling has become rare.

Girls can learn such things, also. My daughter was at college working on taking down some shelving at a museum exhibit. Turned out she was the only one that knew how to use a drill to remove screws. Where did she learn that? When I had her help me make chicken pens.

Anyway, our whole lifestyle is becoming fake. Don't see it getting better, as the goal is to do as little physically as possible, which favors females.

Also, more and more boys are raised by single moms, as government checks replace dads. Those single moms are made to be heroes. Certainly harder for moms to teach boys how to be men.

We're circling the drain.

EmmaLee wrote: ↑April 29th, 2019, 10:31 am On May 8, 2018, the First Presidency announced that a new initiative is being developed to replace existing children and youth programs within the Church, including Boy Scouts of America...

Believing Joseph wrote: ↑April 29th, 2019, 5:31 pm

EmmaLee wrote: ↑April 29th, 2019, 10:31 am On May 8, 2018, the First Presidency announced that a new initiative is being developed to replace existing children and youth programs within the Church, including Boy Scouts of America...

I am inclined to see this as good news.

captainfearnot wrote: ↑April 29th, 2019, 3:50 pm Orson Scott Card had some ideas about how to improve the Young Men's program in this essay from 1998:

Basketball Doctrines

His ideas about dance and theater programs sound even more foreign today than they did 20 years ago. But I'm sure some of us still remember roadshows, dance festivals, and pageants.

djinwa wrote: ↑April 23rd, 2019, 9:59 pm My son-in-law who is full of energy, was once considered ADD and forced to take Ritalin by the school nurse. He learned to tuck it in cheek and spit out later. What kind of evil is this, forcing compliance with drugs? Sounds like something out of Nazi Germany.

Fiannan's comment that I'm disputing is this, "Your teen son or daughter has a bigger chance of being seduced by a female PE teacher than a scout leader." Which is different than what you're saying. If someone can show evidence that almost 8,000 female PE teachers have seduced teen boys and girls, I'll retract. In the end, any/all of this is atrocious, and there needs to be much tougher consequences for all of it, IMO - and just because some horny young female teachers can't get dates with adult men, doesn't in any way negate what was revealed in the article I posted above about the almost 8,000 known cases of adult scout leaders sexually abusing boys.

iWriteStuff wrote: ↑April 23rd, 2019, 7:50 am

Vision wrote: ↑April 23rd, 2019, 7:46 am

[email protected] wrote: ↑April 22nd, 2019, 10:56 pm We are not investing enough resources in taking care of our young men, not as a Church and not as a society and this will have devastating consequences for everyone

It's not the Churches job, or Societies job to grow young men, it's the families job. Parents have out sourced the responsibility to parent to Churches, BSA, Sports, and a million other things designed to destroy the family structure. Social pressure only adds to the guilt complex parents go through if their children aren't in dance, comp league sports etc. It's all a clever, subtle false paradigm attack on the family.

I've heard of this culture of putting kids in dance, competitive league sports, cheer competitions, etc. I've never seen the point of any of that stuff, and yet I'm sure there are people looking down their noses at me because I don't ferry my kids around to ten conflicting activities. Where did this come from?

Fiannan wrote: ↑April 29th, 2019, 9:32 pm

Fiannan's comment that I'm disputing is this, "Your teen son or daughter has a bigger chance of being seduced by a female PE teacher than a scout leader." Which is different than what you're saying. If someone can show evidence that almost 8,000 female PE teachers have seduced teen boys and girls, I'll retract. In the end, any/all of this is atrocious, and there needs to be much tougher consequences for all of it, IMO - and just because some horny young female teachers can't get dates with adult men, doesn't in any way negate what was revealed in the article I posted above about the almost 8,000 known cases of adult scout leaders sexually abusing boys.

Over how many years were 8000 incidents to have taken place?
Again, all that information is in the article I linked to. It gives you the exact time-frame.

If 30% of all inappropriate teacher-student incidents involve female teachers and male (usually) but often female students as well then how does that compare to what happened in the scouts?
I don't know, and neither do you, so why do you keep mentioning it? Show me news reports with facts and figures about how many female teachers have molested their students in the same time-frame as the scouting issues documented in the article I linked to, and we'll go from there.
Quite frankly, it seems bizarre that you keep harping on this - it's almost like you're suggesting what has happened to these almost 8,000 boys in the BSA against their will is no big deal because, hey, some desperate young female teachers who can't find dates with grown-ups mess around with students.

Vision wrote: ↑April 29th, 2019, 9:39 pm

iWriteStuff wrote: ↑April 23rd, 2019, 7:50 am

Vision wrote: ↑April 23rd, 2019, 7:46 am

[email protected] wrote: ↑April 22nd, 2019, 10:56 pm We are not investing enough resources in taking care of our young men, not as a Church and not as a society and this will have devastating consequences for everyone

It's not the Churches job, or Societies job to grow young men, it's the families job. Parents have out sourced the responsibility to parent to Churches, BSA, Sports, and a million other things designed to destroy the family structure. Social pressure only adds to the guilt complex parents go through if their children aren't in dance, comp league sports etc. It's all a clever, subtle false paradigm attack on the family.

I've heard of this culture of putting kids in dance, competitive league sports, cheer competitions, etc. I've never seen the point of any of that stuff, and yet I'm sure there are people looking down their noses at me because I don't ferry my kids around to ten conflicting activities. Where did this come from?

I read on Zerohedge today that 66% of parents have gone into debt for their kids extra curricular activities.

Fiannan wrote: ↑April 30th, 2019, 2:13 pm If you want young men to succeed in this world you have to...

Encourage them in their talents

Teach them to stand up for themselves and not to conform

Teach them to strive for learning

Show them examples of virtue and bravery from your life

Teach Gospel principles

Teach them to question authority

Teach them how special their body is and to keep it in shape

Encourage them when they try new things, like attempting to fix their bike without help