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brianj wrote: ↑April 22nd, 2019, 9:47 am A year or two ago there was a broadcast with an apostle and his wife wherein she encouraged praying before making love.

brianj wrote: ↑April 22nd, 2019, 9:47 am A year or two ago there was a broadcast with an apostle and his wife wherein she encouraged praying before making love. I want to share this with someone but can’t find it. Can anyone here point me in the right direction?

brianj wrote: ↑April 22nd, 2019, 9:47 am A year or two ago there was a broadcast with an apostle and his wife wherein she encouraged praying before making love. I want to share this with someone but can’t find it. Can anyone here point me in the right direction?

brianj wrote: ↑April 22nd, 2019, 9:47 am A year or two ago there was a broadcast with an apostle and his wife wherein she encouraged praying before making love. I want to share this with someone but can’t find it. Can anyone here point me in the right direction?

gangbusters wrote: ↑April 22nd, 2019, 10:33 am

brianj wrote: ↑April 22nd, 2019, 9:47 am A year or two ago there was a broadcast with an apostle and his wife wherein she encouraged praying before making love. I want to share this with someone but can’t find it. Can anyone here point me in the right direction?

Please don't let this be true. My testimony has withstood everything. But this? IDK, man.

Aprhys wrote: ↑April 22nd, 2019, 11:01 am

gangbusters wrote: ↑April 22nd, 2019, 10:33 am

brianj wrote: ↑April 22nd, 2019, 9:47 am A year or two ago there was a broadcast with an apostle and his wife wherein she encouraged praying before making love. I want to share this with someone but can’t find it. Can anyone here point me in the right direction?

Please don't let this be true. My testimony has withstood everything. But this? IDK, man.

My goodness this is by far the most idiotic and moronic thing I believe I have ever heard. I agree that if this is true my testimony will be shaken to the core. Good heavens.

brianj wrote: ↑April 22nd, 2019, 11:29 am I’m sorry if this damages testimonies, but I found it. It’s not exactly what I recall but the point is the same:
For true marital intimacy, the Holy Ghost needs to be involved. It is simply not possible to have the kind of intimate experiences outside of marriage that you can have within because the Spirit will not be present.
Wendy Nelson, Love and Marriage, January 2017

brianj wrote: ↑April 22nd, 2019, 11:29 am I’m sorry if this damages testimonies, but I found it. It’s not exactly what I recall but the point is the same:
For true marital intimacy, the Holy Ghost needs to be involved. It is simply not possible to have the kind of intimate experiences outside of marriage that you can have within because the Spirit will not be present.
Wendy Nelson, Love and Marriage, January 2017

ajax wrote: ↑April 22nd, 2019, 11:29 am In this instance, prayer is useless without the necessary anointing with oil.

brianj wrote: ↑April 22nd, 2019, 11:29 am I’m sorry if this damages testimonies, but I found it. It’s not exactly what I recall but the point is the same:
For true marital intimacy, the Holy Ghost needs to be involved. It is simply not possible to have the kind of intimate experiences outside of marriage that you can have within because the Spirit will not be present.
Wendy Nelson, Love and Marriage, January 2017

brianj wrote: ↑April 22nd, 2019, 11:29 am I’m sorry if this damages testimonies, but I found it. It’s not exactly what I recall but the point is the same:
For true marital intimacy, the Holy Ghost needs to be involved. It is simply not possible to have the kind of intimate experiences outside of marriage that you can have within because the Spirit will not be present.
Wendy Nelson, Love and Marriage, January 2017

Gage wrote: ↑April 22nd, 2019, 1:57 pm Sometimes I pray that my wife will not have a headache.

Michelle wrote: ↑April 22nd, 2019, 12:08 pm

brianj wrote: ↑April 22nd, 2019, 11:29 am I’m sorry if this damages testimonies, but I found it. It’s not exactly what I recall but the point is the same:
For true marital intimacy, the Holy Ghost needs to be involved. It is simply not possible to have the kind of intimate experiences outside of marriage that you can have within because the Spirit will not be present.
Wendy Nelson, Love and Marriage, January 2017

That is who I thought you were referencing. That was a great talk.

Sexual intercourse without the Holy Spirit is just carnal desire: lust. It is a worldly view to suggest that sex is a "necessary evil"rather than the "holy of holies" of relationships. (Only one can enter and only when authorized to experience communion with God and each other.)

Sexual intercourse is suppose to be an ordinance. Literally the connection of man and woman at the soul: both body and spirit. When life is created you add Heavenly Father to the equation: the only one who can give life.

Prayer is not only appropriate it is vital to the full experience of the ordinance. I said full experience because one can experience the physical elements without experiencing the spiritual. Like eating the bread and water of sacrament, but without intent to renew the covenant of baptism. Sexual intercourse if the renewing of the covenant made to God when sealed to one's spouse. Bearing children is the fruit of the ordinance, just like remembering Christ, taking His name upon us and keeping His commandments, and receiving His Spirit to be with us, is the fruit of the ordinance of the sacrament.

Prayer is an appropriate way to ask for greater connection with one's spouse, to support one physically when weak, to keep one chaste in the experience.

Think of Mary, the Mother of God, being overshadowed by the Spirit of God to conceive Jesus Christ. I think so many people have a hard time understanding that is because they have a carnal understanding of sexual intimacy and intercourse.

Like all ordinances in this life there is a physical and spiritual element. Like all ordinances in this life, it require authority, and obedience to the boundaries God has set. Like all ordinances it has blessings for both mortality and eternity.

It doesn't really make sense that there is a part of our lives where the Holy Spirit isn't welcome, does it? I think that may be why so many people don't understand the full importance and blessing of sex. If you believe the Spirit should not be present, or un-invite him from being with you, that is going to consistently make that part of your life disappointing in some measure.

Who has a vested interest in encouraging people to turn the most sacred of acts we are authorized to perform in mortality into an experience that is referenced in whispers, with embarrassment and described with words like "dirty?" Satan knows the importance of sex and he has done the "terrible" work of making sure that almost no one knows anymore what it really is and what it really means and what it can really do, in the proper context, to save the world. There is a reason why The Family a Proclamation to the World ends with this warning: "Further, we warn that the disintegration of the family will bring upon individuals, communities, and nations the calamities foretold by ancient and modern prophets." Misunderstanding sex has led to the confusion we see today and the destruction that is on our doorstep right now.

Great8 wrote: ↑April 22nd, 2019, 2:26 pm I pray before so that my wife gets in the mood and then I pray afterwards that she's not pregnant! Six is enough!