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setyourselffree wrote: ↑April 22nd, 2019, 10:42 am

brianj wrote: ↑April 22nd, 2019, 9:47 am A year or two ago there was a broadcast with an apostle and his wife wherein she encouraged praying before making love. I want to share this with someone but can’t find it. Can anyone here point me in the right direction?

I have at times in my marriage wanted to do things that are unholy. When a couple is making love sometimes you can get a little to passionate and do things you feel bad about afterward. So while I don't think this is true I can see why it would be a good idea. It sure would destroy the mood though. Hahahahahaha

If it's JUST between the two of you, then I can't really think of anything that God would not approve of. As far as praying beforehand; I for one can't think of a better mood killer. It'd be like bringing one of your parents to your honeymoon beforehand to have a discussion with THEM about it to get some wisdom and experience.

We can do better on this forum people. Honestly, lately, there have been some low I.Q stuff :/

tdj wrote: ↑April 22nd, 2019, 7:41 pm

setyourselffree wrote: ↑April 22nd, 2019, 10:42 am

brianj wrote: ↑April 22nd, 2019, 9:47 am A year or two ago there was a broadcast with an apostle and his wife wherein she encouraged praying before making love. I want to share this with someone but can’t find it. Can anyone here point me in the right direction?

I have at times in my marriage wanted to do things that are unholy. When a couple is making love sometimes you can get a little to passionate and do things you feel bad about afterward. So while I don't think this is true I can see why it would be a good idea. It sure would destroy the mood though. Hahahahahaha

If it's JUST between the two of you, then I can't really think of anything that God would not approve of. As far as praying beforehand; I for one can't think of a better mood killer. It'd be like bringing one of your parents to your honeymoon beforehand to have a discussion with THEM about it to get some wisdom and experience.

We can do better on this forum people. Honestly, lately, there have been some low I.Q stuff :/

I can think if a lot of things he would not approve of. I have done things during sex in the heat of the moment that I can remember feeling darkness afterward.

Honestly...for goodness sakes....

brianj wrote: ↑April 22nd, 2019, 11:29 am I’m sorry if this damages testimonies, but I found it. It’s not exactly what I recall but the point is the same:
For true marital intimacy, the Holy Ghost needs to be involved. It is simply not possible to have the kind of intimate experiences outside of marriage that you can have within because the Spirit will not be present.
Wendy Nelson, Love and Marriage, January 2017

Maybe it's just me, but I get a really uneasy feeling about that woman.
I suspect she has undue influence.

Interesting though, I may have joked earlier about Crowley but modern-day Pagans, especially female ones, are really getting into the concept of what is called "sex magic" which essentially means that one focuses on a goal during sex after having stated the goal in some sort of prayer or ceremony. While your mind is in an altered state it connects more with the higher powers and a want or desire is more likely to come about.

Fiannan wrote: ↑April 22nd, 2019, 9:50 am I think Aliester Crowley did this...oh wait, he prayed to the same entities that the people who run western society pray to.

You mean themselves? And who is this Crowley you and others keep talking about? You are not a fan of the anime A Certain Magical Index are you?

Durzan wrote: ↑April 23rd, 2019, 6:47 am

Fiannan wrote: ↑April 22nd, 2019, 9:50 am I think Aliester Crowley did this...oh wait, he prayed to the same entities that the people who run western society pray to.

You mean themselves? And who is this Crowley you and others keep talking about? You are not a fan of the anime A Certain Magical Index are you?

Never heard of it. The guy I was referencing was a British occultist who helped usher in much of modern culture:

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2004/jul/10/society

Fiannan wrote: ↑April 23rd, 2019, 1:37 am Interesting though, I may have joked earlier about Crowley but modern-day Pagans, especially female ones, are really getting into the concept of what is called "sex magic" which essentially means that one focuses on a goal during sex after having stated the goal in some sort of prayer or ceremony. While your mind is in an altered state it connects more with the higher powers and a want or desire is more likely to come about.

Are they taking drugs?

I see no difference with a group prayer before a service project with a goal and focus on meeting that goal, just no drugs to alter the mind.

MMbelieve wrote: ↑April 23rd, 2019, 7:54 am

Fiannan wrote: ↑April 23rd, 2019, 1:37 am Interesting though, I may have joked earlier about Crowley but modern-day Pagans, especially female ones, are really getting into the concept of what is called "sex magic" which essentially means that one focuses on a goal during sex after having stated the goal in some sort of prayer or ceremony. While your mind is in an altered state it connects more with the higher powers and a want or desire is more likely to come about.

Are they taking drugs?

I see no difference with a group prayer before a service project with a goal and focus on meeting that goal, just no drugs to alter the mind.

The articles I have read have never mentioned drugs.

Davka wrote: ↑April 22nd, 2019, 3:08 pm Elder Holland taught that we are never closer to Gods in this life than when we are engaging in sex.

Do you have a reference for this? I would love to read the quote in context.

brianj wrote: ↑April 23rd, 2019, 8:20 am

Davka wrote: ↑April 22nd, 2019, 3:08 pm Elder Holland taught that we are never closer to Gods in this life than when we are engaging in sex.

Do you have a reference for this? I would love to read the quote in context.

When we use the creative powers God has given us we are essentially acting as a God. I think that is what he means by that.

Don't you usually say your prayers before you climb into bed? Just make sure to cover all your bases as you do...just in case.

Fiannan wrote: ↑April 23rd, 2019, 7:56 amThe articles I have read have never mentioned drugs.

Can’t speak for modern-day pagans, but Crowley used loads of drugs. I would assume that tradition hasn’t changed much since his time.

It makes me wonder, since in the end Satan is only a counterfeitter, what exactly is he counterfeitting with this idea of sex magic that absolutely dominates the occult?

All priesthood power, true or false, comes back to sex. There’s a reason why unmarried men can never obtain the fulness of the holy priesthood.

brianj wrote: ↑April 23rd, 2019, 8:20 am

Davka wrote: ↑April 22nd, 2019, 3:08 pm Elder Holland taught that we are never closer to Gods in this life than when we are engaging in sex.

Do you have a reference for this? I would love to read the quote in context.

Yes. The talk is called "Of Souls, Symbols and Sacraments."

I can't find a transcription of it right now, but here is a YouTube link.

djinwa wrote: ↑April 22nd, 2019, 7:32 pm This is all pretty funny. The "ordinance" of sex. Where is that in the handbook? What exactly are the procedures to follow?

Well, I think just laying on of hands is not all.
As J. Golden Kimball said to Reed Smoot:

Reed Smoot was a widower. In Washington, D.C., he met Alice Sheets, fell in love and they decided to marry.
There was a considerable difference, however, in their ages.
Brother Smoot returned to Salt Lake to ask the brethren for their approval. They said, "Oh, yes, she will be wonderful. She will be a great companion for you."
Smoot was leaving the meeting when he met Golden on the front steps of the Church headquarters.
The groom-to-be said, "I guess you've heard about my plans to remarry."
Golden said, "Congratulations. But you know, Reed, you and I are old men. And Sister Sheets, well, she's a young woman. I don't know, Reed... I think on the wedding night she's going to expect just a little bit more than the laying on of hands."

abijah wrote: ↑April 23rd, 2019, 9:49 am

Fiannan wrote: ↑April 23rd, 2019, 7:56 amThe articles I have read have never mentioned drugs.

Can’t speak for modern-day pagans, but Crowley used loads of drugs. I would assume that tradition hasn’t changed much since his time.

It makes me wonder, since in the end Satan is only a counterfeitter, what exactly is he counterfeitting with this idea of sex magic that absolutely dominates the occult?

All priesthood power, true or false, comes back to sex. There’s a reason why unmarried men can never obtain the fulness of the holy priesthood.

True. Most Mormons, and Christians in general, have no idea the origins of many of the archetypes they employ. When I was in Rome a while back I can bet few of the people in Vatican Square knew the significance of the phallus that dominates the area.

Davka wrote: ↑April 23rd, 2019, 10:01 am

brianj wrote: ↑April 23rd, 2019, 8:20 am

Davka wrote: ↑April 22nd, 2019, 3:08 pm Elder Holland taught that we are never closer to Gods in this life than when we are engaging in sex.

Do you have a reference for this? I would love to read the quote in context.

Yes. The talk is called "Of Souls, Symbols and Sacraments."

I can't find a transcription of it right now, but here is a YouTube link.

Thank you. This helped me find the talk: https://speeches.byu.edu/talks/jeffrey- ... acraments/

The relevant part is under the subtitle A Holy Sacrament.

brianj wrote: ↑April 23rd, 2019, 5:24 pm

Davka wrote: ↑April 23rd, 2019, 10:01 am

brianj wrote: ↑April 23rd, 2019, 8:20 am

Davka wrote: ↑April 22nd, 2019, 3:08 pm Elder Holland taught that we are never closer to Gods in this life than when we are engaging in sex.

Do you have a reference for this? I would love to read the quote in context.

Yes. The talk is called "Of Souls, Symbols and Sacraments."

I can't find a transcription of it right now, but here is a YouTube link.

Thank you. This helped me find the talk: https://speeches.byu.edu/talks/jeffrey- ... acraments/

The relevant part is under the subtitle A Holy Sacrament.

I haven't read it in years...like since I was a young adult struggling to obey the law of chastity. I would say the talk is even more interesting and meaningful to me now in my current phase of life.

He basically says the same thing Michelle said earlier about sex being an ordinance. Because of how sex is viewed in our society and how we are influenced by that view, it is hard for us to compare what we do in the bedroom with what we do in sacrament meeting every week.

You know, come to think of it, it is interesting that sex is such a private thing...we assume that must be because it is inherently dirty or embarrassing, when really it is because it is so sacred. Kind of like only a select few being allowed in the temple, not because the ordinances there are bad or embarrassing or even secret, but because we don't throw our pearls before swine.

Wonder if King David and Uriah's wife, Bathsheba prayed prior to their sexual alliance...

buffalo_girl wrote: ↑April 23rd, 2019, 7:20 pm Wonder if King David and Uriah's wife, Bathsheba prayed prior to their sexual alliance...

That was weird!

That was weird!

Read your Bible!

buffalo_girl wrote: ↑April 23rd, 2019, 7:20 pm Wonder if King David and Uriah's wife, Bathsheba prayed prior to their sexual alliance...

If so, it would have been an abomination.

If so, it would have been an abomination.

Well...according to both the Matthew & Luke genealogies Jesus is descended through two sons of David & Bathsheba - one of whom was Solomon, in the Matthew account, and in the Luke account Nathan, thus establishing Jesus' Davidic ancestry through both his 'mortal' parents.

Interesting discussion about the differences in the two accounts.

http://evidenceforchristianity.org/what ... t-solomon/

Personally, I think it is entirely up to the married couple whether or not they are inspired to commune with God prior to communing with one another.

Here is a transcript of that talk. Wow, so powerful. I remember reading it when I was a teenager but now it has so much more to think about.
https://speeches.byu.edu/talks/jeffrey- ... acraments/

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brianj wrote: ↑April 23rd, 2019, 8:20 am

Davka wrote: ↑April 22nd, 2019, 3:08 pm Elder Holland taught that we are never closer to Gods in this life than when we are engaging in sex.

Do you have a reference for this? I would love to read the quote in context.

Yes. The talk is called "Of Souls, Symbols and Sacraments."

I can't find a transcription of it right now, but here is a YouTube link.
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that sexual union is also, in its own profound way, a very real sacrament of the highest order, a union not only of a man and a woman but very much the union of that man and woman with God. Indeed, if our definition of sacrament is that act of claiming and sharing and exercising God’s own inestimable power, then I know of virtually no other divine privilege so routinely given to us all—women or men, ordained or unordained, Latter-day Saint or non-Latter-day Saint—than the miraculous and majestic power of transmitting life, the unspeakable, unfathomable, unbroken power of procreation.