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Something interesting on the east side of Jerusalem, as Muslims seek to frighten the Messiah away.

Posted: April 21st, 2019, 9:37 pm
by kirtland r.m.
I have known about this for some years. You can see a nice photo of this at link below.

Two Cemeteries and Two Purposes

The largest Jewish cemetery in the world dots the side of the Mount of Olives as it slopes down into the valley that separates it from Jerusalem. Why be buried here?

The Scriptures teach that when the Messiah descends, His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives east of Jerusalem and He will judge the nations (Zech. 14:4). Scattered along that hillside today, those thousands of Jewish graves give testimony to the hope that those buried there will receive a more benevolent resurrection when Messiah comes.

On the other side of the Kidron Valley, sloping up towards the Temple Mount, a large Muslim cemetery blocks the eastern gate, or Golden Gate, which itself is even bricked closed. One tradition suggests that after the Messiah appears, He will enter Jerusalem through this gate. The graves therefore represent an attempt to “defile” anyone who would ascend the hill in order to enter the gate.https://waynestiles.com/theres-only-one ... ont-enter/

It won't work. :)

Re: Something interesting on the east side of Jerusalem, as Muslims seek to frighten the Messiah away.

Posted: April 21st, 2019, 9:48 pm
by abijah
Always found this fascinating. Thanks for sharing.

Re: Something interesting on the east side of Jerusalem, as Muslims seek to frighten the Messiah away.

Posted: April 22nd, 2019, 11:29 am
by SmallFarm
Hogwash.

Re: Something interesting on the east side of Jerusalem, as Muslims seek to frighten the Messiah away.

Posted: April 22nd, 2019, 4:58 pm
by kirtland r.m.
SmallFarm wrote: April 22nd, 2019, 11:29 amHogwash.
Muslims Still Trying to Keep Messiah Out of Jerusalem
Sunday, February 24, 2019 | David Lazarus
The area known as the Golden Gate is one of eight gates in the walls surrounding the Old City of Jerusalem. The Golden or Eastern Gate faces the Mount of Olives and allows the most direct access to the exact spot where Solomon’s Temple stood. In Hebrew it is called Sha’ar Harachamimi, “Gate of Mercy,” because of its proximity to Holy of Holies and the Mercy Seat. To this day it remains one of the most important places for Jewish prayer.

The gate was sealed by the Ottoman Sultan Suleiman in 1541 to prevent the return of the Jewish Messiah through the gate as foretold in the Hebrew Bible. Jewish literature details that when the Messiah (the promised deliverer of the Jewish nation as prophesied in the Jewish bible) arrives, he will enter Jerusalem through the Eastern, or Golden Gate. The Turkish invaders also planted a Muslim cemetery in front of the gate to keep Jews away, as it is considered unclean for a Jew to enter a Muslim cemetery.

Jesus entered Jerusalem through the gate around 30 A.D. (long before it was blocked by the Ottomans) as he came down from the Mount of Olives and entered the Temple according to Luke 19:28-48. Once inside the city, Jesus said that he would not be seen again until Jerusalem acknowledges him as Messiah (Matthew 23:37-39).

The Golden Gate is presently considered by the Arabs to be their exclusive property. It remains sealed up and blocked off and Muslim authorities refuse to allow Jews to pray in the area. Crashing through the gate and shouting Allah is Great may feel like a victory to Palestinians concerned with mundane political disputes. According to biblical prophecy, however, one day the Messiah’s feet will touch upon the Mount of Olives and he will walk straight down and right through the Golden Gate to set Jerusalem free from her bondage and bring an everlasting peace, for both Arab and Jew.http://www.israeltoday.co.il/NewsItem/t ... fault.aspx

Re: Something interesting on the east side of Jerusalem, as Muslims seek to frighten the Messiah away.

Posted: April 25th, 2019, 2:53 pm
by brianj
My understanding is that Muslim belief holds the spirits of those buried there will prevent the Messiah from passing. And I have read that when Crusaders acquired Jerusalem they left the Golden Gate sealed to prevent Christ from returning.

Re: Something interesting on the east side of Jerusalem, as Muslims seek to frighten the Messiah away.

Posted: April 26th, 2019, 2:51 pm
by harakim
kirtland r.m. wrote: April 21st, 2019, 9:37 pm I have known about this for some years. You can see a nice photo of this at link below.

Two Cemeteries and Two Purposes

The largest Jewish cemetery in the world dots the side of the Mount of Olives as it slopes down into the valley that separates it from Jerusalem. Why be buried here?

The Scriptures teach that when the Messiah descends, His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives east of Jerusalem and He will judge the nations (Zech. 14:4). Scattered along that hillside today, those thousands of Jewish graves give testimony to the hope that those buried there will receive a more benevolent resurrection when Messiah comes.

On the other side of the Kidron Valley, sloping up towards the Temple Mount, a large Muslim cemetery blocks the eastern gate, or Golden Gate, which itself is even bricked closed. One tradition suggests that after the Messiah appears, He will enter Jerusalem through this gate. The graves therefore represent an attempt to “defile” anyone who would ascend the hill in order to enter the gate.https://waynestiles.com/theres-only-one ... ont-enter/

It won't work. :)
*rolls eyes AGAIN*

You realize the muslims believe in Jesus and his second coming right? And the Jews killed him...

Re: Something interesting on the east side of Jerusalem, as Muslims seek to frighten the Messiah away.

Posted: April 26th, 2019, 9:57 pm
by kirtland r.m.
harakim wrote: April 26th, 2019, 2:51 pm
kirtland r.m. wrote: April 21st, 2019, 9:37 pm I have known about this for some years. You can see a nice photo of this at link below.

Two Cemeteries and Two Purposes

The largest Jewish cemetery in the world dots the side of the Mount of Olives as it slopes down into the valley that separates it from Jerusalem. Why be buried here?

The Scriptures teach that when the Messiah descends, His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives east of Jerusalem and He will judge the nations (Zech. 14:4). Scattered along that hillside today, those thousands of Jewish graves give testimony to the hope that those buried there will receive a more benevolent resurrection when Messiah comes.

On the other side of the Kidron Valley, sloping up towards the Temple Mount, a large Muslim cemetery blocks the eastern gate, or Golden Gate, which itself is even bricked closed. One tradition suggests that after the Messiah appears, He will enter Jerusalem through this gate. The graves therefore represent an attempt to “defile” anyone who would ascend the hill in order to enter the gate.https://waynestiles.com/theres-only-one ... ont-enter/

It won't work. :)
*rolls eyes AGAIN*

You realize the Muslims believe in Jesus and his second coming right? And the Jews killed him...
harakim, you are missing part of the point here. Many Muslims believe that Jesus was a holy man and or a prophet, and that is where it ends. They do not believe Him to be the Messiah, neither do most of the Jews(although in the case of the Jews, if you knew what is in their hearts, many are afraid they have made a terrible mistake in that wrong conclusion). I have told a number of Jews that the Bible story of who killed the Lord and why is accurate. They tend to be disappointed in hearing that, however it is true. The Jewish standard line is that the Lord was merely a fraud, and a false prophet, they COULDN'T BE MORE WRONG. This post was not meant to disparage anyone. When given a good opportunity to honestly hear the fullness of the gospel, either in this life, or in the spirit world, I hope that many will embrace it
I will post a little personal experience here just because it is was interesting. I have, back in the 1990's, been a tour guide at Temple Square, in Salt Lake City. On Sunday evenings we would get bus tours from Israel. They were on a tour of our National Parks in the west. I often was the tour guide for them. They would take a lot of our literature(lot's of pamphlets) and some copies of the Book of Mormon. Not in Hebrew, we could not pass them out I was told because of a deal the Church had made, when building the Jerusalem Center, but we gave out copies to those who would take them, in English, French, German ect..
Many were interested in what we told them, I could clearly see. However, I did have one experience with one of the female Jewish Tour organizers, which won't be real surprising. After taking a group through the North Visitor"s Center, and showing them the Gallery of the New Testament(beautiful paintings of the Savior's life, death, and resurrection), this woman said, "what you are telling them is confusing them". Yes, if they had been taught all of their lives that the "real Messiah" had not come yet, and were given a clearer picture of what had been the experience of the real one, Jesus the Christ, there may have been a juggling of some thoughts as they pondered what they had seen and been told. She didn't like that.

Re: Something interesting on the east side of Jerusalem, as Muslims seek to frighten the Messiah away.

Posted: April 26th, 2019, 10:36 pm
by Alaris
This is interesting. A Muslim ruler sealed the golden gate around 1500 ad to stop the Messiah from entering. What's hilarious about that is why would they bother if their religion is true? It's almost like they realize the truth at some level.

Re: Something interesting on the east side of Jerusalem, as Muslims seek to frighten the Messiah away.

Posted: April 29th, 2019, 3:12 pm
by harakim
kirtland r.m. wrote: April 26th, 2019, 9:57 pm
harakim wrote: April 26th, 2019, 2:51 pm
kirtland r.m. wrote: April 21st, 2019, 9:37 pm I have known about this for some years. You can see a nice photo of this at link below.

Two Cemeteries and Two Purposes

The largest Jewish cemetery in the world dots the side of the Mount of Olives as it slopes down into the valley that separates it from Jerusalem. Why be buried here?

The Scriptures teach that when the Messiah descends, His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives east of Jerusalem and He will judge the nations (Zech. 14:4). Scattered along that hillside today, those thousands of Jewish graves give testimony to the hope that those buried there will receive a more benevolent resurrection when Messiah comes.

On the other side of the Kidron Valley, sloping up towards the Temple Mount, a large Muslim cemetery blocks the eastern gate, or Golden Gate, which itself is even bricked closed. One tradition suggests that after the Messiah appears, He will enter Jerusalem through this gate. The graves therefore represent an attempt to “defile” anyone who would ascend the hill in order to enter the gate.https://waynestiles.com/theres-only-one ... ont-enter/

It won't work. :)
*rolls eyes AGAIN*

You realize the Muslims believe in Jesus and his second coming right? And the Jews killed him...
harakim, you are missing part of the point here. Many Muslims believe that Jesus was a holy man and or a prophet, and that is where it ends. They do not believe Him to be the Messiah, neither do most of the Jews(although in the case of the Jews, if you knew what is in their hearts, many are afraid they have made a terrible mistake in that wrong conclusion).
This is inaccurate. Muslims believe Jesus was the second greatest prophet and that HE will return in the second coming, just like Christians do. You should do your homework. I have. If the Jews believed Jesus was the Messiah, then they'd be Christians.

Re: Something interesting on the east side of Jerusalem, as Muslims seek to frighten the Messiah away.

Posted: April 29th, 2019, 6:24 pm
by kirtland r.m.
harakim wrote: April 29th, 2019, 3:12 pm
kirtland r.m. wrote: April 26th, 2019, 9:57 pm
harakim wrote: April 26th, 2019, 2:51 pm
kirtland r.m. wrote: April 21st, 2019, 9:37 pm I have known about this for some years. You can see a nice photo of this at link below.

Two Cemeteries and Two Purposes

The largest Jewish cemetery in the world dots the side of the Mount of Olives as it slopes down into the valley that separates it from Jerusalem. Why be buried here?

The Scriptures teach that when the Messiah descends, His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives east of Jerusalem and He will judge the nations (Zech. 14:4). Scattered along that hillside today, those thousands of Jewish graves give testimony to the hope that those buried there will receive a more benevolent resurrection when Messiah comes.

On the other side of the Kidron Valley, sloping up towards the Temple Mount, a large Muslim cemetery blocks the eastern gate, or Golden Gate, which itself is even bricked closed. One tradition suggests that after the Messiah appears, He will enter Jerusalem through this gate. The graves therefore represent an attempt to “defile” anyone who would ascend the hill in order to enter the gate.https://waynestiles.com/theres-only-one ... ont-enter/

It won't work. :)
*rolls eyes AGAIN*

You realize the Muslims believe in Jesus and his second coming right? And the Jews killed him...
harakim, you are missing part of the point here. Many Muslims believe that Jesus was a holy man and or a prophet, and that is where it ends. They do not believe Him to be the Messiah, neither do most of the Jews(although in the case of the Jews, if you knew what is in their hearts, many are afraid they have made a terrible mistake in that wrong conclusion).
This is inaccurate. Muslims believe Jesus was the second greatest prophet and that HE will return in the second coming, just like Christians do. You should do your homework. I have. If the Jews believed Jesus was the Messiah, then they'd be Christians.
Oh, I go it right, here is what I said, " Many Muslims believe that Jesus was a holy man and or a prophet, and that is where it ends. They do not believe Him to be the Messiah, neither do most of the Jews" but here is more detail. The Quran mentions Jesus, or Isa, 25 times, but differently each time. The Quran explains that Jesus was born of the virgin Mary (19:20–21) and is “high honored in this and the next world” (3:45–47). Thus, he is called Isa ibn Maryam, or Jesus son of Mary. The Quran also refers to him as ruh min Allah (“Spirit from God”), mushia bi’l baraka (“the Messiah—someone blessed by God”), kalimah min Allah (“Word from/of God”), and rasul (Prophet-Messenger) of God.

Muslims believe that Jesus was a prophet who was given a special message—injil, or the gospel—to convey to all people. This message both confirmed what was taught in the Torah and foretold the coming of Prophet Muhammad. Thus, Jesus has a vital and unique role to play in the Muslim faith.

However, while Muslims accept that Jesus was a servant, teacher, and lover of God’s Word, they do not believe that he was divine or the son of God. The Quran describes the miracles Jesus performed, such as healing the sick and raising the dead, but does not ascribe these miracles to his divinity. Instead, Jesus is a sign to all humankind of God’s endless mercy.

Muslims do not believe in original sin. They see no need for a savior and, moreover, do not believe in Jesus’ crucifixion. The Quran states that Jesus was assumed into heaven (3:169) before his actual death. Islamic tradition explains that Jesus was spared death because he was God’s holy one. Muslims believe Jesus’ enemies could not triumph over him because he is God’s chosen servant.

Like Christians, Muslims believe that Jesus will return. Islamic texts say that Jesus will come back on the Day of Judgment, when he will destroy the ad-dajjal—anti-Christ or imposter.

Throughout history and today many Islamic thinkers have used Jesus as an important religious model. Eleventh- and 12th-century scholar Abu Hamid al-Ghazali encouraged Muslims to pray as Jesus prayed. Thirteenth-century philosopher Ibn ‘Arabi called Jesus wilaya (“seal of the friend of God”) because he possessed the highest knowledge of and intimacy with God. Mahmoud Ayoub, a modern Islamic theologian, has developed an Islamic Christology that explores how Jesus exemplifies the fulfillment of humanity by being fully illuminated by God’s light (tajalli).

Of course Islamic thought on Jesus differs from Christian teachings. But we also share many common beliefs: the virgin birth of Jesus to Mary, profound respect for the mystery of God, love for Jesus, and a willingness to learn from his life as we seek happiness with God. Perhaps here is an opening for a productive conversation between our faiths.

This article also appears in the September 2016 issue of U.S. Catholic (Vol. 81, No. 9, page 49).

Re: Something interesting on the east side of Jerusalem, as Muslims seek to frighten the Messiah away.

Posted: May 1st, 2019, 1:55 pm
by harakim
kirtland r.m. wrote: April 29th, 2019, 6:24 pm
harakim wrote: April 29th, 2019, 3:12 pm
kirtland r.m. wrote: April 26th, 2019, 9:57 pm
harakim wrote: April 26th, 2019, 2:51 pm

*rolls eyes AGAIN*

You realize the Muslims believe in Jesus and his second coming right? And the Jews killed him...
harakim, you are missing part of the point here. Many Muslims believe that Jesus was a holy man and or a prophet, and that is where it ends. They do not believe Him to be the Messiah, neither do most of the Jews(although in the case of the Jews, if you knew what is in their hearts, many are afraid they have made a terrible mistake in that wrong conclusion).
This is inaccurate. Muslims believe Jesus was the second greatest prophet and that HE will return in the second coming, just like Christians do. You should do your homework. I have. If the Jews believed Jesus was the Messiah, then they'd be Christians.
Oh, I go it right, here is what I said, " Many Muslims believe that Jesus was a holy man and or a prophet, and that is where it ends. They do not believe Him to be the Messiah, neither do most of the Jews" but here is more detail. The Quran mentions Jesus, or Isa, 25 times, but differently each time. The Quran explains that Jesus was born of the virgin Mary (19:20–21) and is “high honored in this and the next world” (3:45–47). Thus, he is called Isa ibn Maryam, or Jesus son of Mary. The Quran also refers to him as ruh min Allah (“Spirit from God”), mushia bi’l baraka (“the Messiah—someone blessed by God”), kalimah min Allah (“Word from/of God”), and rasul (Prophet-Messenger) of God.

Muslims believe that Jesus was a prophet who was given a special message—injil, or the gospel—to convey to all people. This message both confirmed what was taught in the Torah and foretold the coming of Prophet Muhammad. Thus, Jesus has a vital and unique role to play in the Muslim faith.

However, while Muslims accept that Jesus was a servant, teacher, and lover of God’s Word, they do not believe that he was divine or the son of God. The Quran describes the miracles Jesus performed, such as healing the sick and raising the dead, but does not ascribe these miracles to his divinity. Instead, Jesus is a sign to all humankind of God’s endless mercy.

Muslims do not believe in original sin. They see no need for a savior and, moreover, do not believe in Jesus’ crucifixion. The Quran states that Jesus was assumed into heaven (3:169) before his actual death. Islamic tradition explains that Jesus was spared death because he was God’s holy one. Muslims believe Jesus’ enemies could not triumph over him because he is God’s chosen servant.

Like Christians, Muslims believe that Jesus will return. Islamic texts say that Jesus will come back on the Day of Judgment, when he will destroy the ad-dajjal—anti-Christ or imposter.

Throughout history and today many Islamic thinkers have used Jesus as an important religious model. Eleventh- and 12th-century scholar Abu Hamid al-Ghazali encouraged Muslims to pray as Jesus prayed. Thirteenth-century philosopher Ibn ‘Arabi called Jesus wilaya (“seal of the friend of God”) because he possessed the highest knowledge of and intimacy with God. Mahmoud Ayoub, a modern Islamic theologian, has developed an Islamic Christology that explores how Jesus exemplifies the fulfillment of humanity by being fully illuminated by God’s light (tajalli).

Of course Islamic thought on Jesus differs from Christian teachings. But we also share many common beliefs: the virgin birth of Jesus to Mary, profound respect for the mystery of God, love for Jesus, and a willingness to learn from his life as we seek happiness with God. Perhaps here is an opening for a productive conversation between our faiths.

This article also appears in the September 2016 issue of U.S. Catholic (Vol. 81, No. 9, page 49).
So how does this reality jive with:

"On the other side of the Kidron Valley, sloping up towards the Temple Mount, a large Muslim cemetery blocks the eastern gate, or Golden Gate, which itself is even bricked closed. One tradition suggests that after the Messiah appears, He will enter Jerusalem through this gate. The graves therefore represent an attempt to “defile” anyone who would ascend the hill in order to enter the gate"

The muslims want him to return. Why would they defile anyone who would ascend the hill? That's like stabbing yourself in the face.