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This is an honest question and something I've been thinking about a lot lately. This is not an attack on Jews (in fact it is the opposite)...I am worried that history is beginning to repeat itself. I myself am not completely sold on the idea that Jews are over-represented, but after the Pittsburgh shooting I decided I wanted to see how somebody could get to the point of committing such a hateful act. Rather than posting some pointless hashtag I decided I wanted to figure out WHY this guy did what he did. After doing a lot of research for a couple of weeks it is much easier to see how somebody could get caught up in that way of thinking. Let me be clear that I do not in any way condone any violence towards any person of any faith/race/group. But I did begin to see a pattern of Jews being very influential today as well as in the roots of so many different sectors of our society.

What worries me is that the subject is so taboo that most people who do have this belief are afraid to talk about it. So they keep their mouths shut and let genuine curiosity boil into hate as they search the dark corners of the internet for information, where they usually find misinformation. They are shunned and left to feel like a victim themselves, so they seek revenge. Naturally, this causes more sensitivity for anti-Semitism which leads to more "anti-Semites" feeling like victims. And on and on the cycle continues until it is too late to stop. A better solution would be an open dialogue so that most of the misinformation that drives the hate can be set to rest and any true information can be discussed in a non-threatening and non-violent way.

The amount of anti-Semitism accusations from the MSM has risen recently, to the point where many (including myself) all but tune out. Most of the time this is not intentional but rather a conditioned state no different than shrugging your shoulders when you hear the national debt is 22 trillion dollars. There was even an article recently that argued that it is racist to call a minority (Ilhan Omar) out for anti-Semitic comments.

So back to my original question. Is it inherently anti-Semitic to believe that Jews are over-represented? I'm open to any discussion and have no pre-determined ideology and agenda.



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Reddit thinks so. It’s also anti Semitic to say that the Jews killed Jesus somehow.


I don’t think it’s anti semetic but it is strange how many of them there are in those positions though.

Stahura wrote: ↑April 19th, 2019, 4:18 pm I don’t think it’s anti semetic but it is strange how many of them there are in those positions though.

Ya at first I thought it was mere coincidence but the more and more I looked into it the less coincidental it seemed.

Someone sent me this a while ago:
https://cintayati.wordpress.com/2014/07 ... hip-chart/

I think they are over represented, but it is so they can be thrown under the bus when things go south. They are also over represented in medicine and banking.

I think that if one is careful in regards to how one talks about it, and careful to state the facts only, then it's not a sin to state what one has found in their research. I cannot speak to this specific issue of anti-Semitism. But maintaining a free society depends on being able to discuss difficult issues. For this reason, I do not think it is sinful to ask tough questions (like the ones you asked yourself when doing your research), if one is honest and pure in heart. Likewise, I don't necessarily think it is sinful to state your findings. On the other hand, if someone has an axe to grind with the Jews, if they start "asking questions", it may represent more than just asking questions. That is, it may stem from their desire to promote hate, but under the guise of wanting an open, honest discussion. So sometimes whether you are sinning in talking about these kinds of issues may depend on your intent.

Note that in the above paragraph, rather than tackle the notion of whether asking a question or making a statement is "anti-Semitic" or not, I addressed it from the notion of whether it is a sin or not. Because frankly, if something becomes "anti-Semitic" from a politically correct viewpoint, that should not necessarily mean we should not talk about it. So the question shouldn't be "is it anti-Semitic", the question should be, "should I be promulgating these findings, or asking these questions".... without respect to whether others consider it "anti-Semitic".

To put this in another context, let's ask the question of whether it is "homophobic" to declare homosexuality as sinful. Well, from one point of view, does it matter? Who cares if it's "homophobic"? What really matters is to speak the truth, regardless of how others will label your position. I dunno, perhaps that was a bad analogy. I think I'm just sensitive to political correctness (I don't like it), and throwing "anti-Semitism" around in political discussion as some sort of club, disturbs me. It disturbs me in a similar way as other phrases that are often flung about in a political correctness context... But then again, I've seen some pretty distasteful rants against the Jews, which I would probably call "anti-Semitic", so ... I guess I'm just rambling at this point.... <sigh>

harakim wrote: ↑April 19th, 2019, 4:53 pm I think they are over represented, but it is so they can be thrown under the bus when things go south. They are also over represented in medicine and banking.

This is one of the main conclusions I've considered. That Satan and his minions have set up a system where they can use Jews as a shield. It's stated perfectly in the new testament as "the Synagogue of Satan". The Jews really are the victims being tossed around and used by "them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan" and then tossed around again by the Gentiles.

One thing I found interesting in my research was that J Reuben Clark used to give a copy of the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion to new GA's as they were appointed. When I heard this I decided to read the book for myself. To me the book fits into that theory that Satan and his minions are the "learned elders of Zion" who hide behind Jews in their plot to thwart the plans of God. This is a stretch but it reminded me of how Zoram said multiple times that Laban was out with the elders of the Jews.

ori wrote: ↑April 19th, 2019, 5:01 pm To put this in another context, let's ask the question of whether it is "homophobic" to declare homosexuality as sinful. Well, from one point of view, does it matter? Who cares if it's "homophobic"? What really matters is to speak the truth, regardless of how others will label your position.

This is a spot on.

According to Semites Jews, anything you say that they don't like is ant-Semitic Jewish.

Probably 90% of the people who today claim to be Jews, like say Stephen Spielberg, George Soros, Chuck Schumer and so on are not actually "Jews" in the biblical sense. They are not in anyway related to Christ or the actual Jews that lived in the Holy Land in the First Century A.D. Most of those who claim to be Jews today are Talmudic Jews by religion and Ashkenazi Jews by race. Ashkenazi Jews are decended from an early Medieval Kingdom that existed to the northeast of the Byzantine Empire (present day western Russia/Eastern Europe). This Kingdom was called the Khazar Kingdom and the people today are known to historians as Khazars. They were initially a pagan people that later adpoted a form of Judaism as a religion hundreds of years after the real Jews were driven out of Judea by the Romans. Its thought that they adpoted a form of Judaism as a religion because their royal leaders wanted a religion to provide a moral code to their people and they didn't want to pick Christianity which would align them with the Byzantines and the other European kingdoms nor did they pick Islam because that would algin them with the emerging Muslim Sultanates. Long store short is that most modern Jews are decended from this kingdom religiously and ethnically and they are not actual Jews like Jesus Christ. This is something I strongly believe. Here is a great and enlightening video that covers many topics but if you skip to 33:30 Mr. Freedman explains the Khazars and the origins of most Jews:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HhFRGDyX48c

[email protected] wrote: ↑April 19th, 2019, 5:55 pm Probably 90% of the people who today claim to be Jews, like say Stephen Spielberg, George Soros, Chuck Schumer and so on are not actually "Jews" in the biblical sense. They are not in anyway related to Christ or the actual Jews that lived in the Holy Land in the First Century A.D. Most of those who claim to be Jews today are Talmudic Jews by religion and Ashkenazi Jews by race. Ashkenazi Jews are decended from an early Medieval Kingdom that existed to the northeast of the Byzantine Empire (present day western Russia/Eastern Europe). This Kingdom was called the Khazar Kingdom and the people today are known to historians as Khazars. They were initially a pagan people that later adpoted a form of Judaism as a religion hundreds of years after the real Jews were driven out of Judea by the Romans. Its thought that they adpoted a form of Judaism as a religion because their royal leaders wanted a religion to provide a moral code to their people and they didn't want to pick Christianity which would align them with the Byzantines and the other European kingdoms nor did they pick Islam because that would algin them with the emerging Muslim Sultanates. Long store short is that most modern Jews are decended from this kingdom religiously and ethnically and they are not actual Jews like Jesus Christ. This is something I strongly believe. Here is a great and enlightening video that covers many topics but if you skip to 33:30 Mr. Freedman explains the Khazars and the origins of most Jews:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HhFRGDyX48c

This is a powerful 'meme' (culturally transmitted idea, theme, view) that has gained a lot of traction in recent years. It is false; and has been brought up and discussed several times on this forum.